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Cmdr Sy
Off Balance Sheet Entity
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Posted - 2006.10.22 11:10:00 -
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Edited by: Cmdr Sy on 22/10/2006 11:11:33
self-*snip*
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Xori Ruscuv
The Scope
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Posted - 2006.10.22 11:12:00 -
[1022]
 Originally by: Amateratsu
Originally by: Xori Ruscuv
Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 22/10/2006 10:59:14
**** you, you ******* necro...
EDIT: that probably wasn'ta cool thing to say, but I mean it, and I'm drunk.
Apologies, i was talking about the latest HP boost in tuxfords sticky.
Never realised how old this thread is.
will be more observent next time:)
Sorry, I shouldn't have said that. I just got my hopes up that maybe CCP was actually THINKING about what they wre doing Then I saw the date!
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Nir
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Posted - 2006.10.22 11:21:00 -
[1023]
lol.. best necro ever 
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ThaMa Gebir
Gallente
Raddick Explorations
Myriad Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.22 11:27:00 -
[1024]
Damn thats a good necro, had me going for a bit and thought it was the latest.
Anyway back to the IBTL crowd and whoruming the fore's
There will be no survivors now that i'm around  - Xorus
pwnt  - Immy
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Earthan
Gallente
GREY COUNCIL
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Posted - 2006.10.22 11:30:00 -
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Well sad part is it never happned i was really really looking forward to it.
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A knight in space,war veteran,Grey Council military officer.
Grey Council webpage
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welsh wizard
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2006.10.22 11:44:00 -
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Well whatever happens I'm looking forward to the changes.
It could be ousting some of the more creative setups though, no more armour tanking Ravens or extender Ishtars because it'd be silly not to take advantage of the ships HP boost (if I've understood correctly?).
It could indirectly solve some of the ship/weapon system imbalance problems people are moaning about which I like.
We should just wait and see how it runs.
Originally by: anonymous
If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.
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The Wizz117
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Posted - 2006.10.22 11:46:00 -
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THE DRONES DONT FORGET TO BOOST THE DRONES
also my fighter drones!
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That ccp created a universe doesen't mean they'r gods
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Xori Ruscuv
The Scope
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Posted - 2006.10.22 11:50:00 -
[1028]
Originally by: LUKEC
This hp increase is just retarded. All hail to 2x extender vaga, 4x extender sleipnir and 4x extender nighthawk.
QTF :'(
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.22 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: welsh wizard
Well whatever happens I'm looking forward to the changes.
It could be ousting some of the more creative setups though, no more armour tanking Ravens or extender Ishtars because it'd be silly not to take advantage of the ships HP boost (if I've understood correctly?).
It could indirectly solve some of the ship/weapon system imbalance problems people are moaning about which I like.
We should just wait and see how it runs.
Namaxa will be fitting even more plates? I tough 3 was enough . However i think he will stop at 4 or 6?
This hp increase is just retarded. All hail to 2x extender vaga, 4x extender sleipnir and 4x extender nighthawk.
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welsh wizard
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2006.10.22 11:55:00 -
[1030]
Originally by: LUKEC
Originally by: welsh wizard
Well whatever happens I'm looking forward to the changes.
It could be ousting some of the more creative setups though, no more armour tanking Ravens or extender Ishtars because it'd be silly not to take advantage of the ships HP boost (if I've understood correctly?).
It could indirectly solve some of the ship/weapon system imbalance problems people are moaning about which I like.
We should just wait and see how it runs.
Namaxa will be fitting even more plates? I tough 3 was enough . However i think he will stop at 4 or 6?
This hp increase is just retarded. All hail to 2x extender vaga, 4x extender sleipnir and 4x extender nighthawk.
We're definitely entering unknown territory here, thats why its best to wait and see instead of analysing it if you ask me.
Not so worried about Vagas anymore because they die with no stabs. :P
Namaxa hasn't played much recently, rl sucks :(
Originally by: anonymous
If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.
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Yazoul Samaiel
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.22 12:04:00 -
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I dont see why ppl aint happy with this HP boost , it is intended to increase the time we pvp in which alos means we have more fun rather than ships insta popping b4 u even get a lock on them some times , also gang fights will be very intrestign now. Also with the rate of findign targets these days and stabbed up ships this is realy a step in the right direction to make pvp intresting once again 
As for mini guns and lasers etc , they will prob get boost either in this patch or in refix for it but either way we dotn know so wait , test and then see.
"There is no such thing as innocence , only different degrees of guilt"
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Lucus Ranger
Gallente
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.10.22 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel
I dont see why ppl aint happy with this HP boost , it is intended to increase the time we pvp in which alos means we have more fun rather than ships insta popping b4 u even get a lock on them some times , also gang fights will be very intrestign now. Also with the rate of findign targets these days and stabbed up ships this is realy a step in the right direction to make pvp intresting once again
As for mini guns and lasers etc , they will prob get boost either in this patch or in refix for it but either way we dotn know so wait , test and then see.
Completly agree with this, lets just wait and see how it works out on SISI before we start whining 
btw good necro 
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2006.10.22 12:46:00 -
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Lol, excellent necro.
