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Vigilant Akira
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Posted - 2010.07.15 09:40:00 -
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from recent and famous minutes:
"It was mentioned by CCP that the data does not seem to support that polished quality sells better than new features."
in other words, they will not fix eve, because this doesn't pay money. They want to sell us a tractor instead*.
Well, i say, it's time to make a precedence.
I propose that everybody selects a reasonable list of features that need and can be fixed within a month. And then actually stop paying/pause your account for a month. After a month, or at least after a plausible statement by CCP that they are not trying to sell us ****, you may decide to reactivate the account (or not).
I urge the CSM to actually become customer's champion and organise the action. For example, by starting a dedicated web site.
*(see the recently censored article on http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1353466 )
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Vigilant Akira
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Posted - 2010.07.15 09:48:00 -
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i'll start my list here.
Large fleet battle lag. Simple one. Let me propose two solutions.
a) Simply redesign bombers to make them more powerfull, to deter people from grouping up. Actually, making the bombs work more according to the physics may do the job: just give them a very large range, with a falloff (damage reduced the further you are from the explosion centre).
b) Stop everything else and actually write a code that dynamically moves the system to a different node in-flight as demand grows. May not be easy, but come on. We are the customers here. It will be a good exercise in kernelisation for you, too.
Dear CCP. Large Fleet Battles is your main selling point, isn't it? it is for them i have decided to move to 0.0. And because of it (the lag) i have decided to go back to the empire. Clearly, you have failed your promise here.
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Nica Sofalot
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Posted - 2010.07.15 09:52:00 -
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Its a nice idea but it wont work as people think as individuals not as a group in the game.
expect a lot of trolling
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Lord Vigilant
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Posted - 2010.07.15 09:54:00 -
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Edited by: Lord Vigilant on 15/07/2010 09:54:59
 Originally by: Nica Sofalot
Its a nice idea but it wont work as people think as individuals not as a group in the game.
That's why we need the CSM to organise it. They can do it.
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Stick Cult
Unspoken Autonomy.
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Posted - 2010.07.15 09:56:00 -
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For my first perforance, I shal ridicule you on your first post!
You quitting and knowing you're coming back in a month means CCP is losing money, but only temparily. They know you're coming back, and so it's basicly fine. Also, there's not gonna be many [major] issues that can be solved in a month. THEN! The CSM is meant to be the link between the customers and CCP, bring forward ideas, concerns, suggestions, issues, etc. They are not a group of people meant to organize a boycott, and I doubt they would want to.
For my second performance, I shall ridicule your second post.
Making bombers overpowered will have one effect: bombers will be overpowered. Instead of seeing battleship fleets fighting in nullsec, you'll see bomber fleets! As for the dynamic moving of nodes, if that's even realistically possible, moving data about a few hundred players quickly, so that nothing is noticed by the players, to another node, is simply going to take a LONG time to implement and debug. For anyone, not just CCP. Instead they should be realiing wtf happened in Dominion that messed everything up.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford
my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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Spurty
Caldari
D00M.
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Posted - 2010.07.15 09:59:00 -
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I'm a fan of bombers doing massive damage to clusters of ships, but they need to be destroyer sized hulls. Signature *must* be removed from the equation. Damage from a bomb doesn't affect smaller people less than full sized people! Everyone gets 8k damage - resistance to that damage type.
frigate sized is too small a hull for the payload though.
Polish is good, should always be happening, should never be neglected. This is why people can find such big holes in the code as to 'sphere' their way through. Seems code is written then neglected. We know where that leaves your code!
None of what is written here will leave here though. Certainly wont be entertained as a days work by CCP.
NAPS: forcing you to play 'their' game |
Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express
The Spire Collective
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Posted - 2010.07.15 10:04:00 -
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In truth CCP is probably correct no matter how much folks don't like it. Truth is most of us are still playing with things broken for years.
However one has to take care in presenting such. For example complete rewrites like SOE did to SWG with the NGE are usually not successful.
The real question is what features to add to keep the player base going. That's always the hard one.
Thoughts expressed are mine and mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect my alliances thoughts.
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Wyke Mossari
Gallente
Staner Industries
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Posted - 2010.07.15 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: Vigilant Akira
From recent and famous minutes:
"CCP Nathan: the data does not seem to support that polished quality sells better than new features."
in other words, they will not fix eve, because this doesn't pay money. They want to sell us a tractor instead*.
