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Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.07.31 11:19:00 -
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Since CCP have confirmed that it is completely optional - ie: unnecessary - to spaceships EVE, should Incarna be treated as effectively a new game (or EVE 2 if you like) and be an optional, paid expansion?
As we have seen confirmed by CCP themselves, the costs of Incarna are very considerable. And it is also widely assumed that it will attract a very large number of new players. Would a E/$ 10-20 pricetag be reasonable? This woul provide a lot of revenue to support the future iterations of Incarna that will surely be required to make it a success.
Alternatively, those who have no interest in the ambulation game can decline to buy it, and rest assured that it is bringing in additional resources to pay for its own maintenance rather than at the expense of "spaceships EVE".
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Terro Deagas
Double-Down
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Posted - 2010.07.31 11:23:00 -
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I'm pretty sure they realize that if Incarna was a paid expansion maybe only two people would buy it.
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Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
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Posted - 2010.07.31 11:24:00 -
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Funny, I laughed.
 Originally by: Dr Reinhold
Eve is the endgame. Every other game you have played has just been preparation for this.
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Harris Dorn
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Posted - 2010.07.31 11:24:00 -
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At this point I think CCP would just pocket the money and invest it in WOD or Dust 2 over EVE primary or beefing up Incarna, my trust/faith in them is low.
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Erdiere
Minmatar
Erasers inc.
Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.07.31 11:26:00 -
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I recall CCP stating that incarna isn't completely optional anymore in their current vision for it.
Besides, making it an optional expansion with a price tag would be the ultimate fail from CCP so far.
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Anddeh McNab
Matari Department of Gun Control
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Posted - 2010.07.31 11:36:00 -
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All EVE expansions are free anyway or are you really that concerned about paying by the download?
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Captain Pompous
Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It
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Posted - 2010.07.31 12:04:00 -
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If you're going along the lines of asking people to pay for this, you may as well ask for EVE to have separate shards.
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Antihrist Pripravnik
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.07.31 12:12:00 -
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Why charge for an expansion that half of the community doesn't even like or want? (not that I'm in that bandwagon)
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Kidain
Gallente
Rule of Five
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Posted - 2010.07.31 12:19:00 -
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Edited by: Kidain on 31/07/2010 12:19:22
Originally by: Antihrist Pripravnik
Why charge for an expansion that half of the community doesn't even like or want? (not that I'm in that bandwagon)
Good because most of the other ungrateful gits on this forum are.
Honestly I have never known a community moan so much about free content.
I don't hear the WOW community moaning that Blizzard are developing Starcraft 2 or Diablo III and "taking away resources." And that is probably the poorest community out there.
That's how good companies survive. You never ever put all your eggs in one basket.
I do agree that they should not charge for this. If you don't want to walk around in stations then, erm, don't? 
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Eepzy Nimbles
Nimbles Covenant
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Posted - 2010.07.31 12:35:00 -
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Edited by: Eepzy Nimbles on 31/07/2010 12:34:51
Since they want to attract new players using Incarna, this would be a fairly bad idea. New players will have to be able to go and walk in station right away, rather than having to first buy an expansion.
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Stitcher
Caldari
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2010.07.31 12:35:00 -
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Originally by: Harris Dorn
At this point I think CCP would just pocket the money and invest it in WOD or Dust 2 over EVE primary or beefing up Incarna, my trust/faith in them is low.
WHY?! Why exactly? Do you have trust issues? are you incapable of love?
It's got to be something along those lines because they sure as hell haven't done anything at all to warrant such hostility.
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Lurtz
Caldari
Gunrunners and Gamblers
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Posted - 2010.07.31 12:41:00 -
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We saw CCP once before try to charge extra for an optional addition to game. It was called eve voice, they tried getting an extra $2 a month from anyone that wanted to use it. I think they got $28 before they decided to give it to everyone free... Still no one uses it (not even those 14 that once paid for it)
Personally I couldn't be paid to use it.... or Spacebook, or Incarna for that matter.
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JC Anderson
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.31 12:48:00 -
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Originally by: Lurtz
We saw CCP once before try to charge extra for an optional addition to game. It was called eve voice, they tried getting an extra $2 a month from anyone that wanted to use it. I think they got $28 before they decided to give it to everyone free... Still no one uses it (not even those 14 that once paid for it)
Personally I couldn't be paid to use it.... or Spacebook, or Incarna for that matter.
LOL I had completely forgotten about that... Good point.
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Catherine Griffin
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.07.31 12:48:00 -
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Originally by: Terro Deagas
I'm pretty sure they realize that if Incarna was a paid expansion maybe only two people would buy it.
Make that 3 
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BrundleMeth
Caldari
Temporal Mechanics
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Posted - 2010.07.31 13:10:00 -
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I like free as much as the next guy. But the fact is, people tend to put less value on things they don't have to work for and pay for. The perception is that putting out cash is more likely to make you feel your purchase is of beter quality then it actually is...
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Ran Khanon
Amarr
Swords Horses and Heavy Metal
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Posted - 2010.07.31 13:18:00 -
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Originally by: Anddeh McNab
All EVE expansions are free anyway or are you really that concerned about paying by the download?
& similar responses:
Please speak for yourself.
I for one am really looking forward to Incarna as it has the potential to add a whole new layer of immersion to EVE, not to mention more alternative gameplay options, more realism and more variety in general.
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Abulurd Boniface
Gallente
0ccam's Razor Industries
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Posted - 2010.07.31 13:22:00 -
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Edited by: Abulurd Boniface on 31/07/2010 13:22:14
It makes no sense to make it a paying expansion.
