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Niccolado Starwalker
Gallente
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2010.07.24 02:04:00 -
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 Originally by: Ori Blake
...because according to Massively, Star Wars: The Old Republic just confirmed they will have space combat.
It looks like it's going to be an alternate form of PvE, but considering how many players in EVE solely do PvE in empire it looks like there might be a game for all the soloists, casuals, and carebears to go to. I wonder how this might affect upcoming development: does it still make sense to try and get more casuals and retain current ones through PI and Incarna, or will the game shrink back to a more hardcore focus? Either way, good luck CCP in responding to what may come from this.
SWOTR? Oh. You mean the game where you only have 1 race and 4 different classes which comes in 2 flavors each?
Originally by: Dianabolic
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Ascendic
Brotherhood of Suicidal Priests
R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.07.24 02:55:00 -
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Edited by: Ascendic on 24/07/2010 02:55:43
Originally by: Liang Nuren
I should disclose that I will be signing up for a SWTOR account. :)
-Liang
Good. One less QQ fail poster to worry about.
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Penjual Sayur
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Posted - 2010.07.24 05:36:00 -
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SWTOR...lol if they dont have jedis/sith in it i'll probably play it. Alas, i hate jedis/sith/the force soo much. i'm staying
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Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.07.24 05:50:00 -
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Originally by: mechtech
SW:TOR is a story driven MMO, pre-made content laden mmo. It's absolutely the farthest possible an mmo can be away from eve, they aren't competing in the slightest.
Plus, it might work.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
DaReaper
Net 7
The Last Brigade
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Posted - 2010.07.24 05:53:00 -
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Well it could also increase the number of people who play eve. As some may go to SWTOR and then want to try a more complex sci-fi mmo. OR it could force ccp to do something nifty to keep us here. Competition is good.
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Gneeznow
Minmatar
Ship spinners inc
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Posted - 2010.07.24 06:08:00 -
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Originally by: Ascendic
Edited by: Ascendic on 24/07/2010 02:55:43
Originally by: Liang Nuren
I should disclose that I will be signing up for a SWTOR account. :)
-Liang
Good. One less QQ fail poster to worry about.
bleh he done the same for some other wow clone that failcascaded and then came back to eve as an even worse whiner than before
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Tarasina
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Posted - 2010.07.24 06:15:00 -
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Originally by: mechtech
SW:TOR is a story driven MMO, pre-made content laden mmo. It's absolutely the farthest possible an mmo can be away from eve, they aren't competing in the slightest.
Sounds just like missions in Eve, pre-made, story-driven (supposed to at least), always the same yadda yadda.
I'm really excited about SWTOR, first time I saw videos of it today.
I'm not here for space combat, I'm here for better longevity than singleplayer games in terms of content.
I couldn't care less that it is Star Wars, not really a fan but a good game is a good game, Bioware hasn't disappointed me yet (EVER, since Baldurs Gate 1).
It looked fluid and fun, actionpacked, couple new things (can take cover). GIMME!
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Odieth
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Posted - 2010.07.24 06:33:00 -
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I find it pretty amusing that some posts ive read in this thread have been bashing sw:tor, since it only has about five to ten times the following that this game has and it has not even been released yet. Oh wait and its not almost a decade old. While it's very true that the style of the game will not be appealing to most "sandbox" player's it will have at least the depth of class specing that wow currently has. And from what i've seen it will have a good deal more depth in that regard.
Also if the space combat rumor is true it will be a welcome addition to making the game feel less like wow and alot more sci fi. Which is a bad bad thing for eve, as it will no longer be the only "internet space ships" game around PLUS it will allow you to have all the good things wow had ie: ground questing, crafting, pve,pvp, i hear itll have RvR and/or territorial PvP goals akin to WAR or dare i say it that last crappy FF game that was a MMO that though it was not my cup of tea i thought was an original idea at the time.
oh and plus they'll have internet space ships...I hope its like tie fighter was back in the day cause that game was seriously kick a$$! Oh and wait it also has fully VO story telling? My god. I don't have to read i can just listen cause im a lazy gamer? the hell you say?...and bioware the creator's of mass effect is doing this?