I'm convinced CCP needs to perform a Boston Consulting group style product growth market share analysis on its product and potential products.
Eve, is a product that is growing in a growing market, that is a star product, and should receive the bulk of the businesses management attention and investment.
Instead Eve, is being treated as a cash cow, a dominant product in a declining marked to be milked for profit with limited investment.
Incarna is a Dog product, no share in a low growth market. Dust is a problem child no market share in a growth market.
This is the staple business management tool.
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ThisIsNotMyAlt
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Posted - 2010.07.15 12:02:00 -
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cpp is not gonna shift all their scrum teams and planning around now only because there is a little uproar from the players. this is not so easy as you all believe. you cant just tell half the developers to stop doing what they are doing and reasign them to bug fixing.
what ccp will do so is most propaply release a devblog in a few days about what their ongoing efforts in finding and fixing bugs are and that people are reading things into the csm minutes that never been meant that way.
ppl will calm down because they then feel like ccp cares for them again. |
My Postman
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Posted - 2010.07.15 12:17:00 -
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Ok, i¦ll bite.
Please CCP give my blasters some range or give my rails some damage. Or both.
And please, please, please rework the look of the Domi until it does¦nt look like some wired kind of razor.
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Jonny Miami
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.07.15 12:19:00 -
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Originally by: ThisIsNotMyAlt
ppl will calm down because they then feel like ccp cares for them again.
You are absolutely correct.
Everyone will get that nice warm feeling they get when everything is Golden.
Like a Shower.
Reality is that they care about new subs. New subs is where it's at and current subs is so today and you can't run a leading edge corporation by thinking about today (certainly not yesterday). Cutting edge companies, like ccp, are all about the future and the future is new subs.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that if you don't play eve, you're important to them and if you do play eve, you cease to matter.
Point is, this post is pointless.
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Ava Starfire
Minmatar
Nordanverdr Modr
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Posted - 2010.07.15 12:21:00 -
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CCP you have mentioned that, in the next 18 months, you will release Incarna, Dust, fix some issues, and perhaps even revisit losec.
That sounds like a whole lot of good to me.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2010.07.15 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: ThisIsNotMyAlt
cpp is not gonna shift all their scrum teams and planning around now only because there is a little uproar from the players. this is not so easy as you all believe. you cant just tell half the developers to stop doing what they are doing and reasign them to bug fixing.
what ccp will do so is most propaply release a devblog in a few days about what their ongoing efforts in finding and fixing bugs are and that people are reading things into the csm minutes that never been meant that way.
ppl will calm down because they then feel like ccp cares for them again.
They're not expected to move *ALL* their scrum teams around, only *ONE* to do some polishing on the existing game. What CCP will do is some PR-Speak, smoke and mirrors and hope no one notices how nothing of significance was done. Right now, they're using a forum alt army to give the illusion that there are avid players actually supporting their abysmal design strategy. These attempts at opinion manipulation are so obvious, it's a disgrace people even fall for them.
tl;dr Nothing will change unless CCP goes bankrupt and then it won't mater anyway anymore.
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All I want is a better management.
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ThisIsNotMyAlt
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Posted - 2010.07.15 12:27:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar
They're not expected to move *ALL* their scrum teams around, only *ONE* to do some polishing on the existing game.
they allready have that team. |
Abrazzar
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Posted - 2010.07.15 12:30:00 -
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Originally by: ThisIsNotMyAlt
Originally by: Abrazzar
They're not expected to move *ALL* their scrum teams around, only *ONE* to do some polishing on the existing game.
they allready have that team.
{{citation needed}}
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All I want is a better management.
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ThisIsNotMyAlt
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Posted - 2010.07.15 12:34:00 -
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Edited by: ThisIsNotMyAlt on 15/07/2010 12:36:24
Edited by: ThisIsNotMyAlt on 15/07/2010 12:34:32
Originally by: Abrazzar
Originally by: ThisIsNotMyAlt
Originally by: Abrazzar
They're not expected to move *ALL* their scrum teams around, only *ONE* to do some polishing on the existing game.
they allready have that team.
