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iceman32577
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Posted - 2010.07.14 22:37:00 -
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why is it that miners can not play the game but every one can kill us. we make the ships for eve. when will ccp give us are time to play the game. i log in and find out that miners r being hunted and ganked in eve. how can i make isk to buy stuff in game. i pay buy the year so all the time i speand docked up i lose isk. why can't the miners play the game to?
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Party Scout
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Posted - 2010.07.14 22:42:00 -
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Because it is part of the game? Next complain will be:
"why can people place orders for 0.01 less ISK than me? don't they see that if I do not sell my stuff I get no money?"
They do not need a reason to kill you, other than they can. You can mine in mission sites, mine in 0.0 away from everyone (if you have some zone control), mine in exploration sites, etc.
Anyway, they can attack you simply because they can. No real reason is needed, but 20b in prizes usually helps as well :)
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DuKackBoon
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Posted - 2010.07.14 22:43:00 -
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They can, easily, many of my friends mine for a living. You just don't have to get stupid, do some preparations, warp out when a brutix in a belt is heading your way, stuff like that.
Also miners are often gank targets because of juicy T2 mining lasers of faction shield boosters. And because they splode easily.
And even the ganks keep EVE's industry running.
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DrysonBennington
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Posted - 2010.07.14 22:56:00 -
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The reason why miners get ganked is because the gankers have no real skills at all and just want to add kills to their killboards. Ooh look at my kill board I have 100 Hulks this month. Yeah well myu kill board has 20 Domi's three t3's and a carrier.
I think before to long CCP is going to have to make armed mining barges so that the miners can defend theirself because like you said iceman if the miners do not mine and make ships then who is going to make them the pvp'ers?
I vote taht CCP creates a new t3 class of barges that are able to defend theirself to at least the level of a bc which will give the miners the ability to mine and shoot back at their attackers while making the attackers actually have to work for their kill.
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XXSketchxx
Gallente
Remote Soviet Industries
Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2010.07.14 23:48:00 -
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 Originally by: DrysonBennington
The reason why miners get ganked is because the gankers have no real skills at all and just want to add kills to their killboards. Ooh look at my kill board I have 100 Hulks this month. Yeah well myu kill board has 20 Domi's three t3's and a carrier.
Nice troll bro.
Miners get ganked to produce threads like this (in addition to local tears, hate mail, death threats, etc).
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Di Mulle
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Posted - 2010.07.15 00:53:00 -
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Originally by: iceman32577
why is it that miners can not play the game but every one can kill us. we make the ships for eve. when will ccp give us are time to play the game. i log in and find out that miners r being hunted and ganked in eve. how can i make isk to buy stuff in game. i pay buy the year so all the time i speand docked up i lose isk. why can't the miners play the game to?
Care to elaborate what exact feature or idea you are proposing or discussing, please ?
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Misanthra
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Posted - 2010.07.15 01:55:00 -
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Originally by: DrysonBennington
The reason why miners get ganked is because the gankers have no real skills at all and just want to add kills to their killboards. Ooh look at my kill board I have 100 Hulks this month. Yeah well myu kill board has 20 Domi's three t3's and a carrier.
Hulkageddon has some good prizes actually..more than just the km lol.
And t3 and carrier kills are nice....they fix isk efficiency very nice. Had a crap efficiency then in a busy weekend got on 6 cap mails. Very nice efficiency after that...but I digress.
But as mentioned, the t2 gear, the afk faction fit tank, fact attacker has a better than 50% chance of killing a afk'er or macro. Dead macro...good macro. Dead afk'er...good afk'er.
And yes I do mine. Basic t2 tank worth maybe 2 mil in t2 items cause I sit there the whole time. My grand strategy for dealing with rats....wrecks don't fire back. t2 combat drones very good at making those. NO faction boosters, extenders etc. Hard hitting drones.
My grand strategy for humans...do not warp to 0 on belts using the system premade bm's given by ccp. Take frig, hit belt, fly really fast to other side it...bm. get hulk....then I warp to 0 on my personal bookmarks. You warp in hulk to 0 on the ones ccp gives you when in a system, slide 5 km's over. Ganker warps in at 0 (warp to 0 is the some point for everyone give or take a km or 2)...you are still in tackle range. fly to other side and you have a good distance buffer to give a few more seconds of breathing room (mixed with aligning....you have a very decent chance of getting out...if you don't mine afk).