What this mean's for eve? I would imagine will at least take a good chunk out of the player base that really likes PVE, also it's comming from a top notch game developer, always a good sign. I mean honestly Eve might not have been afraid of a game studio like Cryptic, but lol honestly you simply can not compare the two game studio's.
i forsee sad day's comming for eve online. my personal oppionion its true.
sad panda :)
now if i were CPP i would be feeling like a little child in the psycologist's office being asked by the doctor to show me where the big bad bioware touched them on the dolly before this game goes teet's up
SW:ToR will not be like eve as it shouldn't be unless you only ever want to have 50,000 gamer's online at a time...instead of millions...
Just my 2 cent's you may continue your trolling now :)
P. S. this is my main you can hunt me down at will since as im hardly ever on will be a trick but you l33t pvp'ers out there should have no trouble :) here's to ruining you precious game time :P suckers.
Ps i am having trouble writing this as everytime i punch in a character my screen goes nuts and i can't tell what the hell im writing it's almost as if CPP dosen't want this msg to get out? maybe they could put this on their list of things to fix in the next 18 - 4 months?
oh one last thing SW:tor will be out by spring of 2011 for those of you that can't see the writing on the wall
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Mixed Signals
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.24 07:28:00 -
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Originally by: Odieth
I find it pretty amusing that some posts ive read in this thread have been bashing sw:tor, since it only has about five to ten times the following that this game has and it has not even been released yet.
Are you saying that everyone who follows the game is gonna buy it? How cool!
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Oh wait and its not almost a decade old. While it's very true that the style of the game will not be appealing to most "sandbox" player's it will have at least the depth of class specing that wow currently has. And from what i've seen it will have a good deal more depth in that regard.
You discuss depth while making a character and then you compare it to WoW. Bad. Atleast you could have picked something like LoTRO or something maybe?
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Also if the space combat rumor is true it will be a welcome addition to making the game feel less like wow and alot more sci fi. Which is a bad bad thing for eve, as it will no longer be the only "internet space ships" game around
Are you kidding me? Do you know how many "internet spaceships" games there are or are launching soon? Jumpgate Evolution, Black Prophecy, Infinity: Quest for Earth, Vendetta Online and I can probably name 5-6 more. But actually Infinity is more or less vaporware, and if it werent, EVE should be scared(said in a Odieth voice-over)
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PLUS it will allow you to have all the good things wow had ie: ground questing, crafting, pve,pvp, i hear itll have RvR and/or territorial PvP goals akin to WAR or dare i say it that last crappy FF game that was a MMO that though it was not my cup of tea i thought was an original idea at the time.
Star Trek Online does all of that. Even RvR I think with Klingons? Not sure.
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oh and plus they'll have internet space ships...I hope its like tie fighter was back in the day cause that game was seriously kick a$$!
Didnt you mention something about EVE being almost a decade old game? How old is Tie Fighter exactly? Hell I am all for an awesome space combat game, but to make like a generation old game? No thanks. Should be more like Freelancer imo.
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Oh and wait it also has fully VO story telling? My god. I don't have to read i can just listen cause im a lazy gamer? the hell you say?...and bioware the creator's of mass effect is doing this?
Whoa! What a leap in technology this is! If only the Command and Conquer series and Red Alert series could have thought of this last decade! Man! If only!
Personally though, I turn off the voice in almost any MMO I play, but then again, thats me and my silly opinions.
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What this mean's for eve? I would imagine will at least take a good chunk out of the player base that really likes PVE, also it's comming from a top notch game developer, always a good sign. I mean honestly Eve might not have been afraid of a game studio like Cryptic, but lol honestly you simply can not compare the two game studio's.
