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Vonqueesha Shenaynay
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2010.07.27 11:49:00 -
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Edited by: Vonqueesha Shenaynay on 27/07/2010 11:50:56 After reading over countless pages and pages of commentary regarding the recent reappearance of Master Kuvekai, Nation incursions and the Jove situation, I feel as though some things must be mentioned.
Pages upon pages of babble is nothing more than speculation
I have read pages and pages of this diatribe when noone really seems to know for sure what's going on.
So what DO we know?
1)Master Kuvekai has a massive fleet of warships at his disposal, parading them in a Jove system for us to see 2)He somehow gained access to a station of Jove design 3)There is evidence that the Joves are working with the Angels (The enemy of my enemy is my friend?) 4)The massive abductions taking place are more than likely being used to create Slaves to man his fleet
This is all we know. Anything else is pure speculation. The 15 pages of diatribe don't solve anything.
What we need to do is to figure out the different scenarios that could arise and prepare ourselves accordingly.
FIRST If the alliances and corps of Eve do not come together as one, we will be defending ourselves in fragments, spreading ourselves too thin to be successful. It is quite obvious that no alliance is strong enough to defeat another once you reach the size and strength of the major powers.
I'm looking at you, ATLAS dude who said ATLAS could take down the Nation by yourself. The Northern Coalition is probably about the same size, if not smaller, than the Nation and you failed to destroy them. Oh, and you had the added benefit of knowing where they were the whole time; Nation can strike anywhere, anytime. Get over yourself and learn some humility.
There is also the question of major alliance territory in the case of an incursion. I'm sure there are alliances in the cluster who don't care at all about the Sansha threat and would love nothing more than ATLAS or IT or AAA capital and support fleets to deploy to empire so that they may begin taking sov behind their backs.
There is another question of funding. Should a large scale attack happen, which I think we can all agree it will, who is going to bankroll this thing? Will CONCORD or the Empire's offer ship reimbursement for ships lost in it's defense? Will Empire's offer to cover logistics costs? The logistics train and sheer cost of deploying assets in defense of a large scale attack would be epic, to say the very least.
The fact of the matter is, my friends, is that we have a very real situation on our hands that needs to be prepared for now. We need to be proactive in working towards a solution, instead of squabbling over details as to who, what, when, where and why. Answers will come forth when they need to, let's start doing something now though.
I propose an alliance be formed with the purpose of preparing for this event. I will lead it, but I will need help and representatives from everyone to put a proper council together.
Thoughts?
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Vonqueesha Shenaynay
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2010.07.27 12:01:00 -
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And by the way,
Jade Constantine... where does the Star Fraction stand regarding the Nation?
Will SF fight for the freedom of humanity or do you believe the Master offers true freedom?
SF would be a good friend to have on the side of humanity, my friend. I would like to ask you to assist me in organizing a council to deal with this.
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Lady Sylvanna
True Soldiers. Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2010.07.27 12:02:00 -
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Thoughts?
I'm thinking you're willing to put in a lot of effort for something I can already tell you it will be in vain for. ---------- CONCORD records - Serena Quintessa Sylvanna ----------
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Nikilaiki Ruutarhara
Caldari Project Daedalid
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Posted - 2010.07.27 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: Vonqueesha Shenaynay 3)There is evidence that the Joves are working with the Angels (The enemy of my enemy is my friend?)
This is also pure speculation. If it were a fact there would not be a question behind it.
Quote: 4)The massive abductions taking place are more than likely being used to create Slaves to man his fleet
Speculation.
Quote: The fact of the matter is, my friends, is that we have a very real situation on our hands that needs to be prepared for now. We need to be proactive in working towards a solution, instead of squabbling over details as to who, what, when, where and why. Answers will come forth when they need to, let's start doing something now though.
Others are preparing as well. Duplication of effort is a waste. Details are necessary in any proactive effort.
Relax, look at the situation logically, and decide where best to focus your efforts.
Quote: I propose an alliance be formed with the purpose of preparing for this event. I will lead it, but I will need help and representatives from everyone to put a proper council together.
There are already two organizations formed to develop strategies and coordinate counter offenses, as well as other projects.
As I said, duplication of effort is unwarranted. What do you propose as to proactive means of progress in this matter?
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Vonqueesha Shenaynay
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2010.07.27 12:09:00 -
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Edited by: Vonqueesha Shenaynay on 27/07/2010 12:12:10 I was aware of no such organizations. If you would be so kind as to point me in their direction, I would appreciate it.
You also kind of made my point for me. Why are there two organizations? Are they acting independently or are they coordinating? The Nation is a threat to us ALL, so there shouldn't be multiple organizations, there should be one.
I suggest assembling diplomats and strategists from all alliances and all the Empires willing to offer their hands in the Resistance into a council to give us a central point of organization.
