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Diesel Grip
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Posted - 2010.07.26 19:56:00 -
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Frerstorn Bottom Station
Quick points of goals: - One stop capital hub - One stop 0.0 logistics hub - Provide goods to the local Faction Warfare participants - Connect Investors, Retailers, Manufactures and Jump Freighter pilots seeking opportunity.
Capital Hub/Logistics It is an enormous hassle to fly around and collect capital modules and fighters/fighter bombers because of their massive size. There's enormous potential in eliminating this headache, and we should be able to clear several combat ready capitals, fully fit and fueled, at any given time. We should also focus on making 0.0 logistics easier by placing buy orders for ice/ore for Rorquals/JFs. The goal here is for 0.0 alliances to be able to jump in, quickly buy/sell what they need and move back out without dealing with carting the goods to high sec.
Faction War / Pirate Customers The locals in the area know how to handle themselves and will have no problem using this station as their market hub. The Amarr militia in particular currently has the problem of not really having a market hub nearby. While this isn't perfect because its behind the Minmatar front lines, its still better than facing the NPC faction police in other nearby hubs. So many destroyers, cruisers, and battle cruisers have sold from Frerstorn that we can't really keep it stocked. Where: Frerstorn VII û Moon 1 û Ishukone Corporation Factory This station was chosen because it has a large bump radius, and is safe to bring capitals in and out of as any station can be. Its a bit off the beaten path as far as access to 0.0 goes so as to not play any favorites with nullsec politics. All services are available at this station, including cloning. Frerstorn currently has 200 manufacturing slots, all currently open.
The situation around Metropolis low sec is not pretty - it is surrounded by some of the most violent pirate corps around. The route from Resbroko to Hek is often camped, as is the route to Rens through Amamake. Avenod to Dodixie is not camped, but if traffic picks up it very well could be. On the bright side, if the militia is in local you can be safer than if you were in high sec. Experienced pilots know many ways to get through and around gate camps, and most (including me) would be glad to let you know some tips/tricks.
Remember: for a low sec hub to be successful we all need to focus on one station. The bottom station - Frerstorn VII û Moon 1 û Ishukone Corporation Factory. Typing ôfrerö into your auto link will bring up the correct system.
Where to start: If you have products you want to sell, toss them into a blockade runner or a courier contract and bring them on down. If you are looking for business partners, post an ad here. Examples: ôInvestor looking for Investment Corporation.ö ôBuilder seeking Investorsö ôJump Freighter Pilot For Hireö
Once again: Frer û bottom station.
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Teramaxus
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Posted - 2010.07.26 20:21:00 -
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Edited by: Teramaxus on 26/07/2010 20:21:30 Looks profitable, about time someone set something up like this. For Hire: JF Hek/Dodixie -> Frerstorn
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Amy Aimia
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Posted - 2010.07.26 21:09:00 -
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It's not a bad idea but not sure if the location is really optimal. As far as Amarr not having access to a market hub.. Most Amarr FW members the last time I checked the area, were living in Tuomota or Huola and that's very easy access to the Amarr trade hub.
This would be further away from them, but it would still be nice to have access to supplies in the area, so GL with it.
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Pokechan333
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Posted - 2010.07.26 21:41:00 -
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No. Make it huola.
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Cryloud
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Posted - 2010.07.26 21:43:00 -
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Most Guys lives in Huola and Tuomuta, Huola would be a great System !
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Marshiro
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Posted - 2010.07.26 21:54:00 -
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*goes to call some favors to get some carriers to camp the undock if business picks up*
What, nothing
---- I'd think a nullsec sov'n holder with strong systems defense and NRDS have a better chance if they care to invest in a system for this purpose. Ideally it is one of the a highsec-Null connecting system that lets everyone to get to the station safely with one camp on the gates and in front of undock. The NRDS doesn't need to extend across the alliance, just the trade system itself.
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Diesel Grip
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Posted - 2010.07.26 21:56:00 -
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You got the wrong impression if you think this is specifically for the Amarr militia. This is a spot that is easily accessible from the East, South and West. We are opening a supply chain to major resources. In doing so we do plan to provide goods to the faction war participants. I have talked with some of your more aggressive comrades in the Amarr militia who believe that being able to resupply in Minmatar space without having to go into high sec or fall back to Amarr high sec would be to the Amarr advantage. Really that point could be argued either way.
What we are not going to do is open up a hub that favors anyone to the point of cutting entire groups of people off, this is why Frerstorn was chosen.
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rain9441
Big Head Want Dolly
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Posted - 2010.07.26 22:11:00 -
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I will check this out for sure. If there is good profit to be made, there is nothing more to be said.
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.07.26 22:11:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 26/07/2010 22:13:15
Originally by: Cryloud Most Guys lives in Huola and Tuomuta, Huola would be a great System !