Everybody plays the same version of EVE. If your version is not current, you're incompatible and you can't even log in. So, if this was a paying expansion and some people bought it and others refused to [and they would], now you have two different version running concurrent. From a support perspective CCP would just about tihs <== reading direction itself trying to sort through that mess. That is not going to happen. On top of all other issues large and small you're now working with two versions.
Don't count on it. It's not going to happen.
It would be hard charging money for it, especially in the current mood.
I am a happy customer, I would prefer them to fix the big problems, I'm not sweating the small stuff.
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Serpent Qor
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Posted - 2010.07.31 13:44:00 -
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To everyone being a little girl about the new Incarna expansion: Send me your stuff.
Incarna is the best thing that will happen to EVE.
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Gladys Pank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.07.31 14:10:00 -
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I will happily send you all my incarna stuff once its released. Oh wait, it's got no meaningful content.
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Ran Khanon
Amarr
Swords Horses and Heavy Metal
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Posted - 2010.07.31 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: Gladys Pank
I will happily send you all my incarna stuff once its released.
Quoting this for future reference
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.07.31 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
As we have seen confirmed by CCP themselves, the costs of Incarna are very considerable. And it is also widely assumed that it will attract a very large number of new players. Would a E/$ 10-20 pricetag be reasonable? This woul provide a lot of revenue to support the future iterations of Incarna that will surely be required to make it a success.
You serious?
I would have assumed you'd know that CCP doesn't have ISK (icelandic) problem, but rather don't have a large enough talent pool to pull from.
Paying for an expansion wouldn't change anything.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2010.07.31 14:24:00 -
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This Malcanis guy is proving to be an idiot.
I personally would get a kick out "Incarn" being a paid expansion. It would be one of the lease successful expansions in the history of MMOs.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Ix Forres
Caldari
Righteous Chaps
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Posted - 2010.07.31 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: Kidain
Honestly I have never known a community moan so much about free content.
How would you define free? Because I don't define a game which you pay monthly subscription costs to play as a free game.
Expansions are not free; they're paid for by your subscriptions.
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Novantco
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2010.07.31 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: Kidain
Honestly I have never known a community moan so much about free content
You pay a monthly fee therefore it's not free dumbass.
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Ava Starfire
Minmatar
Nordanverdr Modr
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Posted - 2010.07.31 15:06:00 -
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I wonder, how to make the *****ing stop.
I am looking forward to Incarna; I log in and just chat with friends, and it would be nice to be able to walk around in a station, seeing other people, than just spinning my ship.
Dont want to walk around in a station? Dont. I dont care for wormholes, so I dont go in them. Simple, really.
Does EVE need this? No. Is it gonna "OMGZORZKILLINGEVE!" No.
The sky is not falling.
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Sader Rykane
Amarr
Midnight Sentinels
Midnight Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.07.31 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: Novantco
Originally by: Kidain
Honestly I have never known a community moan so much about free content
You pay a monthly fee therefore it's not free dumbass.
Relative to other MMO subscription models, it is.
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Novantco
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2010.07.31 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: Sader Rykane
Relative to other MMO subscription models, it is.
For Eve you pay more for the sub each month compared to other MMOs. My point still stands.
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Optical Illusion
Minmatar
Rionnag Alba
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.07.31 15:11:00 -
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I donÆt think anyone in the eve community has an issue with CCP using revenue from eve to develop another product. Even the dumbest of trolls would be stupid to think that a company in such an aggressive market could survive solely with one product.
The reason people are unhappy is simple. And i will give an example to show you.
You go out and buy a new Ford. ItÆs nice, Alloys, Aircon, Sat Nav ECT. 2 years later Ford announce they are working on a new model, and its plainly obvious to the customer that the good money they pay for the precious vehicles, is part of the finance used to pay for research and development of that new car. The customers donÆt complain though, because, Ford continue to service your old vehicle, they continue to produce spare parts for you to replace your old ones, and even offer you nice promotional deals throughout your life as a Ford customer.
ItÆs literally that simple. I have no qualms with a company using profits made from my purchase to develop/research/promote other services, as long as they live up to their end of the deal with the purchase i made. CCP, unfortunately decided there customers of eve online would need to wait for urgently needed improvements, fixes and debugs that is actually destroying the fundamentals of the game. And funnily enough, unlike other companies, who could survive without one of their products, CCP couldnÆt. All of their plans blogged by devs relies on eve continuing to succeed, Incarna, is useless without Eve's player base, and so is Dust[insert randomly generated number here].
So, top and bottom of it, CCP, Remember where your priorities lie. We, the player base, Old and new, have and will continue to shape your game. You cannot survive without us. If crisis meetings arenÆt occurring right now then itÆs simply too late for you. I also think it would be in your best interests to directly approach your customers, whether it be a new devblog, Eve-chat speech, or video feed to reassure us you have woken up and smelt the coffee, otherwise your days are numbered, and that would be a shame.
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Velna Sevesto
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Posted - 2010.07.31 15:20:00 -
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In it's history CCP has not charged for any of the expansions. Remember Trinity? When they were revamping all the graphics and changing all the ships? That was a pretty big endeavor as well but did they charge for that? Nope.
This is why I love CCP and continue to be attracted to their games. I think that the idea of a paid expansion is very unlikely.
Eve is an expanding universe and story striving to be one of the most unique MMO's out there. We have a player run economy, player run ships, player run planets. Now we may be moving to player run stations.
It's one of those things where if you don't like it you don't have to do it. People are acting like this is the bane of EVE and it be the doom of everything. Simply put if you don't like it you can stay in your ship if you are camped, you don't have to do something to kill time. You don't have to get out and walk around while you are waiting for an fleet commander to step up while waiting to go on a roam through low sec. You see where I'm getting at?
