GǪas was his insinuation that you're screwed if you can't, personally, carry along 2k m-¦ worth of crystals, so he'd just be trading one awful strategy for another and not be worse off.

Crystals increase yield, therefore there needs to be a disadvantage to combat the advantage they provide. Somebody already said they are cheap, so that means the storage issue is it, since cost is not. Don't want to worry about where to put backup crystals? Use T1 miners or head back to the base to pick up new crystals for your T2. Easy peasy.

there already is a drawback, they use more cap.

I love the new ore bay, finally a place for ore where it does not get mixed up with my hold of crystals, but when mining multiple ores to strip a belt/grav (especially if its a small grav where a lot of the rocks vanish after just a few cycles) you need a far bigger selection than the 500m3 hold can carry, and no I don't want to shuttle back and forth to a station/pos/orca/rorq to change up my crystals each time you suck a roid dry and need to change over.

Simply reduce the size of these crystals, can you imagine how annoying it would be for combat if you could only carry 1 or 2 types of lenses for your lasers?

So its an issue, because you cant carry enough of every god damn crystal in the game? Cool, I can't carry every single type of hybrid charge in the game, and have sufficient quantity. The solution is extremely simple, miners must adapt to new method because of the mining changes. PVPers have had tons of changes they have to adapt to, you can deal with just one change.

Solution is simple, dedicate each ship to one type of ore. A hulk can carry 9 reserve crystals in its cargo hold, PLUS it already will have 3 loaded. A machinaw, can carry 6 reserve crystals, plus 2 pre-loaded.

If you want to claim it as a problem, don't try to justify it because the only reason your whining is because you cant carry 6 crystals for every ore in the game. Hulk = FLEET BARGE. Note the word FLEET, meaning more then one ship. Focus on one type per ship.

I can't speak for everyone else, but I usually only carry conflag and sorch, and MAYBE a faction MF. So, it isn't to annoying

Increase the cargohold or reduce crystal size. Simple.

So in other words, it's not a problem GÇö put the crystals in the Orca.

Hello. I have seen some people asking about ICE aspects. I did some personal calculations in TQ and SISI today just for myself. But since i noticed nobody is even mentioning it in this thread i will share it so that the people who did not do that would at least have raw impression how much worse it will be,

Curent Mach. - 2 x IHU + 3% yeti + maxed out orca boost. Has an interval of 49 seconds per ice block. 49/1

After pache

Mach - 3 x IHU + 3% yeti + maxed out orca boost + ICE RIG. 60/1
skiff - 2 x IHU + 3% yeti + maxed out orca boost + ICE RIG. 66/1
Hulk - 2 x IHU + 3% yeti + maxed out orca boost + ICE RIG. 55.33/1

So as u can see if u are still using machs u are loosing out around 22% of your profit per same time spent mining

Why is it that everyone automatically assumes a Min / Max mentality.

No one is advocating or even suggesting that every single crystal be carried - just a subset - if you don't understand what a subset is, it's time to head back to math & statistics.

Just because "Fleet" suddenly becomes the type of ship role, does not suddenly mean that it must only be used in a certain way. If this is the case, I can't wait for all the whining when the combat ships are revamped.

Increase the cargohold or reduce crystal size. Simple.

Don't you worry, I finished school a while ago, I have no need to go back ;)

And that's pretty much what the ship revamp is, it is removing tiers, and giving ships roles, much like the Condor is going to have the ROLE of a T1 interceptor.

As for the crystals, when you think about it, they could use a size reduction, especially if you compare that a large conflag crystal takes up 1m3, and a mining crystal takes up 50, it does seem a little excessive.

Did you also remember to add in the Ice harvestor rig?

500m3 is all you need for crystals. That will give you enough space for 10 T2 crystals, or 16 T1. T2 crystals in a Hulk/Covetor can be configured for 3 sets plus 1 spare crystal of your most important type, or two sets plus two spare of each set. T1 crystals can have 4 sets with a spare for each, or three sets with a full replacement for one set and two spare crystals for the other two sets.

This bullspit about, "I NEED A FULL SET OF EVERY ORE TYPE CRYSTAL IN MY HOLD OMG!!!!!1" is hogwash. Any competent miner is only going to go after a few ore types ( the ones that have high ISK/m3 ) anyway. Miner/Producers, are going to mine the highest ISK/m3 ore they can and sell what they don't use to buy the minerals that they do need, so again limiting the range of ores to just a few which can be easily covered by a limited crystal set in a 500m3 cargo hold.

500m3 is all you need for crystals. That will give you enough space for 10 T2 crystals, or 16 T1. T2 crystals in a Hulk/Covetor can be configured for 3 sets plus 1 spare crystal of your most important type, or two sets plus two spare of each set. T1 crystals can have 4 sets with a spare for each, or three sets with a full replacement for one set and two spare crystals for the other two sets.

This bullspit about, "I NEED A FULL SET OF EVERY ORE TYPE CRYSTAL IN MY HOLD OMG!!!!!1" is hogwash. Any competent miner is only going to go after a few ore types ( the ones that have high ISK/m3 ) anyway. Miner/Producers, are going to mine the highest ISK/m3 ore they can and sell what they don't use to buy the minerals that they do need, so again limiting the range of ores to just a few which can be easily covered by a limited crystal set in a 500m3 cargo hold.

Crap, I didn't remember that T2 cystals are only 50m3, I was thinking they were 100m3 for some reason.

I would agree, it's probably fine as it is.

Edit: Though I certainly wouldn't object to a buff of this. The less pointless logistics the better. After all, the point of it being a fleet ship is that you need someone to haul your ore, not your crystals.

Edit: Though I certainly wouldn't object to a buff of this. The less pointless logistics the better. After all, the point of it being a fleet ship is that you need someone to haul your ore, not your crystals.