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Trovarion
Gallente
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2010.07.18 12:44:00 -
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As an actively recruiting corp we find it rather difficult to get people to join up, the main reason for declining our offer being that we are in FW. I honestly don't understand it though...
I know that the outside perception of FW is not awesome, but it's not like you're sitting in a plex all day, shooting npcs. I have probably done 4 FW plexes in my whole EVE life.
I am a casual player with a life apart from eve (sometimes I play the whole day, sometimes I don't play for a week, sometimes I play just an hour,...) and I think FW is being a perfect target environment. You log on, see if your corp is up for any dirty deeds, if not you hop in your prefered solopwnmobile and look for fights, or you roll out a small gang and look for a gang that outnumbers you. I have never had so much fun in a while, flying alongside my corpies...it's not like there is only newbs in FW that dont know what they are doing...
and if you're really really bored you just join one of the big blobs and slug away. it's ALL there to be had...in low sec, just jumps away from tradehubs and all that.
someone care to explain why FW (apart from the bugs and not so well thought out plexing and occupancy system - but who wants that anyway if you can have pew?) is that badly perceived? :D
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Serpents smile
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Posted - 2010.07.18 12:55:00 -
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One reason may be the big standing hit players get towards opposing factions.
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Bane Necran
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Posted - 2010.07.18 13:04:00 -
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You mean aside from CCP saying they have no plans to ever finish it?
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Shania Lynn
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Posted - 2010.07.18 14:09:00 -
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 Originally by: Bane Necran
You mean aside from CCP saying they have no plans to ever finish it?
Your source for this?
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Ratnix Foisen
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Posted - 2010.07.18 14:37:00 -
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Not everybody wants to PVP each and every time they log on.
I know, when I get home from work, I just want to run a couple of missions before I go to bed. If and when I do PVP it will be once I have established myself with a source of income that will allow me to replace my ships on a regular basis. Then once I have established an income I will PVP as my time allows me to.
Again, not everybody wants to PVP 100% of the time they are playing. Some people like to sit back and relax for a little bit doing mindless stuff.
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Bane Necran
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Posted - 2010.07.18 14:39:00 -
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Originally by: Shania Lynn
Originally by: Bane Necran
You mean aside from CCP saying they have no plans to ever finish it?
Your source for this?
Supposedly something was said which led people to think so, but aside from that, just go look at the recent blog post detailing their future plans. If they do have any plans for FW, it's coming well after Incarna and DUST, and all kinds of other things. At the very best it might get revisited in 2-3 years.
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Trovarion
Gallente
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2010.07.18 14:45:00 -
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Originally by: Ratnix Foisen
Not everybody wants to PVP each and every time they log on.
I know, when I get home from work, I just want to run a couple of missions before I go to bed. If and when I do PVP it will be once I have established myself with a source of income that will allow me to replace my ships on a regular basis. Then once I have established an income I will PVP as my time allows me to.
Again, not everybody wants to PVP 100% of the time they are playing. Some people like to sit back and relax for a little bit doing mindless stuff.
well, you can still go to half of highsec to run safe missions. not even mentioning the kaching you get from FW missions. and also theres ...pretty decent agents in low sec too ^^
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Posted - 2010.07.18 14:58:00 -
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I believe it means anybody in faction wars for an opposing faction has full wardec rights to kill you. Making high sec even more unsafe than normal.
That is the bigst reason I would not join a FW corp. at least not until I am ready to do some serious PVP.
It is possible that its not actually a big danger that you will meet an opposing FW player while doing your non PVP activities but it is preserved as a risk.
Edward
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Mhormal
Amarr
THE F.E.A.R
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Posted - 2010.07.18 14:58:00 -
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Theres big issues with faction wars, wich are also true of low sec.You join it for daily pvp, its not worth going there for isk, once again doing missions in empire is way more profitable than faction war missions , not even worth mentioning regular low sec missions.
From my experience you can only expect loosing isk in pvp even if you do good you wont earn much ,thats not possible to any new players to just loose ships like that without any isk incomes.I dont know what they smoked when they pretended it was for new players to get step into pvp.
Look what i have to do in a faction war mission: pick one missions from any level 4 agent in low sec, then proceed 10 jumps and more while avoiding ,roaming gangs, enemy militia blobs,pirate gate camps.
Once there if i enter my mission, it becomes a big target in the overview ,last time i took one 3 gangs tried to gank me in less than 30 min . The mission isnt much more easy than a level 4 empire mission, its true sometime you have to pick some selected target but you can only do that efficiently if you have a bomber .
