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RollinDutchMasters	Posted - 2004.12.19 18:13:00 - [1] How exactly is one supposed to effectively retaliate in 15 minutes before the sentries decide to protect an aggressor again? The flagging timer needs to be raised to 24 hours, and sentry guns need to stop attacking flagged individuals. As it stands, waiting out flagging is fun for neither the aggressor or the retaliatior. Increase the time so that it's no longer a reasonable option to simply hide and wait for the window of opportunity for a victim to retaliate to close. Eliminate sentry gun response so that its no longer mandatory to hide, which benefits NOONE. Originally by: Sochin CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
RollinDutchMasters	Posted - 2004.12.19 18:13:00 - [2] How exactly is one supposed to effectively retaliate in 15 minutes before the sentries decide to protect an aggressor again? The flagging timer needs to be raised to 24 hours, and sentry guns need to stop attacking flagged individuals. As it stands, waiting out flagging is fun for neither the aggressor or the retaliatior. Increase the time so that it's no longer a reasonable option to simply hide and wait for the window of opportunity for a victim to retaliate to close. Eliminate sentry gun response so that its no longer mandatory to hide, which benefits NOONE. Originally by: Sochin CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
Vargrh	Posted - 2004.12.19 18:21:00 - [3] How I would have it, is an intial 15minute flagging to the specific gate a player was agressive at, but coupled with a 24 hour flag for that whole region to the victim/victims corp. As a pirate this would suit me down to the ground, as It would draw more victims to me... :P
Vargrh	Posted - 2004.12.19 18:21:00 - [4] How I would have it, is an intial 15minute flagging to the specific gate a player was agressive at, but coupled with a 24 hour flag for that whole region to the victim/victims corp. As a pirate this would suit me down to the ground, as It would draw more victims to me... :P
Neon Genesis	Posted - 2004.12.19 21:43:00 - [5] I'ts a really pointless feature, no fun for anyone,, and just makes everything generally more boring cos thers more w8ing around doin nuthin. __ There, i just contributed nothing to your thread
Neon Genesis	Posted - 2004.12.19 21:43:00 - [6] I'ts a really pointless feature, no fun for anyone,, and just makes everything generally more boring cos thers more w8ing around doin nuthin. __ There, i just contributed nothing to your thread
RollinDutchMasters	Posted - 2004.12.20 02:33:00 - [7] Originally by: Neon Genesis I'ts a really pointless feature, no fun for anyone,, and just makes everything generally more boring cos thers more w8ing around doin nuthin. Yeah. The current system of flagging makes absolutely no sense and the only practical effect is to suck 15 minutes away from the attacker. The game mandates that you hide where revenge cannot possibly find you until 15 minutes elapse, then you're back under the loving care of the sentry guns. On the flip side, 15 minutes is nowhere near long enough to obtain a replacement ship and fittings and come back for revenge in most situations. Even if you can make it back while your target is flagged, they have to wait a few minutes at most to be free from legal repercussions again. Its a really idiotic system that encourages ganking and discourages people from ever having a chance at revenge. Originally by: Sochin CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
RollinDutchMasters	Posted - 2004.12.20 02:33:00 - [8] Originally by: Neon Genesis I'ts a really pointless feature, no fun for anyone,, and just makes everything generally more boring cos thers more w8ing around doin nuthin. Yeah. The current system of flagging makes absolutely no sense and the only practical effect is to suck 15 minutes away from the attacker. The game mandates that you hide where revenge cannot possibly find you until 15 minutes elapse, then you're back under the loving care of the sentry guns. On the flip side, 15 minutes is nowhere near long enough to obtain a replacement ship and fittings and come back for revenge in most situations. Even if you can make it back while your target is flagged, they have to wait a few minutes at most to be free from legal repercussions again. Its a really idiotic system that encourages ganking and discourages people from ever having a chance at revenge. Originally by: Sochin CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
Cyrus XII	Posted - 2004.12.20 07:20:00 - [9] I vote against this measure. Just my $0.01 - You will miss 100% of the shots you do not take.
Cyrus XII	Posted - 2004.12.20 07:20:00 - [10] I vote against this measure. Just my $0.01 - You will miss 100% of the shots you do not take.
FoRGyL	Posted - 2004.12.20 07:50:00 - [11] Originally by: Vargrh How I would have it, is an intial 15minute flagging to the specific gate a player was agressive at, but coupled with a 24 hour flag for that whole region to the victim/victims corp. As a pirate this would suit me down to the ground, as It would draw more victims to me... :P Kinda sure he means that they will still fire at crimes they see but the feature that makes them shoot at crimes they don't see shall go away. And in my opinion aswell benefits everyone. -out- ********************************************************* Ohhhh iyayaayaya puff ohh iyaayaya puff puff PVR =Player vs Roid! Burr, scary peps!!!