You give a kid a candy cane and he says he wants a mint instead...
Oh and CCP isn't greedy like Blizzard so I don't think we'll be seeing a charge for an expansion.
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NereSky
Gallente
Domination.
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Posted - 2010.07.31 15:20:00 -
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I think CCP have their collective heads down the toilet pan checking the logs that dont show anything
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CCP Adida
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.31 15:33:00 -
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Going on the title here "Should Incarna be Free?"
Traditionally all EVE expansions are free. It is listed as one of the features of EVE Online. I don't see why this would change.
Adida
Community Rep
CCP Hf, EVE Online
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.07.31 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Adida
Going on the title here "Should Incarna be Free?"
Traditionally all EVE expansions are free. It is listed as one of the features of EVE Online. I don't see why this would change.
I think the point here is the suggestion that since Incarna is eating up an awful lot of eve development time and is an add-on designed to bring new players into the game primarily (new features rather than polishing/completing old ones) it could be argued that it should be paid for by these "new players" (who are interested in it) rather than existing players who are feeling that the core game is going neglected by under-allocation of development time and effort until the Incarna release.
Speaking personally if the proposal now was "would you pay 30 quid for incarna as a released(optional) product if it meant that we got 100 devs back on core eve development right now together with a commitment to finish the features of existing expansions properly to standards of excellence?" Then I would answer a definitive "yes".
Basically this topic is arguing that Incarna is not core eve online gameplay and its a bad choice by ccp to move developers that should be concentrating on the core game over to an optional add-on that your current player base are not wildly excited about.
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cBOLTSON
Reaction Theory
Talos Coalition
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Posted - 2010.07.31 15:59:00 -
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Long story short, I like eve for the space ship pew. From the small skirmishes to the large battles.
There is no way in hell I would pay for incarna. If its not internet spaceships then Im off to a diffrent game for that experience. Simple.
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NereSky
Gallente
Domination.
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Posted - 2010.07.31 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: CCP Adida
Going on the title here "Should Incarna be Free?"
Traditionally all EVE expansions are free. It is listed as one of the features of EVE Online. I don't see why this would change.
I think the point here is the suggestion that since Incarna is eating up an awful lot of eve development time and is an add-on designed to bring new players into the game primarily (new features rather than polishing/completing old ones) it could be argued that it should be paid for by these "new players" (who are interested in it) rather than existing players who are feeling that the core game is going neglected by under-allocation of development time and effort until the Incarna release.
Speaking personally if the proposal now was "would you pay 30 quid for incarna as a released(optional) product if it meant that we got 100 devs back on core eve development right now together with a commitment to finish the features of existing expansions properly to standards of excellence?" Then I would answer a definitive "yes".
Basically this topic is arguing that Incarna is not core eve online gameplay and its a bad choice by ccp to move developers that should be concentrating on the core game over to an optional add-on that your current player base are not wildly excited about.
Well said my thoughts exactly with a option for eye testis for CCP emplyee's, just so they can see those logs 
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Anvalor
Gallente
Germania Inc.
D0GMA
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Posted - 2010.07.31 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
... rather than existing players who are feeling that the core game is going neglected by under-allocation of development time and effort until the Incarna release.
Speaking personally if the proposal now was "would you pay 30 quid for incarna as a released(optional) product if it meant that we got 100 devs back on core eve development right now together with a commitment to finish the features of existing expansions properly to standards of excellence?" Then I would answer a definitive "yes"...
No, i do not want to pay for an expansion in eve. My eve is running fine and i am happy with it. I am doing small gang pvp and some other stuff. If you guys who like to watch slideshows (fleetbattles) want to upgrade your slideshows then maybe ccp should make it optional. Do some donations...
Do not speak for every player in eve. Not everyone is unhappy with eve these days. You might not like it but that is my opinion.
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Xroxreariad Ramatarapap
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Posted - 2010.07.31 16:33:00 -
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Edited by: Xroxreariad Ramatarapap on 31/07/2010 16:33:41
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Speaking personally
Yeah and you should continue to speak... personally. Really, what's up with you guys constantly trying to picture yourselves as, I dunno, some sort of official community spokesmen? When did I vote you to represent my views and opinions about this game?
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Zeredek
Gallente
Vanguard Venture
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Posted - 2010.07.31 16:35:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Novantco
Originally by: Sader Rykane
Relative to other MMO subscription models, it is.
For Eve you pay more for the sub each month compared to other MMOs. My point still stands.
You must be doing something wrong, it's the same for me as any other MMO sub.
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Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.07.31 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: Serpent Qor
To everyone being a little girl about the new Incarna expansion: Send me your stuff.
Incarna is the best thing that will happen to EVE.
Does that mean you'd be willing to pay for it? How much?
What if we had to pay for it, but we could buy Incarna with PLEX?
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.31 17:00:00 -
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Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 31/07/2010 17:00:45
Originally by: Jade Constantine
I think the point here is the suggestion that since Incarna is eating up an awful lot of eve development time and is an add-on designed to bring new players into the game primarily (new features rather than polishing/completing old ones) it could be argued that it should be paid for by these "new players" (who are interested in it) rather than existing players who are feeling that the core game is going neglected by under-allocation of development time and effort until the Incarna release.
No, that could not be argued. You're under the impression that the monthtly payment you make to CCP is some kind of "investment" on your behalf when it really isn't. You pay CCP a subscription fee to play their game for that month. It is NOT an investment for you to decide what CCP does with that money. I hate Italian cars, but I sure as hell can't get upset if a dev decides to buy one with "my subscription money". You know why? Because once I give it to them it is THEIR money to do what they want. So this attitude, these tantrums, being thrown out by a very loud minority need to stop. This whole attitude of "CCP shouldnt be spending my money on this" crap needs to stop.