If you want to clear it all fast you need a bs , but that would be suicidal to bring one there. So to sum up its slow , extremely risky ,in overall clearly inferior rewards for the huge risks involved.
The good sides is cheap faction frigs, cheap lp shop, and good fun once you are accepted by the militia fleets.
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Trovarion
Gallente
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2010.07.18 15:00:00 -
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wow...so many missconceptions...
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Eternum Praetorian
Method In Khaos
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Posted - 2010.07.18 15:06:00 -
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Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 18/07/2010 15:06:20
Because
You get kicked out of half of empire just so you can go blob low sec . . . of which you can do anyway without the "Faction Warfare" part.
So I ask you, why bother? Why not just take your corpies into Low Sec whenever you want to? 
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Trovarion
Gallente
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2010.07.18 15:11:00 -
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Edited by: Trovarion on 18/07/2010 15:13:56
100% of my corpmates don't even want to live in highsec (so they give up nothing - and trade-runs/logistics, that's what freighter alts are for)...why would they? It's not like they want to go mine or run high-sec missions.
I guess the time has come to kindly ask high sec dwellers to stop poasting ^^
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Eternum Praetorian
Method In Khaos
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Posted - 2010.07.18 15:19:00 -
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Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 18/07/2010 15:20:21
Then go live there.
No one is forcing you to stay in empire are they? Go live there, like . . .today, start the move this weekend. Don't wait any longer an embrace the dream!! \0/
Many want-to-be PVP'ers who say that they don't want to live in Empire boast allot, and they are often full of hot air. So shut your trap and go move your ass...ets to low sec or NPC space and have fun "playing EVE your way" killer. 
And while your at it, what do you gain from joining FW again? I must have missed your reply? 
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Mhormal
Amarr
THE F.E.A.R
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Posted - 2010.07.18 15:19:00 -
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Misconceptions ? Maybe care to share your knowledge, i am not an high sec dweller and probably not the others guys who answered you.Fact is many are not impressed by Fw system.
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Bane Necran
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Posted - 2010.07.18 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: Trovarion
100% of my corpmates don't even want to live in highsec...why would they?
Because there's more actual PvP than anywhere else?
I wish i was kidding. In lowsec people camp gates or lurk for hours just to get their precious little killmail, and most of 0.0 is a lovefest, but in hisec you have people picking fights, scamming, and talking smack 24/7. You cram a bunch of people into a small enough area, there's bound to be conflicts. And don't tell me CONCORD is any kind of help. You can attack whoever you want in hisec just like you can in 0.0, only have to wardec or trick them first.
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Trovarion
Gallente
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2010.07.18 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: Eternum Praetorian
Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 18/07/2010 15:20:21
Then go live there.
No one is forcing you to stay in empire are they? Go live there, like . . .today, start the move this weekend. Don't wait any longer an embrace the dream!! \0/
Many want-to-be PVP'ers who say that they don't want to live in Empire boast allot, and they are often full of hot air. So shut your trap and go move your ass...ets to low sec or NPC space and have fun "playing EVE your way" killer.
And while your at it, what do you gain from joining FW again? I must have missed your reply?
you sir...are a ****... O_o if you missed it: I didnt come here to argue about the pros/cons of highsec vs. lowsec - I was asking why people who look for PVP frown upon FW, so now please if you don't have anything to add to that topic...ty...
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Blnukem 192
Amarr
Malevolent Industries
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Posted - 2010.07.18 15:28:00 -
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Originally by: Mhormal
Theres big issues with faction wars, wich are also true of low sec.You join it for daily pvp, its not worth going there for isk...
I wouldn't say that. The first day I joined FW, I made approximately 500 million ISK doing a few lvl 4 FW missions. They are possibly the best source of income (aside from babysitting sale orders all day) in empire, in my opinion.
They are more than worth it to join, just for the isk alone. Especially for those mission runners who want a bit more challenge and reward. Not sure who told you what you currently believe, but they obviously never tried it. FW is an excellent source of income, which you can then throw away to PVP.
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Eternum Praetorian
Method In Khaos
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Posted - 2010.07.18 15:31:00 -
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I do actually.
Why are you not living in low sec?
Why are you not moving there expediently?
And most importantly . .
What do you gain by actually joining FW in any official capacity, over just going to low sec whenever you please and doing what you want when you want to do it?
These are all valid questions pertaining to your Topic. And I don't think I "Missed" your responses. The fact that I am an *** is obvious and by now should common knowledge,
soooo... do you care to enlighten us?
