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Reldor Silverheart Gallente	Posted - 2010.07.19 11:33:00 - [1] So i just outfitted a ishkur for pve that i intend to use for missions. It's fitted to be against angel ships. Highs 3x Light neutrons 2 Salvager 1 (open slot here) Mids 2x cap rechargers 2 Republic fleet AB Lows EANM 2 Energized reactive membrane 2 Small armor repper 2 Rigs CCC Last rig is for when i can get a Small hybrid collison rig. Drones i use is warrior 2's since they are the drones of choice against angels. Now i wonder, those who got experience with flying an ishkur for level 3's and pve in generalm. What's the general tactic you use when you use this ship? How do you counter webbing frigs and do you let your drones loose or make them focus on the same target as you? Many thanks Reldor Silverheart
azrael211 Caldari Interstellar eXodus	Posted - 2010.07.19 12:08:00 - [2] It does really depend on youer skills most people use a passive shield tanked ishtar, mine does lvl 4 missions without dropping below 50% sheilds unless I am not paying attension. I also use sentry drones as the dmg out put is far higher than light drones and they will hit frigs and cruisers at their optimal ranges easily. I do carry light drones in case the frigs get really close. Highs: Tractor Beam Salvager 3 x 150mm auto cannons (these do not a lot of dmg but if just left on a close range frig they will pop it whilst my drones are popping the other stuff.) Meds: 4 x large shield extender II 1 x Omni directional Tracking link - You could drop one of the shield extenders for an after burner as on lvl 3 you will not need the buffer Lows: Shield Power relay II Rigs: Core Defence Field Purger I My main tactic is to kill off the frigs first as they seem to love shooting my drones and do the most dmg to them...then cruisers. If possible you can take all the frigs with sentry drones at optimal usually 1 or 2 volleys. If you can get t2 sentry drones then your laughing really. Cruisers its ok to let get closer to you as their sig radius is higher and you will still get good dmg under optimal. The main risk is if you start to loose drones....keep a close eye on them and pull them in if they start to take armor dmg. If you loose these your dead. The setup I use ia also virtually capless so if you get nos'd its not a problem. Podding is better than a 20 jump home
thatbloke Gallente	Posted - 2010.07.19 12:12:00 - [3] Haven't quite got to L3's yet but I'm using my Ishkur for L2's (working toward L3's) with a new corp and loving it... I personally go for a small shield booster in the midslot and use the shield as a buffer tank, recharging the shield between groups/rooms. Maybe slap an extender in too - I feel that on such a small ship using cap rechargers will not have any real effect. Kite everything until your drones have taken out the frigs/destroyers you're up against then just sail in to the bigger ships and they shouldn't be able to touch you. Obviously you need to at all costs prioritize anytihng that can web you, particularly those annoying towers that seem to have a massively LOL web range on them.. Using the shield tank means I can slap a Mag Stab or two in the lows, meaning more pewpew faster :) I'm not at my main PC so can't remember the precise fit I'm using off the top of my head but I intend to be using The funny thing about this sentence is that by the time you've finished reading it, it's too late for you to realise it doesn't say anything.
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2010.07.19 13:38:00 - [4] Originally by: azrael211 Ishkur is not an ishtar ;) Better use a myrmidon, i did quite some missions in an ishkur, but in the end it is very slow compared to a BC. Regarding your fitting, i think you got a bit large explosive hole, better use a hardener. (If that means you need more cap, fit a nos). I always used rails, guess depends a bit on ratio between frigs/cruisers/BCs in the mission what is better.
Reldor Silverheart Gallente	Posted - 2010.07.19 13:42:00 - [5] Edited by: Reldor Silverheart on 19/07/2010 13:43:08 Well i do use a myrmidon mainly, but i want to learn how to do pve in a faster vessel, my myrmidon can stand still and take a beating without much of a risk during level 3's for me, so i want to learn how to do missions and pve in general so i can play both styles of it. Otherwise i would stick to my myrmidon of course. My myrmidon tanks 612 against angel, which is more than enough for l3's.
Seith Silverstein Something Rotten	Posted - 2010.07.19 13:47:00 - [6] Level 3s can be a beast in a small ship. There are a lot of Frigates/Destroyers/Cruisers that just want to kill the hell out of you. A couple unlucky webs and bye-bye ship. Assault Ships are ****edly good at Level 1s and Level 2s. Also, if you use the appropriate Assault Ship for the Level 4 (remember each AF has a polarized resistance bonus, use it to your advantage) the battleships won't hit you hard enough to matter and you can technically run them. In Level 3s, I wouldn't take an Assault Ship into a mission without the appropriate polarized resistances - the Ishkur has a base 0% armor resistance to Explosive, and Angels do something like 60% explosive damage. Originally by:** CCP Soundwave I am literally the internet
Reldor Silverheart Gallente	Posted - 2010.07.19 13:50:00 - [7] Originally by: Seith Silverstein Level 3s can be a beast in a small ship. There are a lot of Frigates/Destroyers/Cruisers that just want to kill the hell out of you. A couple unlucky webs and bye-bye ship. Assault Ships are ******edly good at Level 1s and Level 2s. Also, if you use the appropriate Assault Ship for the Level 4 (remember each AF has a polarized resistance bonus, use it to your advantage) the battleships won't hit you hard enough to matter and you can technically run them. In Level 3s, I wouldn't take an Assault Ship into a mission without the appropriate polarized resistances - the Ishkur has a base 0% armor resistance to Explosive, and Angels do something like 60% explosive damage. You are correct that the gallente resist hole lies in explosive, it is however 10% and not 0%.