{{citation needed}}
read through this reply from ccp chronotis. its quite a good read and he states that allways around 20-30% of the resources are going towards fixing bugs.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1005679&line=821
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2010.07.15 12:41:00 -
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Originally by: ThisIsNotMyAlt
read through this reply from ccp chronotis. its quite a good read and he states that allways around 20-30% of the resources are going towards fixing bugs.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1005679&page=28#821
Strange how the CSM minutes say pretty much something else: "The CSM suggested a dedicated öpolish teamô to be established, with players being informed as to what they intend to work on during each expansion. CCP¦s answer to that is that there will be no polish patrol team for the next 2-3 expansions even though players feel there should be."
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All I want is a better management.
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ThisIsNotMyAlt
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Posted - 2010.07.15 12:48:00 -
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tbh i dont care if you suspect ccp devs to lie then. one can either believe them or not.
the minutes are re-authored at least a couple of times before they get released. they dont explain the csm "polish team" idea in detail. i can only suspect that what the csm envisioned that team to do or be to be different from the actual team in ccp that fixes bugs today. |
Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2010.07.15 12:50:00 -
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Originally by: ThisIsNotMyAlt
Originally by: Abrazzar
Originally by: ThisIsNotMyAlt
Originally by: Abrazzar
They're not expected to move *ALL* their scrum teams around, only *ONE* to do some polishing on the existing game.
they allready have that team.
{{citation needed}}
read through this reply from ccp chronotis. its quite a good read and he states that allways around 20-30% of the resources are going towards fixing bugs.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1005679&page=28#821
Fixing which bugs? The ones appearing in Incarna/Dust/PI?
What about the bugs/incomplete features persistent in EVE for years now?
If REALLY a quarter of the staff in iceland is fixing broken/incomplete/old content we should see *something*, no?
@ThisIsNotMyAlt, it's already, not allready and always, not allways.. use firefox with spellchecker (tip from one german to another german  )
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ThisIsNotMyAlt
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Posted - 2010.07.15 13:00:00 -
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Originally by: Tres Farmer
Fixing which bugs? The ones appearing in Incarna/Dust/PI?
What about the bugs/incomplete features persistent in EVE for years now?
If REALLY a quarter of the staff in iceland is fixing broken/incomplete/old content we should see *something*, no?
@ThisIsNotMyAlt, it's already, not allready and always, not allways.. use firefox with spellchecker (tip from one german to another german )
all kinds of bugs i suppose. ask ccp chronotis :) or read the past patch notes to get a general idea. as for the typos i dont really care tbh. its not like i am writing some serious legal document here where i am not allowed to do spelling mistakes. apparently people understand the meaning of the word no matter if i spell it allready,already or alreaddy :P |
Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2010.07.15 13:05:00 -
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Originally by: ThisIsNotMyAlt
tbh i dont care if you suspect ccp devs to lie then. one can either believe them or not.
the minutes are re-authored at least a couple of times before they get released. they dont explain the csm "polish team" idea in detail. i can only suspect that what the csm envisioned that team to do or be to be different from the actual team in ccp that fixes bugs today.
There is no actual team that fixes (old) bugs or polishes anything (from former expansions).
The only team that does this is the one working on the unfinished PI feature.
All other scrum teams are supposed to be working on Incarna/Interaction with Dust.
And they will do that by higher order until Incarna/Dust is here in 18months+ ..
Originally by: CSM minutes 25/6/2010, page 6
...CCP stated that once Incarna and Planetary Interaction/Dust 514 are fully implemented, focus will probably shift far more towards improvement of existing features.
It was mentioned by CCP that the data does not seem to support that polished quality sells better than new features....
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ThisIsNotMyAlt
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Posted - 2010.07.15 13:14:00 -
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Edited by: ThisIsNotMyAlt on 15/07/2010 13:17:03
Edited by: ThisIsNotMyAlt on 15/07/2010 13:14:42
Originally by: Tres Farmer
There is no actual team that fixes (old) bugs or polishes anything (from former expansions).
The only team that does this is the one working on the unfinished PI feature.
All other scrum teams are supposed to be working on Incarna/Interaction with Dust.
And they will do that by higher order until Incarna/Dust is here in 18months+ ...
this is what you read into the minutes. reading what ccp chronotis said paints a different picture for me. and reading the patch notes makes it apparant that they *do* fix old bugs. for example take a look at the tyranis patch notes:
Quote:
- The hitpoints of your ship will no longer briefly appear to be 0 when moving fittable items to or from your cargo hold.