Huola would be a terminally brain dead place to put a market hub. So would Auga, Amamake, and Rancer. Frerstorn is just enough off the beaten path that I expect it to actually work.
-Liang
Ed: I've never hidden the fact that I have alts in the faction war. It so happens that I have a few in the Amarr FW, and I personally will find this useful for stocking up without having to go all the way home. Also: someone mind putting some T2 frigs on the market there? -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.07.26 22:27:00 -
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Originally by: Marshiro *goes to call some favors to get some carriers to camp the undock if business picks up*
What, nothing
Overwhelmingly, this would be a waste of time. The only thing you could hope to do is hope to kill someone before the jump timer wore off (30 seconds). You better move pretty fast and have hella firepower for that. Even still, I would hope that capital pilots would recognize the immense value that comes from not having to **** around with flying to every 2 bit system to grab all your stuff.
Even still, I don't know that this would be much more dangerous than undocking from Jita 4/4 with a few bil in your cargohold.
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I'd think a nullsec sov'n holder with strong systems defense and NRDS have a better chance if they care to invest in a system for this purpose. Ideally it is one of the a highsec-Null connecting system that lets everyone to get to the station safely with one camp on the gates and in front of undock. The NRDS doesn't need to extend across the alliance, just the trade system itself.
This could never work in 0.0 because the exit could be bubbled. In low sec, you cannot stop someone from cynoing out if they want to. If they know what they're doing, they literally can cyno out before the game will allow you to lock them.
-Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
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Marshiro
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Posted - 2010.07.27 05:39:00 -
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I was thinking overlapping smartbomb carriers at undock that can do like 4k area dps with a few ships overlapped. Sure its not going to kill capitals, but it can put the hurt on everything else. Unless someone drops a titan or stacks of dreads, it is probably no problem to deaggress and dock up, unlike jita campers that often have to replace their pests.
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.07.27 05:51:00 -
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Originally by: Marshiro I was thinking overlapping smartbomb carriers at undock that can do like 4k area dps with a few ships overlapped. Sure its not going to kill capitals, but it can put the hurt on everything else. Unless someone drops a titan or stacks of dreads, it is probably no problem to deaggress and dock up, unlike jita campers that often have to replace their pests.
Comments: - I wouldn't expect traffic to ever be high enough for it to be profitable to camp the station. Its not high sec, afterall. - There will likely be many cyno alts docked at such a capital market hub. - I can attest from personal experience that there's more than one supercapital fleet well within jump range of Frerstorn. On this basis alone I foresee a lack of carriers smartbombing the undock point.
-Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
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Fat Uncle
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Posted - 2010.07.27 08:22:00 -
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Not that hard to kill carriers that have aggressed on station. And they can only smartbomb outside docking range...
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rain9441
Big Head Want Dolly
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Posted - 2010.07.27 13:46:00 -
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No tritanium and 114 pyerite in Frerstorn. Not a whole lot of good can come out of 200 manufacturing slots if you got nothing to build with!
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Lifia Kerum
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.07.27 14:27:00 -
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Sounds really interesting. Investing in there could certainly be entertaining (and profitable). ---
Originally by: Shar Tegral
Could we now get back on topic? It is tiring to verbally spank children early in the morning.
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Rex Ladyhole
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Posted - 2010.07.27 16:31:00 -
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I know that area. I'll head on over and put some mineral buy orders up.
@ guy who thinks he is going to station camp; you obviously don't fly a carrier yourself, because threats like that are what get carriers killed. I'm not sure you are familiar with low sec logistics, you have to mess up or fall victim to server lag to lose your ships in low sec.
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Dreaming Demon
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Posted - 2010.07.30 07:13:00 -
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Nice idea, but there aren't many products up yet.
So if I were to start carrying stuff here, what should I bring to sell? Y'all want POS fuel? Ship fittings? AMMO & Drones?
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Red Teufel
Imperial Directorate
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Posted - 2010.07.30 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: Dreaming Demon Nice idea, but there aren't many products up yet.
So if I were to start carrying stuff here, what should I bring to sell? Y'all want POS fuel? Ship fittings? AMMO & Drones?
I tried sellig some large t2 drones there but no one was interested. invest in med-small ships and ship modules there.
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Diesel Grip
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Posted - 2010.07.30 18:09:00 -
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Edited by: Diesel Grip on 30/07/2010 18:12:17 I put a lot into the market there and you can barely see it. It takes a lot to get something like this rolling.
Ammo, drones, rigs, ships, pretty much everything. Till the capitals get moving through here on a regular basis, small-medium modules and drones are a safe bet. You won't see a lot of battleships running around here.
Id like to mention that it is currently in the stocking the shelves stage. I wouldn't expect to be open for business for several weeks to a couple months.