Eve is probably one of the most well-thought-out games out there in the market right now. But it has managed to attract so many snobs and whiners who think the game should run their way that if CCP doesn't listen to them they scream as loud as they can and make as much noise as is humanly possible in order to attract attention like a baby to his mommy.
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Novantco
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2010.07.31 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Zeredek
You must be doing something wrong, it's the same for me as any other MMO sub.
WoW ú8.99 per month
AoC ú8.99 per month
Aion ú8.99 per month
EvE ú12.40 per month roughly
So it is you who is doing something wrong not me.
Just an FYI I have no problem with the way EveÆs subscription system works, if I did I wouldn't pay for it. You pay a bit more each month and you don't have to worry about paying for any expacs, BUT IT IS NOT ****ING FREE.
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Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.07.31 17:10:00 -
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Edited by: Malcanis on 31/07/2010 17:09:44
Originally by: CCP Adida
Going on the title here "Should Incarna be Free?"
Traditionally all EVE expansions are free. It is listed as one of the features of EVE Online. I don't see why this would change.
Other than sheer inertia, would you care to make a positive argument for Incarna being free?
Incidentally, lest anyone misread my post, assuming that Incarna is half as good as it ought to be with all those resources and time you're putting in to it, I would cheerfully pay a PLEX for it. I assume that CCP are confident enough in the quality of the biggest step change in EVE game play to make it worth at least that much...?
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
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Posted - 2010.07.31 17:32:00 -
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A positive argument is that there are plenty of loyal subscribers like myself that want Incarna and can't afford to pay additional money for it.
Part of the loyalty is because CCP dont charge you every 6/12 months more money for an expansion - it is included in the subscription price.
They have chosen the way their company works, so a hypothetical question based around a way they don't work is irrelevant tbh. And I'm not saying I'm happy with the game, I'm just saying its futile and naive to argue against Incarna being free if you think that would actually mean the core of Eve would then immediately get fixed.
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Aera Aiana
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.07.31 17:33:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Kidain
Edited by: Kidain on 31/07/2010 12:19:22
Originally by: Antihrist Pripravnik
Why charge for an expansion that half of the community doesn't even like or want? (not that I'm in that bandwagon)
Good because most of the other ungrateful gits on this forum are.
Honestly I have never known a community moan so much about free content.
Most only come here to whine. Whine about carebears, whine about pirates, whine about lag or whine about stuff that they don't have the slightest idea about, say Incarna. Or wait, actually "whine about stuff they don't have the slightest idea about" fits everything else, too.
Fact is: People cannot know whether or not they'll like Incarna. They just want their personal little itch be scratched and everything else that's going on must be wrong and unnecessary.
I whish somebody would turn up the voltage on their light bulbs because it's desperately required. I want CCP to fix stuff too, finish the stuff they start and not always go for the shoddiest implementation possible, just because it saves them 10 minutes. But that doesn't mean I want game-designers, artists or web-developers working on ... "Lag".
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Aessoroz
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Posted - 2010.07.31 17:41:00 -
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How about they instead give us the option to completely disable the Incarna portion of the engine so it doesn't waste our computer resources when we dock up our ship and don't care for walking in the station...
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Alexandra Delarge
The Korova
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Posted - 2010.07.31 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: Lurtz
We saw CCP once before try to charge extra for an optional addition to game. It was called eve voice, they tried getting an extra $2 a month from anyone that wanted to use it. I think they got $28 before they decided to give it to everyone free.
Just after we got 'free' voice CCP increased the price of monthly subs to make Eve the most expensive MMO.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.07.31 18:20:00 -
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I would buy it because I like what CCP does and want to reward that behavior.
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Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
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Posted - 2010.07.31 18:44:00 -
[47]
I'm looking forward for Incarna to be released fairly soonÖ, can't wait to see how my female chars will look after some plastic surgery.
And for people complaining about cost, you could probbaly run 6-7 accounts for the equivalent cost of a gym membership.
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Legion
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Posted - 2010.07.31 18:49:00 -
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Why is this a discussion?
Incarna is free.
If you want to play with incarna you need an internet spaceships account.
which is 15 bucks a month, its up to you if you want to play with incarna or not. It really means more people to grief.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.07.31 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: Xroxreariad Ramatarapap
Edited by: Xroxreariad Ramatarapap on 31/07/2010 16:33:41
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Speaking personally
Yeah and you should continue to speak... personally. Really, what's up with you guys constantly trying to picture yourselves as, I dunno, some sort of official community spokesmen? When did I vote you to represent my views and opinions about this game?
I'm not sure what part of "speaking personally" you seem to have misunderstood.
Join the Revolution!
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Ascendic
Brotherhood of Suicidal Priests
R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.07.31 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Since CCP have confirmed that it is completely optional - ie: unnecessary - to spaceships EVE, should Incarna be treated as effectively a new game (or EVE 2 if you like) and be an optional, paid expansion?
As we have seen confirmed by CCP themselves, the costs of Incarna are very considerable. And it is also widely assumed that it will attract a very large number of new players. Would a E/$ 10-20 pricetag be reasonable? This woul provide a lot of revenue to support the future iterations of Incarna that will surely be required to make it a success.
Alternatively, those who have no interest in the ambulation game can decline to buy it, and rest assured that it is bringing in additional resources to pay for its own maintenance rather than at the expense of "spaceships EVE".
Lol you don't get it. Whether or not you PAY for the expansion you are still paying monthly for them to dump half their resources into developing it you idiot.