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Trovarion
Gallente
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2010.07.18 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: Eternum Praetorian
Why are you not living in low sec?
ehm...we DO live there...it wasnt that hard to miss that fact, was it?
Originally by: Eternum Praetorian
soooo... do you care to enlighten us?
no.
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Eternum Praetorian
Method In Khaos
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Posted - 2010.07.18 15:41:00 -
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Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 18/07/2010 15:43:08
Ok then, thread is now closed.
You cannot explain to us why FW is better then just putzing around low sec on your own. So what is this thread about again?
My Vote Goes To Rico Suave possibly one of the greatest singer song writers of the twentieth century.
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Trovarion
Gallente
Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2010.07.18 15:49:00 -
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I came here to ask why FW is not perceived as an option for people looking to be recruited by PVP corps, not to explain anything to a troll.
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Blnukem 192
Amarr
Malevolent Industries
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Posted - 2010.07.18 15:51:00 -
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Edited by: Blnukem 192 on 18/07/2010 15:53:36
Originally by: Eternum Praetorian
Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 18/07/2010 15:40:58
Ok then, thread is now closed.
You cannot explain to us why FW is better then just putzing around low sec on your own. So what is this thread about again?
Perhaps I can clarify a few reasons to join FW. One reason, as I said, was the ISK value of FW. Another would be the number of targets vs the number on your side. A FW militia is essentially just an alliance to join, which is controlled by the empire factions instead of players. Similar to any 0.0 alliance, you have lots of people to kill, space you're not necessarily allowed in, and also a fleet you can fight with.
Factional Warfare is, in it's most basic form, similar to 0.0 warfare. The only difference is that it's easier to move about system to system. And lots more pirates to tangle with. Faction War is for those who wish to join fleet battles without having to contend with the inconveniences of 0.0, such as lag, bubbles, no people in most parts of space (no targets for roamers), and the poor market.
I hope this sums a few basics up.
Originally by: Trovarion
I came here to ask why FW is not perceived as an option for people looking to be recruited by PVP corps, not to explain anything to a troll.
Mostly because they don't understand. I was the same way as Eternum Praetorian before I joined FW. I saw it nothing more than blob warfare in lowsec with no value, then I joined to give it a try and found it to be something completely different.
Unfortunately, also the fact you're going to be shot on sight in other empires may also be a turnoff for some people, then again you wouldn't want those types of people in your corp anyway.
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Batolemaeus
Caldari
Vauryndar Dalharil
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Posted - 2010.07.18 15:53:00 -
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Edited by: Batolemaeus on 18/07/2010 15:54:52
Originally by: Trovarion
I came here to ask why FW is not perceived as an option for people looking to be recruited by PVP corps, not to explain anything to a troll.
Because people like you are making themselves and FW look really, really stupid.
Originally by: Blnukem 192
Faction War is for those who wish to join fleet battles without having to contend with the inconveniences of 0.0, such as lag
The lag in FW has been even WORSE than in 0.0..
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Blnukem 192
Amarr
Malevolent Industries
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Posted - 2010.07.18 15:59:00 -
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Edited by: Blnukem 192 on 18/07/2010 16:00:03
Originally by: Batolemaeus
The lag in FW has been even WORSE than in 0.0..
The few times I've experienced lag in FW, it was very minor. It was still very playable. It's possible in certain other FW areas like Black Rise there is more lag, simply because of the infestation of Caldari in that area, but this is only a theory.
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Eternum Praetorian
Method In Khaos
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Posted - 2010.07.18 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Trovarion
I came here to ask why FW is not perceived as an option for people looking to be recruited by PVP corps, not to explain anything to a troll.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.07.18 16:44:00 -
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Hahahaha.
ITT: Nullsec players envious of fw's broad range of playable and most importantly enjoyable pvp options ranging from very small gang pew pew in frigs all the way up to massive supercap hotdrops.
All mostly lag free too even in the bigger fights.
ffs the fw corp I am in now gets more regular cap ship fleet action(on a smaller scale granted, but thats a good thing) than most of the bigger alliances with its ranks growing all the time from nullsec players who are dumping the laggy 0.0 fleet blob for the smaller fw fleets. 
Now as far as why fw is not as popular as it could be, well, that is completely due to misinformation spread by trolls like the ones in this thread and the lack of commitment from ccp to fix some of the more glaring issues like ******ed standings mechanics and neutral rr using alts in the opposing militia. Still even though we have a rather small community and there are some serious game mechanic issues we are all very dedicated to the game and won't be leaving anytime soon.