- Tech 3 subsystems now give bonuses correctly when boarding from a ship maintenance array.
- The description of the Heretic now states the correct missile velocity bonus.
- Armor and structure hitpoints will no longer go negative.
- Fixed an issue where partial repairs appeared to be overcharging the player.
- Fixed incorrect lighting on back side of ZephyrÆs sails, which could cause them to appear black at times.
- Tournament ships no longer use redundant shaders. Fresnel shader on the alpha areas in all LOD levels of the two Tournament VII ships have been replaced with the correct Single.fx shader.
- The Apocalypse Imperial Issue did not have turret locators on its model, which indicate where turrets should be placed. This has now been fixed.
- The Dominix lacked turret and booster locators on its model, thus turrets and thruster animations were not visible. Locators have been added to fix these problems.
- No explosion was visible when blowing up a supercarrier. An explosion effect has been added.
- Freighters now have correct racial propulsion types.
- A RorqualÆs assembly lines can now draw from and produce to its own corporate hangars.
- The Drake and Hurricane now correctly state "per level" in the description of their bonuses.
- Ships utilizing the Ship Maintenance Bay will no longer be able to launch housed vessels while in warp.
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Vaneshi SnowCrash
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Posted - 2010.07.15 13:17:00 -
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It depends and I have a counter proposition. We don't do this but only and I mean ONLY if we get word from the grand high poobar himself that once Incarna & Dust are out the door they'll actually start fixing all the things that are either outright broken or just half assed implimented in EVE.
And I mean lag, FW, PvE (COSMOS springs to mind) and everything else.
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Jonny Miami
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.07.15 13:38:00 -
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Originally by: ThisIsMyDevAlt
stuff getting fixed
And yet I still wait for my last cosmos mission to work. You know, work. Not have the text fixed. Or a thruster glow the appropriate racial color. But actually be playable.
Well, OK. I lie. I stopped waiting.
It's been what, 4 years now? Over 4? 5? I forget. But since I'm sure you've been around since before the beginning, you can put the appropriate spin on this too.
Point is, this post is pointless.
Point is, this post is pointless. |
ThisIsNotMyAlt
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Posted - 2010.07.15 14:01:00 -
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Originally by: Jonny Miami
Originally by: ThisIsMyDevAlt
stuff getting fixed
And yet I still wait for my last cosmos mission to work. You know, work. Not have the text fixed. Or a thruster glow the appropriate racial color. But actually be playable.
Well, OK. I lie. I stopped waiting.
It's been what, 4 years now? Over 4? 5? I forget. But since I'm sure you've been around since before the beginning, you can put the appropriate spin on this too.
Point is, this post is pointless.
everyone is still waiting for his personal most annyoing bug to get fixed. and yes some of thoose have been around for years. this is not unusual for a project as complex as eve. are you suggesting ccp should fix the bugs in the chronological order of their first appearance ? |
War Kitten
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Posted - 2010.07.15 14:11:00 -
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Edited by: War Kitten on 15/07/2010 14:11:58
Originally by: Vigilant Akira
i'll start my list here.
Large fleet battle lag. Simple one. Let me propose two solutions.
a) Simply redesign bombers to make them more powerfull, to deter people from grouping up. Actually, making the bombs work more according to the physics may do the job: just give them a very large range, with a falloff (damage reduced the further you are from the explosion centre).
b) Stop everything else and actually write a code that dynamically moves the system to a different node in-flight as demand grows. May not be easy, but come on. We are the customers here. It will be a good exercise in kernelisation for you, too.
Dear CCP. Large Fleet Battles is your main selling point, isn't it? it is for them i have decided to move to 0.0. And because of it (the lag) i have decided to go back to the empire. Clearly, you have failed your promise here.
Umm, you picked as your top item something they ARE currently working on in addition to the new content. Granted, they're not dropping everything to work on lag and dynamic system swapping like you asked, but only because that would be ******ed.
But thanks for another crappy grass-roots boycott thread.
(And no, giant fleet blobs isn't Eve's main selling point, it is one of dozens of selling points - it just happens to be your favorite.)
"Here's your sign." - Bill Engvall |
Julius Rigel
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Posted - 2010.07.15 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: Vigilant Akira
they will not fix eve, because this doesn't pay money.
