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Jason1138
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Posted - 2010.07.17 23:24:00 -
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"It helps us a lot when players participate in the mass-tests on SiSi."
why not make it less awkward for people to set up SiSi then?
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Jason1138
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Posted - 2010.07.18 00:03:00 -
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"That process is fairly straightforward, copy the TQ build into a new folder and patch. How would you like it to be improved?"
yes, i know how to do it, i'm on Sisi. but i don't think it would be THAT hard to just make a separate installer for it and let people DL it from the eveonline.com page
the main thing i always hear from people here about sisi is that its too hard or too cumbersome to set it up. so i think you would get ALOT more participation if you made it easier, even if tech savvy people here or at CCP think its not that hard as-is the whole "change this, patch this" thing is kind of daunting for people who aren't that computer literate
it would REALLY REALLY help if you could just select Sisi or TQ from the client log on screen the same way you select which account you want to log in for, but if that's not possible for technical reasons then at least a downloader from the main page
btw, while downloading this last patch for TQ i had an error and the repair tool erased all of my saved settings here on TQ while fixing it, including all of my ship fits, and also changed my Sisi folder back to a TQ folder. so if that's a known issue that's not helping your Sisi participation either.
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Jason1138
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Posted - 2010.07.18 00:10:00 -
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"This is not a contradiction. Overall, in general, the server is in the best state it has ever been in from a tech viewpoint."
the whole point that CCP never seems to get is that from a player viewpoint its worse than ever. I get that on your end you're pleased with it and that's why nothing is being done, i think pretty much everyone on these forums gets that. How it can be better from a technical point of view but the worst its been in a year from a user point of view is something that should be getting more consideration since apparently 20 socket closed errors an hour is seen as an ok state of affairs "from a tech viewpoint"
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Jason1138
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Posted - 2010.07.18 01:28:00 -
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"I'd propose a simple tool in the eve folder that copies itself and the whole client to a second folder, then evokes the new eve with the /server:87.237.38.50 parameter and creates a shortcut for sisi where the user wants it."
that's an excellent idea
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Jason1138
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Posted - 2010.07.18 13:08:00 -
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i think it would go a long way if CCP would just fix some part of the old content, any part, to show they still give a flying crap about eve
it wouldn't take someone 20 min to fix rockets, why can't they just do that? it gets brought up 10 times a day on the forums
then they can say "see, we ARE listening to you, don't worry about Incarna taking all our time" and alot of (stupid) people will calm down about it. The fact that they're not even willing to do a token goodwill gesture is more worrying than alot of the other serious issues, because it goes to show their state of mind on relations with their customers
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Jason1138
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Posted - 2010.07.18 17:12:00 -
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its astonishing to me that people seriously think it would take a team of mega geniuses months to fix rockets and that's why it hasn't been done
1 guy could do it in 20 min. seriously. change the damage number and the explosion velocity number. fixed. its a very very simple thing that would take no time or money to speak of and people on the forums complain about it literally every day and CCP won't fix it
its unreal, and gives the lie more clearly than almost anything else does to what they're saying about listening to the players or caring about player issues
if you think shield tanking is out of balance or something then obviously that would take awhile and alot of testing to correct but rockets could be fixed TODAY if CCP gave a **** and they won't be because CCP doesn't
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Jason1138
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Posted - 2010.07.18 20:30:00 -
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hard to argue with Phoenus's last statement there
i do not really like the idea of hanging out here for the next 18 months waiting for already 2 or 3 year old issues to be fixed. i don't know why anyone would
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Jason1138
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Posted - 2010.07.18 22:30:00 -
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"I'd imagine they try and keep everything as close as possible so that their testing is as close to the real thing as possible. It'd be madness to do anything other than that."
lol
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Jason1138
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Posted - 2010.07.19 00:29:00 -
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is there a reason that no dev can come on here and address anything at all other than purely technical and non-relevant questions like what color the server room is?
not that i don't appreciate explorer's input, because i do, but it certainly seems that he is picking and choosing which topics to address and that every other dev is avoiding this thread like the plague
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Jason1138
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Posted - 2010.07.19 13:56:00 -
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if they would just at least fix rockets we could pretend that maybe they care a little
that one is so easy to fix its just a slap in the face that it hasn't been done really
even if it was fixed and ended up not quite right at least you could tell yourself they're trying
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Jason1138
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Posted - 2010.07.19 15:54:00 -
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"What I'm trying to point out is that not all players criticize CP for their management decisions, it's a rather vocal minority on the forum."