I think this proves that we can increase ship HP without the world ending
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FawKa
Gallente
Old Farts
The Phantom Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.22 12:47:00 -
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As Pottsey say on the second page we got a problem with passive shield tank.
Even if you increse the recharge with the same as the shield HP we got a bloody problem.
With shield power relays you will get even more shield recharged after fitting one module. A ship full of extenders and shield relays would be impossible to beat what so ever !
please think it over.
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Xori Ruscuv
The Scope
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Posted - 2006.10.22 12:55:00 -
[1035]
Originally by: Patch86
I think this proves that we can increase ship HP without the world ending
What "your side" seems not to understand is that there is a certain point where enough is enough. Increasing HP last time may not have been terribly harmful, but there is reason to believe that this time around it could be detrimental.
Basically there is widespread panic among certain groups of gun users - notably:
- blasters
- lasers
- arties
There is a reason for this panic. I won't bother to reiterate these things here - they've been discussed to death in other threads.
There is also worry about how passive bonuses could be too overpowered - especially due to the plate/extender changes.
I think that the plate/extender changes are really a bigger worry than the actual ship HP changes, anyway.
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Merc Avenger
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Posted - 2006.10.22 13:11:00 -
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I deeply hope that these changes of "different" Hp boost based on race preference never make it to the game. First off we have two races that do one type of tanking exclusively, and allready have more HP of their preferred tanking type. (Caldari have more shield HP than Minmatar have, Amaar more armor than Gallente).
First off by giving the "purebred" tanking a higher % bonus to their allready higher HP to caldari give more actual shield HP than the same bonus for minmatar would give. Then we come to the second and critical fault. Raising resistance on your primary tanking HP is logical, and will FURTHER widen the cap between purebred and mixed race tanking. So in essence any mixed boosting will make help specialized races far more than the all-round races.
If the intention is to boost caldari/amaar tanking with 100% efficiency and give gallente/minmatar only half that, this "balance" will fit the bill perfectly. Question is if this change as it stands, isn't really a bad joke or a future lesson in horribly unbalanced game design 101.
Just the last observation. It cant even be remotely wellbalanced when one consider the "blend" setup for Khanid, Gallente and Minmatar. MOST Minmatar ships would be classified as "blend" yet gets LESS structure than Khanid and Gallente(who already have the highest base number by far). I mean, Minmatar must REALLY rock in some area since they get the short end of the stick with this boost......... or is it really Eve in "hard mode" to choose Minmatar?
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Valea Silpha
Death Monkey's With Knives
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Posted - 2006.10.22 13:16:00 -
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My biggest concern about increasing all the HP stuff is the combination ecm/nos/drones.
The only real way to kill them is by ganking them before they get a jam cycle off or have enough time to really nail your cap.
<Hammerhead> TomB is doing the nerfing
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Ituralde
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.10.22 19:05:00 -
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Amarr need their cap use looked at if this HP increase is going to go through.
Being only able to bake a fraction of the way through your enemy before both your guns and your tank shut off is not very nice.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2006.10.22 20:26:00 -
[1039]
Originally by: Xori Ruscuv
Originally by: Patch86
I think this proves that we can increase ship HP without the world ending
What "your side" seems not to understand is that there is a certain point where enough is enough. Increasing HP last time may not have been terribly harmful, but there is reason to believe that this time around it could be detrimental.
Basically there is widespread panic among certain groups of gun users - notably:
- blasters
- lasers
- arties
There is a reason for this panic. I won't bother to reiterate these things here - they've been discussed to death in other threads.
There is also worry about how passive bonuses could be too overpowered - especially due to the plate/extender changes.
I think that the plate/extender changes are really a bigger worry than the actual ship HP changes, anyway.
Heh, I have a side? Brill 
Anyhow, I'm very aware of the prolems a potential 50% HP increase can cause. I love the thought of 50% more HP, but I'm not stupid enough to think you can simply boost the HP and everything will be fine.
I'm waiting before my panicy "omfg un-nerf everything" posts until after we've seen ALL the changes made. We have no idea if Cap use, size of ammo and charges, and Artillery bonuses are all being changed too- all we've seen is a tiny post by tux roughly outlining the most obvious changes he culd remember at the time.
Al I'm saying is actually give CCP a chance to screw up before we get angry
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Epsilon 1
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Posted - 2006.10.22 20:55:00 -
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<3 TomB 
Originally by: Tuxford
Ah yes the Amarrians. Now bear with me apparantly I don't play Amarr or have ever heard of them, I read it on the forums.
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Areconus
Caldari
Cereal Killerz
Chimaera Pact
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Posted - 2006.10.22 21:12:00 -
[1041]
Maybe someone has already psoted this but, the Ferox will become even more uber at passive tanking than it already is.
Gloria Stitz-
"Try not to bring reality in to these forums
Otherwise we might take the game seriously" |
Capt Rob
Minmatar
Black Omega Security
The OSS
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Posted - 2006.10.22 21:29:00 -
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at least according to oveur, these dumb changes wont be made for a little while
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Amarr knight
LoneStar Industries
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.10.22 21:45:00 -
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For gods sake ppl this is a 2004 thread. Stop replying to it like its recent. Necro ftl. Lock this damn thread.
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