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Zelda Wei	Posted - 2010.08.03 10:06:00 - [1] Quit crying over lag, I have no sympathy! The attendance to the mass tests to find this elusive lag has been abysmal, so you only have your selves to blame, after all it can't be that bad if can't even be be bothered to help CCP reproduce the problem & find the cause on the test server. If you disagree, instead of crying a river of tears on the forum, HTFU, prove me wrong and join the mass test on Thursday.
Zhana Agonskaya	Posted - 2010.08.03 10:10:00 - [2] Have you even been on the test server lately? Overview - bugged Drone window - Vanished Window Resize - bugged fitting browser - bugged I am sure there are more! I cannot see how ccp expect ANYONE to attend the mass test when there are so many bad bugs on the test server
Janos Saal	Posted - 2010.08.03 10:10:00 - [3] Originally by: Zelda Wei Quit crying over lag, I have no sympathy! The attendance to the mass tests to find this elusive lag has been abysmal, so you only have your selves to blame, after all it can't be that bad if can't even be be bothered to help CCP reproduce the problem & find the cause on the test server. If you disagree, instead of crying a river of tears on the forum, HTFU, prove me wrong and join the mass test on Thursday. Haha ** you. We pay for a service, we don't pay to work for CCP. In no way is it the players' fault that lag hasn't been fixed, and if CCP were that commited to fixing it they would have hired some actual professionals to look into this, instead of begging their paying cutomers to do the work for them. tl;dr: ** you and die
Cebraio	Posted - 2010.08.03 10:16:00 - [4] I will try to make it this time. Though last time I tried, Sisi client completely froze my computer - and I don't really feel like messing with an unnecessary computer problem after work.
sue denim	Posted - 2010.08.03 10:18:00 - [5] Originally by: Zelda Wei Quit crying over lag, I have no sympathy! The attendance to the mass tests to find this elusive lag has been abysmal, so you only have your selves to blame, after all it can't be that bad if can't even be be bothered to help CCP reproduce the problem & find the cause on the test server. If you disagree, instead of crying a river of tears on the forum, HTFU, prove me wrong and join the mass test on Thursday. y so they can get some data and do some small fixes and seem like they're doing something all the while avoiding a real commitment to fixing lag? no thx, also its broken :P
RaTTuS BIG Majesta Empire	Posted - 2010.08.03 10:27:00 - [6] Edited by: RaTTuS on 03/08/2010 10:33:31 yes sisi client is borked ATM, [well actually a lot just got fixed] but ....it's no excuse not to turn up --
Richard Christy	Posted - 2010.08.03 11:44:00 - [7] Originally by: Janos Saal We pay for a service, we don't pay to work for CCP.
Cebraio	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:17:00 - [8] Originally by: Richard Christy Originally by: Janos Saal We pay for a service, we don't pay to work for CCP. You pay for the honour of playing EVE! Now obey to her demands!
Smokey Jill Ackbar Military Planning	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:22:00 - [9] My theory is the lag is database related. The lag got really bad after they 'upgraded' the database. How much longer until the old republic is released? -- "IzzyChan" My character is like a punk kid running a corp of destruction and awesome.
WeaponOmega	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:23:00 - [10] Originally by: Richard Christy Originally by: Janos Saal We pay for a service, we don't pay to work for CCP. You want me to be your QA department? For Free? I do QA for a living. I get paid to do my job and find and report issues. I look at this game and the company that produces it and laugh my ass off at some of the incompetence and poor planning.
gobbybobby Gallente refined people	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:26:00 - [11] Heh the test server is gonna be full of bugs that's what its for. they prob don't have the resources to test it on a large scale so not only let players try things out before there release, more people = more bug reports = better data to make fix's. Well I posted something, You will prob disagree. But its my opinion SO keep it to yer self. I can fly a spaceship me, I can oh yea I can flys the spaceship. What the signature can't be fun?, I
Aldee Federated Holdings	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:30:00 - [12] Originally by: Zelda Wei Quit crying over lag, I have no sympathy! The attendance to the mass tests to find this elusive lag has been abysmal, so you only have your selves to blame, after all it can't be that bad if can't even be be bothered to help CCP reproduce the problem & find the cause on the test server. If you disagree, instead of crying a river of tears on the forum, HTFU, prove me wrong and join the mass test on Thursday. Let me see I'm suppose to take time off my paying job to help fix a game I'm already paying for? Are you daft?
Devroush Caldari Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:37:00 - [13] I shall join the mass fleet test and have a good laugh at how bad things are .
Baraen Biratill	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:53:00 - [14] As an unemployed leech on society, I shall join the mass testing to provide some good in exchange for my welfare check.
Noran Ferah Red Sky Morning	Posted - 2010.08.03 12:54:00 - [15] Originally by: Smokey Jill My theory is the lag is database related. The lag got really bad after they 'upgraded' the database. How much longer until the old republic is released? One abysmal year, or Spring if you believe the marketing. Which I dont.
zombiedeadhead Minmatar Online Dating For Single Men	Posted - 2010.08.03 13:01:00 - [16] Originally by: Zhana Agonskaya Have you even been on the test server lately? Overview - bugged Drone window - Vanished Window Resize - bugged fitting browser - bugged I am sure there are more! I cannot see how ccp expect ANYONE to attend the mass test when there are so many bad bugs on the test server Err, isn't the reason for going on the test server to FIND and REPORT bugs?