Is this a problem for you?
Oh, and, Charade of Stellar Magnitude forum is that way. -------->
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Benilopax
Gallente
United Space Union
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Posted - 2010.07.15 14:20:00 -
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If people are so angry why has noone gone to massively and other gaming sites and spread the word that CCP aren't going to improve their game for 18 months. This could embarrass CCP and put off new customers enough for them to rethink their strategy or at least clarify their remarks to CSM.
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JitaBum
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.07.15 14:30:00 -
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Yes why hasn't Massively picked this up, they're always pumping out Eve propaganda
I wonder if CCP asked them not to 
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2010.07.15 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: ThisIsNotMyAlt
Originally by: Tres Farmer
There is no actual team that fixes (old) bugs or polishes anything (from former expansions).
The only team that does this is the one working on the unfinished PI feature.
All other scrum teams are supposed to be working on Incarna/Interaction with Dust.
And they will do that by higher order until Incarna/Dust is here in 18months+ ...
this is what you read into the minutes. reading what ccp chronotis said paints a different picture for me. and reading the patch notes makes it apparant that they *do* fix old bugs. ..
I don't read this into the minutes. The minutes have been screened upfront by CCP and they state that CCP is aiming for quantity over quality and that they will focus on Incarna/Dust for the next 18+ months and have at most 1 scrum team working on 'polishing' PI.
Naturally there are some little loose code snippets fixed right and left on the way, as always and that's expected.. but that's not what this is about.
This is about being told by CCP that for the next 3(+?) expansions we won't see any polishing at all on stuff that's already in the game, but clearly suggested by the CSM which is being supported by the players.
Look, I'm a'll for Incarna and Dust.. hell, I would even go and buy a console just to experience Dust (that's how much CCP has hooked me up), but this doesn't change an inch on the wrong attitude of the leadership of CCP.
There was a speech in the GDR for this kind of thing: "Overtaking without Catching Up" when it was about being better than the competition, but without the means under the hood to achieve it.
Or another one: "Outside HUI, Inside PFUI" for stuff that looks good on the surface, but lacks quality if you get closer and gained some experience with it.
That's not excellence, that's just cheap mass production.
You can't say you have an excellent product/service, when the only thing there is left to give you some feedback right back into your headquarters, about how this just doesn't add up, they should screw them self for the next 2 years as you just don't care.
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Jonny Miami
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.07.15 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: ThisIsMyDevAlt
everyone is still waiting for his personal most annyoing bug to get fixed. and yes some of thoose have been around for years. this is not unusual for a project as complex as eve. are you suggesting ccp should fix the bugs in the chronological order of their first appearance ?
I'm not suggesting anything, because if I did then I would expect someone to actually listen to me.
But, if I had a delusional moment and actually thought that anything I might say would matter, then I might suggest that they don't abandon projects, that they have hyped to hell and back, within 3 months of release. Or I might suggest that they release a product that actually works. You know, works? Like actually playable? But that would be pretty delusional, wouldn't it.
Point is, this post is pointless. |
ThisIsNotMyAlt
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Posted - 2010.07.15 14:51:00 -
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Originally by: Jonny Miami
Originally by: ThisIsMyDevAlt
everyone is still waiting for his personal most annyoing bug to get fixed. and yes some of thoose have been around for years. this is not unusual for a project as complex as eve. are you suggesting ccp should fix the bugs in the chronological order of their first appearance ?
I'm not suggesting anything, because if I did then I would expect someone to actually listen to me.
But, if I had a delusional moment and actually thought that anything I might say would matter, then I might suggest that they don't abandon projects, that they have hyped to hell and back, within 3 months of release. Or I might suggest that they release a product that actually works. You know, works? Like actually playable? But that would be pretty delusional, wouldn't it.
your mad and your posts are driven by your anger. i dont have todo with that, and quite frankly i will got get myself pulled into it.
i made the point that people read the minutes as if ccp said they would not fix bugs anymore for 18 month. i then pointed towards the sources that tell me that this being wrongly perceived. the argument was then that cpp would only fix new bugs (PI-bugs etc..) and not old bugs, to which i provided a link to the patch notes in the wiki. theese and the other patch notes are a clear documentation that bugs of all ages are indeed being fixed.
this is about all i can and propably want to contribute to this topic. thoose that want to ignore theese things shall do so and continue in their holy rage against the devil that is ccp games
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Jonny Miami
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.07.15 15:23:00 -
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It's true. I'm in the second stage of grief.
