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Dork Blade
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Posted - 2010.07.26 03:38:00 -
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I think, after doing a lot of personal and interesting research, that obesity is caused by the intake of dairy products, including things such as milk, eggs, butter, and even to a lesser extent products containing any dairy such as bread. If you have extra body fat and don't look like an athlete model, you should probably consider not eating any dairy, while continuing to eat plenty of meat, a variety of fruits, vegetables, and whole plants, and also I'm a big fan of eating yeast, which is rarely found without dairy mixed in, and yeast can be eaten mixed with water or as a seasoning.
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Arvald
Caldari
The Lumberjacks
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Posted - 2010.07.26 03:52:00 -
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Edited by: Arvald on 26/07/2010 03:53:08
stop eating fast food stop drinking soda eat less exercise more quit being a lazy fat ****, there ya go cure for obesity
also yeah cut out dairy products if you want brittle bones and joint problems later in life.
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.26 03:58:00 -
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 Originally by: Arvald
Edited by: Arvald on 26/07/2010 03:53:08
stop eating fast food stop drinking soda eat less exercise more quit being a lazy fat ****, there ya go cure for obesity
also yeah cut out dairy products if you want brittle bones and joint problems later in life.
Ah yes, the Don't Eat So Much diet 
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Dork Blade
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Posted - 2010.07.26 04:06:00 -
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Edited by: Dork Blade on 26/07/2010 04:06:27
On a side note, I do recommend eating the entire animal, particularly smaller animals, if possible. Small animal bones contain many different nutrients than the flesh, as do the organs. Also good is tons of water and plenty of salt.
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stoicfaux
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Posted - 2010.07.26 04:19:00 -
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Talk to a dietician and develop a meal plan (how many calories/carbs/protein you should consume based on your body weight/ideal BMI.) Learn to count/estimate carbs and protein servings. Use a little will power and *poof*, you'll shed those pounds that come from eating too much food.
Ex: a 12oz Mountain Dew has *three* servings of carbs (15g = 1 serving.) That's basically a bowl of spaghetti. Whatever carbs you don't burn, get stored as body fat. How many sodas/bowls of spaghetti/body fat a day do you drink?
It takes 3500 calories to create a pound of body fat. A 12 oz Mountain Dew has 170 calories. 3500/170 = 20.5 sodas. So if you drink three MDs a day, that's a pound a week you're adding on.
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Dork Blade
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Posted - 2010.07.26 05:57:00 -
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I have heard that all the popular current cures for obesity are ineffective, and the medical community openly claims to be clueless about it?
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Legion
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Posted - 2010.07.26 06:30:00 -
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Originally by: Dork Blade
I think, after doing a lot of personal and interesting research, that obesity is caused by the intake of dairy products, including things such as milk, eggs, butter, and even to a lesser extent products containing any dairy such as bread.
Confirming eggs are a dairy product and come from a milk producing animal.
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2010.07.26 06:47:00 -
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It's all a factor of calories in vs. calories burned. Intake more calories than you burn and you will put on weight.
They asked some tri-athletes what their special diet was and they said "anything". It didn't matter what they ate. They burned so many calories that it just didn't matter.
The real problem - is why you have a imbalance in your calorie intake and burn off.
If you have a job that burns a lot of calories ... then you don't have to go to the gym. The thing is ... a lot of people, especially people with children ... have to make a choice between taking care of themselves and taking care of their kids. So they take care of the kids and get fat (or at least fatter than they would otherwise be).
In any case - there is no one diet/exercise plan that is right for everyone ... which is why there are so many. What you have to do - is to come to understand how your body works - not how someone elses body works - and then adjust what you are doing based on that.
Age and health problems make things more difficult.
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.26 07:23:00 -
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Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk
It's all a factor of calories in vs. calories burned. Intake more calories than you burn and you will put on weight.
They asked some tri-athletes what their special diet was and they said "anything". It didn't matter what they ate. They burned so many calories that it just didn't matter.
The real problem - is why you have a imbalance in your calorie intake and burn off.
If you have a job that burns a lot of calories ... then you don't have to go to the gym. The thing is ... a lot of people, especially people with children ... have to make a choice between taking care of themselves and taking care of their kids. So they take care of the kids and get fat (or at least fatter than they would otherwise be).