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions	Posted - 2010.07.19 14:41:00 - [8] Originally by: Reldor Silverheart Edited by: Reldor Silverheart on 19/07/2010 13:43:08 Well i do use a myrmidon mainly, but i want to learn how to do pve in a faster vessel, my myrmidon can stand still and take a beating without much of a risk during level 3's for me, so i want to learn how to do missions and pve in general so i can play both styles of it. Otherwise i would stick to my myrmidon of course. My myrmidon tanks 612 against angel, which is more than enough for l3's. I think you're on the right track, though I'd seriously consider looking at a shield tank. If you're up for some minor faction bling, this has worked for me: [Ishkur, passive shield plexkur] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Pseudoelectron Containment Field I Domination 1MN Afterburner Medium Shield Extender II Caldari Navy Explosion Dampening Field 75mm Gatling Rail II, Spike S 75mm Gatling Rail II, Spike S 75mm Gatling Rail II, Spike S Salvager I Small Core Defence Field Purger I Small Core Defence Field Purger I Hobgoblin II x5 Hobgoblin II x4 And yes, I tend to stick with hobs even against Angels. If you really want to go crazy, of course, you could take a Dramiel or a Daredevil out and absolutely wipe the field clean while definitely getting a feel for smaller, faster ships.
Jonna Bluemoon	Posted - 2010.07.19 15:02:00 - [9] Absolutely nothing can beat Drake with Ab in lvl3 missions. Ok, Tengu can, but that's just too much for them.
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions	Posted - 2010.07.19 15:24:00 - [10] Originally by: Jonna Bluemoon Absolutely nothing can beat Drake with Ab in lvl3 missions. Ok, Tengu can, but that's just too much for them. I'm pretty sure you're missing the point of the thread. Yes, both a Tengu and a NH can whip a Drake. Depending on the mission, either a Harbi or a Cane can outperform the same. As can a well-fit Dominix, actually, and so also the Ishtar. Having said all that, the Ishkur and the Dramiel are certainly more fun to fly in L3s. As is the Phantasm. I suspect a Vigilant would also be one hell of a good time if you're not counting ISK/hr and for some reason really want to run L3s.

Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.07.19 15:26:00 - [11] Just slap an oversized AB in there and orbit at 30-40km ù nothing can touch you. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Kiyoko Fume	Posted - 2010.07.19 15:26:00 - [12] Originally by: Jonna Bluemoon Absolutely nothing can beat Drake with Ab in lvl3 missions. Ok, Tengu can, but that's just too much for them. gila and ishtar beats it topic: try a passive worm. same dps as an ishkur, but way more tank and its faster i think.
Reldor Silverheart Gallente	Posted - 2010.07.19 15:39:00 - [13] Edited by: Reldor Silverheart on 19/07/2010 15:43:17 Edited by: Reldor Silverheart on 19/07/2010 15:42:53 I'll try shield fit but i can't really fit any t2 shield stuff right now sort of. I can fit most of the basic t1 shield stuff however, although my armor tanking skills are all t2. Thanks for the suggestion and i'll see what i can get out of it in EFT. And for the person suggesting a drake. I don't fly caldari, and i never will. Aswell as my myrm does well enough in missions. Can't fly a daredevil or dramiel, only about 7.2 million SP. This is my skillplan as i need to work some on my droneskills, also plan to get hybrid rigging up to 4 along with AWU4 to help me out during missions. http://eveboard.com/pilot/Reldor_Silverheart Edit: Forgot link
Footoo Rama Gallente Cast-a-Ways.	Posted - 2010.07.19 19:00:00 - [14] Originally by: Jonna Bluemoon Absolutely nothing can beat Drake with Ab in lvl3 missions. Ok, Tengu can, but that's just too much for them. HHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA this is why I love drake pilots, they think they are invincible in the OMG pwn boat of eve... Sure a drake will not die, but it takes forever to kill anything or has range issues. The Ishtar can project 550 dps(gila slightly less due to tank/sentry dmg mods) to 90km without using guns. A domi will pwn a drake in lvl3 missions, using less skill points then a drake, and a similar price. ------- "Because the Dominix is the Chuck Norris of Eve!"