Unless SW:TOR is completely free-to-play or CCP does some kind of a major screwup(NGE kinds) thats quite unlikely, not impossible but highly unlikely.
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i forsee sad day's comming for eve online. my personal oppionion its true.
sad panda :)
Can I haz your stuff?
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SW:ToR will not be like eve as it shouldn't be unless you only ever want to have 50,000 gamer's online at a time...instead of millions...
Yea because WoW does have millions online at the same time right? Right? Doesnt EVE have the biggest supercluster in terms of servers? Or has that standing changed? Dont know for sure.
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oh one last thing SW:tor will be out by spring of 2011 for those of you that can't see the writing on the wall
Well I'll be damned! Atleast its gonna release before the end of the world in 2012.
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Jennifer Fenring
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.07.24 11:03:00 -
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Edited by: Jennifer Fenring on 24/07/2010 11:05:20
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Well we'll see how it ends up.
It's also a matter of taste but let's at least not pretend that EVE is perfect and couldn't use a lot of improvements. PvE and mining in EVE (the 2 main activities since the majority is still highsec carebear) aren't all that revolutionary and the game really has so (too) much unexciting semi-afk activities.
I wouldn't put my money on it but if Biomass delivers (and that's really hard to do in the mmmo world) I'm afraid a lot of EVE people will leave for greener pastures.
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Famble
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.07.24 11:19:00 -
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I didn't realize there could only be one MMO on the market at a time...
Eve will be fine, Old Republic looks cool too. I'll probably play both, just like the rest of you.
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Xessej
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Posted - 2010.07.24 14:14:00 -
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I played SW:G. No matter how hard people try to pretend otherwise the fact is Lucasfilm was behind most of the things that were wrong in the game. SW:TOR will get the same treatment since no one at Lucasfilm ever learns from their mistakes.
IOW TOR will fail and fail hard because new content has to be approved by Lucasfilm and they will delay every expansion and will try to force game play to adhere to some ideal rather than making the game playable.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.07.24 14:29:00 -
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Tbh, I don't see the draw of SW:TOR. 
Nothing remotely useful or fun has come out of the Star Wars franchise since Tie Fighter, and this only sounds like a dolled up bot-mashing grindfest. The only glimmer of hope is that BioWare logo, but the LucasArt logo creates such a mountain of worry and wincing that any such hope isà wellà hopelessly crushed.
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
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Bonny Lee
Caldari
Starkstrom
Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.07.24 15:03:00 -
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LvL-Based PvE-Focus MMORPGs are never a challenge to EvE-Online regardless if they are fantasy or in space.
Yes, people will leave EvE-Online to play some month of Starwars... but they will not cancel their accounts,
cause if they come back (when it gets boring like any other PvE-Centric MMOG) they will have some nice SP and
are able to fly new stuff.
So i dont see a challenge cause EvE has no problemns to be the second MMOG of players for some time. You can
limit your playtime but still keep advancing.
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Norian Lonark
Gallente
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.24 15:32:00 -
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When I first started following Star Wars I was quite interested, but the more I see of it the more im just meh it looks like everything else thats out there.
I sometimes have a play of other games, but I wont cancel my EVE subscription eve has me hooked and I think for most people when they are hooked its hard to get away, I haven't played anything else for as long as I have played EVE and with all the interesting stuff coming up I dont think that will change.
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Ran Khanon
Amarr
Swords Horses and Heavy Metal
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Posted - 2010.07.24 15:37:00 -
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Swtor will probably be a lot about linear progression with a couple of side tracks which are also very much predetermined. Nice for story / pve / single player game lovers but not so much for those who want to be left to themselves in a vast world with a myriad of choices and a path which you will have to make yourself with all the talents and intelligence you've got.
I always seem to get bored with restrictions, hand holding and linear progression within a few months in most mmorpgs catering for a wide target audience. Sure, it will suck up some EVE players for at least a while but that goes for every other existing mmorpg with monthly fees.
