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Greenruby	Posted - 2010.07.21 14:02:00 - [1] Ok, so you can fly a recon ship if you want at level 1. but you cant fit a cloak. so whats the point of being able to fly them if you cant even use them as intended? (im talking about the cloaking ships not the force recons.) Why isnt the cloaking CPU reduction part of the Cruser 5 requirement and not Recon skill. it kinda gives folse hope when your trainign to fly recons only to realise once there you cant acualy fit a ship unless you can recon 5.
Bernard Schuyler	Posted - 2010.07.21 14:11:00 - [2] Get better fitting skills? I'm pretty sure it will fit at Recon I, it just doesn't fit easily, no?
SurrenderMonkey	Posted - 2010.07.21 14:40:00 - [3] Originally by: Greenruby Ok, so you can fly a recon ship if you want at level 1. but you cant fit a cloak. so whats the point of being able to fly them if you cant even use them as intended? (im talking about the cloaking ships not the force recons.) Force recons are the cloaky ones. --------------- Faction-Militia:Player-Alliance::Newbie-corp:Player-corp
Mazlow Shartain After Hour Pub	Posted - 2010.07.21 14:44:00 - [4] Edited by: Mazlow Shartain on 21/07/2010 14:47:00 Originally by: Greenruby Ok, so you can fly a recon ship if you want at level 1. but you cant fit a cloak. so whats the point of being able to fly them if you cant even use them as intended? (im talking about the cloaking ships not the force recons.) Why isnt the cloaking CPU reduction part of the Cruser 5 requirement and not Recon skill. it kinda gives folse hope when your trainign to fly recons only to realise once there you cant acualy fit a ship unless you can recon 5. I fly an arazu fitted just fine with Recon ships at lvl 4. I think you may be doing something wrong. Recon 5 is well worth the time though.
omgevenmoarfreemoniez	Posted - 2010.07.21 14:44:00 - [5] Train recons 5 you noob.
Grek Forto Malevolent Intentions Dark Solar Empire	Posted - 2010.07.21 15:10:00 - [6] Edited by: Grek Forto on 21/07/2010 15:10:40 Why you would want to fly a Tech 2 ship without maxing out some of the more vital skills for the ship bonuses is beyond me.
FireT Gallente Royal Advanced Industries Imperial Crimson Legion	Posted - 2010.07.21 15:57:00 - [7] Originally by: Grek Forto Edited by: Grek Forto on 21/07/2010 15:10:40 Why you would want to fly a Tech 2 ship without maxing out some of the more vital skills for the ship bonuses is beyond me. Instant gratification.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.07.21 16:22:00 - [8] Originally by: Greenruby Why isnt the cloaking CPU reduction part of the Cruser 5 requirement and not Recon skill. Because the T1 hull doesn't have a cloaking bonus, and because the recon skill tweaks what the recon ship can do (which differ between force and combat recons). Quote: it kinda gives folse hope when your trainign to fly recons only to realise once there you cant acualy fit a ship unless you can recon 5. Not to be (entirely) snide butà research before you train? Oh, and just because Recon is one of those skills that are really worth-while to train to V doesn't mean that you can't do just fine with only Recon IV. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Boltorano Fourth Circle Total Comfort	Posted - 2010.07.21 17:22:00 - [9] Reporting in for the Recon IV is fine but Recon V is better crew.
Induc Amarr	Posted - 2010.07.21 17:40:00 - [10] Edited by: Induc on 21/07/2010 17:40:46 Originally by: Grek Forto Edited by: Grek Forto on 21/07/2010 15:10:40 Why you would want to fly a Tech 2 ship without maxing out some of the more vital skills for the ship bonuses is beyond me. Because spending 20+ days on a ship skill isn't worth it unless you know you'll be flying it a lot? Anyway, you can fit a recon good enough with recon IV, just have to make a few sacrifices when at the fitting screen.