In any case - there is no one diet/exercise plan that is right for everyone ... which is why there are so many. What you have to do - is to come to understand how your body works - not how someone elses body works - and then adjust what you are doing based on that.
Age and health problems make things more difficult.
We had a grunt in my platoon that was about 280 lbs. I mean fat as hell, no matter how long we were out in the field or how little chow we had he stayed the same... it was weird.
We're talking USMC infantry here 
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M'ktakh
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Posted - 2010.07.26 08:36:00 -
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Originally by: Intense Thinker
We had a grunt in my platoon that was about 280 lbs. I mean fat as hell, no matter how long we were out in the field or how little chow we had he stayed the same... it was weird.
We're talking USMC infantry here
Not completely surpsrising. You see, your body never works of 100% efficiency (its designed that way, and thats how it should be). For example, if you have an intake of lets say 2300 kcal (and people, you eat KILOcalories, not calories), and a usage of 2000, then your body wont turn all the 300 into fat, only a portion of it, and some part gets thrown away, aka shat/****ed out.
Not, if you either up the usage or reduce the intake, then your body increases its efficiency, and throws away less and less nutriens. This is partly why some diets come with a rather high weight loss early on, and then you lose less and less, as your body adapts to the reduced intake.
I suppose thats what happened with your pal. He might have a very low base metabolism (or some sleep apnea, that causes massive weight gain), and that coupled with a famine mode body, and a moderate intake (lets say 1500 kcal) can maintain your weight for a long time.
And the problem with any diet is that due to this increase in efficeincy, your body will get a part of your lost wieght back the moment you switch back to your earlier eating habits.
I myself have about 5 kg of excess weight (sadly, its conregated around my gut), and base dieting only stopped me from gaining more. I tried to look into more complex diets, but all have "eat a lot of fruit, and don't drink milk", and neither appeals to me.
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Vogue
Skynet Nexus
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Posted - 2010.07.26 08:47:00 -
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In my experience the best diets are stress and flu  I find that no snacking between breakfast, lunch and dinner keeps my weight down. Still got a bit of a belly but that should eventually go.
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Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2010.07.26 08:58:00 -
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There is no cure. Modern diets are so horrible, highly processed and highly contaminated with chemicals that the butter, milk eggs and etc. of our forefathers are better, healthier and more nutritious. Eating a lot of fatty products will not make someone fat or obese, contrary to popular beliefs - the French, the Inuit, the Masai would beg to differ.
The real culprits are refined carbohydrates sources such as sugar and white flour. You can completely eliminate sugar from your diet by training your tastebuds to drinking coffee/tea/chocolate drinks without sugar. Also abstain from any sort of processed drinks, including any processed fruit juices that you get from the supermarket.
White flour is a little harder to eliminate since it's in everything. If you've got iron discipline, go for it. If not, your best course of action is to moderate your intake and swap to healthier alternatives like whole wheats, sourdoughs etc..... for the rest of your life.
If you're into healthy eating, I'd checkout this website.
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M'ktakh
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Posted - 2010.07.26 09:46:00 -
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The problem with comparing modern fat intake with inuit/masai/etc populations is that they had tens of generations to weed out the genetic stock that was not adapted to their fat-rich diet. We dont.
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ceaon
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Posted - 2010.07.26 09:51:00 -
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Originally by: Arvald
Edited by: Arvald on 26/07/2010 03:53:08
stop eating fast food stop drinking soda eat less exercise more quit being a lazy fat ****, there ya go cure for obesity
also yeah cut out dairy products if you want brittle bones and joint problems later in life.
this also remember that to get the information about how much full is your stomach your nervous system need 20 min so your should eat slower and any meal should last 40 min so you dont introduce to much food in your stomach and make it larger also masticate your food very well this sounds stupid but really helps
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Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2010.07.26 10:08:00 -
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Originally by: M'ktakh
The problem with comparing modern fat intake with inuit/masai/etc populations is that they had tens of generations to weed out the genetic stock that was not adapted to their fat-rich diet. We dont.
Genetics do play a part, how big a part, we don't know. Consider American Indians or even Inuits who adopted modern eating habits, heck you can even look at the Japanese modern day diets - all show increases in obesity and diseases. That sort of disproves that genetics having the greater influence. Check out the link from my previous post .. particular the category on diseases of civilization, kitava and kuna.