I don't get all cozy in groups. Ice field I visit when in the mood. 10 people bunched up like lemmings. Disco BS small fleets like this. Have seen this in said field I hit. I got away because.....I shifted my position well away from warp to 0 (recall above...do not use ccp system 0's) and got all antisocial mining in solitude. Disco's went for the lemmings, I went for a smoke break after I docked lol.
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Mavrk
Minmatar
TOP GUHN
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Posted - 2010.07.15 06:03:00 -
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Originally by: DrysonBennington
I think before to long CCP is going to have to make armed mining barges so that the miners can defend theirself because like you said iceman if the miners do not mine and make ships then who is going to make them the pvp'ers?
Originally by: DrysonBennington
...if the miners do not mine and make ships then who is going to make them the pvp'ers?
Originally by: DrysonBennington
...mine and make ships ... who is going to make them...?
The PVPer's Industry alts?
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iceman32577
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Posted - 2010.07.18 09:02:00 -
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all i am saying is miners need to be abale to stand there ground. but thay can't not even in high sec. can ccp give something to the miner that will give them a chanes to mine and fight. to make them work for it
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Jiix Zix
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2010.07.18 10:23:00 -
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Edited by: Jiix Zix on 18/07/2010 10:22:48
Originally by: iceman32577
Edited by: iceman32577 on 18/07/2010 09:07:47
all i am saying is miners need to be abale to stand there ground. but thay can't not even in high sec. can ccp give something to the miner that will give them a chanes to mine and fight. to make them work for it. and i am know that people can put oders in for 0.01 ISK i am not mad on that i just want to have a chans to save my ship or go down with a fight
You could try to fit a tank to your miner (to give some buffer against suicide gankers), although, if the corp has wardecced you, you shouldn't be out playing in a miner anyways.
Another options you could explore are that you buy hi-sec carrier and mine in it or mine in a battleship.
Also as noted above, Hulkageddon event time isn't the best time to mine anyways :)
-J
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ViolenTUK
Gallente
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.18 10:31:00 -
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Why are miners a target? Its fun. 
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Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2010.07.18 10:47:00 -
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You buddy boy picked the wrong ship to go down in a fight.
Here is the straight facts,
One/ A suicide ganker does not fight its one to two shots before the Concord jam. Its all alpha dmg no defence. Fighting back angainst a combat ship in a miner, you will lose, plus they will not have aggro so Concord.
Two/ Complete avoidences is not possible. PVP'ers fly 100. 200, 300mil ships that they lose too, a good ganker will have a covops bm your roid and the gankers ship scanners will tell them if they can kill you. Misanthra is right in the regard that she will have a good chance against getting ganked by the average ganker(she seems like the fly's what I CAN afford type), but it is eve there's risks. Also if you die move ten systems over to a quite place or it will happen again.
Three/ High Sec Miners are not that special. There are 0.0 miners, WH Miners and people who repo mission loot. If this isnt enough then the pvp'ers will mine if they have to.
Four/ Hulkageddon is big the same way McDonalds is, it is all advertisment there are a lot of other resturants. 20bil in prizes split between 50 winners is not the jackpot. The Banners and Foroums and Prizes make it look bigger then it is, Its a select few hundred in a universe of hundreds of thousand. Fly smart and you have good chances. If you cant afford to lose your boat whats it doin in space, coveters are cheap.
Five/ Why do Gankers do it. There's many reasons, Easy Kills, Fun, Watch you get angry and yell and scream cause you thought eve was PVE, and thats it, its a game what other reason is needed.(Some say sumthin bout macro's) No their not evil, theirs is a different career and they're dangerous to you, watch your back.
So no Mining will never win against PVP in a fight. High Sec is not Safe or PVE only, there is Ganks, Theft and War. And Finally the one rule eve players forget, you are neither special or more important then anyone else, so you will die always. Plan for Failure, hope for success, cause there's nuthin else you can do, so fly safe and make a profit. Good Luck to you Sir
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