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Denidil
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
298
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Posted - 2012.07.23 15:20:00 -
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title says all I like all these gankbear tears, now maybe you'll have to go prove your "l33t pvp" skills against something that shoots back like the rest of us do. |
Sarmatiko
750
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Posted - 2012.07.23 15:35:00 -
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First raw stats from static data: http://pastebin.com/frBc2muR
Let The EFTing Begin!
ps: as alway this may not be the final stats. Just raw because you want it "here and now"
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Sheynan
Lighting the blight
26
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Posted - 2012.07.23 16:01:00 -
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that said, is an Inferno 1.2 version already available somewhere of EFT/Pyfa whatever program ? |
Denidil
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
298
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Posted - 2012.07.23 18:10:00 -
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i love those changes... my mining char has a 35000m3 ore bay on her mack with those stats and bonuses.. ME GUSTA I like all these gankbear tears, now maybe you'll have to go prove your "l33t pvp" skills against something that shoots back like the rest of us do. |
Denidil
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
298
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Posted - 2012.07.23 18:30:00 -
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hulk bonuses are unchanged so (so it's mining yield is unchanged) so we can figure out all the mining rates relative to a hulk
these calculations are based on Exhumers V/Barge V char, for mining rock not ice - this is without MLUs
Ship - Strips * modifiers = effective # of strip mining modules
Hulk - 3 strips * 1.15 (barge V) * 1.15 (exhumers V) = 3.9675 Mackinaw - 2 strips * 1.50 (role bonus) * 1.05 (exhumers V) = 3.15 Skiff - 1 strips * 3 (role bonus) * 1.05 = 3.15
Covetor - 3 strips * 1.2 (barge V) = 3.6 Retriever - 2 strips * 1.5 (role bonus) = 3 strips Procurer - 1 strips * 3 (role bonus) = 3 strips
or % relative to a hulk
Mackinaw: 79.4% Skiff: 79.4%
Covetor: 90.7% Retriever: 75.6% Procurer: 75.6% I like all these gankbear tears, now maybe you'll have to go prove your "l33t pvp" skills against something that shoots back like the rest of us do. |
Denidil
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
298
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Posted - 2012.07.23 19:16:00 -
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Feedback: i think all barges could use a PG boost. I like all these gankbear tears, now maybe you'll have to go prove your "l33t pvp" skills against something that shoots back like the rest of us do. |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
581
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Posted - 2012.07.23 19:39:00 -
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Denidil wrote:Feedback: i think all barges could use a PG boost.
Why? Fiddling with what this enables now (rigs used for tank instead of expanders) and I can get about 16k out of a hulk now, that'll go to 30k or so post-patch. Ganking that will require three tornados. Is that not good enough for you? . |
Soon Shin
Caucasian Culture Club Transmission Lost
104
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Posted - 2012.07.23 19:46:00 -
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LOOK at the Rookie Ships changes! |
JamesCLK
Lone Star Exploration Lone Star Partners
189
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Posted - 2012.07.23 20:17:00 -
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Soon Shin wrote:LOOK at the Rookie Ships changes! Dat ECM Ibis... |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
277
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Posted - 2012.07.23 20:20:00 -
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so you can't actually test these changes.. they are all data mined....? everything works the same way it did on sisi. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/consultsig.jpg[/IMG] |
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Denidil
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
298
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Posted - 2012.07.23 20:25:00 -
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corestwo wrote:Denidil wrote:Feedback: i think all barges could use a PG boost. Why? Fiddling with what this enables now (rigs used for tank instead of expanders) and I can get about 16k out of a hulk now, that'll go to 30k or so post-patch. Ganking that will require three tornados. Is that not good enough for you?
i didn't say a large increase.
[edit] note: the skiff got an increase and it was enough to make the new possible fits to make me **** my pants [j/k] I like all these gankbear tears, now maybe you'll have to go prove your "l33t pvp" skills against something that shoots back like the rest of us do. |
Dave stark
Bombardier Inc
209
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Posted - 2012.07.23 20:37:00 -
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corestwo wrote:Denidil wrote:Feedback: i think all barges could use a PG boost. Why? Fiddling with what this enables now (rigs used for tank instead of expanders) and I can get about 16k out of a hulk now, that'll go to 30k or so post-patch. Ganking that will require three tornados. Is that not good enough for you?
does this mean there's going to be an increase on hulkageddon payouts in order to compensate for more/bigger ships needed to gank hulks and keep it profitable for the gankers?
or, are the high sec miners safe now? Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Denidil
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
298
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Posted - 2012.07.23 20:39:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:corestwo wrote:Denidil wrote:Feedback: i think all barges could use a PG boost. Why? Fiddling with what this enables now (rigs used for tank instead of expanders) and I can get about 16k out of a hulk now, that'll go to 30k or so post-patch. Ganking that will require three tornados. Is that not good enough for you? does this mean there's going to be an increase on hulkageddon payouts in order to compensate for more/bigger ships needed to gank hulks and keep it profitable for the gankers? or, are the high sec miners safe now?