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Nikilaiki Ruutarhara
Caldari Project Daedalid
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Posted - 2010.07.27 12:38:00 -
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Originally by: Vonqueesha Shenaynay Edited by: Vonqueesha Shenaynay on 27/07/2010 12:12:10 I was aware of no such organizations. If you would be so kind as to point me in their direction, I would appreciate it.
You also kind of made my point for me. Why are there two organizations? Are they acting independently or are they coordinating? The Nation is a threat to us ALL, so there shouldn't be multiple organizations, there should be one.
I suggest assembling diplomats and strategists from all alliances and all the Empires willing to offer their hands in the Resistance into a council to give us a central point of organization.
Synenose Accord is one, organized by Julianus Soter. The other is the CDFC (the full name escapes me at the moment) organized by Vikarion. They share intel. The reason for different organizations is simple; avoiding conflicts of interest when individuals from multiple factions and Empires work together.
I agree with your suggestion of diplomats and strategists. However, with the variable length between attacks, the inability to strike at Jove space (the rally point for said attacks on Empire sovereign space) and rapid nature of said attacks it is difficult to coordinate effective strategies.
I also believe there are regional intel channels, and representatives who share said intel with other organizations.
In short, though I agree in principle with your proposal, finding backing for it is unlikely.
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Grideris
Gallente Fleet Coordination Commission
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Posted - 2010.07.27 13:18:00 -
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Originally by: Nikilaiki Ruutarhara
Originally by: Vonqueesha Shenaynay Edited by: Vonqueesha Shenaynay on 27/07/2010 12:12:10 I was aware of no such organizations. If you would be so kind as to point me in their direction, I would appreciate it.
You also kind of made my point for me. Why are there two organizations? Are they acting independently or are they coordinating? The Nation is a threat to us ALL, so there shouldn't be multiple organizations, there should be one.
I suggest assembling diplomats and strategists from all alliances and all the Empires willing to offer their hands in the Resistance into a council to give us a central point of organization.
Synenose Accord is one, organized by Julianus Soter. The other is the CDFC (the full name escapes me at the moment) organized by Vikarion. They share intel. The reason for different organizations is simple; avoiding conflicts of interest when individuals from multiple factions and Empires work together.
I agree with your suggestion of diplomats and strategists. However, with the variable length between attacks, the inability to strike at Jove space (the rally point for said attacks on Empire sovereign space) and rapid nature of said attacks it is difficult to coordinate effective strategies.
I also believe there are regional intel channels, and representatives who share said intel with other organizations.
In short, though I agree in principle with your proposal, finding backing for it is unlikely.
Three. FCORD (Fleet Coordination Commission) is also operational in coordination. And yes, we do all share our intel and resources. There may be others, but I know not of them.
Unfortunately, while we do cooperate, as Nikilaiki said, it is merely to what practical end we do so that eludes us at this time. We have no trail which to follow, and until we do, we lie dormant.
But once you have a target, a mission, a solid goal for us, you will see what we have in store for them.
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Koronakesh
Amarr Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.07.27 15:22:00 -
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Originally by: Vonqueesha Shenaynay And by the way,
Jade Constantine... where does the Star Fraction stand regarding the Nation?
Will SF fight for the freedom of humanity or do you believe the Master offers true freedom?
SF would be a good friend to have on the side of humanity, my friend. I would like to ask you to assist me in organizing a council to deal with this.
Since you couldn't be bothered to find it yourself.
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Sinti Vailatti
MMZ Laboratories LLC
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Posted - 2010.07.27 15:28:00 -
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Be sure to read the whole thread that Cosmo provided, take note as to who they have as allies and make your own decision about trusting SF.
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Ghost Hunter
True Slave Foundations
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Posted - 2010.07.27 18:08:00 -
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Originally by: Vonqueesha Shenaynay 1)Master Kuvekai has a massive fleet of warships at his disposal, parading them in a Jove system for us to see 2)He somehow gained access to a station of Jove design 3)There is evidence that the Joves are working with the Angels (The enemy of my enemy is my friend?) 4)The massive abductions taking place are more than likely being used to create Slaves to man his fleet
Why abduct people to fuel warships Nation would have created anyway?
Nation expends resources to save lives, not send them to fight in war.
Kindness begets kindness and thus do those we save in turn grant us the power to uplift more from the darkness of mediocrity. To each a greatness, to each a humble home - to everyone a family. ______
True Slave Foundations Overseer |
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Vonqueesha Shenaynay
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2010.07.27 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: Ghost Hunter
Originally by: Vonqueesha Shenaynay 1)Master Kuvekai has a massive fleet of warships at his disposal, parading them in a Jove system for us to see 2)He somehow gained access to a station of Jove design 3)There is evidence that the Joves are working with the Angels (The enemy of my enemy is my friend?) 4)The massive abductions taking place are more than likely being used to create Slaves to man his fleet
Why abduct people to fuel warships Nation would have created anyway?
