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Darth Vapour
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Posted - 2010.08.04 07:06:00 -
[1741]
Edited by: Darth Vapour on 04/08/2010 07:06:17
 Originally by: cheet sheet
Why dont you go and test on the 5th and see what they do try and help out and then you can see for your self if its a smokescreen or not 
I've been in most mass tests and will be in the next one. Provided CCP gets SiSi patched in the next 36 hours so your overview shows what is on grid with you now and not what was on grid 3 jumps ago.
If this is done the test will go pretty much as the last few did:
-200 to 300 people will turn up and wait 90 minutes getting fleets set up
-10 minutes of jumping and traffic control
-10 minutes of fighting with acceptable lag as it is a dedicated node in an empty galaxy
-CCP spawns 100 Sleepers and everything lags out
-CCP Tanis or Habbakuk posts FPS numbers and how useful data was gathered and promising changes were tested.
Repeat every few weeks for the next 17 months.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.08.04 07:10:00 -
[1742]
Originally by: Darth Vapour
Edited by: Darth Vapour on 04/08/2010 07:06:17
Originally by: cheet sheet
Why dont you go and test on the 5th and see what they do try and help out and then you can see for your self if its a smokescreen or not
I've been in most mass tests and will be in the next one. Provided CCP gets SiSi patched in the next 36 hours so your overview shows what is on grid with you now and not what was on grid 3 jumps ago.
If this is done the test will go pretty much as the last few did:
-200 to 300 people will turn up and wait 90 minutes getting fleets set up
-10 minutes of jumping and traffic control
-10 minutes of fighting with acceptable lag as it is a dedicated node in an empty galaxy
-CCP spawns 100 Sleepers and everything lags out
-CCP Tanis or Habbakuk posts FPS numbers and how useful data was gathered and promising changes were tested.
Repeat every few weeks for the next 17 months.
In the meantime nullsec is getting even moar populated and generally improved due to the lack of serious fleet pew pew action.
Working as intended. 
Originally by: Balsak
Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
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Grath Telkin
Amarr
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.08.04 07:12:00 -
[1743]
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
I know you guys do not like to hear that CCP employees are reading this thread and listening to you. We are. Yes, we even read the occasional incoherent post.
There is a huge amount of action, trial & error, planning, discussion, and occasionally disagreements about priorities. But we are absolutely not ignoring you.
No, we do not believe that "all publicity is good publicity." No, we are not encouraging other sites to link to this thread. We are far too focused on the hard work of bug fixes, performance improvements, scalability, and more.
We are also looking for ways to communicate more about what is happening behind the scenes. Honestly, that's probably where folks like myself can contribute the most to EVE Online.
You may also have the ability to contribute to improving your game. If you have time on August 5 to help test our latest fixes and improvements, please visit this thread for instructions and timing:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1267555
Thank you in advance,
Zin
Hi, I know you don't want to hear that I'm reading your post, but here goes in a nutshell:
1) the last devblog says your lying to us - lag is most certainly not your #1 priority, dust/incarna are, which, from our perspective, sucks.
2) you communicate just fine, till you find out we know you've done something ******ed, then you pass it off to your PR department which totally screws up the job because they are exactly that, a PR department.
Again, communication just fine : you told us you have significantly more devs working on ******ed things like dresses and bars in stations, and a FPS that many of us won't be able to play because your passing it off to consoles that will be outdated and replaced in 2 more years. We heard you, and we think it sucks.
Im a UStz player, so my list of reasons that I can't make your tests are as follows:
1) You gave IHUBs too many hitpoints, it takes hours to shoot it
2) You gave stations too many hitpoints, it takes hours to shoot it
3) You actually got the SBU's about right, but they still take a good while to shoot
4) You moved a lot of POS mods outside of the shields to give us small gang warfare targets, then, you gave them millions of hit points so small gangs really have no hope of taking them down, they take hours to shoot.
5) You made station services targetable, again for small gang warfare, then gave them millions of hit points, they take hours to shoot.
So, when you add up all those hours, pretty much from down time to down time is spent shooting inanimate objects in 0.0 right now, because we can only use about 50 people to do it, since anymore cripples the server.
Unfortunately, you won't be getting to any possible review of the horrid sov mechanics that you've saddled us with, so unfortunately, most of the big 0.0 alliances are in someway going to be repping, or shooting, the millions and millions of hit points that some douche bag thought was a good idea, for the foreseeable future, so your never going to get a decent turn out.