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Vogue
Skynet Nexus
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Posted - 2010.07.26 10:11:00 -
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There is one universal constant. Anywhere in the world there is a McDonalds you will find fat people in it. This is particulary noticeable in France who generally have a thinner population than other countries
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Ressiv
Cooperative Freelance Navigators Association
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Posted - 2010.07.26 10:15:00 -
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Tot all the people that think they got the one cure for obesity: forget it.
Factors that play a smaller or larger role:
- mental wellbeing
- glands and if they work like they shoud (not too fast/slow/etc)
- digestive body type
- etc.
Good luck eating less carbs in these cases and losing weight. Try no to die.
I dont gain a pound even I trie to. I can eat whatever the **** I want and then some, ans stay @ the same weight. Yeah, flying a desk.
So please educate yourself better before you think you have the one-fix-all cure for somehting that has a lot more causes then are being accounted for by carb intake or diary intake.
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Posted - 2010.07.26 10:21:00 -
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I eat fast food all the time but I'm not fat. I'm pretty active outdoors and I don't sleep a lot. I tend to not think about the negative aspects of eating junk food which I believe plays a big role in the whole obesity problem these days.
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Vogue
Skynet Nexus
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Posted - 2010.07.26 10:30:00 -
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It is true that some people are unlucky to have a their plumbling wired so they are more likely to be fat.
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Asarus Atreyu
The Kairos Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.07.26 10:31:00 -
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A cure for obesity?
Do regular exercise...? Alternatively modify your genes to give you a fast metabolism!
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Mutant Caldari
Caldari
Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.07.26 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: Arvald
Edited by: Arvald on 26/07/2010 03:53:08
stop eating fast food stop drinking soda eat less exercise more quit being a lazy fat ****, there ya go cure for obesity
also yeah cut out dairy products if you want brittle bones and joint problems later in life.
All I basically drink is soda, all I eat is fast food/junk food, and I never exercise yet I am in no way obese, hell I even have some tone >_>. \o/ for fast metabolisms?
Yeah I am a pirate. What are you gonna do about it?
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.26 11:45:00 -
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Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 26/07/2010 11:47:07
1 lb/.45 kg of fat = 3500 calories.
That means you need to burn 500 calories more then you ingest on a daily basis to loose 1 pound per week.
You can do this by eating 500 calories less per day till you reach equilibrium. You can do 500 calories of work per day while consuming no additional calories then previously ingested daily. Or you can combine 250 calories from each of the above methods.
Now each personÆs metabolism is different, but at the basic levels they are the same. Ideally, to avoid triggering the survival mechanisms that slow down metabolism to prepare for periods of starvation, one must eat a minimum of 3 times per day if not 5-6 times per day.
You should not eat within 3 hours of sleeping.
Ideally your diet should be a well balanced diet of the food stuffs that fit into the genetic backgrounds you exhibit. In other words look at the food stuffs that your ancestors likely ingested.
Outside of that, many general practitioners are clueless about diet, exercise, and their effects on the physiology of the body. But that is not really their fault considering how much medicine they already need to keep up with. This is also why the fitness field needs some serious looking into for regulation of the individuals that decide to be professionals in the field.
Currently in the US there are upwards of 300 personal training certifications, of which only two of them (possibly a third) that require a college degree. When you think about how much damage a personal trainer can cause to someone in the general population it is scary how little knowledge we actually require them to attain 
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Originally by: Mutant Caldari
Originally by: Arvald
Edited by: Arvald on 26/07/2010 03:53:08
stop eating fast food stop drinking soda eat less exercise more quit being a lazy fat ****, there ya go cure for obesity
also yeah cut out dairy products if you want brittle bones and joint problems later in life.
All I basically drink is soda, all I eat is fast food/junk food, and I never exercise yet I am in no way obese, hell I even have some tone >_>. \o/ for fast metabolisms?
And you will be one of the skinny guys in their fifities that has a stroke and everyone goes why him he is so skinny. But the real issue is that your artiries are getting clogged faster and more severly then someone that eats healthy, exercises, and has a higher percentage of bady fat then you 
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.07.26 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: Ressiv
Tot all the people that think they got the one cure for obesity: forget it.
Factors that play a smaller or larger role:
- mental wellbeing
- glands and if they work like they shoud (not too fast/slow/etc)
- digestive body type
- etc.
Good luck eating less carbs in these cases and losing weight. Try no to die.
I dont gain a pound even I trie to. I can eat whatever the **** I want and then some, ans stay @ the same weight. Yeah, flying a desk.
