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dosperado	Posted - 2004.12.18 19:32:00 - [1] Edited by: dosperado on 18/12/2004 19:56:24 Edited by: dosperado on 18/12/2004 19:41:47 Edited by: dosperado on 18/12/2004 19:39:18 Edited by: dosperado on 18/12/2004 19:35:48 I just refused a Pirate Extravaganza lvl4 and I got 1,8998% standing decrease!!!! I dropped from 9.90 to 9.56 with Caldari Navy! WTF? This is way tooo much for one mission!! Before last patch it dropped 0.3041% and I refused a few of these missions and never got down to 9.6!! Fix that pls! It would take an insane amount of missions to get back to 9.90 again... ____________________ CEO Denial of Service NPC Mass Murderer \| Security Status 6.4
dosperado	Posted - 2004.12.18 19:32:00 - [2] Edited by: dosperado on 18/12/2004 19:56:24 Edited by: dosperado on 18/12/2004 19:41:47 Edited by: dosperado on 18/12/2004 19:39:18 Edited by: dosperado on 18/12/2004 19:35:48 I just refused a Pirate Extravaganza lvl4 and I got 1,8998% standing decrease!!!! I dropped from 9.90 to 9.56 with Caldari Navy! WTF? This is way tooo much for one mission!! Before last patch it dropped 0.3041% and I refused a few of these missions and never got down to 9.6!! Fix that pls! It would take an insane amount of missions to get back to 9.90 again... ____________________ CEO Denial of Service NPC Mass Murderer \| Security Status 6.4
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2004.12.18 19:36:00 - [3] The standing loss varies per mission. That mission has a very high reward and thus a very high loss if you fail/decline it. Though .4 standing is quite a damn lot --------------------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2004.12.18 19:36:00 - [4] The standing loss varies per mission. That mission has a very high reward and thus a very high loss if you fail/decline it. Though .4 standing is quite a damn lot --------------------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
dosperado	Posted - 2004.12.18 19:38:00 - [5] Reward was not that much... And they removed that 11th Tier Overseer (worth 6.3m isk) at the entrance to the 5th gate!!! Now there is a Silo which is named Pirate_Extravaganza-lvl3_Silo or similar...drops only worthless things...fix that too..it's not a lvl3 mission! ____________________ CEO Denial of Service NPC Mass Murderer \| Security Status 6.4
dosperado	Posted - 2004.12.18 19:38:00 - [6] Reward was not that much... And they removed that 11th Tier Overseer (worth 6.3m isk) at the entrance to the 5th gate!!! Now there is a Silo which is named Pirate_Extravaganza-lvl3_Silo or similar...drops only worthless things...fix that too..it's not a lvl3 mission! ____________________ CEO Denial of Service NPC Mass Murderer \| Security Status 6.4
JoeSomebody	Posted - 2004.12.18 19:45:00 - [7] yeah, mission rewards skyrocketed, so did penalties.... see nothing wrong with that... ____ When flying by Concord Customs Commander's Dominix I distinctly heard him saying "... world domination..."
JoeSomebody	Posted - 2004.12.18 19:45:00 - [8] yeah, mission rewards skyrocketed, so did penalties.... see nothing wrong with that... ____ When flying by Concord Customs Commander's Dominix I distinctly heard him saying "... world domination..."
Faster ThanJesus	Posted - 2004.12.18 19:50:00 - [9] Originally by: JoeSomebody yeah, mission rewards skyrocketed, so did penalties.... see nothing wrong with that... the rise and fall are both too high
Faster ThanJesus	Posted - 2004.12.18 19:50:00 - [10] Originally by: JoeSomebody yeah, mission rewards skyrocketed, so did penalties.... see nothing wrong with that... the rise and fall are both too high
dosperado	Posted - 2004.12.18 20:10:00 - [11] And you really cant speak of balancing if you decline one mission and need 300+ to get up to the standing you had before. ____________________ CEO Denial of Service NPC Mass Murderer \| Security Status 6.4
dosperado	Posted - 2004.12.18 20:10:00 - [12] And you really cant speak of balancing if you decline one mission and need 300+ to get up to the standing you had before. ____________________ CEO Denial of Service NPC Mass Murderer \| Security Status 6.4
Bernard Normal	Posted - 2004.12.18 20:16:00 - [13] Surely a harder mission with a higher standing gain should have a lower standing loss if declined? And vice versa, of course. The punishment for turning down a hard mission should be less than for turning down an easy mission. It's human nature. Just checked my logs and I lost -1.7691% on the Pirate Extravaganza I turned down 15 minutes ago. That really is too much for a mission that a lot of people will turn down due to time considerations alone.
Bernard Normal	Posted - 2004.12.18 20:16:00 - [14] Surely a harder mission with a higher standing gain should have a lower standing loss if declined? And vice versa, of course. The punishment for turning down a hard mission should be less than for turning down an easy mission. It's human nature. Just checked my logs and I lost -1.7691% on the Pirate Extravaganza I turned down 15 minutes ago. That really is too much for a mission that a lot of people will turn down due to time considerations alone.
Faster ThanJesus	Posted - 2004.12.18 20:21:00 - [15] Originally by: Bernard Normal Surely a harder mission with a higher standing gain should have a lower standing loss if declined? And vice versa, of course. The punishment for turning down a hard mission should be less than for turning down an easy mission. It's human nature. A good idea, one I've thought myself. Would be nice if they add it.