Test on the live server, it can't get anyworse than it already is.
TEST ON THE LIVE SERVER
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HarrietMiers
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2010.08.04 07:12:00 -
[1744]
Edited by: HarrietMiers on 04/08/2010 07:13:16
Originally by: Zeba
In the meantime nullsec is getting even moar populated and generally improved due to the lack of serious fleet pew pew action.
Working as intended.
Your trolling is a little obvious bro.
Just sayin.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.08.04 07:17:00 -
[1745]
Originally by: HarrietMiers
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Darth Vapour
Edited by: Darth Vapour on 04/08/2010 07:06:17
Originally by: cheet sheet
Why dont you go and test on the 5th and see what they do try and help out and then you can see for your self if its a smokescreen or not
I've been in most mass tests and will be in the next one. Provided CCP gets SiSi patched in the next 36 hours so your overview shows what is on grid with you now and not what was on grid 3 jumps ago.
If this is done the test will go pretty much as the last few did:
-200 to 300 people will turn up and wait 90 minutes getting fleets set up
-10 minutes of jumping and traffic control
-10 minutes of fighting with acceptable lag as it is a dedicated node in an empty galaxy
-CCP spawns 100 Sleepers and everything lags out
-CCP Tanis or Habbakuk posts FPS numbers and how useful data was gathered and promising changes were tested.
Repeat every few weeks for the next 17 months.
In the meantime nullsec is getting even moar populated and generally improved due to the lack of serious fleet pew pew action.
Working as intended.
Your trolling is a little obvious bro.
Just sayin.
Your faithful toeing of the political spin line for your alliance masters is a little obvious bro.
Just sayin.
C'mon. Are there any real contenders for teh ownership of this thread? I'm starting to get tired of the endless incompetant self denial poasts tbh. Have some pride you gits.
Originally by: Balsak
Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
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Matt Kaiser
Heralds of Vengeance
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Posted - 2010.08.04 07:18:00 -
[1746]
This thread still exist?
CCP must leave this here as a nice **** you to the players 
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.08.04 07:22:00 -
[1747]
Originally by: Matt Kaiser
This thread still exist?
CCP must leave this here as a nice **** you to the players
Its one of those lulz moments for anyone with half a brain. Good thread tbh as it points out all the posers alts.
Time to roll new ones really as they have already used up any possible forums credulity..
Originally by: Balsak
Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
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TheBlueMonkey
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.08.04 07:39:00 -
[1748]
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
I know you guys do not like to hear that CCP employees are reading this thread and listening to you. We are. Yes, we even read the occasional incoherent post.
There is a huge amount of action, trial & error, planning, discussion, and occasionally disagreements about priorities. But we are absolutely not ignoring you.
No, we do not believe that "all publicity is good publicity." No, we are not encouraging other sites to link to this thread. We are far too focused on the hard work of bug fixes, performance improvements, scalability, and more.
We are also looking for ways to communicate more about what is happening behind the scenes. Honestly, that's probably where folks like myself can contribute the most to EVE Online.
You may also have the ability to contribute to improving your game. If you have time on August 5 to help test our latest fixes and improvements, please visit this thread for instructions and timing:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1267555
Thank you in advance,
Zin
I'll help you do your job, which you get paid for, for free when you come to my office and help me do my job for free.
Not sound fair?
Get a better testing department or offer some kind of incentive beyond "we're fixing things".
It's like if my mechanic said "hey, I'll fix your car but could you come in on saturday and give me a hand" um... no...
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Nothing is worthless, you may have gotten it for free but it still has an inherent value
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HarrietMiers
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2010.08.04 07:40:00 -
[1749]
Originally by: Zeba
Your faithful toeing of the political spin line for your alliance masters is a little obvious bro.
Just sayin.
What are you talking about? This is my main, I'm a bear. See my alliance ticker?
You're shockingly stupid.
Originally by: Zeba
C'mon. Are there any real contenders for teh ownership of this thread? I'm starting to get tired of the endless incompetant self denial poasts tbh. Have some pride you gits.
You're an awful, awful troll.
0/10
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Xroxreariad Ramatarapap
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Posted - 2010.08.04 07:46:00 -
[1750]
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
We are also looking for ways to communicate more about what is happening behind the scenes.