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Claire Voyant
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Posted - 2010.07.30 19:35:00 -
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Are you planning on building any capital ships? If not, how can you hope to have a one-stop shop? Even if cap ship mods, ammo, and fighters are a pain to move, it is still better to bring them to the cap ship then bring the unfitted cap ship to the one-stop shop.
Probably better to see who is selling cap ships in the area (check contracts) and talk to them about setting up sell orders in their station.
No station has enough manufacturing slots to make much more than one cap ship per day on average (1.5 carriers/day is about the max assuming the components are made in house) so you are never going to create the Jita of capital ship sales at a single station. But if you have 4 stations with factories in the same system and you get all 4 running at near capacity you could have something going.
Anyway, the short answer is you need to bring the market to the capital ship producers, not the other way around. When I was running my cap ship business, I would have been glad to have an eager young businessman keeping my station stocked with mods since I couldn't be bothered with all that small stuff (although I tried.)
Maybe once you get to know the cap ship producers, you could help each other out in other ways. For example, you could find out what ships they have in the pipeline and maybe work out some pre-sales if you had the right contacts.
So listen to what people are saying here and and realize that not all markets are the same. Find the right niche and maybe you will do well.
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Diesel Grip
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Posted - 2010.07.30 21:59:00 -
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Claire, I am not building them personally. I have been in contact with builders over the last few months and have been providing financial aid to some builders who have needed it. The people I know who are building them are not building them in system, they are jumping them in after they are built. Carriers should be showing up on the market in the next few weeks. I am unaware if there are any dreads making their way here. However, I encourage everyone to bring their ships here to sell.
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Teramaxus
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Posted - 2010.07.30 22:19:00 -
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I'm putting a Thanatos on the market there in a few days.
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Zenon Mu
Advanced Assemblies and Sciences
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Posted - 2010.07.31 00:47:00 -
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Sounds like this initiative finds some support, I like this. Could use some support in T2 modules, specialized for fleet and gang warfare. Interesting location, btw, on the map it looks like the center of all eve
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Spruillo
Gallente Spruillo Corp
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Posted - 2010.07.31 05:03:00 -
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Edited by: Spruillo on 31/07/2010 05:04:14
Originally by: Zenon Mu Sounds like this initiative finds some support, I like this. Could use some support in T2 modules, specialized for fleet and gang warfare. Interesting location, btw, on the map it looks like the center of all eve
Yeah the flashy reds and roaming gangs are gonna cooperate 'Yeah no prob we'll just go over here where nobody is and campy-proby.'
Chose for off the beaten path? If this worked it would be a beaten path.
Needs backing for general security. General faction presence, nrds type policy stuff like that. Good luck working all that out. Yall will argue 3 pages on mods and minerals alone.
Mods- General t2 stuff, pvp-mission-explosr Ships, lotsa T2's assault frigs HAC's Interceptors, Cov-Ops a few transports might sell most ppl buy and fit them in hisec, lotsa recons, some marauders, T1 rigs, range ammo-missiles-crystals I check top rated fits on BC when stocking ships/mods in same market PPL tend to browse and if they dont see most everything often wont buy anything and go where it all is instead
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Diesel Grip
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Posted - 2010.07.31 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: Spruillo Imaginary low sec.
Sorry but this is not for that kind of attitude. If you learn the land and ROE, we would be glad to have you bring your products down and give us some competition, but I really don't want to feed a bunch of people who don't know how to survive to the local pirates. Metropolis low sec is NBSI, and that is the way it will stay. If this is your way of asking how you can run logistics safely, well... don't be afraid to ask. Low sec is 100% safe if you know what you are doing. It is only dangerous for those who don't.
I would not suggest investing into typical mission runner gear. The mission runners in the area are with the faction war, and they do things different than the high sec type.
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Aurum Bellator
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Posted - 2010.07.31 20:57:00 -
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Diesel,
I just tried to Eve-mail you to ask some questions about this project. You've set the CSPA charge at 1,000,000 isk. Is there a different, preferred way to contact you ?
AUB
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Diesel Grip
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Posted - 2010.08.01 01:06:00 -
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Edited by: Diesel Grip on 01/08/2010 01:06:18 Sorry about that, I was screwing with these guys in Dodixie who were inviting people to fleet and trying to warp them off to Recon 3/3... Nailed em for 3 mil
I reset it to 1 ISK, so evemail is fine.
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Lucyna
Minmatar Interstellar Killer Bee Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.08.03 17:34:00 -
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How is this venture coming? I've been curious about it, as I plan on shipping some stuff down there if the volume picks up, seems like juicy margins can be had.
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Diesel Grip
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Posted - 2010.08.08 18:15:00 -
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Everything is going good so far. Still cant keep ships stocked, but hopefully some people will start to bring more in.
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Meridith Akesia
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Posted - 2010.08.09 11:42:00 -
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This looks quite interesting indeed.
Ill fly down to the system to check it out, and may start importing some goods that seem to be in demand down there.
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