Mona X Caldari C0VEN	Posted - 2010.07.21 17:54:00 - [11] Originally by: Induc Anyway, you can fit a recon good enough with recon IV, just have to make a few sacrifices when at the fitting screen. Or in wallet. Join Eve-Online, meet interesting people, grief them.
Aralieus Amarr The Inf1dels En Garde	Posted - 2010.07.22 02:10:00 - [12] Originally by: omgevenmoarfreemoniez Train recons 5 you noob. QFT, however not all Force Recons need lvl 5 to be viable in combat, for instance..I can fly my Pilgrim w/lvl 4 and still fit a pretty decent fit.
Greenruby	Posted - 2010.07.22 07:39:00 - [13] Originally by: Aralieus Originally by: omgevenmoarfreemoniez Train recons 5 you noob. QFT, however not all Force Recons need lvl 5 to be viable in combat, for instance..I can fly my Pilgrim w/lvl 4 and still fit a pretty decent fit. Care to shair said fit? because no matter how hard i try i cant get a fit to work resonably well with IV
Mutant Caldari Caldari Percussive Diplomacy	Posted - 2010.07.22 11:18:00 - [14] Originally by: omgevenmoarfreemoniez Train recons 5 you noob. Yeah I am a pirate. What are you gonna do about it? Killboard link is not allowed to be used in a signature.Applebabe
Logical Chaos	Posted - 2010.07.22 12:44:00 - [15] Originally by: Greenruby Originally by: Aralieus Originally by: omgevenmoarfreemoniez Train recons 5 you noob. QFT, however not all Force Recons need lvl 5 to be viable in combat, for instance..I can fly my Pilgrim w/lvl 4 and still fit a pretty decent fit. Care to shair said fit? because no matter how hard i try i cant get a fit to work resonably well with IV I guess you have Energized Adaptive Nano Membranes in the lows. Change to Dark Blood Adaptive Nano or similar (cost like 5mil each) and you got yourself 72 CPU with VERY small drawback. If further CPU is needed use named Stuff.
Aralieus Amarr The Inf1dels En Garde	Posted - 2010.07.22 14:07:00 - [16] [Pilgrim,Chaos] Damage Control II Medium Armor Repairer II Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 10MN Afterburner II Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800 Federation Navy Stasis Webifier True Sansha Warp Scrambler Tracking Disruptor II Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Small Energy Neutralizer II Small Energy Neutralizer II Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Medium Anti-Thermic Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Valkyrie II x5 Hammerhead II x5 Warrior II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Use drones to your own taste.
Durzel The Xenodus Initiative.	Posted - 2010.07.22 18:13:00 - [17] OP has a point really, CPU usage of a Covert Ops Cloaking Device II (10000 cpu) at Recon 1 (96% reduction) is 400, which is at least 90% of the total CPU on all Recons. It's actually more than the Pilgrim gets in total. Pre-req should be Recon 3 at least imo.
Dirk Mortice	Posted - 2010.07.22 18:54:00 - [18] Originally by: Aralieus [Pilgrim,Chaos] Damage Control II Medium Armor Repairer II Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 10MN Afterburner II Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800 Federation Navy Stasis Webifier True Sansha Warp Scrambler Tracking Disruptor II Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Small Energy Neutralizer II Small Energy Neutralizer II Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Medium Anti-Thermic Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Valkyrie II x5 Hammerhead II x5 Warrior II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Use drones to your own taste. Only one medium neut? argh...
Logical Chaos	Posted - 2010.07.23 11:42:00 - [19] Originally by: Dirk Mortice Originally by: Aralieus [Pilgrim,Chaos] Damage Control II Medium Armor Repairer II Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 10MN Afterburner II Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800 Federation Navy Stasis Webifier True Sansha Warp Scrambler Tracking Disruptor II Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Small Energy Neutralizer II Small Energy Neutralizer II Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Medium Anti-Thermic Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Valkyrie II x5 Hammerhead II x5 Warrior II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Use drones to your own taste. Only one medium neut? argh... Indeed. With decent Capskills you might want to skip that Cap Booster. The only time you have to perma-run your repper is as long as the enemy has drones out. But if you have a full flight of Hammerhead IIs or even worse, Ogre IIs on you, you want to pop them asap anyway, its not like you will want to agress ships that have a huge Drone bay anyway (well Myrm maybe, but seriously not a Dominix). The second you do not have to run the repper anymore (and you will not have to with 2 Tracking Disruptors) you are good to go for 4+min. If you really want to use a Cap Booster (can be handy against neuts obviously), just go with a Small one and use Cap Booster 150 Charges (can fit 2 in a Small Cap Booster). A Medium Cap Booster with 1 Neut is pointless. could just drop the Neut for autocannons .<
Exploding Tukey Gallente Capital Construction Research Pioneer Alliance	Posted - 2010.07.23 14:43:00 - [20] its funny how you assume you HAVE to be able to fly the recon incorrectly (level 1 skill level) when you also HAVE to have a cloak. you think a falcon is useless without a cloak? sure, it functions fine. But you lose on the 4 levels of +30% to ecm jammer strength (120% bonus to jammer strength) or 4 levels of 20% energy neut (80% neut bonus) so overall, there is no sense to even fly the ships at level 1 recon since you can do better (with no cloak and crap bonuses) with a battleship. <Signature Type="Clever" Width=100% Height=5 Edible="No" />

Aralieus Amarr The Inf1dels En Garde	Posted - 2010.07.24 00:37:00 - [21] Edited by: Aralieus on 24/07/2010 00:37:20 Originally by: Dirk Mortice could just drop the Neut for autocannons >.< Yes do that and let me know how it turns out
Brannor McThife Caldari Brotherhood of the Ancients	Posted - 2010.07.26 03:40:00 - [22] Originally by: FireT Originally by: Grek Forto Edited by: Grek Forto on 21/07/2010 15:10:40 Why you would want to fly a Tech 2 ship without maxing out some of the more vital skills for the ship bonuses is beyond me. Instant gratification. ...for everyone you fight. -G
Chesty McJubblies	Posted - 2010.07.26 11:32:00 - [23] Originally by: omgevenmoarfreemoniez Train recons 5 you noob.
Greenruby	Posted - 2010.07.26 12:26:00 - [24] wel i have used it with elvel 4 and its been great fun, i would like to take it to 5 but thats a ~30ish day skill and its only ot use 1 and a half ships. id much rather get AWU 5 or BC 5 and have a ton more options. Yes im a noob thanks!


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