Regarding communication, you may also consider to start practicing community polls as was suggested here. Each time some important question pops up, or when you just want to know how your customers feel about this and that, launch a poll within the client. (and make results public)
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.08.04 07:48:00 -
[1751]
Originally by: HarrietMiers
Originally by: Zeba
Your faithful toeing of the political spin line for your alliance masters is a little obvious bro.
Just sayin.
What are you talking about? This is my main, I'm a bear. See my alliance ticker?
You're shockingly stupid.
Originally by: Zeba
C'mon. Are there any real contenders for teh ownership of this thread? I'm starting to get tired of the endless incompetant self denial poasts tbh. Have some pride you gits.
You're an awful, awful troll.
0/10
Awww. 
So since you have no actual argument you resort to ad hominem attacks and tired trollish accusations?
If this keeps up then this thread is mine by default.
Originally by: Balsak
Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
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FinnAgain Zero
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.04 07:48:00 -
[1752]
Do Not Feed The Troll.
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Anyways, CCP Zinf, much if not most of the problems that we're seeing come from the hamfisted manner in which communication has been handled coupled with the contrast between how things are, and how they were. When I was interviewed for E-ON two issues ago (three?), I pointed out that the changes in Apocrypha that made massive fleet fights a reality were the single most important set of upgrades that EVE had ever seen, and something that allowed it to truly fulfill the promise inherent in the concept of a space combat game.
But then Dominion broke that, and introduced a kluged together, half-finished sov system. And instead of fixing it, CCP just kept rolling on, adding more half-finished content on top of the old (which is a problem that's been going on for a while). So while it's nice to talk about how CCP really wants to fix bugs and such, talk is cheap. Which isn't to say that you're not being truthful, just that the word themselves don't amount to much. Without actions to back them up.
CCP is working on fixing everything they broke with Dominion? Okay... like what? How long will we most likely have to wait until the same battles that were possible in Apocrypha are possible now? CCP is working on performance upgrades? Okay, what are the chances that CCP will fix some of the 'low hanging fruit', the easy problems with the UI that negatively impact how the average EVE player experiences the game? ("modify" and "cancel" trade options right next to each other, and no "are you sure" option for cancel? Seriously?) How about planets/stargates/stations flashing red on people's overviews for no reason? Or drone AI that is still broken, where "focus fire" is a serving suggestion and not a rule and "go and attack that target" is something that you drones evidently can change their mind about? If these sorts of problems are being fixed, when can we expect them to be fixed, if they're not, why not?
You're looking for ways to communicate more. Okay, but why is it such a challenge? What would be so hard with, say, tasking the lead dev on the (unfortunately, hypothetical) Progressively Fixing The UI team with creating continually updated progress blogs?
-"Today we identified these five areas that we will begin work on, they are blah, blah blah, blah blah blah, and...
we are working on them because we believe they will confer the following benefits... we believe that we will have made significant progress by blah blah. We will keep you updated."
-"A week has passed, and we have solved the problems with "blah and blah blah, but blah blah blah may take a little more time as there are some weird interactions in the code that we have to chase down. In the meanwhile, we have also added yadda, yadda yadda, and yadda yadda yadda to the queue and we will begin work on those once blah blah blah is finished."
Most of the rage and bad press you're getting aren't just because of the mass of unfinished content, kluged systems that have been abandoned, lag, etc... but that when faced with them CCP's reaction was to say that new content is preferable to having working/polished old content, that fixing the game is their number one priority even though only something like 22 devs are actually working on that, etc...
EVE is an awesome game and a solid intellectual property. The fans, for the most part, have gone well past the point of addiction. It's not that there are problems, it's not even that CCP is having trouble fixing them, it's the utter disdain that the folks at the top seem to have for the playerbase.
It's one thing to say that resources are tight and some issues may take a while to solve.
It's another thing, entirely, to urinate on your customers and try to convince them that it's raining.
And that, why, they should be glad for the refreshing rain since boy, it sure was getting hot.
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HarrietMiers
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2010.08.04 08:00:00 -
[1753]
Edited by: HarrietMiers on 04/08/2010 08:02:30
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: HarrietMiers
Originally by: Zeba
Your faithful toeing of the political spin line for your alliance masters is a little obvious bro.
Just sayin.
What are you talking about? This is my main, I'm a bear. See my alliance ticker?
You're shockingly stupid.
Originally by: Zeba
C'mon. Are there any real contenders for teh ownership of this thread? I'm starting to get tired of the endless incompetant self denial poasts tbh. Have some pride you gits.
