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EdFromHumanResources Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.07.17 01:17:00 - [1] Edited by: EdFromHumanResources on 17/07/2010 01:17:19 Ok Explorer, explain to us why the ** Incarna is important enough to have 3x the devs of Eve proper? Beyond the fact you're using it as a tech demo for WoD. What out of station ramifications will it have? Will it be more than a 3D chat room where we can show off our pretty ? If not why the ** are you developing so much power to it? There are over a 100 issues the CSM has voted yes to do that CCP is basically saying "No we would prefer a chat room with pretty avatars"
EdFromHumanResources Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.07.17 02:43:00 - [2] Edited by: EdFromHumanResources on 17/07/2010 02:44:00 Originally by: Apollo Gabriel Edited by: Apollo Gabriel on 17/07/2010 02:33:59 Well that was unintended quoting... the irony Originally by: d4shing Originally by: Apollo Gabriel This post is intended as humour: If CCP ran Toyota: The Hybrids seem to have a problem with unintended Acceleration, we are looking into it and will get back to you in 12-18 months. In the mean time we are making the Hybrid interface with your cell phone easier, and are working on ways for your passengers to watch their own movies in each seat! Also, you can buy and install your own cup holders and add stickers to the dashboard. Don't forget: According to our own internal measurements, the steering and acceleration responsiveness is better than ever! But, we do acknowledge that many drivers are complaining about the unintended acceleration. We have hired a Ph.D. from MIT with a playa hatin DEGREE to get to the bottom of this while 90 engineers design a custom font for the dashboard display. I think everyone needs to BACK off the PhD crap. Zulu was trying to share genuine enthusiasm about the game and members of his team, unless you have a PhD or similar from a school as good or better, lay off the cracks about it. Despite my (intended) humour post, I think CCP will fix the problems and are likely working on many of them now. The problem is transparency, or rather a lack of it. I commend Zulu for the post here, thank you! I comment Explorer for his posting here, and I want to thank your girlfriend for sharing you with us. Best, Apollo PS Incase anyone is reading this comment and is about to reply and tell CCP how MAD YOU ARE!!! take a deep breath, imagine you were CCP Zulu or Explorer and were reading these posts. We want CCP to interact with us, I believe they deserve our respect when we do so. No.
EdFromHumanResources Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.07.17 03:21:00 - [3] Basically if Incarna or Dust does not interest us we should take a break from Eve till 2012
EdFromHumanResources Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.07.17 07:32:00 - [4] Originally by: Abe SE @CCP You're doing good work as always! @whining emo-rage-quitters, Can I has ur stuff now that you're all emo-rage-quitting? Hi person who uses maybe a fraction of what Eve has to offer and so does not understand the problem here. Either that or you're simply too ignorant. ^_^
EdFromHumanResources Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.07.17 08:05:00 - [5] Originally by: Cromo Effect Originally by: Schani Kratnorr I dont know which was more sad. Seeing yet another butt hurt SC guy complaining about being blobbed is actually more sad. No one cares that you have been playing since week one. The game has evolved a lot since then and you expect the rest of the players to keep playing in your Neanderthal play style, sorry, not gonna happen. Yes there is a couple of small things that need to be tweaked here and there but the current game situation is fine. I for one am glad CCP are heavily focused on Incarna instead of wasting time on fixing things that are not broke. You were not complaining when BoB dominated 0.0 but oh ho ho ho now, now you have beef with how 0.0 is. Learn to play the game and adapt and then maybe you will be a part of something relevant again. Actually as someone who fought on the NC's side and won I still have to say the state of 0.0 is ****. This new sov system blows ass.