We have yet to see if this space part to SWTOR will include pvp for instance. And if so; will it be open world pvp with random encounters or instanced in a battleground format? Personally I think PERHAPS the latter at best.
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Mal Lokrano
Gallente
The Executives
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.24 18:42:00 -
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Posting in an Eve is dying (again) thread.
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jk scowling
Sane Industries Inc.
Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.07.24 19:15:00 -
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oh another star wars game, can we all be jedi??
It sounds about as far from a sandbox as you can get. I doubt this will be a threat to eve, much as STO wasn't
/yawn
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clixoras
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Posted - 2010.07.25 07:26:00 -
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cough.. vaguely remembers star trek online.. to boldly go where no-one went.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.07.25 07:47:00 -
[50]
Originally by: clixoras
cough.. vaguely remembers star trek online.. to boldly go where no-one went.
More a case of to boldly split infinitives go where everyone else has already gone ù a place they've all already grown tired of.
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.07.25 13:29:00 -
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If they go too far in the whole "OMG LIGHTSABERS" direction i won't even consider playing it, but if it's more like Mass Effect i'll be very tempted.
And yeah, EA says it's their biggest project yet, which really means something coming from them. The next couple years will be sink or swim for EVE.
My deepest sympathies.
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Illwill Jill
Gallente
Nifelhem
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Posted - 2010.07.25 13:35:00 -
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I would have preferred if they (Bioware) had made a proper MMO of the Dragon age universe.
The problem is that the MMO market is oversaturated, and the Sci-fi niche is the one with the most space avalable.
Fantasy MMO's are 20 a dozen nowadays, and STO's failure showed how hard it is for a new MMO to compete with the existing ones, even in the Sci-fi genre.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.07.25 13:40:00 -
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Originally by: Illwill Jill
Fantasy MMO's are 20 a dozen nowadays, and STO's failure showed how hard it is for a new MMO to compete with the existing ones, even in the Sci-fi genre.
I'd say that the lesson from STO is that "genre" isn't useful qualifier for MMOs and that "franchise" is not a recipe for successà
What matters is gameplay in its various incarnations: mechanics, play styles (RPG, FPS, RTS), content, etc. etc. etc. For all its horrendous faults, EVE is very well placed in all these categories, and that explains its longevity and fanatic following.
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
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Selig Vulpes
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Posted - 2010.07.25 13:52:00 -
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Edited by: Selig Vulpes on 25/07/2010 13:52:44
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I played SW:G. No matter how hard people try to pretend otherwise the fact is Lucasfilm was behind most of the things that were wrong in the game. SW:TOR will get the same treatment since no one at Lucasfilm ever learns from their mistakes.
Actually, I can't find it, but I read that Lucas Arts was pushing Bioware to get SW:TOR out by this Christmas so they could make money at the expense of quality - as usual. Bioware refused. Lucas Arts threatened to hand the entire thing over to EA instead if they didn't do it. Bioware called their bluff, pretty much saying, "Fine, then do it." Lucas Arts backed down.
No, Bioware isn't letting Lucas Arts screw this one up.
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Lord Xantoh
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Posted - 2010.07.25 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: Ori Blake
...because according to Massively, Star Wars: The Old Republic just confirmed they will have space combat.
It looks like it's going to be an alternate form of PvE, but considering how many players in EVE solely do PvE in empire it looks like there might be a game for all the soloists, casuals, and carebears to go to. I wonder how this might affect upcoming development: does it still make sense to try and get more casuals and retain current ones through PI and Incarna, or will the game shrink back to a more hardcore focus? Either way, good luck CCP in responding to what may come from this.
These armchair analysts always make me laugh... Since nobody asked yet: Can I haz your stuffz ? 
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Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.07.25 14:20:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Xantoh
Originally by: Ori Blake
...because according to Massively, Star Wars: The Old Republic just confirmed they will have space combat.