Ansol Gallente Origin Synthetic Industries	Posted - 2010.07.19 21:53:00 - [15] Highs: 3x 125mm IIs 1x Whatever the heck you please, because why not? Meds: 1x AB II 2x Cap Charger II Lows: 2x Hardener II 1x Repper II Rigs: 2x CCC I think that's cap stable. I don't have EVE in front of me but I ran that for L2s and L3s to grind faction standing. If it isn't too bad. Alternatively try swapping the hardeners for passive modules, maybe. The dead remember our silence, The dead remember our indifference.
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions	Posted - 2010.07.19 22:07:00 - [16] Originally by: Ansol Highs: 3x 125mm IIs 1x Whatever the heck you please, because why not? Meds: 1x AB II 2x Cap Charger II Lows: 2x Hardener II 1x Repper II Rigs: 2x CCC I think that's cap stable. I don't have EVE in front of me but I ran that for L2s and L3s to grind faction standing. If it isn't too bad. Alternatively try swapping the hardeners for passive modules, maybe It's stable with all T2 and the empty high (barely). That's how I started L3s, actually. The shield tank option can put more damage down range though. This was my original armor tanked 125 Ishkur (for Serp mostly): [Ishkur, standard PvE] Small Armor Repairer II Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II 1MN Afterburner II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II 125mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge S 125mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge S 125mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge S [empty high slot] Small Capacitor Control Circuit I Small Capacitor Control Circuit I Slap in whatever you'd like in the last high and upgrade where ever you'd like for better performance. It can do basically any L3 if you pay attention.
Zilberfrid	Posted - 2010.07.19 22:30:00 - [17] [Ishkur, Angels] Damage Control II Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Tracking Enhancer II Medium Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II 1MN Afterburner II 125mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge S 125mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge S 125mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge S [empty high slot] Small Ancillary Current Router I Small Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer I Warrior II x5 12K ehp omni, but a lot higher vs kin/exp 159 dps without heat at 12km of which half from drones Very cap stable. ------------------------------------- I like to fly around and shoot stuff.
My Postman	Posted - 2010.07.20 09:17:00 - [18] Ok, this is my Angels Ishkur fitting: Lows: Damage Control II Co-Processor II Magnetic Field Stab II Med: 1 MN Afterburner II Small Supplemental Barrier Emitter Small Shield Extender II High: 3xLight Neutron Blaster II Drone Link Augmentor I Rigs: 2x Small Core Defence Field Extender I 5x Hobgobin II 4x Hornet EC 300 As this fitting is extreme tight on CPU because of the Drone Link Augmentor (i have WU 5, AWU 4) but i like the increase of control range, if you get rid of this you won¦t have to fit the CO-Processor and might go with a medium shield extender. I simpy kite at high range, never got a problem. In Missions where you are dirctly put onto a group of rats, the Blasters assist your drones with DPS. ECM Drones if some ganker feels to have an Ishkur killmail for gtfo. Hope this helps.
Newbi McNublette	Posted - 2010.07.20 09:37:00 - [19] I fly this for 1's and 2's, but have used ti in 3's and 4's when we have a frig Missioen fleet event. Ishkur - Passive Shield Damage Control II 2x Power Diagnostic System II Medium Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II 1MN Afterburner II 3x Light Ion Blaster II 2x Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Drones to suite mission.
Sibil Vane Minmatar	Posted - 2010.07.20 11:24:00 - [20] Try a rifter http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGEWEZeJ0VE All men are prepared to accomplish the incredible if their ideals are threatened.

Ghaylenty	Posted - 2010.07.20 15:27:00 - [21] Edited by: Ghaylenty on 20/07/2010 15:28:15 Edited by: Ghaylenty on 20/07/2010 15:27:58 Edited by: Ghaylenty on 20/07/2010 15:26:54 this is my ishkur i use for L2-L4 FW missions [Ishkur] Lows 2x Small Armor Repairer II Armor Explosive Hardener Mids 1mn AB II Small Cap Booster (cap booster 100x45 loaded) Warp Scram II Highs 3x Light Electron Blaster (void or CNA your choice, both work great, i prefer void for a tighter orbit) 1x Small Nos II Rigs 3x Aux. Nano pump tanks 112 kin/therm DPS per repper, perma runs one -without cap booster-, second one pulses pretty easily. 88 DPS tank per repper for omni dmg. 80 for explosive damage.jaguars and wolfs have to do more than 300 DPS to break this tank. cap booster is micro managed to ensure i don't run out of cap. this thing PWNS drakes hardcore. tiny sig radius, 160 dps, sustainable active tank = win pvp boat... just dont get anywhere near neutcanes or any BS with a heavy neut. i have tanked a torp raven in this and forced him to disengage me :)


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