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Annette Aumer
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.07.24 16:08:00 -
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I for one as a low/mid skill miner am really happy with these changes. I'm also poor so cannot afford to have an alt haul for me.
I do love now that you have the options;
Max Yield - Covetor / Hulk (Fleet ops / Min maxing solo multibox gangs)
Max Tank - Procurer / Skiff ( WH / Deep space dangerous ops)
Max Storage - Retriever / Mac ( Solo Miners / Social players / forum trolls / corp recruiters)
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Annette Aumer
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2012.07.24 16:10:00 -
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There is one elephant in the room though.
if you're mining in a Skiff for example... you're getting 3xyield of 1 strip miner.. only using one crystal?
how does the extra ore from the 2 extra crystals in the hulk work out agains the extra cost of 2 more crystals? or is that just a non-issue? |
Annette Aumer
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2012.07.24 16:19:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:Annette Aumer wrote:There is one elephant in the room though.
if you're mining in a Skiff for example... you're getting 3xyield of 1 strip miner.. only using one crystal?
how does the extra ore from the 2 extra crystals in the hulk work out agains the extra cost of 2 more crystals? or is that just a non-issue? the hulk's 3 strips mine more than the skiff's 1 strip due to exhumer bonuses.
I'm aware of that. what i'm asking is does the extra crystal consumption weigh correctly with the extra amount of yield?
IE I have zero idea on crystal costs. i only use strip miner I's at the moment.
So i'm not sure if having to use 3 crystals instead of one is a big hit to isk flow. |
Annette Aumer
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2012.07.25 09:10:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:Dominika Brumarova wrote:Sigras wrote:Stefan1978 wrote:Top Miner in Hulk do before and after Patch 5884m-¦ or ore in one cycle drones in121 sec (closest to astroid) 824m-¦ (mining drones rig tech II) so what you have after go pissing in 121 sec x2 - 1 sec for hauling?? Math is not yours? 5884m-¦ + 4x424m-¦ = 7580!!!! That is reason for 7500m-¦ !!
And now give back the old Cargo and stop Stupid 8.August Patch!!!! It Hurts. if you want to AFK mine, go buy a Mackinaw Well i want to go to WC or to check my dinner in the kitchen........?2 cycles are ussualy enought for that. get a mackinaw or suck it up that the game won't play itself while you're not at the computer.
This is one of those gold nuggets worth panning for. o7 |
Annette Aumer
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2012.07.26 11:58:00 -
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Newest build up on Sisi
no crystal size reduction
no cargobay expansion
but Ore bays on the Retreiver and Mac have been reduced and the bonus has been reduced from 10% to 5% |
Annette Aumer
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2012.07.26 13:18:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:so that puts the retriever at 20*1.25 = 25k m3 cargo...
and the mackinaw at uh... 31.25 k m3?
infact, why am i guessing? i'll check sisi.
mack calculations were right, but the retriever has had the ore bay increased (or i'm just being forgetful thinking it was 20k m3 to begin with) so it's 20*1.5 = 28125 m3
with the ore bays that close, the mackinaw is now redundant.
you're doing your calculation at *1.5 for the retrieiver? its 5% bonus per level not 10%? |
Annette Aumer
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2012.07.26 14:34:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:Annette Aumer wrote:Dave stark wrote:so that puts the retriever at 20*1.25 = 25k m3 cargo...
and the mackinaw at uh... 31.25 k m3?
infact, why am i guessing? i'll check sisi.
mack calculations were right, but the retriever has had the ore bay increased (or i'm just being forgetful thinking it was 20k m3 to begin with) so it's 20*1.5 = 28125 m3
with the ore bays that close, the mackinaw is now redundant. you're doing your calculation at *1.5 for the retrieiver? its 5% bonus per level not 10%? i think i need more sleep. what i wrote there was absolute ******* jibberish. let me try again; the old calculation was 20*1.5 = 30k, the new calculation is 22.5*1.25 = 28.125. for the retriever. the mackinaw has just been reduced from 37.5k to 31.25k. previously there was a 7.5k difference which is less than two cycles, however the sheer volume it has to begin with justified the difference. now the difference and the initial size has been reduced the mackinaw's only difference from the retriever is the tank; which is only better because it has to be to avoid suicide ganks which is a different subject entirely.
haha yea
I'm a little sad they've reduced the ore bay on the mac, it has completely removed my want for it. I'll just use a retreiver as the yield difference i'm guessing will be minimal.
/on rant
as for the suicide ganking thing.. that forum post is elsewhere and is hilarious.
Of Course suicide ganking was never designed to be profitable. It was always intended as a way for people to reallllly **** people off and ruin their day.
Instead its become some form of metagaming where people calculate losses and then ruin peoples days and make them ragequit just for fun and tears AND earn money. pfft. I think thats having their cake and eating it.