It looks like it's going to be an alternate form of PvE, but considering how many players in EVE solely do PvE in empire it looks like there might be a game for all the soloists, casuals, and carebears to go to. I wonder how this might affect upcoming development: does it still make sense to try and get more casuals and retain current ones through PI and Incarna, or will the game shrink back to a more hardcore focus? Either way, good luck CCP in responding to what may come from this.
These armchair analysts always make me laugh... Since nobody asked yet: Can I haz your stuffz ?
What part of the analysis did you disagree with?
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Khavi Kitamatsu
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Posted - 2010.07.25 18:00:00 -
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I do not play in low-sec or null sec. I am a high-sec casual player. With all the suicide ganking and crap that takes place in high-sec you can rest assured I am checking out SW:ToR because it will have the PvE I seek. If I wish to play PvP I'll play BF2, MW2 or Mount and Blade Warband. PvP in EVE favors the veteran player in both high-sec and lower. Why should I waste my time playing in a game that doesn't provide the PvE experience I wish to have? If CCP cannot provide it I'm going to a game that can...oh and that'll be two accounts I'll be taking with me when I do leave.
I might change my mind if Incarna is decent and CCP stops giving suicide gankers a free ride.
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Urgg Boolean
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Posted - 2010.07.25 21:34:00 -
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SW:ToR is not the only competition for EvE's player base. At some point JumpGate Evolution will be released, so player s can choose betweem EvE, SW:ToR, STO, JGE.
The other factor that many here discount is the really nasty attitude of the Carebear Haters Club. That attitude puts off many potentially loyal players, and the attitude is "good riddance to them" and "this is a sandbox" and "can I haz yur stuffz" ??? Most people simply do not think constantly monitoring for murderers is fun, and yet, that is the reality of the sandbox.
I also think EvE's supposed complexity is way overrated. It's more like tedium than complexity. Figuring out how to actually make T2 parts is an example of discouraging new players, as well as the skills system that takes literally years to make significant progress.
I think there will be many players who leave EvE for new games and never look back, some will try other games and come back, but only the EvE fanatics are too condescending to bother trying other games... The EvE fanatics will hear none of this.
All this, but it is not the biggest problem. Attracting new players in view of the new competition is a far bigger problem. Some say EvE is growing, albeit slowly. Does anyone really think this trend will continue when potential new players have many choices that do not involve interaction with gank squads (think Hulkageddon) ? You will not see people emoragequit, you simply won't see them at all.
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Shawna Gray
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.07.25 22:17:00 -
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Edited by: Shawna Gray on 25/07/2010 22:17:50
Originally by: Urgg Boolean
All this, but it is not the biggest problem. Attracting new players in view of the new competition is a far bigger problem. Some say EvE is growing, albeit slowly. Does anyone really think this trend will continue when potential new players have many choices that do not involve interaction with gank squads (think Hulkageddon) ? You will not see people emoragequit, you simply won't see them at all.
Yes because believe it or not beeing original actually has value. Its unlikely that EVE gets any real competition anytime soon as none of the other mmo's really try to provide what EVE does.
Having played a crapton of mmo's both scifi and fantasy i can safely say that everyone offers pretty much the same grind as the first mmos released. The only one that has a different focus that i have played is EVE. I'd happily move to another mmo if i found something that offers what EVE does, or something original. So far i havent heard of, or seen any candidate.
Doing quests and similar crap just isnt fun or remotely challenging in a mmo. Single player games offer (not surprisingly) a much much better single player experience. PVE based mmo's give up so much to become "multiplayer" without actually using any of the strongpoints of a mmo.
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CeneUJiti
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Posted - 2010.07.25 22:34:00 -
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18 months, that's the maximum time EVE has left to live.
Pure carebears will soon start leaving for other games, CCP will try to keep them by adding more and more carebear stuff and making it safe. CCP being CCP they will completely fail at retaining leaving carebars and only alienate the sadists and griefers, eventually they to start leaving, CCPs shareholders ROI drops below acceptable and EVE dies.
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