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Morpheus Mishima
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.07.31 19:24:00 -
[51]
Please stop whining about Incarna. It has not been released yet and there is very little information available on how it will impact the players (if at all).
Just sit back, play the game as you normally would. I have confidence in that CCP will put out something thats going to be a really nice and developing feature to this already mind-blowingly great game.
If you have any doubts, why are you even playing the game still? CCP has a great track record when it comes to giving the community what they want. Much more than any other MMO-developer out there to date.
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Psychotic Maniac
Caldari
Head Shrinkers
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Posted - 2010.07.31 19:32:00 -
[52]
Edited by: Psychotic Maniac on 31/07/2010 19:33:29
Pay for incarna? LOL, I want the money back for every ship I lost due to server errors/lag, etc...
Yes, I said money. If I use money to buy plex for isk. I lost money.
Your logs suck. That do ever show anything. All there are a stupid customer support that doesn't like to do their jobs. Only copy/paste the same crap time after time.
Grow a pair and admit your errors and compensate your customers like you're suppose to.
Believe me it will go a long way in keeping paid accts. around, than shuting the door on them every time they tell you somethings not right and would like compensation for the problem.
FFS, train your employees to have the customer is always right attitude.
#1 rule in keeping people happy and more importantly, keeping the around.
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Pesky LaRue
Minmatar
The Magnificent Bastards
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Posted - 2010.07.31 19:37:00 -
[53]
Edited by: Pesky LaRue on 31/07/2010 19:39:05
Edited by: Pesky LaRue on 31/07/2010 19:38:16
Originally by: Novantco
Quote:
WoW ú8.99 per month
WoW $14.99 per month
Quote:
AoC ú8.99 per month
AoC $14.99 per month
Quote:
Aion ú8.99 per month
Aion $14.99 per month
Quote:
EvE ú12.40 per month roughly
EvE $14.99 per month
Originally by: Novantco
So it is you who is doing something wrong not me.
No, it's just a representation of where you live.
EvE's costing model is the same as any other successful, thriving game. I realize your point is valid from your perspective, but it's not universally true. EvE is the same price - for many of us - as any other game.
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SupaKudoRio
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Posted - 2010.07.31 19:45:00 -
[54]
No! Do NOT give CCP management any more 'bright ideas'! I don't want to start getting charged for expansions! 
Can a GM delete the topic please? Quick, before someone in marketing spots it!
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Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.07.31 19:47:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Xroxreariad Ramatarapap
Edited by: Xroxreariad Ramatarapap on 31/07/2010 16:33:41
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Speaking personally
Yeah and you should continue to speak... personally. Really, what's up with you guys constantly trying to picture yourselves as, I dunno, some sort of official community spokesmen? When did I vote you to represent my views and opinions about this game?
o/ CPR
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Ranger 1
Amarr
Dynaverse Corporation
Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.07.31 19:47:00 -
[56]
Quote:
FFS, train your employees to have the customer is always right attitude.
Except, of course, unless you work in the fast food industry this is rarely true.
Giving the most notoriously skillful scamming community known to the gaming industry free reign to ask for reimbursements is possibly the worst idea I have ever heard.
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Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.07.31 19:53:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Ascendic
Originally by: Malcanis
Since CCP have confirmed that it is completely optional - ie: unnecessary - to spaceships EVE, should Incarna be treated as effectively a new game (or EVE 2 if you like) and be an optional, paid expansion?
As we have seen confirmed by CCP themselves, the costs of Incarna are very considerable. And it is also widely assumed that it will attract a very large number of new players. Would a E/$ 10-20 pricetag be reasonable? This woul provide a lot of revenue to support the future iterations of Incarna that will surely be required to make it a success.
Alternatively, those who have no interest in the ambulation game can decline to buy it, and rest assured that it is bringing in additional resources to pay for its own maintenance rather than at the expense of "spaceships EVE".
Lol you don't get it. Whether or not you PAY for the expansion you are still paying monthly for them to dump half their resources into developing it you idiot.
Many thanks for your insightful contribution. You have expanded my knowledge.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.07.31 19:58:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Ranger 1
Giving the most notoriously skillful scamming community known to the gaming industry free reign to ask for reimbursements is possibly the worst idea I have ever heard.
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Stitcher
Caldari
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2010.07.31 20:15:00 -
[59]
Edited by: Stitcher on 31/07/2010 20:15:57
Incarna will be part of EVE. All of EVE is included in the subscription cost.
Just because it'll be optional changes nothing. Wormholes, exploration, missions, PvP, mining, trading, nullsec, highsec, piracy, PI.... pretty much everything in the game is "optional" anyway. I'm sure a lot of effort went into designing and creating Gallente ships for instance, but they're still optional - I sure as hell don't fly them.
I don't understand this whole "Incarna is taking money and developers out of EVE". it's PART of EVE - it will, once complete, be a feature of the game. Therefore, all of the resources being used to develop Incarna are ipso facto being used to develop EVE Online.
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Ori Blake
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Posted - 2010.07.31 21:03:00 -
[60]
Only if the next 0.0 expansion is paid too. I don't do 0.0, I don't think it's core gameplay of EvE. Let all the 0.0 alliance people pay for their own expansions.
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Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.07.31 21:04:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Stitcher
Edited by: Stitcher on 31/07/2010 20:15:57
Incarna will be part of EVE. All of EVE is included in the subscription cost.
Just because it'll be optional changes nothing. Wormholes, exploration, missions, PvP, mining, trading, nullsec, highsec, piracy, PI.... pretty much everything in the game is "optional" anyway. I'm sure a lot of effort went into designing and creating Gallente ships for instance, but they're still optional - I sure as hell don't fly them.