these forums are dead precisely because of CCP apathy towards player issues. The people posting here are the vocal minority but they DO represent the larger player base's opinions on most of these issues
for instance NO ONE that i have talked to on TQ or Sisi has any faith at all that CCP is on the right track regarding lag or that they will actually meet their published deadline on anything, not patches, not expansions, not DT, not anything
this isn't a case of forum folk being negative while really the game is peachy keen. its a case of 99% of the players realizing that nothing they say or do will matter to CCP so they don't bother posting
exactly the same case with CCP's bizarre 'our feedback on petitions looks great so there's no problem!' thing. it looks great cause no one bothers anymore
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Jason1138
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Posted - 2010.07.19 16:24:00 -
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"I don't know what country your from but in 2010 more then 75% of the Dutch (which are allowed to vote, 18+ citizen) showed up to vote for their government, and that was considered low, in 2006 it was more then 80% (I believe average)."
i bet you're leaving out the legions of Dutch nationals who are fleeing Holland for other countries because they don't like the direction the country is headed
the comparison is more apt to eve if you throw that bit in there
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Jason1138
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Posted - 2010.07.19 16:34:00 -
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"If indeed 99% of the posters don't care or trust the folks behind EVE, I would have expected a steady decline of subscriptions."
and what evidence do you have that there is not a decline in the number of subscriptions?
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Jason1138
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Posted - 2010.07.19 16:48:00 -
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"Do you know something I don't, don't know of 'legions' of Dutch leaving the country? Is this a not so veiled attempt at Trolling? I don't know, your not doing it very well ;-)"
if you don't know enough about The Netherlands to know that 1) their high voter turnout might be linked to the fact that in years gone by voting was compulsory there, and 2) that there is a huge exodus of native dutch from that country then, yes, i do know quite a bit more about it than you do I guess
if you can figure out how to type "dutch exodus" into google you could educate yourself, assuming that you actually don't know what i mean, which i find hard to believe
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Jason1138
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Posted - 2010.07.19 17:49:00 -
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"I asked straight out in the Summit during one particularly frustrating moment, "You can't commit to doing even one single small fix out of all of the issues we've submitted? As a show of goodwill, to demonstrate that CSM can make a difference and to aid in our credibility in that regard?"
The answer was no. Said with nods of sympathy and understanding at our frustration, but still no."
that says it all right there. I'm paid up for the next 3 months or I would be gone already. CCP has that long to earn my business back, I guess
"I actually didn't know about the 'dutch exodus' and my google search did find a couple of... How shall I say... Slanted articles, the kind of articles that profit certain extremist factions within the Netherlands. Look at the statistics of the CBS."
check wikipedia if you don't like google. its a real phenomena and in 2005 half of the people leaving the netherlands were native dutch, not just immigrants returning home. I agree its off topic for this thread but its entirely relevant to the argument you were making
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Jason1138
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Posted - 2010.07.19 23:28:00 -
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"Tell me specifically why you're quitting Eve? What you're paying for today is Eve ... today - not Eve next week or next year."
my answer on this: every expansion since Apocrypha has made the game run worse, in my experience. Every expansion since then has added content that I did not give 2 ****s about, and added almost nothing that I did care about. The direction of this game lately has been to advance pvp over pve and to advance null sec over high, imo. that's fine but its not content that i particularly want
the bugs in content i DO care about, like FW and rockets, are never going to be addressed. Eve "today" is broken and has been for awhile and i had been paying for a broken product thinking that it would be fixed at some point. I sat here for 2 months waiting for the epic arcs to be fixed, paying all the while. that was not something missing from Eve "today" when i subscribed to begin with. Content goes on and offline over and over and its a total crapshoot as to whether or not you're going to be able to play eve "today" on any given today. clearly no one at CCP cares about that
its been made clear to me now that not only will it not be fixed but that its in the middle of a transformation that will take it from a game i wanted to play to a game that i dont' want to play. So why continue to throw good money after bad? I can play some other space ship game and have a good time instead of feeling abused and frustrated here
that, and it leaves a bad taste in my mouth to give my money to people that enjoy jerking me around. I have never had a positive experience here with a petition or a GM. I have never had a positive experience here with a bug being resolved in a timely manner. The customer service here is a joke and I believe that is a direct result of the hostile and contemptuous attitude that CCP has towards its current subscriber base
I have a few months of game time already purchased and a few billion in isk. i'll play til that runs out because apparently its against the TOS to sell it. once that's gone i'll move on to a company that can at least pretend to be interested in maintaining a decent gaming experience for its customers
read this thread and the way the devs are deliberately ignore customer questions, including CSM questions, and talking past people while pretending to answer questions. How they can't post for 20 pages but if anyone says "oh btw how many desks are there in CCP's main office" a dev is here 10 minutes later with that answer, and ONLY that answer.