Yup... I've been pretty much 60kg for over 10 years now, and I eat like a horse and never do much exercise (except cycling into town once a week)
I did go to the gym for a few months last year, where I ended up actually putting on weight, but that disappeared soon after
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BalZ
Gallente
Donkey Bacon
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Posted - 2010.07.26 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: Arvald
eat less exercise
What? How dou you eat exercise?
And how is it prepared? I imagine it stir-fried with a side of athletic shoes. Maybe some oregano on top... 
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Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
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Posted - 2010.07.26 13:40:00 -
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The cause of obesity is explained here.
Trolls? In my EVE forums? It's more likely than you think...
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.26 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium
The cause of obesity is explained here.
I was unable to watch the whole video, but from the comments it sounds like this guy is trying to blame the whole obesity epidimic on high fructose cornsyrup. Is this so?
If it is then the guy is completely off base, but I will watch it when I get to my home comp to verify things for sure.
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Arvald
Caldari
The Lumberjacks
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Posted - 2010.07.26 13:59:00 -
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Edited by: Arvald on 26/07/2010 13:59:35
Originally by: Slade Trillgon
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Originally by: Mutant Caldari
It is skinny guys like you in their fifities that have strokes and everyone goes; why him, he is so skinny. But the real issue is that your artiries are getting clogged faster and more severly then someone that eats healthy, exercises, and has a higher percentage of bady fat then you
Slade
this is a very good point, its also worth mentioning that your body needs some excess fat on it, chubby people tend to live longer than really tone/skinny people because their body has extra fat to burn in times of extreme physical stress (bad sickness, injuries things like that) and that means the body dosent have to resort to burning the fat from places its needed.
Originally by: BalZ
Originally by: Arvald
eat less exercise
What? How dou you eat exercise?
And how is it prepared? I imagine it stir-fried with a side of athletic shoes. Maybe some oregano on top...
bite me i forgot a comma ok 
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DuffmanPeter
Perpetua Umbra
The Last Brigade
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Posted - 2010.07.26 14:10:00 -
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Figured I would weigh in since I recently lost about 30 pounds. What I found works is I go the gym about 2 times a week. I do calisthenics including pullups, pushups and crunches till I cannot anymore.
For my diet I eat high amounts of whole grain and stay away from processed food in general. My diet includes whole wheat pasta, quinoa (amazingly good for you, #1 best food in the world for you in a poll), about 4 eggs a day, whole wheat bread, peanut butter, milk and fruit and vegetables when I have them. Carbs are not the problem from what I have found. You want complex carbs. They give you good energy and they are natural. They are found in whole wheat. They are found in fruits and vegetables.
Also fat is not bad for you. I consume large amounts of fat with peanut butter and large amounts of canola oil. Fat is needed for building cells as well as other functions. If you want to lose weight, cut processed stuff. Eat whole wheat and some of the other stuff I mentioned every 3 hours a day. So eat as soon as you get up then 3 hours, 3 hours, etc. As Slade mentioned do not eat 3 hours before bed. It will help you sleep as well.
The diet is basically protein and complex carbs. And drink up to 1.5 gallons of water a day. This diet has toned me and lost me a lot of weight. Going to the gym may help but weight loss is NOT exercise, it is DIET change.
Also listen to Slade. He knows his stuff. He comments on stuff like this and is right all the time.
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Astenion
Blame The Bunny
Bunny Nation
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Posted - 2010.07.26 14:28:00 -
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Dairy is actually toxic to the body, which is why as we get older we need to cut down on our ingestion of it. Not cut it out altogether, but keep it in check. We're not actually supposed to consume lots of dairy as we get older.
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Taedrin
Gallente
White Haven Corp
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Posted - 2010.07.26 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: M'ktakh
The problem with comparing modern fat intake with inuit/masai/etc populations is that they had tens of generations to weed out the genetic stock that was not adapted to their fat-rich diet. We dont.
NOT TRUE, an anthropologist lived with the Inuit for an extended period of time in the 1920s. He ate the same diet as the Inuit, and suffered NO adverse health conditions what so ever.
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There is no cure. Modern diets are so horrible, highly processed and highly contaminated with chemicals that the butter, milk, eggs (and etc.) of our forefathers are better, healthier and more nutritious. Eating a lot of fatty products will not make someone fat or obese, contrary to popular beliefs - the French, the Inuit, the Masai would beg to differ.