I don't understand this whole "Incarna is taking money and developers out of EVE". it's PART of EVE - it will, once complete, be a feature of the game. Therefore, all of the resources being used to develop Incarna are ipso facto being used to develop EVE Online.
yet we'll have to pay for Dust?
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Stitcher
Caldari
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2010.07.31 21:58:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Stitcher
Edited by: Stitcher on 31/07/2010 20:15:57
Incarna will be part of EVE. All of EVE is included in the subscription cost.
Just because it'll be optional changes nothing. Wormholes, exploration, missions, PvP, mining, trading, nullsec, highsec, piracy, PI.... pretty much everything in the game is "optional" anyway. I'm sure a lot of effort went into designing and creating Gallente ships for instance, but they're still optional - I sure as hell don't fly them.
I don't understand this whole "Incarna is taking money and developers out of EVE". it's PART of EVE - it will, once complete, be a feature of the game. Therefore, all of the resources being used to develop Incarna are ipso facto being used to develop EVE Online.
yet we'll have to pay for Dust?
well for starters, DUST is going to be on console, not on PC.
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Syn Callibri
Minmatar
Blacklight Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.07.31 22:00:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Malcanis
Since CCP have confirmed that it is completely optional - ie: unnecessary - to spaceships EVE, should Incarna be treated as effectively a new game (or EVE 2 if you like) and be an optional, paid expansion?
As we have seen confirmed by CCP themselves, the costs of Incarna are very considerable. And it is also widely assumed that it will attract a very large number of new players. Would a E/$ 10-20 pricetag be reasonable? This would provide a lot of revenue to support the future iterations of Incarna that will surely be required to make it a success.
Alternatively, those who have no interest in the ambulation game can decline to buy it, and rest assured that it is bringing in additional resources to pay for its own maintenance rather than at the expense of "spaceships EVE".
...seriously?
Syn Callibri
Ilharess of the Scorpion Tribe
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Valoric Liao
Ethos Mining and Logistics
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Posted - 2010.07.31 22:28:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Ran Khanon
I for one am really looking forward to Incarna
Ran, I hearby formally revoke your access to C&P. We'll miss you. Maybe.
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Antihrist Pripravnik
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.08.01 11:03:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Ran Khanon
Edited by: Ran Khanon on 31/07/2010 13:46:16
Originally by: Antihrist Pripravnik
Why charge for an expansion that half of the community doesn't even like or want? (not that I'm in that bandwagon)
& similar responses:
Please speak for yourself.
I for one am really looking forward to Incarna as it has the potential to add a whole new layer of immersion to EVE, not to mention more alternative gameplay options, more realism and more variety in general.
edit: oops, quoted wrong guy. Fixed!
Quoted the wrong guy again, or failed reading?
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Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.08.01 11:05:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Stitcher
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Stitcher
Edited by: Stitcher on 31/07/2010 20:15:57
Incarna will be part of EVE. All of EVE is included in the subscription cost.
Just because it'll be optional changes nothing. Wormholes, exploration, missions, PvP, mining, trading, nullsec, highsec, piracy, PI.... pretty much everything in the game is "optional" anyway. I'm sure a lot of effort went into designing and creating Gallente ships for instance, but they're still optional - I sure as hell don't fly them.
I don't understand this whole "Incarna is taking money and developers out of EVE". it's PART of EVE - it will, once complete, be a feature of the game. Therefore, all of the resources being used to develop Incarna are ipso facto being used to develop EVE Online.
yet we'll have to pay for Dust?
well for starters, DUST is going to be on console, not on PC.
Wont Dust be part of EVE? it's set in the EVE universe and, unlike Incarna, you can actually affect what happens in rest of the EVE universe from Dust.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
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Posted - 2010.08.01 12:27:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Malcanis
Wont Dust be part of EVE? it's set in the EVE universe and, unlike Incarna, you can actually affect what happens in rest of the EVE universe from Dust.
Incarna will be part of the EVE client, Dust however isn't. Stop being silly.
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Shawna Gray
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.01 12:51:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Malcanis
Since CCP have confirmed that it is completely optional - ie: unnecessary - to spaceships EVE.
Lots of things are completely optional for "myEVE". Why care?
The incarna whining is rather boring.
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Pesky LaRue
Minmatar
The Magnificent Bastards
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Posted - 2010.08.01 14:35:00 -
[69]
Edited by: Pesky LaRue on 01/08/2010 14:36:31
Edited by: Pesky LaRue on 01/08/2010 14:35:47
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Stitcher
well for starters, DUST is going to be on console, not on PC.
Wont Dust be part of EVE? it's set in the EVE universe and, unlike Incarna, you can actually affect what happens in rest of the EVE universe from Dust.
Either the real Malcanis has sold his account, or you're being deliberatly obtuse.
Dust is NOT part of what you're calling "EvE", and you know it. It's an FPS played on a console, not our spaceship game. There are ties to EvE, sure, but that doesn't mean it's PART of EvE (and you know it).
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.08.01 14:39:00 -
[70]
Yes, at this point I wouldn't mind paying for Incarna.
àor, more accurately, I wouldn't mind paying for the EVE developers getting back to the core EVE stuff and then get Incarna on top of the urgent fixes the game currently needs.
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
Serpent Qor
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Posted - 2010.08.01 15:28:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Serpent Qor
To everyone being a little girl about the new Incarna expansion: Send me your stuff.
Incarna is the best thing that will happen to EVE.
Does that mean you'd be willing to pay for it? How much?
What if we had to pay for it, but we could buy Incarna with PLEX?
All expansions are free. CCP has been touting this since their inception. End of argument.