its shameful, seriously. You guys at CCP should be ashamed of yourselves. If you were really proud of the direction you were taking this game and your company in you would be able to stand up here and give a straight answer to a straight question because you would believe that you were right in what you were doing. All this lying and slinking around and hiding from questions just shows that you know as well as we do that what you're doing and how you're doing it are something not to be proud of
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Jason1138
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Posted - 2010.07.20 03:08:00 -
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"I deeply care about everything that's been abandoned"
except rockets?
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Jason1138
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Posted - 2010.07.20 11:43:00 -
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"No one has said rockets won't get fixed for two years. Incarna is on its way, that doesn't mean we'll stop developing flying in space; we're still iterating on planetary interaction, we're still making PVE content and we're going to bring you Invasion. Rockets are part of the flying in space experience and as long as we're developing that, you could get the rocket change."
no one has said we WILL get a rocket change in the next two years either. even though every 5th person on this thread is asking for one, the best we can get is "PI. Incarna. what were we talking about? oh yeah. well, life is full of possibilities. who can say?"
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Jason1138
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Posted - 2010.07.20 12:04:00 -
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"I asked straight out in the Summit during one particularly frustrating moment, "You can't commit to doing even one single small fix out of all of the issues we've submitted? As a show of goodwill, to demonstrate that CSM can make a difference and to aid in our credibility in that regard?"
The answer was no."
there's a hint jack
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Jason1138
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Posted - 2010.07.20 13:21:00 -
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Edited by: Jason1138 on 20/07/2010 13:22:14 oh good, a meeting
because the CSM meetings accomplished so much
i think what we actually need is for something to happen. a fix, any kind of fix, to happen. a change in attitude, to happen. not more talking or more BS about the mode of holistic collaboration that will move us forward or any of that
some action
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Jason1138
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Posted - 2010.07.20 13:26:00 -
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i 2nd that idea
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Jason1138
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Posted - 2010.07.20 14:04:00 -
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"and probably the ability to walk around your own ship's quarters."
the dev's already said "no walking in ships" on a different thread, at least for the time being
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Jason1138
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Posted - 2010.07.20 15:47:00 -
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"The more I read this thread and the evasive responses from CCP who are not listening to their customer base, the more inclined I am to simply cancel all my accounts. Am I alone here?"
not at all. i canceled mine yesterday
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Jason1138
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Posted - 2010.07.20 19:22:00 -
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"We have my team making a new feature and a team iterating on PI and a team iterating on EVEgate. Could one of those teams have iterated on faction warfare? Certainly, but then you could have a crowd here justifiably questioning why we don't iterate on planetary interaction or EVEgate."
the part of that quote where he says Evegate was deemed more important than FW and that if we hadn't gotten "all this work" on evegate we'd be up in arms is so ludicrous its hard to believe that he's being serious
but i'm afraid that he is. none of these guys still play this game, there is no way
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Jason1138
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Posted - 2010.07.20 19:36:00 -
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"Web developers generally don't make awesome programmers and "level" designers. I'd rather have a team of web designers working on web design than ****ing things up because they're tasked with fixing something they literally do not have an aptitude for.
-Liang"
1) as has already been stated on this thread more than once, web developers don't work for free. if it was a choice between having them do the work on one thing or the other then obviously you'd have them work on what they're best at. which, looking at eve gate, is not designing anything like eve gate
but in fact, one would think the choice is between spending the money to have a team of those guys do eve gate, or spending the money to have a team of different guys do FW or something. so there's that
2) and then there's this:
" We have my team making a new feature and a team iterating on PI and a team iterating on EVEgate. Could one of those teams have iterated on faction warfare? Certainly, but then you could have a crowd here justifiably questioning why we don't iterate on planetary interaction or EVEgate."
