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Sev Centuar Retrievers of Rock Inc 5	Posted - 2012.07.22 04:37:00 - [1] - Quote Ok now. i have posted a few times bout null topics. so DEAL WITH IT! ok were almost in a null allaince. and i want to mine solo in null sec and make isk. what do i need to know? i need to know.. a good retriver tank fit. escape tactics. things i should know before diving into null. ok and your going to ask me why not just get someone to protect you while you mine?well thats quite simple. in null anyone can hurt you even your own corp mates. i learned that the hard way in HIGH SEC! anyways hoping for some good responses thanks :) EDIT: wanted to also include how to get out of warp scram...dam i hate those things.
Pipa Porto School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 459	Posted - 2012.07.22 04:43:00 - [2] - Quote You'll get far with that attitude when you're asking for help. Google for guides. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
Zyella Stormborn Alpha Strategy In Umbra Mortis 23	Posted - 2012.07.22 07:25:00 - [3] - Quote Pipa Porto wrote: You'll get far with that attitude when you're asking for help. Google for guides. QFT
Mishraile Viliana Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2012.07.22 09:39:00 - [4] - Quote I hope you don't mind me asking, but if you are unable or unwilling to trust the players in your corporation/alliance why would you bother to join them?
Dave stark Bombardier Inc 204	Posted - 2012.07.22 10:06:00 - [5] - Quote Sev Centuar wrote: Ok now. i have posted a few times bout null topics. so DEAL WITH IT! ok were almost in a null allaince. and i want to mine solo in null sec and make isk. what do i need to know? i need to know.. a good retriver tank fit. escape tactics. things i should know before diving into null. ok and your going to ask me why not just get someone to protect you while you mine?well thats quite simple. in null anyone can hurt you even your own corp mates. i learned that the hard way in HIGH SEC! anyways hoping for some good responses thanks :) EDIT: wanted to also include how to get out of warp scram...dam i hate those things. retriever's can't tank. warp to pos is your escape tactic. before going in to null? just don't. if you're flying a retriever you're obviously new, just don't. stay in high sec and get a better grasp on the game first. getting out of warp scram? you don't. you just don't get scrammed to begin with. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold.
Pipa Porto School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 460	Posted - 2012.07.22 10:12:00 - [6] - Quote Sev Centuar wrote: EDIT: wanted to also include how to get out of warp scram...dam i hate those things. Kill the thing scramming you. Outrun it. ECM. Neuts. Sensor Damps (maybe) Dock. Jump a Gate. Beg? Those are the ways to stop a scram. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
Celgar Thurn Department 10 47	Posted - 2012.07.22 12:22:00 - [7] - Quote Don't buy permissions/rental of space as that will more often than not be a scam. Use your head and keep your eyes open. Be prepared to lose your vessel every once in a while and figure that into your profit calculations. Watch local. D-Scan. Make or mine with friends.
AzAkiR NaLDa Real Simple Construction Elemental Tide 0	Posted - 2012.07.22 13:03:00 - [8] - Quote In order to start solo mining in null you want to leave the barge track and go exhumer. Reason for this is that any random barge can't fit a tank strong enough to even tank the null sec belt rats. Also to make it more interesting reading and googling might be your best friend if you've never been in null before. Or just ask some of the corp vets to help you get on the right track
Victoria Sin Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 122	Posted - 2012.07.22 13:25:00 - [9] - Quote You won't be able to tank all of the rat spawns there without help in a retriever. The best method there is to avoid getting scambled is to keep an eye on local and your alliance intel channels and to warp off whenever a red is spotted. When you log in you need to check system status (with intel); there may be reds logged in your system or nearby. Ideally you will have boosts from corp/alliance friends (in mining systems there's usually someone offering fleet). Personally I fit shield transfers too when I'm boosting fleet just in case one of the ships gets low on shield when the rats arrive. I also give shield harmonizing bonus. Mining ships are usually rigged with screen reinforcer to increase resists too. You don't generally mine belts in null, so you'll need to able to find the gravs. Normally you will mine into cans and then haul to station. Remember when a red is spotted don't warp to station (red might be sitting on station), so make sure you have one or more safe spot bookmarks in system. When you get there, the first thing you should do is make insta-warp bookmarks from station to a point off grid, so you can escape quickly. Oh and as above says, way better to use exhumer than barge. Barge is OK if you get shield transfer support in mining op.