I agree, people need to read up about the dangers of such chemical contamination as dihydrogen monoxide. Food would be so much safer without such dangerous chemicals!
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Posted - 2010.07.26 15:35:00 -
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I recently stopped my dairy intake and have trimmed down a little.
Almond milk is a good substitute for cow milk.
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Posted - 2010.07.26 15:36:00 -
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The secret to losing weight is to learn how to endure hunger.
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Posted - 2010.07.26 16:32:00 -
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Want to lose weight ?
The only two ways in which that can possibly work without surgery is to :
* EITHER start eating less kcal than you did before (also, less than your daily bodily usage)
* OR start burning more calories through exercise (more than your daily kcal intake)
What you eat, when you eat, how you eat... all of those are irrelevant FOR WEIGHT LOSS (you still want to eat all the necessary nutrients, so all of those things do matter overall, just not for weight loss purposes).
ALL that matters is daily energy intake vs daily energy usage.
Like Slade Trillgon already said, 3500 kcal roughly translates into 1 pound of fat... or if you (like me) prefer metric, that's "1 kilogram of fat roughly translates into about 7700 kcal".
Burn 3000 kcal a day on average while only eating 2000 kcal per day on average (which you might find quite difficult to do, both the eating and the burning part), and you can lose up to 50 kg in a little over one year of this.
Oh, by the way, using up ALL those 3000 kcal per day in this scenario actually gets harder and harder as you lose weight, both because your body uses less kcal to keep itself going, but also because exercising now burns less kcal since you're dragging less weight.
Do the OPPOSITE (only burn 2000 kcal a day and eat 3000 kcal a day), and you will gain almost 50 kg of fat in little over a year.
In this case, burning JUST 2000 kcal a day could be difficult as you gain weight, since even walking around in the house with that much extra weight will start using up noticeably more energy, and also just keeping your own body warm requires more kcal burned too (while the ratio of kcal burned per mass heated gets lower, the absolute amount of kcal burned still goes up).
You could eat all those kcal in both cases in pure refined sugar (and take vitamin and whatnot supplements to not die a horrible, painful, death due to lack of essential nutrients), and it wouldn't change a damn thing.
You could also eat it all in one sitting at any time of the day gulping it all down, or you could eat it in many smaller portions and slowly chew'em, or one slow chunk, or many small gulps... and again, it wouldn't matter at all (the confusion about this stems from the fact that eating many meals makes you tend to eat less overall, and eating slowly also makes you eat less food overall, provided you can adjust amount of food consumed... if you have a predetermined portion it does not matter).
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.26 17:14:00 -
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Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 26/07/2010 17:19:01
Originally by: Taedrin
Originally by: M'ktakh
The problem with comparing modern fat intake with inuit/masai/etc populations is that they had tens of generations to weed out the genetic stock that was not adapted to their fat-rich diet. We dont.
NOT TRUE, an anthropologist lived with the Inuit for an extended period of time in the 1920s. He ate the same diet as the Inuit, and suffered NO adverse health conditions what so ever.
How long did he live with them?
I would like to point out that cold weather causes a drastic increase in the basal metabolic rate (BMR). The increase in the BMR is due to the increase in the firing of muscles, to increase heat production, which is used to maintain the core body temperature. This would probably significantly delay the onset of many of the metabolic markers, in most individuals, that are not acclimatized to the weather that the Inuits live in.
A few extra things that should be mentioned follows.
1 gram of Carbohydrates contains @ 4 kcals
1 gram of Protein contains @ 4 kcals
1 gram of Fat contains @ 9 kcals
Protien should constitute @ 15% of ones daily caloric intake. The average person needs @ .8-1.0 grams of protein per kilogram of body weight to maintian the normal repair rates required from day to day activity. People that do strenuous work on a daily basis should possibly increase their intake to 1.2-1.8 grams per kilogram.
Carbohydrates should be upwards of 60% of the average personÆs daily caloric intake. It should be noted, as mentioned by others above, that these should be of the food groups found in the complex carbohydrate categories and not from pre-packaged junk food and refined sugars and breads.