a skiff can get a 84k EHP tank and get the effective output of 3.99 strip miners ( a hulk with 2 MLUs is 5 effective )
it can get a 107k ehp tank if it gives up an MLU for a DCU
I like all these gankbear tears, now maybe you'll have to go prove your "l33t pvp" skills against something that shoots back like the rest of us do. |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
277
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Posted - 2012.07.23 20:42:00 -
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Anyone know what "eliteBonusBarge" 1, 2, and 3 is? [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/consultsig.jpg[/IMG] |
Dave stark
Bombardier Inc
209
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Posted - 2012.07.23 20:43:00 -
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Denidil wrote:Dave stark wrote:corestwo wrote:Denidil wrote:Feedback: i think all barges could use a PG boost. Why? Fiddling with what this enables now (rigs used for tank instead of expanders) and I can get about 16k out of a hulk now, that'll go to 30k or so post-patch. Ganking that will require three tornados. Is that not good enough for you? does this mean there's going to be an increase on hulkageddon payouts in order to compensate for more/bigger ships needed to gank hulks and keep it profitable for the gankers? or, are the high sec miners safe now? a skiff can get a 84k EHP tank and get the effective output of 3.99 strip miners ( a hulk with 2 MLUs is 5 effective ) it can get a 107k ehp tank if it gives up an MLU for a DCU
if goons are paying enough, you'll still have people ganking a ship with that much ehp. never underestimate goon spending power. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
277
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Posted - 2012.07.23 20:44:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:corestwo wrote:Denidil wrote:Feedback: i think all barges could use a PG boost. Why? Fiddling with what this enables now (rigs used for tank instead of expanders) and I can get about 16k out of a hulk now, that'll go to 30k or so post-patch. Ganking that will require three tornados. Is that not good enough for you? does this mean there's going to be an increase on hulkageddon payouts in order to compensate for more/bigger ships needed to gank hulks and keep it profitable for the gankers? or, are the high sec miners safe now?
nothing is every 100% safe from gank unless it's parked in an NPC station. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/consultsig.jpg[/IMG] |
Dave stark
Bombardier Inc
209
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Posted - 2012.07.23 20:47:00 -
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Barbara Nichole wrote:Dave stark wrote:corestwo wrote:Denidil wrote:Feedback: i think all barges could use a PG boost. Why? Fiddling with what this enables now (rigs used for tank instead of expanders) and I can get about 16k out of a hulk now, that'll go to 30k or so post-patch. Ganking that will require three tornados. Is that not good enough for you? does this mean there's going to be an increase on hulkageddon payouts in order to compensate for more/bigger ships needed to gank hulks and keep it profitable for the gankers? or, are the high sec miners safe now? nothing is every 100% safe from gank unless it's parked in an NPC station.
very true, but there's no doubt ganking miners is currently as popular as it is because of goon payouts.
i feel i've somewhat derailed the thread, sorry. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
277
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Posted - 2012.07.23 20:52:00 -
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so we're going from a 5% bonus to ice miner duration reduction to 1% on the Mack... does the new rig make up for this loss? [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/consultsig.jpg[/IMG] |
MotherMoon
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1009
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Posted - 2012.07.23 20:56:00 -
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JamesCLK wrote:Soon Shin wrote:LOOK at the Rookie Ships changes! Dat ECM Ibis...
red versus blue just got much more interesting..... Why dust 514 is on Console and not PCBattle field 3 sales Xbox 360: 2.2 million PlayStation 3: 1.5 million PC: 500,000http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg |
Unit757
North Point Cannabis Legionis
9
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Posted - 2012.07.23 20:56:00 -
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There doesn't seem to be any reason to fly a Mackinaw, when the skiff brings in the same yield, with more tank?
IMO, the skiff and Mackinaw seem WAY to AFK friendly.
Interesting changes none the less, I'm willing to bet that people still won't tank them though. |
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MotherMoon
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1009
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Posted - 2012.07.23 20:57:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:corestwo wrote:Denidil wrote:Feedback: i think all barges could use a PG boost. Why? Fiddling with what this enables now (rigs used for tank instead of expanders) and I can get about 16k out of a hulk now, that'll go to 30k or so post-patch. Ganking that will require three tornados. Is that not good enough for you? does this mean there's going to be an increase on hulkageddon payouts in order to compensate for more/bigger ships needed to gank hulks and keep it profitable for the gankers? or, are the high sec miners safe now?
doesn't matter the hulk won't be much stronger. The less you can mine the more safe you are. Why dust 514 is on Console and not PCBattle field 3 sales Xbox 360: 2.2 million PlayStation 3: 1.5 million PC: 500,000http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg |
Denidil
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
298
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Posted - 2012.07.23 21:02:00 -
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Unit757 wrote:There doesn't seem to be any reason to fly a Mackinaw, when the skiff brings in the same yield, with more tank?
IMO, the skiff and Mackinaw seem WAY to AFK friendly.