EdFromHumanResources Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.07.17 08:28:00 - [6] Originally by: Cromo Effect Originally by: EdFromHumanResources Originally by: Cromo Effect Originally by: Schani Kratnorr I dont know which was more sad. Seeing yet another butt hurt SC guy complaining about being blobbed is actually more sad. No one cares that you have been playing since week one. The game has evolved a lot since then and you expect the rest of the players to keep playing in your Neanderthal play style, sorry, not gonna happen. Yes there is a couple of small things that need to be tweaked here and there but the current game situation is fine. I for one am glad CCP are heavily focused on Incarna instead of wasting time on fixing things that are not broke. You were not complaining when BoB dominated 0.0 but oh ho ho ho now, now you have beef with how 0.0 is. Learn to play the game and adapt and then maybe you will be a part of something relevant again. Actually as someone who fought on the NC's side and won I still have to say the state of 0.0 is **. This new sov system blows ass. Look. I like winning. If that means I have to bring 187 guys to fight 5 then that is what I will do. Why should I bring less if that many are available to me??? So sad to hear that you don't like the way of the current mechanics but I find them fine. It suits my play style and many, many, many others. Never saw you complaining about when we were curb stomping left and right any resistance. If its a fair fight then your doing it wrong. I like nap fest / power blocks. That is EVE. Not some bull crap 5 vs. 5 or 25 vs. 25 crap. EVE is bringing 700 guys to crush any hopeful alliance that wants to try 0.0 out of existence. Only have 25 vs. our hundreds of pilots? Back to empire with you where you belong noobs! If anything this game needs to shift more towards power block play style. That is the way the real world is and from the current state of 0.0 its what the players want or they would not do it. Get a grip on reality goonie, the new sov mechanics are a million times better than before. Your just mad because you forgot to pay a bill and are not the edgy presence you used to be. Uh you're **ed. Neither the IT guy or myself said we dislike large fleets or large naps. You're arguing ** no one is saying. Have fun with that straw man you're erecting.
EdFromHumanResources Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.07.17 08:42:00 - [7] Edited by: EdFromHumanResources on 17/07/2010 08:45:49 Originally by: Cromo Effect Originally by: EdFromHumanResources Uh you're ****ed. Neither the IT guy or myself said we dislike large fleets or large naps. You're arguing no one is saying. Have fun with that straw man you're erecting. I am simply stating that because the current mechanics do not fit what you think should be the play style means they should be changed. The mechanics are fine, you and the IT guy simple did not have the brain power to adapt so in your eyes it seems broken. "Adapt or Die" They will teach you this in pre-high school so don't worry too much. You will learn about this concept in years to come. So you're either trolling or **ed. Got it. The problems with sov are not the combat end beyond the fact you can't kite . The problems are more that sov isn't really capable of sustaining more than 2 people than it could before this GREAT SOV OVERHAUL that was supposed to allow 50 people to make cash off a system at once. What's more the fact you cannot check your sov bill before it's due anywhere in the game is a bad design plan. But mostly his post was just that the servers #1 priority needs to be fleet fights, since large fleets fight are what sov was redesigned around. That server functionality and reduction of lag should take priority over all this other stupid **.
EdFromHumanResources Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.07.17 12:01:00 - [8] Edited by: EdFromHumanResources on 17/07/2010 12:02:51 Originally by: Ishina Fel Reading some of the comments to this blog illustrates better than anything why the community doesn't, and shouldn't, have more influence in the game development process than it does now. Just want to point out this train of thought is what brought the world SWG:NGE Proof that it's possible to take a financially stable MMO and destroy it with a series of changes based on assuming the dev knows what the player wants better than the player.
EdFromHumanResources Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.07.17 12:22:00 - [9] Originally by: Cergorach Originally by: Mira O'karr Bull. the nano nerf was hammered in with just barely 1 month of testing. iirc it was even blogged about. they went in and changed attributes and it was ****. we are talking all ships here compared to 1 item, rockets. so it was ok to make a fundamental game change but fixing the speed, explo velocity and flightime on rokets suddenly requires months of dependency testing ??? wow. Do you know how many folks worked on that, how important it was at the time for CCP 'the business', or how it fit in with the plans for EVE that CCP had? Also keep in mind that at the time of the speed change/nerf CCP was a different animal then it is now, the last couple of years CCP has focused more on procedures, that brings along a certain amount of baggage that could translate in more testing required for a change. But again, who at CCP has stated that they want to change rockets in the way you want? Just because you think it's a good idea, doesn't mean CCP (or the rest of us) think it is... You're talking about CCP like they are all knowing about Eve. These are the exact same Devs who stated that the phoenix explosion velocity was ok because we could just target paint the dreads they were shooting at to maximize their damage. I really seriously doubt many of them play the game they design.