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Serpent Qor
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Posted - 2010.08.01 15:37:00 -
[72]
Edited by: Serpent Qor on 01/08/2010 15:38:04
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Stitcher
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Stitcher
Edited by: Stitcher on 31/07/2010 20:15:57
Incarna will be part of EVE. All of EVE is included in the subscription cost.
Just because it'll be optional changes nothing. Wormholes, exploration, missions, PvP, mining, trading, nullsec, highsec, piracy, PI.... pretty much everything in the game is "optional" anyway. I'm sure a lot of effort went into designing and creating Gallente ships for instance, but they're still optional - I sure as hell don't fly them.
I don't understand this whole "Incarna is taking money and developers out of EVE". it's PART of EVE - it will, once complete, be a feature of the game. Therefore, all of the resources being used to develop Incarna are ipso facto being used to develop EVE Online.
yet we'll have to pay for Dust?
well for starters, DUST is going to be on console, not on PC.
Wont Dust be part of EVE? it's set in the EVE universe and, unlike Incarna, you can actually affect what happens in rest of the EVE universe from Dust.
They are a company. They need money. Once they make some cash from the population increase and Dust (good way to increase funds) they can start hiring more people to make EVE what they want it to be. Look - CCP is trying to make money and they need more developers. They will remain stagnant unless they do something and do it big.
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Serpent Qor
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Posted - 2010.08.01 15:48:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Gladys Pank
I will happily send you all my incarna stuff once its released. Oh wait, it's got no meaningful content.
How can you say that? You don't even know what the hell they are doing.
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ovenproofjet
Caldari
Therapy.
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.08.01 15:56:00 -
[74]
Without actually knowing what features we'll be getting there is no point in debating this. If it's another half finished expansion like Dominion and Tyrannis then hell no will I be paying for it. However if it does end up have reasoned and well thought out uses beyond "oooh pretty" then I wouldn't mind paying a small fee for it or maybe even a slight increase in subscription say $15.99 instead of todays $15.
However as has been said it would be much better if CCP would fix what they've got already, but we can (and have) ranted about that matter.
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rootimus maximus
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2010.08.01 16:24:00 -
[75]
Originally by: CCP Adida
Going on the title here "Should Incarna be Free?"
Traditionally all EVE expansions are free. It is listed as one of the features of EVE Online. I don't see why this would change.
Ghost training also used to be on that list of features. Then you arbitrarily called it an exploit and removed it.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.08.01 16:35:00 -
[76]
Originally by: rootimus maximus
Ghost training also used to be on that list of features.
No.
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.08.01 16:41:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Serpent Qor
Originally by: Gladys Pank
I will happily send you all my incarna stuff once its released. Oh wait, it's got no meaningful content.
How can you say that? You don't even know what the hell they are doing.
That proves it's going to be awesome, right?
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
rootimus maximus
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2010.08.01 16:45:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: rootimus maximus
Ghost training also used to be on that list of features.
No.
No? I don't get it.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.08.01 16:53:00 -
[79]
Originally by: rootimus maximus
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: rootimus maximus
Ghost training also used to be on that list of features.
No.
No? I don't get it.
People have been claiming that it was "listed as a feature" ever since it was removed, but have never been able to produce that list. They've even claimed that it was "advertised as a selling point", and yet have never been able to produce said ads.
I'd be very interested to see any proof of these claims, but none exists. It's just something people say.
And no, being explained in a descriptive part of a game guide written by a third party is not proof that CCP saw it as intended gameplay, and it certainly does not count as "advertising it as a feature".
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
rootimus maximus
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2010.08.01 16:58:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Tippia
People have been claiming that it was "listed as a feature" ever since it was removed, but have never been able to produce that list.
At the time, it was linked in a number of posts. Days after this "exploit" was fixed, CCP had still failed to update the features page.
Personally, I don't care either way about ghost training being removed. I never had occasion to use it. My point, though, is that being listed on the features page has proved to mean nothing in the past.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.08.01 17:05:00 -
[81]
Edited by: Tippia on 01/08/2010 17:06:12
Originally by: rootimus maximus
At the time, it was linked in a number of posts. Days after this "exploit" was fixed, CCP had still failed to update the features page.
No, people only linked to the aforementioned game guide ù a guide (again, written by a third party, not CCP) that described how the game currently worked. It wasn't a features list. It wasn't an advertisement. It was in no way a statement of CCP's intentions with the functionality.
By that logic, there are no exploits, cheats or hacks. Everything is "how the game currently works" and should therefore be left alone.
And yes, when the game no longer worked that way, the game guide was updated to mirror how the game worked now. That only seems sensible ù no point in describing something that no longer works they way the description says.
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
ceaon
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Posted - 2010.08.01 17:17:00 -
[82]
i support the idea of charging for Incarna is a expansion that dont influence EvE mechanics on any way and Incarna game play dont influence EvE game play, Incarna is absolutely parallel whit EvE so should be a payed expansion or a separate game like dust is
new eden could have 3 games
incarna a social game
dust a fps on ground game
eve spaceship game
when CCP asked for a vote got this
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rootimus maximus
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2010.08.01 17:21:00 -
[83]
Maybe I'm wrong, then. I was new to Eve at the time, so maybe I made a mistake.
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Catherine Griffin
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.08.01 17:49:00 -
[84]
Edited by: Catherine Griffin on 01/08/2010 17:51:27
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Basically this topic is arguing that Incarna is not core eve online gameplay and its a bad choice by ccp to move developers that should be concentrating on the core game over to an optional add-on that your current player base are not wildly excited about.
Well what's the "core game"? CCP has stated that EVE is a Sci-Fi sim. Planets and persons belong to that as much as spaceships.