Interesting changes none the less, I'm willing to bet that people still won't tank them though.
DAT ORE HOLD
mackinaw 37500 ore hold (25k * 1.5 for barge V) I like all these gankbear tears, now maybe you'll have to go prove your "l33t pvp" skills against something that shoots back like the rest of us do. |
Xyrrath Actault
Confederation Navy Research Epsilon Fleet
0
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Posted - 2012.07.23 21:02:00 -
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This game becomes AFK and Bot friendly once again. |
Denidil
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
298
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Posted - 2012.07.23 21:03:00 -
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MotherMoon wrote:Dave stark wrote:corestwo wrote:Denidil wrote:Feedback: i think all barges could use a PG boost. Why? Fiddling with what this enables now (rigs used for tank instead of expanders) and I can get about 16k out of a hulk now, that'll go to 30k or so post-patch. Ganking that will require three tornados. Is that not good enough for you? does this mean there's going to be an increase on hulkageddon payouts in order to compensate for more/bigger ships needed to gank hulks and keep it profitable for the gankers? or, are the high sec miners safe now? doesn't matter the hulk won't be much stronger. The less you can mine the more safe you are.
2 MLU mack/skiff > 0 MLU hulk (3.99 vs 3.9675) 2 MLU hulk > 2 mlu mack/skiff (5 vs 3.99) I like all these gankbear tears, now maybe you'll have to go prove your "l33t pvp" skills against something that shoots back like the rest of us do. |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
277
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Posted - 2012.07.23 21:05:00 -
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Unit757 wrote:There doesn't seem to be any reason to fly a Mackinaw, when the skiff brings in the same yield, with more tank?
IMO, the skiff and Mackinaw seem WAY to AFK friendly.
Interesting changes none the less, I'm willing to bet that people still won't tank them though. don't much care about AFK friendliness as long as they aren't bot friendly. AFK means they are sitting idle in the belt. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/consultsig.jpg[/IMG] |
Unit757
North Point Cannabis Legionis
9
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Posted - 2012.07.23 21:06:00 -
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Denidil wrote:Unit757 wrote:There doesn't seem to be any reason to fly a Mackinaw, when the skiff brings in the same yield, with more tank?
IMO, the skiff and Mackinaw seem WAY to AFK friendly.
Interesting changes none the less, I'm willing to bet that people still won't tank them though. DAT ORE HOLD mackinaw 37500 ore hold (25k * 1.5 for barge V)
True enough.
Still seems way to excesive, I can somewhat understand the buff in defensive abilities, but the huge ore holds and tank is just inviting bots back.
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
277
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Posted - 2012.07.23 21:07:00 -
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Xyrrath Actault wrote:This game becomes AFK and Bot friendly once again. hogwash! [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/consultsig.jpg[/IMG] |
Dave stark
Bombardier Inc
209
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Posted - 2012.07.23 21:10:00 -
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Unit757 wrote:Denidil wrote:Unit757 wrote:There doesn't seem to be any reason to fly a Mackinaw, when the skiff brings in the same yield, with more tank?
IMO, the skiff and Mackinaw seem WAY to AFK friendly.
Interesting changes none the less, I'm willing to bet that people still won't tank them though. DAT ORE HOLD mackinaw 37500 ore hold (25k * 1.5 for barge V) True enough. Still seems way to excesive, I can somewhat understand the buff in defensive abilities, but the huge ore holds and tank is just inviting bots back.
implying ccp aren't actively banning bots. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Denidil
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
298
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Posted - 2012.07.23 21:21:00 -
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Unit757 wrote:Denidil wrote:Unit757 wrote:There doesn't seem to be any reason to fly a Mackinaw, when the skiff brings in the same yield, with more tank?
IMO, the skiff and Mackinaw seem WAY to AFK friendly.
Interesting changes none the less, I'm willing to bet that people still won't tank them though. DAT ORE HOLD mackinaw 37500 ore hold (25k * 1.5 for barge V) True enough. Still seems way to excesive, I can somewhat understand the buff in defensive abilities, but the huge ore holds and tank is just inviting bots back.
they've been banning bots constantly.. you ban one another one shows up
the huge ore hold and the EHP is a nod to the fact taht mining is boring and that they're too easy to gank. post changes my mining char can be up mining while i'm fighting on my other char and i barely have to look. I like all these gankbear tears, now maybe you'll have to go prove your "l33t pvp" skills against something that shoots back like the rest of us do. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8699
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Posted - 2012.07.23 21:35:00 -
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For the time being, until someone creates a preview-data version for EFT or PyFa, the Hulk changes are fairly easy to simulate.
Fit it as you normally would. Once done, remove one lowslot that doesn't affect tanking and put a T1 800mm plate in the slot. Likewise, remove one midslot that doesn't affect tanking and put a MSEII in the slot. If you've already fitted an MSEII, replace it with a meta LSE. Also, ditch any cargo expansion, since it won't make any useful difference. Et voil+á, updated stats! GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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