EdFromHumanResources Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.07.17 16:34:00 - [10] Originally by: Cergorach Originally by: EdFromHumanResources You're talking about CCP like they are all knowing about Eve. These are the exact same Devs who stated that the phoenix explosion velocity was ok because we could just target paint the dreads they were shooting at to maximize their damage. I really seriously doubt many of them play the game they design. I started playing EVE almost five years ago, I've been almost constantly subscribed. So yeah I've got a lot of faith in the Devs, otherwise I wouldn't still be playing this game. You've been around for almost four years, so you seem to have a lot of faith in the Devs as well or you wouldn't have stuck around for so long as well. Sure I don't agree with every decision they make, but EVE is still a decent addiction ;-) The Devs have a different perspective on the game then you or I do, but that doesn't mean that their ideas are incorrect, they have different objectives then you have. That doesn't make them perfect, but that certainly doesn't make the opinions of a bunch of players all that perfect either... If there's an issue with rockets, don't use rockets. If there's an issue with NPC ships using rockets, don't fight those ships or devise tactics that defeats them. It's almost like folks complaining on MD that they can't make a profit on item 'X' because of 'Y', our advice: "Don't buy/manufacture 'X'!". Lag is a constant uphill battle, if they fix enough that 200 ships can battle lag free, there will be folks complaining that they can't fight with 201 ships. Alliances have even used tactics that made nodes crash on purpose or lag on purpose (fitting ships with lag inducing armaments). At a certain point in the future we will have lag free fights with 2000 ships, and still folks will complain about fleet fights with 3000 ships. Doesn't mean that they should stop working on lag, but certainly shouldn't spend a significant amount of resources on it because the amount of accounts participating in such large fights is only a small percentage of the player base. I believe you mean my alt is 4 years old. This isn't even my oldest alt. You see what happens when you assume things? You end up wrong.

EdFromHumanResources Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.07.17 19:48:00 - [11] Edited by: EdFromHumanResources on 17/07/2010 19:49:03 Originally by: EdFromHumanResources Edited by: EdFromHumanResources on 17/07/2010 01:17:19 Ok Explorer, explain to us why the ** Incarna is important enough to have 3x the devs of Eve proper? Beyond the fact you're using it as a tech demo for WoD. What out of station ramifications will it have? Will it be more than a 3D chat room where we can show off our pretty ? If not why the are you developing so much power to it? There are over a 100 issues the CSM has voted yes to do that CCP is basically saying "No we would prefer a chat room with pretty avatars" Just gonna re-ask this and let it go ignored by Stoffer again. Maybe if you told us why we should give a about Incarna beyond HEY NEW INTERFACE FOR A CHAT ROOM we may be less **ed. But that probably all its going to be isn't it? An RP'ers tool. Nothing more.
EdFromHumanResources Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.07.17 21:43:00 - [12] Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Ix Forres I do not believe this is the only issue. A few weeks ago, I would have sent my CV in if I were in a position to do so (Full time education at present). Now, I'm fairly certain I would not. I know this to be a common feeling amongst other EVE developers and people in the games industry. People just don't want to work for CCP as much as they used to because of this sort of incident, which indicates serious problems within the company. For me, for at least a couple of years, my plan was to do university and by then have built up enough experience doing jobs on the site to apply for a position at CCP. Why not, be a part of the solution. Let me list the available programming positions in EVE Software (note that there are more positions available in EVE QA, EVE Game Design and Core Software): Customer Support Tools Programmer Senior Security Specialist (EVE) Senior Development Operations Engineer (EVE) Senior Network Programmer (EVE) Senior Programmer (EVE) Senior Programmer - Incarna Programmer - Incarna Associate Programmer - Incarna Unfortunately at this point the problems within CCP seem to be more related to common sense than lack of skilled workers. Don't need a degree or years of experience to tell you that you're on the wrong path for the next 18 months.
EdFromHumanResources Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.07.17 21:54:00 - [13] Any chance of you telling us why we should care about Incarna?
EdFromHumanResources Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.07.17 22:00:00 - [14] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Originally by: EdFromHumanResources Any chance of you telling us why we should care about Incarna? Because theres players like me out there who dearly wants it? I will give you, it'll be a great RP tool and shiny object for people who want that thing. But from what I have seen it has zero interaction with the game itself beyond "OH LOOK PRETTY". Why would I want my game suspended for over a year for that?