D3F4ULT 152	Posted - 2012.07.23 15:13:00 - [10] - Quote OP is not ready for null sec. You're going to absolutely hate the experience with that attitude. Null requires communication, trust, help, and guidance from not only corporation members, but alliance members. You'll be rediculed for your silly mistakes and mocked from time to time by alliance members, if you cant cope then dont go. But on your queastion, you can't really mine solo retriever effectively. You need a barge tank fitted or support at your side. Keep an eye on local, and never mine in asteroid belts. When someone pops in you POS up. Never warp straight to a station when a neutral comes in system. Have safe spots, but never sit at them; always be moving until the neutral is gone or you're at a POS. Dont talk in local because you fail, PvP players love your sweat leaky tears of your fail fitted retriever and barges. Tl;dr Stay in high sec. Creator of CCP ZULU - Incarna : Pants Online ( http://youtu.be/AObrlCf3Dcs )
Jean Murat Vectorum Exitium Alternative Realities 0	Posted - 2012.07.23 20:23:00 - [11] - Quote D3F4ULT wrote: OP is not ready for null sec. You're going to absolutely hate the experience with that attitude. Null requires communication, trust, help, and guidance from not only corporation members, but alliance members. You'll be rediculed for your silly mistakes and mocked from time to time by alliance members, if you cant cope then dont go. But on your queastion, you can't really mine solo retriever effectively. You need a barge tank fitted or support at your side. Keep an eye on local, and never mine in asteroid belts. When someone pops in you POS up. Never warp straight to a station when a neutral comes in system. Have safe spots, but never sit at them; always be moving until the neutral is gone or you're at a POS. Dont talk in local because you fail, PvP players love your sweat leaky tears of your fail fitted retriever and barges. Tl;dr Stay in high sec. I agree with D3F4ULT, it would be best to just mining in high sec or even some 5.0 system's for descent ores. As Celgar Thurn put it your going to want to also watch local like a hawk encase anyone with a low security status or even check their kill boards to see if they have a history of ganking and etc... Also never mine AFK just don't do it.
Sev Centuar Retrievers of Rock Inc 5	Posted - 2012.07.23 21:48:00 - [12] - Quote well thanks for the tips guys.
Oscillus Perforati Hedion University Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2012.07.24 21:15:00 - [13] - Quote If you can't trust your corpmates enough to mine, then you should probably reconsider the corporation you are in (they can shoot you legally anywhere and you don't trust them? ) More to the point, solo mining in its current state pretty much requires an exhumer in nullsec. A mining barge has literally zero tank, so if any rats show up you'll need to warp out or die, even with support. A well-fit hulk (with faction-specific resists and a halfway decent deadspace small shield booster) can usually tank most rat spawns, though depending on their e-war you may want to have a dedicated tank around anyway. If any hostile players enter system, GTFO (and go to a POS, NOT the station) because anything that can fit a weapon will kill your mining ship if it even remotely sneezes on you (this applies to exhumers as well, that pathetic ~100 DPS active tank won't save you from anything). Mining in belts is extremely dangerous, although the same caution should be exercised in gravimetric sites since your enemy could have scanned them down while you weren't there. Basically take the usual precautions of 0.0 (pay attention to intel channels and local) and apply them to a ship that takes 15 seconds to align and has all the glorious tank of a bad cruiser. Oh, and if you're mining for money, Scordite is the second most valuable ore in the game right now and can be found literally anywhere with an asteroid belt. You don't need to go to nullsec to make a lot of money mining right now so if you're going there exclusively to mine for money, don't. It's not worth the hassle, especially given the changes coming on the 8th that will apparently result in some nice, utterly gank-resistant mining barges for your highsec enjoyment.
Dave stark Bombardier Inc 218	Posted - 2012.07.24 21:18:00 - [14] - Quote Oscillus Perforati wrote: Oh, and if you're mining for money, Scordite is the second most valuable ore in the game right now and can be found literally anywhere with an asteroid belt. You don't need to go to nullsec to make a lot of money mining right now so if you're going there exclusively to mine for money, don't. It's not worth the hassle, especially given the changes coming on the 8th that will apparently result in some nice, utterly gank-resistant mining barges for your highsec enjoyment. true but woefully wrong. the gap between first and second is bigger than the gap between second and everything else. null sec is still where you want to be if you're mining for isk/hour. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold.
qDoctor Strangelove Beware of the Red Fox 36	Posted - 2012.07.24 21:36:00 - [15] - Quote Never not leave high sec. Go find a new player friendly corp, and join them in Null. Do not bring anything from empire except a clone and a fast as **** travel fit destroyer, with 2 tracktor beams, 6 salvagers, 6 cargo expanders in cargo. bring a proto cloak if you can use it. ( think about also bringing 3 strip miners if you have them, and mining bonus low slot mods, some rigs for the retriever (align speed)) When you get to null, go salvage & loot the belts until you get set up with isk etc to buy your retriever and hauler.