That the game didn't have it and the main activity of players subsequently didn't include these things - it doesn't mean it's not part of the core concept of the game, or what the designers envisioned.
Incarna has been planned for years and honestly I wouldn't bet on it that the major part of the players won't like it.
Originally by: ceaon
new eden could have 3 games
incarna a social game
dust a fps on ground game
eve spaceship game
You forgot PI, a Sim City RTS game.
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Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.08.01 18:07:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Tippia
Edited by: Tippia on 01/08/2010 17:10:33
Originally by: rootimus maximus
At the time, it was linked in a number of posts. Days after this "exploit" was fixed, CCP had still failed to update the features page.
No, people only linked to the aforementioned game guide ù a guide (again, written by a third party, not CCP) that described how the game currently worked. It wasn't a features list. It wasn't an advertisement. It was in no way a statement of CCP's intentions with the functionality.
By that logic, there are no exploits, cheats or hacks. Everything is "how the game currently works" and should therefore be left alone.
And yes, when the game no longer worked that way, the game guide was updated to mirror how the game worked now. That only seems sensible ù no point in describing something that no longer works they way the description says.
àand even if CCP edited the mythical features list, guess what? Web pages are cached and archived all over the place, yet no-one has been able to dig up that particular treasure.
Oh you mean like for instance a post by CCP wrangler advising a player on how it worked?
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Ori Blake
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Posted - 2010.08.01 18:16:00 -
[86]
Guess Malcanis missed my point.
If we are going to play "Why should I pay for any expansion I don't care about?" It's going to suck because a lot of people don't care about 0.0 and will apply the same logic to that. This will just change the game to a paid expansion model and we all lose.
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Serpent Qor
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Posted - 2010.08.01 20:04:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Serpent Qor
Originally by: Gladys Pank
I will happily send you all my incarna stuff once its released. Oh wait, it's got no meaningful content.
How can you say that? You don't even know what the hell they are doing.
That proves it's going to be awesome, right?
From what I've seen from Fanfest videos, it will be just what EVE needs.
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Bodrul
Caldari
Polaris Rising
The Spire Collective
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Posted - 2010.08.01 20:25:00 -
[88]
with Dust and so on Eves version of FPS,
how do they plan to attract new players on the consoles?
you have activison, EA and so on who have been doing FPS for years
doubt eve will even make a dent in the FPS market on consoles,
enfact i will take wagers on its release :P
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Usagi Tsukino
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2010.08.01 20:31:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Pesky LaRue
Dust is NOT part of what you're calling "EvE", and you know it. It's an FPS played on a console, not our spaceship game. There are ties to EvE, sure, but that doesn't mean it's PART of EvE (and you know it).
As well, you don't have to buy EVE to play DUST. So unless you choose to, you're not being double-dipped.
Personally I think they should charge $1 to anyone who purchases a capital, and $5 to anyone who purchases a super-capital.
I do not use them, and they hamper my style of game play. I have no intention of ever using them, therefor the developer time used to make them, balance them, then rebalance them was all wasted and I (and I assume everyone else who does not fly capitals - and I know this is a correct assumption because I live in 0.0 and therefor my opinion > everyone elses) demand that anyone who does not or is not willing to play EVE the way I think it should be played, be punished with a monetary fine.
It sickens me to think they used MY MONEY on something that I don't use. 
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Serpent Qor
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Posted - 2010.08.01 23:50:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Usagi Tsukino
Originally by: Pesky LaRue
Dust is NOT part of what you're calling "EvE", and you know it. It's an FPS played on a console, not our spaceship game. There are ties to EvE, sure, but that doesn't mean it's PART of EvE (and you know it).
As well, you don't have to buy EVE to play DUST. So unless you choose to, you're not being double-dipped.
Personally I think they should charge $1 to anyone who purchases a capital, and $5 to anyone who purchases a super-capital.
I do not use them, and they hamper my style of game play. I have no intention of ever using them, therefor the developer time used to make them, balance them, then rebalance them was all wasted and I (and I assume everyone else who does not fly capitals - and I know this is a correct assumption because I live in 0.0 and therefor my opinion > everyone elses) demand that anyone who does not or is not willing to play EVE the way I think it should be played, be punished with a monetary fine.
It sickens me to think they used MY MONEY on something that I don't use.
This all day long.
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2010.08.02 02:21:00 -
[91]
Paying for the development of World of Darkness isn't enough, we should pay twice for pedo-online?
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Citizen Veld
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Posted - 2010.08.02 03:33:00 -
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Edited by: Citizen Veld on 02/08/2010 03:34:09
Originally by: Psychotic Maniac
FFS, train your employees to have the customer is always right attitude.
Except that saying is generally used by customers who are wrong or believe things should be changed to suit them. Customers are, infact, often wrong and unable to accept it or that what they want isn't possible or isn't allowed within the current rules/mechanics and they thing support is suppose to do whatever they say.
A PQ bugged out in WAR and didn't let people roll on loot so the leader of a guild involved petitioned and demanded he and several others be given the gold bags. When the GM said no they raged for about an hour because "they are the customer and always right so the GM should have given them loot bags", even though all they did was suck and die and nearly wipe everyone when they pulled aggro from the MT.
Also:
Originally by: Ranger 1
Giving the most notoriously skillful scamming community known to the gaming industry free reign to ask for reimbursements is possibly the worst idea I have ever heard.
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Jacobs Mori
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Posted - 2010.08.02 03:40:00 -
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Hahahaha.
Originally by: Malcanis
And it is also widely assumed that it will attract a very large number of new players.
This part especially is just pure gold. :D
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