EdFromHumanResources Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.07.17 22:06:00 - [15] Edited by: EdFromHumanResources on 17/07/2010 22:08:23 Originally by: Ap0ll0n Originally by: EdFromHumanResources Any chance of you telling us why we should care about Incarna? Tell me why i should care about faction warfare, PI, empire missions, wormholes etc? Faction Warfare: We get navy ships out of this PI: If you ever want to run a pos ever someone has to do this Empire Missions: Again LP rewards and further they provide a lot of minerals into the system Wormholes: Allows us to have T3 ships What the ** does Incarna do? Originally by:** CCP Explorer Originally by: Liang Nuren Say, would it help if I paid a couple bil to host some fleet fights in Irjunen/Motsu/Dodixie? It helps us a lot when players participate in the mass-tests on SiSi. Stop making the fleet fights a shadow of what they are on TQ and we will. The few I have shown up for have been jokes not worth the time it took to patch SISI. How do you know the very things you dont allow on SISI aren't whats ****ing the server so hard during a fight?
EdFromHumanResources Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.07.17 22:16:00 - [16] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 17/07/2010 22:12:19 Originally by: EdFromHumanResources [...] What the **** does Incarna do? Nothing, seeing its not launched, and still under production. Nothing, seeing we have not been told what it will do or include. Although, as I wrote earlier, it would be very very nice of CCP if they could give us a small new video or fotage from it - you know - just so we knew that those 70 incarna devs are still alive, and not stuffed into the server hamster wheel. I don't give a rats ass how pretty it is. I want to know how it interfaces with my internet spaceships beyond a new avatar to chat to people with. If it's solely an RP tool it's easily the biggest waste of developer time CCP has yet to undertake.
EdFromHumanResources Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.07.19 07:36:00 - [17] Edited by: EdFromHumanResources on 19/07/2010 07:40:21 So you had 300 devs working on Apocrypha and since then over 250 have gone missing? If as you say the Incarna devs could not be used for anything in Eve, like oh say, redoing the textures of the the existing space ships(Since it's a space ship game and all) or making motherships larger(Having a supercap that's smaller than a phoenix is pretty hilarious) or you know, giving us that DX10/11 **** you promised us like 3 years ago?
EdFromHumanResources Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.07.20 20:42:00 - [18] CCP stated over and over they were really excited about PI. I am curious why anyone at CCP or on that project could be excited about something that was more boring that POS work? Especially considering POS work is already considered one of the worst facets of Eve. CCP also said they were really excited about Faction Warfare and what that would allow them to do with it in the future. Faction Warfare was summarily abandoned after it's inception and it was horrible on release and still is very broken. CCP says they are excited about Incarna, this should concern people.
EdFromHumanResources Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.07.20 21:00:00 - [19] Originally by: Monkey Saturday Originally by: EdFromHumanResources CCP stated over and over they were really excited about PI. I am curious why anyone at CCP or on that project could be excited about something that was more boring that POS work? Especially considering POS work is already considered one of the worst facets of Eve. CCP also said they were really excited about Faction Warfare and what that would allow them to do with it in the future. Faction Warfare was summarily abandoned after it's inception and it was horrible on release and still is very broken. CCP says they are excited about Incarna, this should concern people. Honestly never made that connection until just now. Scary thought for sure. The list is a lot longer than those three features.
EdFromHumanResources Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.07.20 21:21:00 - [20] To be fair they just spoke about treaties a few months ago. I don't think it's fair to declare that as stillborn at this point. T3 friguates likely require a lot more work than any other non T3 ship we have seen thus far for balancing and modeling purposes so I would expect t heir development timeline to be much longer than a normal ship

EdFromHumanResources Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.07.22 00:44:00 - [21] Edited by: EdFromHumanResources on 22/07/2010 00:45:09 I'd like to point out to the thick head above the people responding to us are primarily those who are paid to just that. Deal with the community. As for a larger MMO with more dev posts here you go. I see over 50 posts today alone. edit: There are also numerous class/server/and battlegroup forums not tracked by that app where devs post.
EdFromHumanResources Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.07.22 02:10:00 - [22] Point is the only MMO's that don't have constant dev to player interaction are usually free to play or trend towards free to play like LoTRO, DDO, or AO
EdFromHumanResources Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.07.22 07:42:00 - [23] Yeah it make's perfect sense we have to wait 2 years to get a simple fix like moving a decimal! We are selfish!