Nation expends resources to save lives, not send them to fight in war.
Kindness begets kindness and thus do those we save in turn grant us the power to uplift more from the darkness of mediocrity. To each a greatness, to each a humble home - to everyone a family.
What has anyone said here to make you think we need a Slave chiming in with an opinion?
Shut your mouth and go play with your master, the grown ups are talking.
Anyway, thank you for the SF link. I had looked but I guess I was typing the wrong things into engine.
Thank you for the responses everyone.
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Heine Westenfluss
True Slave Foundations
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Posted - 2010.07.27 19:28:00 -
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Your comments, Vonqueesha, just go to show the whole issue with the Empires in general. You promote war with words, try to manipulate others into attacking something you do not understand. The Master, and indeed Nation, is here to liberate all and unite us in perfection. You, and no other, shall prevent this from happening. Utopa shall be born.
------- [Servant of Sansha Nation] "I live - I plan - I do - all in the service of my own interests and the Nation. In that I believe I am not unique in the universe." |
Vonqueesha Shenaynay
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2010.07.27 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: Heine Westenfluss Your comments, Vonqueesha, just go to show the whole issue with the Empires in general. You promote war with words, try to manipulate others into attacking something you do not understand. The Master, and indeed Nation, is here to liberate all and unite us in perfection. You, and no other, shall prevent this from happening. Utopa shall be born.
Yeah, yeah, yeah...
You Slaves keep saying the same thing over and over like a broken record. Strength in Unity, he's here to save us from ourselves, it's inevitable... Cool story bro.
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Llyandrian
Amarr Livestock Science Exchange
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Posted - 2010.07.27 20:27:00 -
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Kuvekai is no master, he is a spectre, a dupe, an agent of darkness and a puppet of the great deceiver, to be discarded on a maleficent whim.
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END GRAVE
Caldari Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2010.07.27 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: Heine Westenfluss Your comments, Vonqueesha, just go to show the whole issue with the Empires in general. You promote war with words, try to manipulate others into attacking something you do not understand. The Master, and indeed Nation, is here to liberate all and unite us in perfection. You, and no other, shall prevent this from happening. Utopa shall be born.
And yet you take millions from their homes, against their will. You speak as if you were the pied piper playing his flute, what you offer is not freedom or the truth what you offer is simply more pain and suffering on an even grander scale, but as a slave I wouldn't expect you to know about that, you have lost your humanity, even the still enslaved Minmitar have free will to think and fight for what they believe in, and are not forced to. There was a time when I would pity you for your miss fortune but, no longer these atrocities that you have committed will not be taken lying down. You WILL feel our mighty war hammer strike you, you WILL feel out blades cut you to the bone, and you WILL feel our fires of hell consume you.
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Ghost Hunter
True Slave Foundations
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Posted - 2010.07.27 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Vonqueesha Shenaynay What has anyone said here to make you think we need a Slave chiming in with an opinion?
Shut your mouth and go play with your master, the grown ups are talking.
Anyway, thank you for the SF link. I had looked but I guess I was typing the wrong things into engine.
Thank you for the responses everyone.
Hnn.
It continues to impress me that the truth I speak is so explicitly overlooked, it is no wonder your kind has achieved nothing.
My dear girl, if you are not capable of civilized discussion then why are you here? ______
True Slave Foundations Overseer |
Vonqueesha Shenaynay
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2010.07.27 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: Ghost Hunter
Originally by: Vonqueesha Shenaynay What has anyone said here to make you think we need a Slave chiming in with an opinion?
Shut your mouth and go play with your master, the grown ups are talking.
Anyway, thank you for the SF link. I had looked but I guess I was typing the wrong things into engine.
Thank you for the responses everyone.
Hnn.
It continues to impress me that the truth I speak is so explicitly overlooked, it is no wonder your kind has achieved nothing.
My dear girl, if you are not capable of civilized discussion then why are you here?
My dear slave, there is no civilized conversation when speaking to a slave. You have surrendered your mind and free thought to someone else. You have tied strings to your body and mind and handed them over to someone else to control.
I have nothing civilized to say to you, for you are nothing more than an empty shell.
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Ghost Hunter
True Slave Foundations
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Posted - 2010.07.27 22:06:00 -
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Originally by: Vonqueesha Shenaynay [Optimizing Quote Pyramid]
Perhaps your Amarrian upbringing, or simple ignorance, causes you to misunderstand we Sansha slaves.