You're an awful, awful troll.
0/10
Awww.
So since you have no actual argument you resort to ad hominem attacks and tired trollish accusations?
If this keeps up then this thread is mine by default.
Please keep attention whoring and scrambling for nibbles mr. troll. I'm sure someone, eventually, will bite.
Rather sad to see you so worked up though over an internet spaceship forum.
Edit - So jita 4-4 "protests" are against the EULA, what about the major powers protesting in another way? I'd support in whatever limited capacity I'd be able to.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.08.04 08:06:00 -
[1754]
Originally by: FinnAgain Zero
Do Not Feed The Troll.
So does that mean we can delete all of the replys to the thread and start again fresh with hopefully no emoragetrolling over a niche gameplay mechanic complaint?(however valid it may be)
Originally by: FinnAgain Zero
Blatant trolling
Wow.
Way to get worked up over something less than 10% of the active playerbase even knows about. Sorry that fleet fights are borked but really can't you find something else to occupy your mind until ccp gets around to fixing fleet fight lag? I don't know about other players but when one part of the game was not fun I simply switched to another part of the game that was fun.
I guess this is a concept beyond the grasp of your average cannon fodder.
Originally by: Balsak
Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
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HarrietMiers
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2010.08.04 08:07:00 -
[1755]
Originally by: Zeba
A BLO BLO BLO BLOO
Do go on.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.08.04 08:17:00 -
[1756]
Originally by: HarrietMiers
Please keep attention whoring and scrambling for nibbles mr. troll. I'm sure someone, eventually, will bite.
Rather sad to see you so worked up though over an internet spaceship forum.
Hehe.
Looking at the last two pages(the only ones I made a post in if you care to acknowledge annoyingly obvious and inconvienint to your school of thought stuff like that) it looks like we have a full catfish pond literally jumping out of the water for a 'bite' of me. I mean I knew that I had an adverse effect on trolls but this is like I sprayed forum flavored butter on all my posts. 
Originally by: HarrietMiers
Edit - So jita 4-4 "protests" are against the EULA, what about the major powers protesting in another way? I'd support in whatever limited capacity I'd be able to.
And what exactly is that going to prove or even more importantly accomplish? "Yo CCP!! Even though you obviously know fleet fights lag we thought we would disrupt other players games that have nothing to do with fleet fights just to show you that we care. So now that we have protested and made even moar players(who have nothing to do with fleet fights) game unplayable we feel that you will be able to magically pull the lag fix out of your arse and impliment it. amirite? no really, AMIRITE!!!!!!"
ffs..
I mean reallly..
Originally by: Balsak
Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
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HarrietMiers
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2010.08.04 08:18:00 -
[1757]
Originally by: Zeba
]I MAD!
You sure are bro.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.08.04 08:21:00 -
[1758]
Originally by: HarrietMiers
useless poasting with no intelligent content whilst conveniently evading the real issues or lack of
I'm sorry.
Originally by: Balsak
Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
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HarrietMiers
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2010.08.04 08:24:00 -
[1759]
Originally by: Zeba
I'm going to try to **** on this thread as much as possible because my mother didn't love me enough as a child.
Sorry to hear that brosef. You seem awful upset about something, you should probably stop posting for awhile.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.08.04 08:27:00 -
[1760]
Originally by: HarrietMiers
Originally by: Zeba
I'm going to try to **** on this thread as much as possible because my mother didn't love me enough as a child.
Sorry to hear that brosef. You seem awful upset about something, you should probably stop posting for awhile.
NO U! 
Originally by: Balsak
Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
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Ban Doga
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Posted - 2010.08.04 08:31:00 -
[1761]
Edited by: Ban Doga on 04/08/2010 08:32:32
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
We are also looking for ways to communicate more about what is happening behind the scenes. Honestly, that's probably where folks like myself can contribute the most to EVE Online.
If you already came to that conclusion why don't you act upon it?!
Time and again some CCP folk will post "we know we should work on improving communication, that's the one thing we can all do to improve the situation" and then nothing happens.
Why is it so hard for you guys to translate insight into actions?!
And don't start with those mass tests again.
We can only show you the door and have done so many times in those tests, but going through it is entirely your job.
If can't or don't want to do that, then no amount of testing will change a thing (see also "Why is it so hard for you guys to translate insight into actions?!")
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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2010.08.04 08:32:00 -
[1762]
Guys Guys, Chill.