EdFromHumanResources Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.07.22 19:38:00 - [24] Here's another honest question I fully expect to be ignored. Has CCP taken into account the extremely short lifespan on any FPS on console? You won't simply be competing with MMO developers who have products in wildly different genres, you will be directly competing with companies that have been putting out top rated FPS for 20+ years. You will have to outdo the interest in all of them to keep your playerbase. Are you ready to do this without massively diverting devs from Eve?
EdFromHumanResources Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.07.22 20:07:00 - [25] Yes but that doesn't change that console players have a notoriously short attention span. Even with tons of bells and whistles. Do people still play TF2 heavily on console? I know there are literally thousands still playing on PC. The two groups of players are very different in their playing habits.
EdFromHumanResources Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.07.22 20:44:00 - [26] Originally by: Cergorach Originally by: EdFromHumanResources Yes but that doesn't change that console players have a notoriously short attention span. Even with tons of bells and whistles. Do people still play TF2 heavily on console? I know there are literally thousands still playing on PC. The two groups of players are very different in their playing habits. Square Enix released Final Fantasy for the Xbox360 and the PS2 (and later usable on the PS3) six years ago, it's still supported/played. Final Fantasy XIV would have been released for the Xbox360 if MS hadn't changed certain policies, now it's released on the PS3. These are MMOs designed for the PC, working on a console (with a decent console interface). Not exactly short term products. I think CCP is aiming for a similar market. The only issue I can find is that a console generally isn't all that good for a FPS, apparently there have been tests that pitted exceptionally good console FPS players against mediocre PC FPS players and the console players often lost. I'm seeing folks connecting keyboards and mice to their console so they can play their best game of Dust514. EVE Online players offering continued incentives to Dust514 players, and CCP continuing deploying new 'shinnies' to extend that attention span of the console player. Also keep in mind that as this is an exclusive console game, there will be (a lot of) PC players that will play this game because there is no PC alternative. The only reason I own an Xbox(360) is due to a few exclusive console titles, some of which aren't really all that good according to the reviews, but I still like them (compare them to a crappy romance novel). You are missing a crucial component, these were all eventually made into PC games. CCP has repeatedly said dust will not be on the PC. You think people play FFXI on a PS2 anymore?
EdFromHumanResources Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.07.22 21:06:00 - [27] You realize if Dust dies the means by which we do any interaction they provide through it will die as well right? It does matter if it's never coming to PC because it not only drastically reduces the market but reduces the chance it'll last more than a year or two.
EdFromHumanResources Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.07.22 21:15:00 - [28] Originally by: Bomberlocks Originally by: UNDERBROW .... I will never walk in stations just to roleplay, if CCP thinks even 1/100 of the current eve population will then they are delusional. I think you're wrong. I'm pretty sure that most players will try it out. I'm also pretty sure that it will quickly become boring for most once the initial thrill is over. Yeah! Let's spend 4 years and the majority of the devs for a feature 99% of Eve will just simply TRY OUT and then forget. Good idea!
EdFromHumanResources Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.07.22 21:24:00 - [29] We don't think they want Eve to tank. We think they are grossly out of touch with their playerbase.
EdFromHumanResources Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.07.22 22:18:00 - [30] So 49 some odd pages and the opposing arguments haven't moved past "THIS GAME ROXXOR I LUV CCP 4EVER", "CCP knows better than you how to make their game THEY ARE CCP" and "LAWL TEARS" even if they say it in a block of words.

EdFromHumanResources Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.07.23 07:11:00 - [31] **ers need to stop talking about anything court related and internet spaceships in the same thread right now. Go find your own terrible thread to ** up.
EdFromHumanResources Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.07.23 07:41:00 - [32] Originally by: Marconus Orion Originally by: EdFromHumanResources Yes but that doesn't change that console players have a notoriously short attention span. Look at me erecting a straw man while wildly grasping at straws Fixed it for you.
EdFromHumanResources Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.07.23 07:55:00 - [33] Originally by: whatzmyname again Many here say that "the players" this, "the players" that... I am wondering how many unique character names have actually responded to this thread? Number of replies tell very little as many of you write several posts. Statistics please.. Chribba? Responding again to artificially inflate my "Number of times posted in this thread" count and say I support this gesture.
EdFromHumanResources Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.07.23 17:59:00 - [34] Anyone still pumping their cash into this game is dumb. Ive been paying with isk for quite a while now. I realize that by no means deny's CCP money but it keeps it from hurting my pocket book. When/if I run out of isk I don't plan on keeping it going at this rate.

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