Faster ThanJesus	Posted - 2004.12.18 20:21:00 - [16] Originally by: Bernard Normal Surely a harder mission with a higher standing gain should have a lower standing loss if declined? And vice versa, of course. The punishment for turning down a hard mission should be less than for turning down an easy mission. It's human nature. A good idea, one I've thought myself. Would be nice if they add it.
Aitrus	Posted - 2004.12.18 22:33:00 - [17] Keep in mind, the higher your standing the more a negative adjustment hurts you. If you were at 5.0 you'd see half as much loss.
Aitrus	Posted - 2004.12.18 22:33:00 - [18] Keep in mind, the higher your standing the more a negative adjustment hurts you. If you were at 5.0 you'd see half as much loss.
drunkenmaster	Posted - 2004.12.18 23:08:00 - [19] Originally by: dosperado Reward was not that much... And they removed that 11th Tier Overseer (worth 6.3m isk) at the entrance to the 5th gate!!! Now there is a Silo which is named Pirate_Extravaganza-lvl3_Silo or similar...drops only worthless things...fix that too..it's not a lvl3 mission! Every time I've taken out the silo, I've gotten an implant out of it (various slot 6-10 implants) and the first one, I got a domination 10Mn AB. mmmmmmm. And that was the lvl 3 version. .
drunkenmaster	Posted - 2004.12.18 23:08:00 - [20] Originally by: dosperado Reward was not that much... And they removed that 11th Tier Overseer (worth 6.3m isk) at the entrance to the 5th gate!!! Now there is a Silo which is named Pirate_Extravaganza-lvl3_Silo or similar...drops only worthless things...fix that too..it's not a lvl3 mission! Every time I've taken out the silo, I've gotten an implant out of it (various slot 6-10 implants) and the first one, I got a domination 10Mn AB. mmmmmmm. And that was the lvl 3 version. .
Faster ThanJesus	Posted - 2004.12.18 23:57:00 - [21] Originally by: drunkenmaster Every time I've taken out the silo, I've gotten an implant out of it (various slot 6-10 implants) and the first one, I got a domination 10Mn AB. mmmmmmm. And that was the lvl 3 version. Aren't you doing them in 00 though? I thought the drops weren't as nerfed in 00 as empire... although it could just be totally random like seemingly everything else...
Faster ThanJesus	Posted - 2004.12.18 23:57:00 - [22] Originally by: drunkenmaster Every time I've taken out the silo, I've gotten an implant out of it (various slot 6-10 implants) and the first one, I got a domination 10Mn AB. mmmmmmm. And that was the lvl 3 version. Aren't you doing them in 00 though? I thought the drops weren't as nerfed in 00 as empire... although it could just be totally random like seemingly everything else...
drunkenmaster	Posted - 2004.12.19 00:02:00 - [23] No, this was empire. I'm putting it mostly down to luck for now. .
drunkenmaster	Posted - 2004.12.19 00:02:00 - [24] No, this was empire. I'm putting it mostly down to luck for now. .
Kalfu	Posted - 2004.12.19 01:57:00 - [25] Originally by: Aitrus Keep in mind, the higher your standing the more a negative adjustment hurts you. If you were at 5.0 you'd see half as much loss. Pedant mode on: If he was at 0 he'd have lost about half as much. A gain/loss of X % really means move X% closer to +10/-10
Kalfu	Posted - 2004.12.19 01:57:00 - [26] Originally by: Aitrus Keep in mind, the higher your standing the more a negative adjustment hurts you. If you were at 5.0 you'd see half as much loss. Pedant mode on: If he was at 0 he'd have lost about half as much. A gain/loss of X % really means move X% closer to +10/-10
Aitrus	Posted - 2004.12.19 02:22:00 - [27] Originally by: Kalfu Originally by: Aitrus Keep in mind, the higher your standing the more a negative adjustment hurts you. If you were at 5.0 you'd see half as much loss. Pedant mode on: If he was at 0 he'd have lost about half as much. A gain/loss of X % really means move X% closer to +10/-10 You are correct. I posted in haste and botched my mental math.
Aitrus	Posted - 2004.12.19 02:22:00 - [28] Originally by: Kalfu Originally by: Aitrus Keep in mind, the higher your standing the more a negative adjustment hurts you. If you were at 5.0 you'd see half as much loss. Pedant mode on: If he was at 0 he'd have lost about half as much. A gain/loss of X % really means move X% closer to +10/-10 You are correct. I posted in haste and botched my mental math.
Haldon	Posted - 2004.12.19 03:25:00 - [29] Well I just declined a LV 3 mission. It was one that required me to do 5 level of a complex (I guess thats what it was). Anyway I got the smack down at about level 3 (ok 2). Seeing as I couldn't complete the mission I quit it. My standing dropped .27. I almost hate to ***** about it so as not to nerf the fun of others, but if I'd known about how much I'd drop I would have brought my main in to take it out Was a surprise for sure, and the first such mission I've recieved from a LV3. In a way it was cool, but given that the decrease was as much as I would have recieved (in increase) from an important mission, I would have liked to have known about it.
Haldon	Posted - 2004.12.19 03:25:00 - [30] Well I just declined a LV 3 mission. It was one that required me to do 5 level of a complex (I guess thats what it was). Anyway I got the smack down at about level 3 (ok 2). Seeing as I couldn't complete the mission I quit it. My standing dropped .27. I almost hate to ***** about it so as not to nerf the fun of others, but if I'd known about how much I'd drop I would have brought my main in to take it out Was a surprise for sure, and the first such mission I've recieved from a LV3. In a way it was cool, but given that the decrease was as much as I would have recieved (in increase) from an important mission, I would have liked to have known about it.

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