æGoodÆ fats should be upwards of 25% of your daily caloric content if you are not trying to loose weight. If you are trying to loose weight then I would not recommend dropping below 15%
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Vogue
Skynet Nexus
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Posted - 2010.07.26 17:31:00 -
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There has been speculation that sugar alternatives such as Sweetex can have nasty long term effects. Any truth in this because I have realised how much sugar I am taking as I am a Coffee addict. Coffee has replaced my smoking addiction.
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Posted - 2010.07.26 17:35:00 -
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I am presently on a 'diet', i am a cyclist who doesn't eat junk so my underlying fitness is good, my problem was i am(was) 105kg at 5'10. Just too heavy.
solution?
one good dinner per day, NOTHING ELSE, combined with much cycling. Tea and fruit juice as i like.
after one week i've lost inches from my waist, legs/arse are solid as rock, and people simply can't believe it. My energy levels are through the roof and the weight is just dropping off at a tremendous rate. I feel so much healthier, and happier.
It's not an easy diet, you have to fight intense hunger and the feeling of being sick at the start, but then my body adapted and bam, the fat is getting burnt off and i feel 'clean'. No urges to binge.
all this said, i made this diet for myself, it works incredibly well, but for someone else could be completely stupid.
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.26 18:20:00 -
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Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 26/07/2010 18:22:14
Originally by: Vogue
There has been speculation that sugar alternatives such as Sweetex can have nasty long term effects. Any truth in this because I have realised how much sugar I am taking as I am a Coffee addict. Coffee has replaced my smoking addiction.
I would say that 'one' is best off if they avoid all unnatural substances as much as possible. There has been little research into artifical sweetners, much less long term studies, and their use in the general market was rushed through. I reccommend that people get off of them as soon as possible.
I wish the Soda industries would convert back to sugar, create sodas with half and a quarter as much sugar as they put in with high fructose corn syrup. Then they would have a product that would not cause as many issues and would help satisfy the need for a sweet drink with meals while not causing as many potential problems, while increasing their profit margins at the same time 
Originally by: Hatherley
Edited by: Hatherley on 26/07/2010 17:39:03
I am presently on a 'diet', i am a cyclist who doesn't eat junk so my underlying fitness is good, my problem is i am(was) 105kg at 5'10. Just too heavy.
solution?
one good dinner per day, NOTHING ELSE, combined with much cycling. Tea and fruit juice as i like.
after one week i've lost inches from my waist, legs/arse are solid as rock, and people simply can't believe it. My energy levels are through the roof and the weight is just dropping off at a tremendous rate. I feel so much healthier, and happier.
It's not an easy diet, you have to fight intense hunger and the feeling of being sick at the start, but then my body adapted and bam, the fat is getting burnt off and i feel 'clean'. No urges to binge.
all this said, i made this diet for myself, it works incredibly well, but for someone else could be completely stupid.
Although this 'works' for you. You are slowing down your metabolism by eating that infrequently. That means that if you ever stop working out as much as you do and you keep eating the way you do, you will have an accelerated calorie storage.
If you have access fat on your body then you are not creating a sufficient caloric deficit to loose that extra fat. Just remember we are supposed to have a nice storage of body fat and that your frame may be such that you should weigh around 95-100kg.
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Originally by: Dork Blade
I think, after doing a lot of personal and interesting research, that obesity is caused by the intake of dairy products, including things such as milk, eggs, butter, and even to a lesser extent products containing any dairy such as bread. If you have extra body fat and don't look like an athlete model, you should probably consider not eating any dairy, while continuing to eat plenty of meat, a variety of fruits, vegetables, and whole plants, and also I'm a big fan of eating yeast, which is rarely found without dairy mixed in, and yeast can be eaten mixed with water or as a seasoning.
Confirming that whenever i see an obese person i think to myself, "he needs to drink less milk"
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Posted - 2010.07.26 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: ChaeDoc II
Originally by: Dork Blade
I think, after doing a lot of personal and interesting research, that obesity is caused by the intake of dairy products, including things such as milk, eggs, butter, and even to a lesser extent products containing any dairy such as bread. If you have extra body fat and don't look like an athlete model, you should probably consider not eating any dairy, while continuing to eat plenty of meat, a variety of fruits, vegetables, and whole plants, and also I'm a big fan of eating yeast, which is rarely found without dairy mixed in, and yeast can be eaten mixed with water or as a seasoning.