Barbara Nichole Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance 282	Posted - 2012.07.24 22:00:00 - [16] - Quote unfortunately, current retrievers do not have enough tank to hold up to one or two shots of a battleship spawn in null sec.. if you need to add something to your mining op in null sec.. add more security.. or wait for Aug 8th when everything changes for barge tanking. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/consultsig.jpg[/IMG]
Korsiri Mousetrap Building Inc. 60	Posted - 2012.07.26 19:59:00 - [17] - Quote Barbara Nichole wrote: unfortunately, current retrievers do not have enough tank to hold up to one or two shots of a battleship spawn in null sec.. if you need to add something to your mining op in null sec.. add more security.. or wait for Aug 8th when everything changes for barge tanking. they can barely tank the rats in highsec tbh =/ and you don't get a lot of room to fit 'em for tanking (as several already mentioned)
Dave stark Bombardier Inc 269	Posted - 2012.07.26 20:02:00 - [18] - Quote Korsiri wrote: Barbara Nichole wrote: unfortunately, current retrievers do not have enough tank to hold up to one or two shots of a battleship spawn in null sec.. if you need to add something to your mining op in null sec.. add more security.. or wait for Aug 8th when everything changes for barge tanking. they can barely tank the rats in highsec tbh =/ and you don't get a lot of room to fit 'em for tanking (as several already mentioned) complete ****, retrievers can tank fine in high sec. i was in a 0.7 belt with 3 rats yesterday and i didn't have a single issue. t2 light drones make short work of them. 0.7 also has the most lucrative ores so there's no need to go to 0.5 systems or whatever. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold.
Draconyx Oort Cloud Industries The OORT Cloud 4	Posted - 2012.07.27 09:28:00 - [19] - Quote First off forget about T1 barges in Null. The Rats will take you out before any player can kill you. A Mackinaw will be your ship of choice by the looks of it come November. Till then you are flying a Hulk. Fitting well.... Gistii B-Type Small Shield Booster Then build a tank from there based on the RATS. As far as getting out of a warp scram. DON"T BE THERE WHEN THEY SHOW UP WATCH LOCAL AND THE SECURITY CHANNELS. Best of Luck. Oh and if you can't trust you corp then leave them. Also mine with others it is safer and shares the load of watching for trouble.
Zera Kerrigan Dark Tempest Enterprises 5	Posted - 2012.07.27 16:32:00 - [20] - Quote Because of your awesome attitude I will answer the question in topic. You click on an asteroid and choose "Lock Target". Then when the locking process is completed you active your Mining Laser, Strip Miner or whatever on it. It is that simple! I promise!
blood hauler The Art of War 6	Posted - 2012.07.27 16:49:00 - [21] - Quote Got to ask your self why would you want to mine in null sec as well though http://ore.cerlestes.de/index.html#site:ore only ark is worth more than empire ore, if you want to find nice large roids of empire ore go to low or find a site.
Dave stark Bombardier Inc 284	Posted - 2012.07.27 16:50:00 - [22] - Quote blood hauler wrote: Got to ask your self why would you want to mine in null sec as well though http://ore.cerlestes.de/index.html#site:ore only ark is worth more than empire ore, if you want to find nice large roids of empire ore go to low or find a site. because look at the jump between scord and arkonor vs scord and bistot. the order isn't as important as the isk values. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold.
blood hauler The Art of War 6	Posted - 2012.07.27 16:52:00 - [23] - Quote your not going to find huge roids of ark to last long and where they is ark they is normally very large amounts of people. And you will find that you mine more m3 of Scordite than ark due to it's size and been able to get the full amount from each mining laser
Dave stark Bombardier Inc 285	Posted - 2012.07.27 16:57:00 - [24] - Quote blood hauler wrote: your not going to find huge roids of ark to last long and where they is ark they is normally very large amounts of people. And you will find that you mine more m3 of Scordite than ark due to it's size and been able to get the full amount from each mining laser you mine at a uniform rate. so you will mine exactly the same amount of ark as you do scordite. at worst you lose 15.9 m3 of ore, that's practically nothing (over an hour that's what, about 2/3 of a cycle of one strip miner). you don't understand how grav sites work, do you? not to mention there aren't lots of people there, they'll be spread over the entire region to minimise the effect of afk cloaky faggots and to prevent industry indexes going over 3 in order not to draw attention to themselves. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold.
Zetaomega333 HIFI INDUSTRIAL ROL.Citizens 11	Posted - 2012.07.27 18:25:00 - [25] - Quote blood hauler wrote: your not going to find huge roids of ark to last long and where they is ark they is normally very large amounts of people. And you will find that you mine more m3 of Scordite than ark due to it's size and been able to get the full amount from each mining laser You are, Even bistot and crok are worth more than scord when you factor in the fact that you will not have to travel around the belt or to new belts every 20 min while mining crok and bistot and ark.

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