FoRGyL	Posted - 2004.12.20 07:50:00 - [12] Originally by: Vargrh How I would have it, is an intial 15minute flagging to the specific gate a player was agressive at, but coupled with a 24 hour flag for that whole region to the victim/victims corp. As a pirate this would suit me down to the ground, as It would draw more victims to me... :P Kinda sure he means that they will still fire at crimes they see but the feature that makes them shoot at crimes they don't see shall go away. And in my opinion aswell benefits everyone. -out- ********************************************************* Ohhhh iyayaayaya puff ohh iyaayaya puff puff PVR =Player vs Roid! Burr, scary peps!!!
DoctorDanny	Posted - 2004.12.20 09:43:00 - [13] Signed
DoctorDanny	Posted - 2004.12.20 09:43:00 - [14] Signed
Jane Vladmir	Posted - 2004.12.20 09:49:00 - [15] Yes. I like you. I stroke your head. Idea = I like. We have a deal. TENFOURCAPTAIN
Jane Vladmir	Posted - 2004.12.20 09:49:00 - [16] Yes. I like you. I stroke your head. Idea = I like. We have a deal. TENFOURCAPTAIN
Feta Solamnia	Posted - 2004.12.20 10:10:00 - [17] 15 mins are all I need to find your safespot /me pets her scanner probes...
Feta Solamnia	Posted - 2004.12.20 10:10:00 - [18] 15 mins are all I need to find your safespot /me pets her scanner probes...
MoLeH	Posted - 2004.12.20 13:39:00 - [19] feta have u used your scanner probes yet ? cos if u use them to find a pirate you wont get to him befor ehte timer is over and your ship will be uber gimped having fitted 1 so you will be dead if you hang around to fight, if u dont hang around to fight the pirate will merely move somewhere else and scrap the safespot he was at. also i thought that scanner probes took 40 minutes to scan ? o and i aggree that sentries that did not see hte aggresion should not attack, and we should be flagged for longer. -------------------------------------- Do you see people in real life whining that their enjoyment was ruined by a shark when they went swimming in dangerous waters? - Viceroy
MoLeH	Posted - 2004.12.20 13:39:00 - [20] feta have u used your scanner probes yet ? cos if u use them to find a pirate you wont get to him befor ehte timer is over and your ship will be uber gimped having fitted 1 so you will be dead if you hang around to fight, if u dont hang around to fight the pirate will merely move somewhere else and scrap the safespot he was at. also i thought that scanner probes took 40 minutes to scan ? o and i aggree that sentries that did not see hte aggresion should not attack, and we should be flagged for longer. -------------------------------------- Do you see people in real life whining that their enjoyment was ruined by a shark when they went swimming in dangerous waters? - Viceroy
RollinDutchMasters	Posted - 2004.12.20 13:58:00 - [21] Originally by: Feta Solamnia 15 mins are all I need to find your safespot /me pets her scanner probes... Great, except your ship is dead (thats why hes flagged, right?) and the replacement is a few jumps away. Now you have exactly 15 minutes from when the last shot was fired before your target can just warp to a station and sit under the sentries. You are not going to have time, you wouldnt have time if you started looking the second he safespotted. Originally by: Sochin CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
RollinDutchMasters	Posted - 2004.12.20 13:58:00 - [22] Originally by: Feta Solamnia 15 mins are all I need to find your safespot /me pets her scanner probes... Great, except your ship is dead (thats why hes flagged, right?) and the replacement is a few jumps away. Now you have exactly 15 minutes from when the last shot was fired before your target can just warp to a station and sit under the sentries. You are not going to have time, you wouldnt have time if you started looking the second he safespotted. Originally by: Sochin CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
Madscotsman	Posted - 2004.12.20 14:04:00 - [23] Edited by: Madscotsman on 20/12/2004 14:06:16 Sorry Feta, I'd have to disagree with you there, they take time to set up and then wait on the results. Hello to you anyway, btw And I agree MoleH, I wouldn't have lost 2 ships the other day because I'm such a noob and forgot about the flagging
Madscotsman	Posted - 2004.12.20 14:04:00 - [24] Edited by: Madscotsman on 20/12/2004 14:06:16 Sorry Feta, I'd have to disagree with you there, they take time to set up and then wait on the results. Hello to you anyway, btw And I agree MoleH, I wouldn't have lost 2 ships the other day because I'm such a noob and forgot about the flagging
Cassendra	Posted - 2004.12.20 14:41:00 - [25] Erm what is this flagging bs about??? Go back to the way it was in June 03!! Director, Soldiers of Anarchy
Cassendra	Posted - 2004.12.20 14:41:00 - [26] Erm what is this flagging bs about??? Go back to the way it was in June 03!! Director, Soldiers of Anarchy
Feta Solamnia	Posted - 2005.01.07 10:00:00 - [27] Edited by: Feta Solamnia on 07/01/2005 10:04:05 ooh, just saw these replies, so here goes a bump: Some safespots are EXTREMILY easy to find, namely the ones made between two warpable objects. You can pretty much spot them from anywhere in the map an quickly go place 3au probes and locate them. Well, twice(or more) warped spots are tougher and the old hey-I-got-5-mwd spots are sometimes impossible to find. As for the "your ship will be dead" or the pirate moving, that's why I trained covert ops at lvl4 EDIT: oh, and I never meant that I'll be solo hunting the pirate, jeez I never do that... I'm a [filterAvoidance]female reproductive organ[/filterAvoidance]
Dian Cecht	Posted - 2005.01.07 11:03:00 - [28] Edited by: Dian Cecht on 07/01/2005 11:03:53 The sentry response to off grid aggression is a bit unbalanced in my view. The tagging is ok, but 15 minutes is a bit short. One option could be 15 minutes tagged for everyone. Then a subsequent time period where the aggressor is tagged to the victim or the victim's corp. Another option would be to stop the Station sentries from responding but leave the gate sentries on. This would effectively lock the aggressor into the system.