Confirming that whenever i see an obese person i think to myself, "he needs to drink less milk"
The Quakers and Omish of the Northern US and Southern Canada have a significantly higher intake of fat and milk products, yet they have a significantly lower incidence of cardiovascular disease, and their productive years exceed those of the 'normal' US citizen.
Would you like to hazard a guess why that is so?
Slade
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Posted - 2010.07.26 19:03:00 -
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Activity is the key here. Sure we need calcium for bone growth, but it is physical activity which promotes that bone growth (and likewise physical inactivity that leads to bone atrophy).
Apart from new born mammals, no animal in the wild gets a source of calcium from dairy products (apart from eggs). Until very recently in evolutionary terms humans were wild animals who's diet would not have included dairy products, but it was the active lifestyle and crucially the lack of refined calorie rich foods which kept them in shape and healthy. Yes I realise the lifespan of those early humans was only 30 years or so, but that was probably down to all the woolly mammoths and velociraptors running around at the time |
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Corozan Aspinall
Party Time Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.26 19:11:00 -
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Turn computer off. Go outside. Stay there.
Solved!
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Dork Blade
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Posted - 2010.07.27 00:24:00 -
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Just to jump in without reading the whole thread, I wanted to correct a horrifying misrepresentation on the speed of evolution, which is more along the order of 150,000 years for any change, not 3 generations or 50 years. No human can live long enough to effect evolution, nor can any individual human or human group affect evolution in any way due to shortness of human life compared to the time required for evolutionary change. All of our human (non-primate, non-mammal) bodies are virtually identical genetically, which can be easily verified through modern genetic research. This means our brains and bodies are all identical in every way, except for crippling injuries already sustained and situation and dietary intake. There is no way to change this. Rapid observed parental changes ARE NOT GENETIC EVOLUTION, they are modern pre-evolved dynamic adaptable functions, with one big one being skin tone reflecting over 5 generations distance from the equator. The sunlight is different near the equator, and humans frequently move towards and away from it very slowly, and as such skin tone is non-genetic and can be modified by moving closer or farther with respect to the equator. Thus, a black man's genetics are identical to a white man's, although the black man has a non-genetic sun-defense system more highly activated, which will not deactivate for a while through generations as a saved non-genetic biological marker, and has nothing to do with true evolution which is much too slow to be really 'relevant' for humans to apply to humans, although it can be observed and controlled by humans in non-human specieis, speficially those which reproduce at a stupidly fast rate and have much, much higher mutation rates (which can be artificially spiked) than humans.
I should also note that trying to not eat will not be effective, and will lower the bodies metabolic rate and conserve calories. It also matters what you eat. Not all foods are the same, and peanuts, animal flesh (meat), and animal guts are clearly not the same thing and have different effects on the person who consumes them. Eating 2000 calories of lettuce a day is not the same thing as eating 2000 calories of my aforementioned diet, and this is easily experimentally verifiable on mice or other animals by dramatically altering their diet, restricting their movement to ensure they do not hunt, and watch how their attitude and behavior changes based on diet, even when the calorie count is fixed.
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Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
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Posted - 2010.07.27 00:37:00 -
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It's really simple, calories in vs calories out. Eat more than you burn and you will get fat.
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.27 01:01:00 -
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Originally by: Dork Blade
You be trolling.
Fixed
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vulnevia
The Exploited.
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Posted - 2010.07.27 05:52:00 -
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A cure for obesity? SHUT YOUR DARN PIE HOLE AND STOP EATING!!! People are running around drinking weird stuff while starving and then they're surprised when they gain all the lost weight plus some more. |
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Posted - 2010.07.27 06:46:00 -
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Confirming that I myself have lost 10 pounds on the Krispy Kream diet....
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Epicbeardman
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Posted - 2010.07.27 07:18:00 -
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Edited by: Epicbeardman on 27/07/2010 07:19:25
Obesity is when someone who exercises and sticks to a proper diet remains overweight.
Everyone else is fat. And by everyone I mean Americans.
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Hatherley
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Posted - 2010.07.27 11:01:00 -
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Originally by: Slade Trillgon
Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 26/07/2010 18:22:14
Although this 'works' for you. You are slowing down your metabolism by eating that infrequently. That means that if you ever stop working out as much as you do and you keep eating the way you do, you will have an accelerated calorie storage.
If you have access fat on your body then you are not creating a sufficient caloric deficit to loose that extra fat. Just remember we are supposed to have a nice storage of body fat and that your frame may be such that you should weigh around 95-100kg.