Originally by: Balsak
Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
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Batolemaeus
Caldari
Vauryndar Dalharil
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Posted - 2010.07.18 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
that is completely due to misinformation spread by trolls
But of course! It's totally not due to
Originally by: Zeba
the lack of commitment from ccp to fix some of the more glaring issues
Or
Originally by: Zeba
standings mechanics and neutral rr using alts
Or
Originally by: Zeba
some serious game mechanic issues
No! It must be the trolls! GRRRRAAWWWR!
Cripes, some people..
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Blnukem 192
Amarr
Malevolent Industries
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Posted - 2010.07.18 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: Batolemaeus
Originally by: Zeba
that is completely due to misinformation spread by trolls
But of course! It's totally not due to
Originally by: Zeba
the lack of commitment from ccp to fix some of the more glaring issues
Or
Originally by: Zeba
standings mechanics and neutral rr using alts
Or
Originally by: Zeba
some serious game mechanic issues
No! It must be the trolls! GRRRRAAWWWR!
Cripes, some people..
How many more mechanics do you need in order to shoot people? The only serious issue I'm aware of is the RR alts. And that's easily solved by killing them.
Cripes, some people...
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.07.18 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: Batolemaeus
Originally by: Zeba
that is completely due to misinformation spread by trolls
But of course! It's totally not due to
Originally by: Zeba
the lack of commitment from ccp to fix some of the more glaring issues
Or
Originally by: Zeba
standings mechanics and neutral rr using alts
Or
Originally by: Zeba
some serious game mechanic issues
No! It must be the trolls! GRRRRAAWWWR!
Cripes, some people..
This is one of the trolls kids. Mark him well.
Are there issues with fw game mechanics? Most certainly. Are they making fw unfun for pew pew? Not in the slightest as we are intelligent enough to work around most of them and have enough imagination to use the free wardec mechanic to its fullest and then some moar. I mean if fw was so broken that it was unplayable then why does fw generate on average the most pvp kills per day in the game when taking all 4 factions kills into account? There is pew pew available everywhere in fw at all hours of the day and its pew pew on every possible level unlike the normal blob only fleets of the major nullsec players. Quit being a jealous nullsec whiner and come join us. 
Originally by: Balsak
Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.07.18 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Eternum Praetorian
My Vote Goes To Rico Suave possibly one of the greatest singer song writers of the twentieth century.
I'm so grateful that style of ripped jeans never caught on.
My deepest sympathies.
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Shania Lynn
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Posted - 2010.07.18 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: Bane Necran
Originally by: Shania Lynn
Originally by: Bane Necran
You mean aside from CCP saying they have no plans to ever finish it?
Your source for this?
Supposedly something was said which led people to think so, but aside from that, just go look at the recent blog post detailing their future plans. If they do have any plans for FW, it's coming well after Incarna and DUST, and all kinds of other things. At the very best it might get revisited in 2-3 years.
Aye, good point mate.
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Annie Anomie
Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.18 17:57:00 -
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Aside from getting standing loss for RR'ing blinkies the stuff that is broken in FW is the plexing side of things.
Free wardec works fine.
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Jill Xelitras
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.07.19 15:03:00 -
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Originally by: Ratnix Foisen
Not everybody wants to PVP each and every time they log on.
I know, when I get home from work, I just want to run a couple of missions before I go to bed. If and when I do PVP it will be once I have established myself with a source of income that will allow me to replace my ships on a regular basis. Then once I have established an income I will PVP as my time allows me to.
Again, not everybody wants to PVP 100% of the time they are playing. Some people like to sit back and relax for a little bit doing mindless stuff.
If you want to PvP as your time allows it, then FW might be just the thing for you:
1) You can get fights 23hrs a day in the occupied low-sec regions.
2) In your empire's high-sec you are much safer then with ordinary war-decs, since the faction police goes after faction enemies.
The important part is: you don't have to pvp as soon as you log on. But targets and friendly pilots are available at all times.
I don't know what your current pvp experience is, but in low-sec you are better of with intel or a scout. FW gives you access to both if you want to.
J.
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Cailais
Amarr
THE ORDAINED
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Posted - 2010.07.19 15:40:00 -
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My experience of FW has been generally positive, so much so that I've actually returned to it. I have had some of the most fun PVP encounters there and its certainly worth a bash at if you want some easily accessible pvp without getting cut off from Empire.
That said some of the overall combat can be as laggy / blobby as Null Sec in certain places. The rewards arent great - this is a place to expend a few Tech 1 cruisers for fun, not your faction fitted Navy Apoc.
Provided you don't take FW too seriously its a good diversion for an evenings play.
C.
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