Ugh. Just to be clear - any time a ship that has been top dog for a period of time suddenly isn't, it has been nerfed. It's either a direct nerf or - in this case- an indirect nerf via the boosting of everything else. Not enough time has gone by for people to proclaim the rifter dead. Yet we're going to boost the rifter. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but we can expect this argument to be repeated with every ship class as we go through rebalancing. I hope to see everyone soon in the 'Waaaa, Moa is OP, Rupture sucks now!' thread.

Ugh. Just to be clear - any time a ship that has been top dog for a period of time suddenly isn't, it has been nerfed. It's either a direct nerf or - in this case- an indirect nerf via the boosting of everything else. Not enough time has gone by for people to proclaim the rifter dead. Yet we're going to boost the rifter. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but we can expect this argument to be repeated with every ship class as we go through rebalancing. I hope to see everyone soon in the 'Waaaa, Moa is OP, Rupture sucks now!' thread.

um its not a nerf or a buff, all o the ships are being redesigned, I noticed a hold in the rebalancing. the rifters role had been taken over.

CCP replied that it's just a temp situation. this isn't old eve balancing where ships get changed once every 3 years, they are resetting the stage for all ship balance in the whole game by removing ship tiers.

Last change the rifter got no changes, so it's just being left behind. But in fact that have plans so sweet.

i didn't say they broke it. The goal to give each ship a role. The slasher has the SAME ROLE. I didn't say the rifter was weaker I said it just got 100% replaced.

also what do you means by at the time? This is a large ongoing project, we've had ship changes every 4-5 weeks. it's obviousthey will keep changing things untill each frigate is just as good as the others.

I'm sorry if your stuck in the old mind set of eve, where each race has ONE best frigate, ONE best BAttlecruiser, ONE best battleship.

But that's leaving the game, and I won't be sad to see it go. The rifter should not be bbuffed to be stronger than the slasher, it should get a new role. even if the role is weaker than the current rifter, that would be a PLUS. so even if the new bonus "nerfed" the rifter, as long as it gets it's own role it's a good thing.

But you just keep pew pewing.

I think we (or you guys :)) should probabaly see it differently. While there will always be some frigate that will do a specific job best, I think we need to get away from the "Best Frigate" award subject. It is pretty much the reason why the other frigates just end up in the shadow outside the spotlight.

I'm not stuck in that mindset. Eve itself is.

The rifter is a damn good ship as it is. It has four weapon slots compared to three for the other ships. It is the fastest combat frigate. It is also the smallest combat frigate. It can shield or armor tank, just (gasp), not as well as the specialized shield and armor races. It's weapons are capless with damage selectability. But most importantly with a choice of a utility high it can serve in the tackle role better then the other combat frigates. It is a jack of all trades and a master of none. That is quintessential Minmatar.

If you want to argue that a 4-4-2 slot ship with a tighter fitting grid is better... I was looking at 125mm AC and a named MSE on SISSI. I liked the Atron alot better tbh.

.... It is also the smallest combat frigate..

T2 Minmatar ships specifically are weak to kinetic, yes. But kinetic is not a good damage type in the big picture. Why do you think almost all projectile pilots fit EMP, or at the very least, Phased Plasma?

Rockets, which allow you to have passable on-paper DPS, do nothing even close to full damage against a small ship that's moving, and falloff/angular velocity issues aren't present, no, but that actually gives turret users the advantage of being able to fly straight at or away from missile ships to increase their damage, while the speed of the ship will allow it to reduce incoming DPS from missiles, because, as you noticed, angular velocity is not an issue.

As for the math fail, i'm talking about how a Kestrel with 2 BCU II's and 4 Rocket launchers will do 136 DPS with non-kinetic Caldari Navy Rockets, while a similarly fit Merlin with 2 Mag stab II's and 3 Blasters will do 211 DPS with Caldari Navy Antimatter (which has two damage types). How's that for a math fail?

LOL.
I REALLY don-¦t believe it. Rifter is for example still better than the Punisher but CCP needs to care about wining minnes that their T1 frig isn-¦t so overpowered as it was all the years.
I really don-¦t get it. Why not buff the Punisher to be on par with Rifter, Merlin and Incursus? Lol.
But if Minnies are wining CCP will do sth imediately. Yeah.
The new Incursus was really something Gallente needed, Merlin is probably a litle bit op, Punisher is crap as always because it is an amarr ship and CCP doesn-¦t care about amarr and Rifter is okay too.
It is especailly the only one frigate of the four ones (Rifter, Inc, Merlin, Pun) which has a bonus on weapons which do not need cap and has the ability as only one of them to choose damage type.
But no. Minnies are wining that their Rfter is not overpowered as it was all the years before. LOL.
And the best: CCP is reacting.
Yes of course CCP. Give the Rifter more cap than the Punisher and a shield boost bonus and Minnies aren-¦t wining and everything is as always: WINMATAR.
LOL

too bad the devs agree with me. But thanks for your opinion.

We have fun things in mind for that minmatar shield boost bonus and tech one frigs. More information will come once we get the design a bit more polished.

Active tank bonus's are fairly terrible.


Shield boost bonus only helps local shield boosting


Resist bonus improves local shield boosting almost as much as the active tank bonus, it also gives more EHP and improves remote reps as well.


I'd like to see a lot of those active tank boni removed personally, not more of my favorite ships getting it shoehorned on. Imagine how much better a Hyperion would be with a resist bonus instead of that damned armor rep one.