Frost88	Posted - 2005.01.07 11:52:00 - [29] Yea, it really sucks when you hunt down the only player in the system only to find he has stabs and then sit there summarising Proust for 15 minutes. ------------------------------------------------ I've always owned Kehmor, cheap as chips off Ebay
Marruni	Posted - 2005.01.07 21:13:00 - [30] 15 Minutes is enough for you to get your pod out of there.
Yurito	Posted - 2005.01.08 08:45:00 - [31] easy to log off for 15 minutes, drink some tea, and come back to kill some more O_o
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2005.01.08 09:52:00 - [32] Originally by: RollinDutchMasters How exactly is one supposed to effectively retaliate in 15 minutes before the sentries decide to protect an aggressor again? The flagging timer needs to be raised to 24 hours, and sentry guns need to stop attacking flagged individuals. As it stands, waiting out flagging is fun for neither the aggressor or the retaliatior. Increase the time so that it's no longer a reasonable option to simply hide and wait for the window of opportunity for a victim to retaliate to close. Eliminate sentry gun response so that its no longer mandatory to hide, which benefits NOONE. You might be able to answer a question for me: How, exactly, is a flagged player shown i.e both inspace and on the overview? Is he a flashing red bracket around his ship? LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Karch	Posted - 2005.01.08 10:48:00 - [33] well then what would be the point of sentry guns in the first place? it would just make low sec systems 0.0. the system is good how it is. cant believe you are whining about waiting 15 minutes =\ you either kill your victim before the sentries kill you or you dont. you either tank them or dont. how many of your victims actually come looking for you? most of you just gank noobs for the fun of it anyway. --- Was it good for you?
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2005.01.08 10:51:00 - [34] Originally by: Karch well then what would be the point of sentry guns in the first place? it would just make low sec systems 0.0. the system is good how it is. cant believe you are whining about waiting 15 minutes =\ you either kill your victim before the sentries kill you or you dont. you either tank them or dont. how many of your victims actually come looking for you? most of you just gank noobs for the fun of it anyway. I think he meant that sentry guns would respond to aggression only instead of just opening up on a flagged player even when the flagged player didn't cause aggression at that gate. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Tooshy	Posted - 2005.01.09 13:42:00 - [35] I like this idea. Sentry guns do have to fire on pilots who agressed at a gate, but when the agressing player attacked someone at a belt. Then there will be no sentry gun fire. This the way it should be. The 24 uur tag is also a good idea this way the victem gets the chance to get even.
Vampire Blade	Posted - 2005.01.09 13:47:00 - [36] i like it too, bump it up. ----- ----- -----
Nafri	Posted - 2005.01.09 15:52:00 - [37] mhh im in for it nothing different for me, I have -5.0 or more then for nearly a year now Wanna fly with me?
Nenmahet	Posted - 2005.01.09 17:19:00 - [38] Originally by: RollinDutchMasters How exactly is one supposed to effectively retaliate in 15 minutes before the sentries decide to protect an aggressor again? The flagging timer needs to be raised to 24 hours, and sentry guns need to stop attacking flagged individuals. As it stands, waiting out flagging is fun for neither the aggressor or the retaliatior. Increase the time so that it's no longer a reasonable option to simply hide and wait for the window of opportunity for a victim to retaliate to close. Eliminate sentry gun response so that its no longer mandatory to hide, which benefits NOONE. Dumbest idea ever created by man...