_____________________________________
Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout
Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.08.04 08:34:00 -
[1763]
Originally by: Blane Xero
Guys Guys, Chill.
Bah..
Where where you when we needed you? 
Originally by: Balsak
Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
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mippie
Amarr
Endless Inc.
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Posted - 2010.08.04 08:47:00 -
[1764]
Originally by: TheBlueMonkey
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
I know you guys do not like to hear that CCP employees are reading this thread and listening to you. We are. Yes, we even read the occasional incoherent post.
There is a huge amount of action, trial & error, planning, discussion, and occasionally disagreements about priorities. But we are absolutely not ignoring you.
No, we do not believe that "all publicity is good publicity." No, we are not encouraging other sites to link to this thread. We are far too focused on the hard work of bug fixes, performance improvements, scalability, and more.
We are also looking for ways to communicate more about what is happening behind the scenes. Honestly, that's probably where folks like myself can contribute the most to EVE Online.
You may also have the ability to contribute to improving your game. If you have time on August 5 to help test our latest fixes and improvements, please visit this thread for instructions and timing:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1267555
Thank you in advance,
Zin
I'll help you do your job, which you get paid for, for free when you come to my office and help me do my job for free.
Not sound fair?
Get a better testing department or offer some kind of incentive beyond "we're fixing things".
It's like if my mechanic said "hey, I'll fix your car but could you come in on saturday and give me a hand" um... no...
wait.... so your going to come onto the forums, EMONERDRAGE about the lag that CCP clearly cant figure out..and when they ask for ACTUAL players to create the condition in which the lag happens your going to say "no" and continue to ***** and moan....your a fecking ****** who truely does not help this game...
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Sha Kharn
Minmatar
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.08.04 08:53:00 -
[1765]
You takin the **** cpp? With this lag yea ok fine you trolled us whatever...
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spytoon
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Posted - 2010.08.04 08:54:00 -
[1766]
Just voted for Perfect Dark
I would not give this game the sweat off a dead dogs balls. Im out in a few days time. I might come back in 18 months time but hey who knows
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.08.04 08:57:00 -
[1767]
Originally by: mippie
wait.... so your going to come onto the forums, EMONERDRAGE about the lag that CCP clearly cant figure out..and when they ask for ACTUAL players to create the condition in which the lag happens your going to say "no" and continue to ***** and moan....your a fecking ****** who truely does not help this game...
Welcome to the forums!
Originally by: Balsak
Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
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TheBlueMonkey
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.08.04 08:59:00 -
[1768]
Originally by: mippie
wait.... so your going to come onto the forums, EMONERDRAGE about the lag that CCP clearly cant figure out..and when they ask for ACTUAL players to create the condition in which the lag happens your going to say "no" and continue to ***** and moan....your a fecking ****** who truely does not help this game...
¼¼
indeed
There have been "mass tests" in the past and they've seemed to yield little to no results.
The test server is just that, a test server, it's not a mirror of the live server hardware\load wise so a mass test will do little more than tell CCP that the test server can't deal with large numbers of players... useful.
If they insist on "mass testing" on the test server then they'll need to insentivise it and for once it's the kind of thing they can easily insentivise.
When they wanted to test capitals they gave people all lvl 5s so everyone and their ****** could join in.
That was entirely pointless because most of those who can't fly capitals don't know how to fly capitals, it's like getting me to test a jet fighter.
Now they just want pure numbers and they won't offer a bean?
Um... stick 500mil as an incentive and see how many people rush to help.
I'll give them a hint though, loot logging.
That's where my money is, it's not something we need, not something anyone I know wanted and yet we got it.
Even with it turned off I've got a feeling in my water that it has an effect.
There... I helped
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Nothing is worthless, you may have gotten it for free but it still has an inherent value
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mippie
Amarr
Endless Inc.
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Posted - 2010.08.04 08:59:00 -
[1769]
thanks, dont normally post but the bullheadedness of this thread has irritated me, to use the garage analogy, its like taking your car to the mechanic knowing that the prop shaft is broken and when he asks you the issue saying you dont know, its pointless,wastes time and extends the grief for both parties.
thats all CCP wants a couple o'hundred players to create the lag that cant be generated by spawning NPC's....
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Dan Somtaaw
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Posted - 2010.08.04 09:00:00 -
[1770]
Sub's almost up too... I might hang on for another month but... I dont know. A bit out of touch eh guys?
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