So Soundwave said that the choice was between those exact same guys working on PI or evegate or having one of them do FW, which they could have done. His words. but the only down side to that would have been not getting PI or eve gate, according to him. No mention of the team in question being incapable of fixing FW as a justification
so if you don't think they're qualified to fix FW, apparently you know more about his team then he does, is all i can say, because he thinks they could have if evegate and PI weren't so obviously more important
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Jason1138
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Posted - 2010.07.20 19:41:00 -
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"it was the best of times, it was the... "blurst" of times?? You stupid monkey!!"
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Jason1138
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Posted - 2010.07.20 19:56:00 -
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"Not Shakespeare."
no kidding? it was actually a reference to a simpsons episode where mr burns has 1000 monkeys on 1000 type writers trying to replicate war and peace and they keep ****ing it up
see, its relevant because its about monkeys, not because its about shakespeare
"I would personally be WHAT THE **** RAGING if they weren't going to iterate over PI. My POS costs are determined by PI and PI is currently a pile of **** and a bajillion clickfest. POS costs are skyrocketing because PI sucks the big one."
if they hadn't ever started PI to begin with, or had implemented it in a way that wasn't a total disaster, then no one would care. I wasn't saying that that if they just stopped it cold today that no one would care, i was referring back to man hours prior to the last expansion and what they could/should have been spent on
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Jason1138
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Posted - 2010.07.20 23:49:00 -
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"Just move on and fly something else and use missiles."
take a look at the amarr AF's and tell me which i'm supposed to fly?
the whole reason people ***** about rockets so much, other than the fact that they'd be simple to fix, is that if you fly caldari or amarr the lack of rockets takes out about half of your T1 and T2 frig choices, as well as the worm, for viable pvp
sure if you're minnie or gallente then who gives a ****, but the amarr literally do not have an AF to fly at all, the caldari only have 1, etc. its just ridiculous. a rocket fix would restore like 8 or 9 frigs to the ranks of things you actually see undocked. its a huge amount of content blocked off by one stupid little thing
unless your response to all autocannons being broken would be "who cares, fly something else then". if that's how you see the world then carry on
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Jason1138
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Posted - 2010.07.21 16:21:00 -
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"Even if CCP fixed every little bug and balance issue, the total number of players that come back is much smaller than the potential *new* customers.
You make the assumption that all players who left did so because of server issues, bugs, or balance problems. When in fact most people don't play this game because it's a grind and takes months to become specialized, or the game just wasn't what they expected and didn't have the features they wanted."
as you said, most customers, including these "potential new customers" you're going on about, will leave when they realize the game is no fun til your 4th month or because the game wasn't what they expected
so i would offer that CCP already has a good percentage of the number of people who would be willing to pay to play Eve for years in the game, as of now
you're not gonna get some flood of school children signing up for 3 years because of Incarna. its stable loyal customers vs transient customers in larger numbers. i'm not sure they make more money with the transients, given the length of the free trials here
if you had to play to even get started i could see where it would make financial sense to trick people into an unplayable game with shiny but non functional features, just to get the constant roll over of first month's sub fees
but as it is, these new people will log on for free, hear from the bitter vets how fail it is, and leave. more often than not, i bet. i know i wouldn't be here now if someone had told me when i first logged in that CCP had no intention of working on the game at all for 2 years
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Jason1138
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Posted - 2010.07.22 11:55:00 -
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"Your wasting breath guys. CCP won't respond to this thread anymore. "
"Hello"
wow, awesome response there
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Jason1138
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Posted - 2010.07.22 17:37:00 -
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"They are not getting shoved into other projects and whatever else people here are screaming."
this is only true if you count Incarna as Eve. IF you think incarna = eve then there is no problem with anything, as everyone at CCP has been saying this whole time
it seems very strange to me that pulling people off the "real" eve to work on incarna isn't seen as taking people from eve to work on other projects by the CCP people who post variations of this over and over again. the dev blog in question here says people are on loan to incarna. looking at past CCP dev number "over 300 people worked on apocrypha" or whatever vs the number of devs outlined in this blog makes it clear that there are fewer people working on eve now than there were before
its like everyone arguing over what color the sky is while people are trying to solve an actual problem like world hunger for example. why are we debating about whether or not resources are being pulled off eve? everyone knows they are, ccp admits they are. its a settled subject
"i don't know where you guys get this crazy stuff" at the start of a recap of something that's in the CCP approved minutes or on a CCP devblog comment thread is just totally surreal. scroll up, that's where we get it
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Jason1138
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Posted - 2010.07.23 13:20:00 -
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"I just want to say thank you for your post Apropos."
x2
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