Slade
oh yeah. am going to have to change over to a much more sensible diet after all this fat round my middle has gone else i will waste away :D
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Astenion
Blame The Bunny
Bunny Nation
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Posted - 2010.07.27 14:24:00 -
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Edited by: Astenion on 27/07/2010 14:24:55
Edited by: Astenion on 27/07/2010 14:24:14
Originally by: Slade Trillgon
Originally by: ChaeDoc II
Originally by: Dork Blade
I think, after doing a lot of personal and interesting research, that obesity is caused by the intake of dairy products, including things such as milk, eggs, butter, and even to a lesser extent products containing any dairy such as bread. If you have extra body fat and don't look like an athlete model, you should probably consider not eating any dairy, while continuing to eat plenty of meat, a variety of fruits, vegetables, and whole plants, and also I'm a big fan of eating yeast, which is rarely found without dairy mixed in, and yeast can be eaten mixed with water or as a seasoning.
Confirming that whenever i see an obese person i think to myself, "he needs to drink less milk"
The Quakers and Omish of the Northern US and Southern Canada have a significantly higher intake of fat and milk products, yet they have a significantly lower incidence of cardiovascular disease, and their productive years exceed those of the 'normal' US citizen.
Would you like to hazard a guess why that is so?
Slade
It has nothing to do with milk. The Amish are up at 4 am milking cows, churning butter, and building houses. They use no electricity, plumbing, or vehicles. They either walk or ride their horses everywhere. They need milk, butter, cheese, and cream to stay alive and give them enough energy to work through a 16 hour day.
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Vogue
Skynet Nexus
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Posted - 2010.07.27 14:29:00 -
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I was in a Welsh valley marvelling at the natural surrondings and thinking about people leading a more basic life connected to mother nature. So I drank some water from a stream. I got a tummy bug and thought well before sanitation and other modern developments the average life expectancy was in the 30's lol.
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David Grogan
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.07.27 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: Arvald
Edited by: Arvald on 26/07/2010 03:53:08
stop eating fast food stop drinking soda eat less exercise more quit being a lazy fat ****, there ya go cure for obesity
yes usa are worst offenders when it comes to eating more.
usa food portions sizes are huge.... but then so is alot of the people.
if u want to eat healthier have a look at arvald's cooking lessons thread :P
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Posted - 2010.07.28 18:26:00 -
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Right, right, but if I cycle to work at 10 mph and it takes me 40 minutes will it use less calories than if I cycle to work at 20 mph taking 20 minutes?
I'm assuming wind resistance and rolling resistance would play a part, but other than that would there be a difference?
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.28 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: Astenion
It has nothing to do with milk. The Amish are up at 4 am milking cows, churning butter, and building houses. They use no electricity, plumbing, or vehicles. They either walk or ride their horses everywhere. They need milk, butter, cheese, and cream to stay alive and give them enough energy to work through a 16 hour day.
I wanted ChaeDocII to answer it 
But I will say to your answer that saying milk/milk products has nothing to do with it is as egregious of an error as saying it has everythign to do with it.
Originally by: Mister Gimp
Right, right, but if I cycle to work at 10 mph and it takes me 40 minutes will it use less calories than if I cycle to work at 20 mph taking 20 minutes?
I'm assuming wind resistance and rolling resistance would play a part, but other than that would there be a difference?
There may be minute differences, but overall the caloric expenditure would be approximately the same. To increase the caloric expenditure you would need to increase one variable and not decrease the other variable.
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Exploding Tukey
Gallente
Capital Construction Research
Pioneer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.28 19:59:00 -
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See: This
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Barakkus
YTiRi Research
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Posted - 2010.07.28 20:32:00 -
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Originally by: Arvald
Edited by: Arvald on 26/07/2010 03:53:08
stop eating fast food stop drinking soda eat less exercise more quit being a lazy fat ****, there ya go cure for obesity
also yeah cut out dairy products if you want brittle bones and joint problems later in life.
This tbh
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
rofl
edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
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Vogue
Skynet Nexus
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Posted - 2010.07.28 20:39:00 -
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Some people are born with a good genome and are more resistant to things and live longer and other less lucky folk weather life less well.
And environment is a huge factor. There are big life expectancy gaps between afflunt areas and run down desolate areas. Alas if people are bottom of the pile they eat and drink less well.
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