/off rant |
Annette Aumer
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2012.07.26 14:43:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:Annette Aumer wrote:Dave stark wrote:Annette Aumer wrote:Dave stark wrote:so that puts the retriever at 20*1.25 = 25k m3 cargo...
and the mackinaw at uh... 31.25 k m3?
infact, why am i guessing? i'll check sisi.
mack calculations were right, but the retriever has had the ore bay increased (or i'm just being forgetful thinking it was 20k m3 to begin with) so it's 20*1.5 = 28125 m3
with the ore bays that close, the mackinaw is now redundant. you're doing your calculation at *1.5 for the retrieiver? its 5% bonus per level not 10%? i think i need more sleep. what i wrote there was absolute ******* jibberish. let me try again; the old calculation was 20*1.5 = 30k, the new calculation is 22.5*1.25 = 28.125. for the retriever. the mackinaw has just been reduced from 37.5k to 31.25k. previously there was a 7.5k difference which is less than two cycles, however the sheer volume it has to begin with justified the difference. now the difference and the initial size has been reduced the mackinaw's only difference from the retriever is the tank; which is only better because it has to be to avoid suicide ganks which is a different subject entirely. haha yea I'm a little sad they've reduced the ore bay on the mac, it has completely removed my want for it. I'll just use a retreiver as the yield difference i'm guessing will be minimal. /on rant as for the suicide ganking thing.. that forum post is elsewhere and is hilarious. Of Course suicide ganking was never designed to be profitable. It was always intended as a way for people to reallllly **** people off and ruin their day. Instead its become some form of metagaming where people calculate losses and then ruin peoples days and make them ragequit just for fun and tears AND earn money. pfft. I think thats having their cake and eating it. /off rant mackinaw is exhumer I requirement now, so going from a ret to a mack with bare minimum mack skills you gain less than 1 cycle of ore's space, and 1% yield bonus. and at max skill you gain less than 1 cycle of ore's space, and 5% yield. (and maybe the cpu to fit a 2nd/3rd mlu) but you're giving up all of your cpu so you can't fit tank modules
This makes me a sad panda. thats barely an upgrade at all.
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Annette Aumer
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2012.07.27 15:40:00 -
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Adrenalinemax wrote:Just playing on SiSi, seems they change shield resists for exhumers from 5% to 7.5% per level of mining barge
naked hulk em resist 0%
jump in with mining barge 5 pilot - 25% em resist
either the ship is wrong or the description is wrong...
anyone else see this?
that was there a few days ago too. Because of the lack of mid slots i beleive thats by design.
In regards to the Crystal changes.
Strip miner capacity has also been halved. |
Annette Aumer
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2012.07.27 15:47:00 -
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Denidil wrote:these resist changes are bad, and CCP should feel bad.
Why?
Its how they're adding the more tank to the Exhumers.
You'll have Barge V to be able to fly an exhumer which gives you 25% EM resist in your shield. it gives you a more balanced shield without having to sacrifice too many mid slots?
or am I needing to L2P? |
Annette Aumer
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2012.07.27 15:50:00 -
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Jake Rivers wrote:Sheynan wrote:...this will never end cause I want more, more give me more, give me more...
*whistles* No one is asking for more, just to be able to have the same selection we currently lug around in the hulk. 15-20 crystals is not an unreasonable amount to have on hand, I carry this many on each of my 3 hulks when I am mining, and I try to vary the types between each hulk.
so a reduction to 20m3 for the T2 crystals will see you happy at 17 crystals in a hulks cargohold if i'm reading that right. |
Annette Aumer
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2012.07.27 15:59:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:Annette Aumer wrote:Jake Rivers wrote:Sheynan wrote:...this will never end cause I want more, more give me more, give me more...
*whistles* No one is asking for more, just to be able to have the same selection we currently lug around in the hulk. 15-20 crystals is not an unreasonable amount to have on hand, I carry this many on each of my 3 hulks when I am mining, and I try to vary the types between each hulk. so a reduction to 20m3 for the T2 crystals will see you happy at 17 crystals in a hulks cargohold if i'm reading that right. 14 crystals @ 25m3, not 20m3.
Dave. I love you but learn to read. I wasn't quoting at 25m3. i was answering the guy who wanted between 15-20 crystals like he already can. so i fiddled the numbers and found that 350m3 divided by 20 would give you 17 (17.5 but you can't buy halfcrystals)
and basically asked him if the crystals WERE 20m3 would he be happy. |
Annette Aumer
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2012.07.27 16:08:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:
i haven't had my afternoon nap, it's too warm to sleep.
:(
haha no worries, I know the feeling. It will soon be hometime for me. Or more accurately "go to a beergarden to enjoy whats left of the sunshine as you've been working in an office all day" but its not quite as catchy. |
Annette Aumer
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2012.07.27 18:40:00 -
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Infinite Force wrote:Denidil wrote:Infinite Force wrote:Having two threads basically addressing the same issues kind of bites, but here goes:. not everyone reads this forum Nor do they search them either :( No matter. After 16 pages, it's always good to summarize - even if it's in the OP. (hint, hint)
The man with the Gammy eye has a point. update the OP! |
Annette Aumer
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2012.07.27 19:04:00 -
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Ok dumb question.
Why do you need such a large selection? I'm a low skill miner in a retriever currently. I watch the market and buy the ore I can refine into the best isk/m3 that is really if i want to spend time in 1 belt.. 2 ore's at the moment i'm focusing on.
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