Point is, this post is pointless. |
Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2010.07.15 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: ThisIsNotMyAlt
Originally by: Jonny Miami
Originally by: ThisIsMyDevAlt
everyone is still waiting for his personal most annyoing bug to get fixed. and yes some of thoose have been around for years. this is not unusual for a project as complex as eve. are you suggesting ccp should fix the bugs in the chronological order of their first appearance ?
I'm not suggesting anything, because if I did then I would expect someone to actually listen to me.
But, if I had a delusional moment and actually thought that anything I might say would matter, then I might suggest that they don't abandon projects, that they have hyped to hell and back, within 3 months of release. Or I might suggest that they release a product that actually works. You know, works? Like actually playable? But that would be pretty delusional, wouldn't it.
your mad and your posts are driven by your anger. i dont have todo with that, and quite frankly i will got get myself pulled into it.
i made the point that people read the minutes as if ccp said they would not fix bugs anymore for 18 month. i then pointed towards the sources that tell me that this being wrongly perceived. the argument was then that cpp would only fix new bugs (PI-bugs etc..) and not old bugs, to which i provided a link to the patch notes in the wiki. theese and the other patch notes are a clear documentation that bugs of all ages are indeed being fixed.
this is about all i can and propably want to contribute to this topic. thoose that want to ignore theese things shall do so and continue in their holy rage against the devil that is ccp games
your worried and your posts are driven by your need for a quiet forum. i have todo with that, and quite frankly im sorry for ccp to take such measures.
i made the point that the minutes say that ccp said they would not polish old content for the next 18+ months. i then pointed towards the sources that tell me that support this.
the argument was then that cpp would always fix new and old bugs (PI-bugs etc..) to which i agreed, as this is business as usual and considered minimum service - not excellent service. the assembly hall is a clear documentation that first hyped, then abandoned content of all ages indeed needs some polishing.
this is about all i can and probably want to contribute to this topic. those that want to ignore these things obviously shall do so and continue in their holy crusade against the devil that is players which rather want some more quality over quantity
..also, something is fishy here - somebody writing like you, 'born' on 9. july 2010, posting 25 posts per day for the last 2 days, with 3 posts helping newbies and the remaining 47 in clear, well informed opposition to the last CSM minutes? crowd control?
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ThisIsNotMyAlt
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Posted - 2010.07.15 15:42:00 -
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this thread is just exploding in stupidity. lol sorry. Also again: if you want to believe i am a cpp alt, you are free to do that. :D
i wonder when i will receive my paychecks tho :(
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Vigilant Akira
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Posted - 2010.07.15 18:44:00 -
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One thing about new features to notice is, that it's not the new features that bring in new subscribers. They are merely an excuse to launch a massive advertising campaign. Each time an expansion comes, I can see EVE banners everywhere on the web. It's these banners that draw new subscribers.
In fact, the very moment a new person signs up, he has no idea whatsoever about what that new feature actually is, an even less idea about what features were there before. All he sees is a semi-working tutorial (well, at least at my times, i heard it's fixed now, is it?). Anyone can argue with that?
How about a massive advertising campaign about the features that are already there? like deep story, cool weapon system (rails vs canons vs missles vs drones vs lasers . . . vs good strategy and tactic . . . . ) etc. i am sure you could write a book about it. Way enough for a number of ad campaigns.
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Wintron Auto
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.16 03:56:00 -
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Edited by: Wintron Auto on 16/07/2010 04:01:32
awww, been missing your paychecks lately?
Originally by: John Smedley, president of Sony Online Entertainment
We've learned a thing or two with our experiences with the NGE and don't plan on repeating mistakes from the past and not listening to the players.
have fun being unemployed when all your customers bail out on you for thinking you know better than us what we want (I quit SWG for good around that time, and haven't bought a sony product since)
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Vigilant Akira
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Posted - 2010.07.16 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: War Kitten
Edited by: War Kitten on 15/07/2010 14:11:58
(And no, giant fleet blobs isn't Eve's main selling point, it is one of dozens of selling points - it just happens to be your favorite.)
Oh well. They promised something, and it doesn't work. I don't care how many other things they have promised.
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