Dianabolic	Posted - 2005.01.09 17:53:00 - [39] Originally by: Nenmahet Originally by: RollinDutchMasters How exactly is one supposed to effectively retaliate in 15 minutes before the sentries decide to protect an aggressor again? The flagging timer needs to be raised to 24 hours, and sentry guns need to stop attacking flagged individuals. As it stands, waiting out flagging is fun for neither the aggressor or the retaliatior. Increase the time so that it's no longer a reasonable option to simply hide and wait for the window of opportunity for a victim to retaliate to close. Eliminate sentry gun response so that its no longer mandatory to hide, which benefits NOONE. Dumbest idea ever created by man... So, you think the current system is acceptable?
Xtro 2	Posted - 2005.01.09 23:04:00 - [40] Sentry's should do their thing for say 5 minutes, after that its plain old flagging to the area for a further hour for other players to react, there should be no intervention from belt attacks as the sentrys should only guard people at the warpgate system and the routes therein. __________________________________________ Hell is nothing more than an office with fluorecent lights.
RollinDutchMasters	Posted - 2005.01.09 23:19:00 - [41] Originally by: Nafri nothing different for me, I have -5.0 or more then for nearly a year now Me too. The reason that I'm a bit annoyed is that people in apocs and ravens take potshots at me rather often, when I'm flying around in a frigate. I come back in a battleship and they sit in station for 10 minutes and then undock and target me. And sit there. Its very annoying. Flagging right now is completely worthless. Its worthless for the person who attacks because its 15 minutes to sit and read a paper or flip through the forums. For the unlucky individual who was attacked its worthless because there is absolutely no time to effectively retaliate. Fix both problems. Up the flagging time and allow flagged people the chance to put themselves in harm's way, instead of enforcing safespotting until the sentries randomly decide that youre worthy of being protected and not attacked (a bit odd that the change is so drastic from one to the other). Originally by: Sochin CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
Vampire Blade	Posted - 2005.01.16 02:47:00 - [42] am i correct in saying i deserve a full ship reimbursement for this? [ 2005.01.16 01:39:13 ] (notify) For initiating combat your security status has been adjusted by -0.1000. [ 2005.01.16 01:39:14 ] (notify) You have started trying to warp scramble the Cruiser, "Galmore [4DC]". [ 2005.01.16 02:20:29 ] (combat) Guristas Infiltrator barely misses you. [ 2005.01.16 02:20:36 ] (notify) Can't navigate while warping [ 2005.01.16 02:21:09 ] (notify) Requested to dock at Passari V - Moon 8 - Lai Dai Corporation Factory station [ 2005.01.16 02:21:10 ] (notify) Setting course to docking perimeter [ 2005.01.16 02:21:14 ] (notify) Your docking request has been accepted. Your ship will be towed into station. [ 2005.01.16 02:25:06 ] (None) Undocking from Passari V - Moon 8 - Lai Dai Corporation Factory to Passari solar system. [ 2005.01.16 02:25:42 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Caldari Sentry Gun I places an excellent hit on you, inflicting 287.1 damage. [ 2005.01.16 02:25:46 ] (notify) Requested to dock at Passari V - Moon 8 - Lai Dai Corporation Factory station [ 2005.01.16 02:25:46 ] (notify) Ship is out of control please rightly assume that no other criminal activity in the time between shooting that guy and docking at the station. thanks. ----- ----- -----
Shayla Starlight	Posted - 2005.01.16 02:51:00 - [43] .... they can sense future crimes
Vampire Blade	Posted - 2005.01.16 02:53:00 - [44] fu alt :P i was helping my friends in the guristas pirate faction who were being massacred by the dozen by that guy. ----- ----- -----
RollinDutchMasters	Posted - 2005.01.17 03:45:00 - [45] The last time I petitioned a problem with the sentry guns, I was told the logs showed nothing wrong, and that my ship could not be reimbursed. Since apparently the logs failed to show that my ship was not destroyed, I suspect that they will not be able to show anything helpful to your problem. Originally by: Sochin CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
jamesw	Posted - 2005.01.17 04:34:00 - [46] I had a similar sentry problem. 1 hr after agression, I was trapped in station and every time I undocked, my noob ship got blown up. I filed a stuck petition and a GM moved me to the next system. Problem solved. -- jamesw Rubra Libertas Militia Originally by: RollinDutchMasters I fly a dominix, its like a portable blob in a can
Amiga A4000	Posted - 2005.01.17 07:14:00 - [47] Darn I thought the title said Flogging I was looking forward to a good read. Don't try to be a great man, just be a man and let history make it's own judgements.

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