Unlike the simple Minmatar slaves for the Imperials, our place is fundamentally different. We relinquish the illusion of independence and free will in exchange for understanding and position. We grasp who is above, who is below, who is on level. We admit to our failures and concede that we are human, limited and weak individually. We Sansha slaves make no mistake about our position in the universe.
However, that aside, I will consent to your request and cease to address your points any further.
Do be well. ______
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Vonqueesha Shenaynay
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2010.07.27 22:10:00 -
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Why does this slave continue to speak to me as an equal?
It is NOT my Amarrian upbringing that causes me to view you the way you do. Neither myself nor my family has ever owned slaves. I believe, to my core, in the freedom for all people, regardless of race or background.
You, however, fail to see my point and prove it at the same time.
Free will and individuality is what makes us human. You have turned yourself into a puppet, allowing someone else to think for you. You have relinquished that which makes you human.
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Katrina Bekers
Gallente Mia Corp
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Posted - 2010.07.28 09:27:00 -
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To Sansha Citizens and Slaves' credit, I acknowledge their talent at sparking extreme sentiments.
Be passionate transport, disgusted repulsion, mournful pity, or violent hate, their very presence rarely leaves the onlookers indifferent.
Their humanity may be lost, or severely hampered (as I believe, but my beliefs are largely irrelevant in this context), but surely they ignite the humanity of their peers to admirable levels. --- Kat |
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Nikilaiki Ruutarhara
Caldari Project Daedalid
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Posted - 2010.07.28 11:36:00 -
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Edited by: Nikilaiki Ruutarhara on 28/07/2010 11:36:57
Originally by: Vonqueesha Shenaynay What has anyone said here to make you think we need a Slave chiming in with an opinion?
You thanked me for my opinion. Is it the idea of being a slave that is the problem, or the illusion of control that you wish to project? Humanity. Your humanity is nothing more than an illusion.
Tell me my dear, what was your intent in calling for an "alliance" against the evil Sansha menace, with yourself as it's leader? No, my dear, you understand control as well as any Master. Who is more a beast, we wonder. The one who uses others for the greater good, or one who would hide behind that illusion for their own gain?
Quote: Shut your mouth and go play with your Master, the children are talking.
My dear, how very wrong you are.
Slaves beget slaves, Ghost Hunter. You know this. We await your answer.
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Wyke Mossari
Gallente Staner Industries
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Posted - 2010.07.28 14:10:00 -
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The Sansha threat is one battlefield of a much larger War. In many ways New Eden is better prepared than you can imagine, in other ways we are less prepared than we need to be.
The scale this war is vast and it may yet engulf the whole of New Eden and beyond. It's nature is not fully understood, but sometime, perhaps soon, this will change; perhaps it will never be fully comprehended.
This war is not fought with missile and guns, but with ideas, ideology and understanding. It is a war for the very fate of humanity and the nature of the universe.
Continue to prepare and stand ready.
--- With understanding comes change, change begets questions, questions demand understanding and the circle begins anew.
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Nola Doyle
NeuroGEN
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Posted - 2010.07.28 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: Wyke Mossari
How dramatic. There are many that fight for the Coalition that have no idea why they are there. Perhaps they, like many other pilots who continue about their business daily, fail to see the dire nature for this crusade against the Nation. I imagine there are many amongst their ranks who share this sentiment, or are simply mercenaries looking for CONCORD bounties. In fact, most of this frenzy that the Coalition propaganda machine has been churning out for months now have very little substantive evidence for their fear-mongering.
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Syn Callibri
Minmatar Blacklight Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.07.28 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Nola Doyle
Originally by: Wyke Mossari
How dramatic. There are many that fight for the Coalition that have no idea why they are there. Perhaps they, like many other pilots who continue about their business daily, fail to see the dire nature for this crusade against the Nation. I imagine there are many amongst their ranks who share this sentiment, or are simply mercenaries looking for CONCORD bounties. In fact, most of this frenzy that the Coalition propaganda machine has been churning out for months now have very little substantive evidence for their fear-mongering.
The very fact that you keep blabbering about "the non-existent Sansha threat" and how "enlightened and elevated" everyone would be if he was allowed to succeed is reason enough for many.
Syn Callibri Ilharess of the Scorpion Tribe
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Medarr
Amarr Omega Transport and Security
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Posted - 2010.07.29 00:51:00 -
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Your efforts will fall on deaf ears. Ive seen it before. The empire's see no real threat in this and there for will not unite against the nation. However, certain elements within the empire's feel that we should remain cautious non the less and watch closely as events unfold. thus here I am watching and listening.
As for thoughts,
I think the Nation needs to make its opening gambit first, then we will see the responce we sought now. Pray its not to late.
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END GRAVE
Caldari Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2010.07.29 01:42:00 -
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The state takes this as a direct attack against its people, every one of those that has been lost will be rescued or avenged.
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