Astald Ohtar Tous Pour Un Une Pour Tous	Posted - 2010.08.03 13:27:00 - [17] Originally by: Devroush I shall join the mass fleet test and have a good laugh at how bad things are . i shall join and be sure than im not missing any fun while living as a highsec carebear. 0.0 large fleet batlles heh SUX2BU
Blnukem 192 Amarr Malevolent Industries	Posted - 2010.08.03 14:19:00 - [18] Originally by: zombiedeadhead Err, isn't the reason for going on the test server to FIND and REPORT bugs? Last time I reported bugs from the test server CCP told me to **** off.
Robdon Baptism oF Fire	Posted - 2010.08.03 14:26:00 - [19] Edited by: Robdon on 03/08/2010 14:26:35 Just been onto the test server... The UI is still very screwed up and not working well, with bugs all over the place. Are they really expecting to get decent tests out of the test on Thursday with the client in this state? Simple stuff like the Overview still isnt working :( I'm not sure how they are gonna have any kind of fleet fight with it in this state. Rob.
Kangtar Gallente	Posted - 2010.08.03 14:29:00 - [20] I'd love to join in but my free time is all tied up for 18 months.
Karak Terrel As Far As The eYe can see Chained Reactions	Posted - 2010.08.03 14:32:00 - [21] If the client works for me this time (with wine on linux) i will join the test. -- please consider to visit our w-space system, cake will be served immediately.
Darek Castigatus Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel	Posted - 2010.08.03 15:53:00 - [22] Originally by: Aldee Originally by: Zelda Wei Quit crying over lag, I have no sympathy! The attendance to the mass tests to find this elusive lag has been abysmal, so you only have your selves to blame, after all it can't be that bad if can't even be be bothered to help CCP reproduce the problem & find the cause on the test server. If you disagree, instead of crying a river of tears on the forum, HTFU, prove me wrong and join the mass test on Thursday. Let me see I'm suppose to take time off my paying job to help fix a game I'm already paying for? Are you daft? No he isnt, but you sound like you are. Do any of the ' I pay for this already' crowd actually think for more than two seconds about anything other than themselves? Do any of you actually realise that maybe its the only way CCP can get enough meaningful information to make the fix you keep bleating about? http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php
Haaranovor tenn Amarr Blue Republic	Posted - 2010.08.03 16:00:00 - [23] Originally by: Janos Saal Originally by: Zelda Wei Quit crying over lag, I have no sympathy! The attendance to the mass tests to find this elusive lag has been abysmal, so you only have your selves to blame, after all it can't be that bad if can't even be be bothered to help CCP reproduce the problem & find the cause on the test server. If you disagree, instead of crying a river of tears on the forum, HTFU, prove me wrong and join the mass test on Thursday. Haha ** you. We pay for a service, we don't pay to work for CCP. In no way is it the players' fault that lag hasn't been fixed, and if CCP were that commited to fixing it they would have hired some actual professionals to look into this, instead of begging their paying cutomers to do the work for them. tl;dr: ** you and die So... EVE Forums - "CCP fix lag nao" CCP - "Okay, can you come give us a hand with this?" EVE Forums - "No, I want the magical faeries to fix it this instant!" CCP - "That's not how it works, see, we just need to get a more accurate look at the issue in a contro-" EVE Forums - "Faeries, now."
Emma Royd Caldari Maddled Gommerils	Posted - 2010.08.03 16:12:00 - [24] Perhaps if they ran the tests at different times they would get more people attending. 20:00 UTC is 21:00 UK time, I'm uk based and start work at 07:00 so I'm up for 05:00, so 21:00 start times are useless for me, the last one I tried to attend was a few months ago and was all ready and waiting and nothing happened, or at least nothing happened until at least 21:30 uk time, so I had about 30 mins left before pc's get switched off for the night. imho the test server is a horrible atmosphere, full of people enlarging their epeen and having no consequences apart from maybe a temporary ban, they need to clamp down on these and give a scaling ban system, you get banned 1st time for a couple of months, then if you're a repeat offender then increase the ban. Plus they don't handle mirrors properly, they're not frequent enough from tq to sisi so people end up with well out of date characters on sisi so don't bother using it. So lose the attitude and stop blaming people for not attending the sisi test on thursday, maybe if ccp got their act together and handled the test server better then more people would use it, have regular mirrors, surely it's not beyond the realms of possibility that they have something on the database that the user can tick in their character sheet so the data isn't overwritten on sisi so you could set different skills in training on sisi, or as others have suggested, now the skill point allocation system is in place, give people a boat load of skill points available so they could jump onto sisi and train some skills up. I'll admit that I use sisi more for testing personal stuff out, ship fittings etc rather than bug hunting, but I've sent the odd one in before so I'm not totally lazy. +_+ Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity
Aldee Federated Holdings	Posted - 2010.08.03 16:13:00 - [25] Originally by: Darek Castigatus Originally by: Aldee Let me see I'm suppose to take time off my paying job to help fix a game I'm already paying for? Are you daft? No he isnt, but you sound like you are. Do any of the ' I pay for this already' crowd actually think for more than two seconds about anything other than themselves? Do any of you actually realise that maybe its the only way CCP can get enough meaningful information to make the fix you keep bleating about? So you think I should take time off a paying job and lose money to help CCP fix the game. Sounds like your priorities are a bit different then mine. I'm sorry I think of my job 1st and game later on down the list. If CCP wants me to hire me so I can help them test their software and leave my current job then thats another story. Seems like weekends would be a better time to test like they have done before. Well better for selfish old me and maybe others.
Moonlight Express Amarr Moonlight Express Inc.	Posted - 2010.08.03 16:19:00 - [26] Testing on test server for lag instead of live server is like testing for overcrowding in Chinese neighborhood instead of China. If CCP wants to fix the lag, they need to test or observe on live server when the large fleet fights are happening. They will never be able to duplicate the tests on test server with only couple thousand players on it compared to 30-40K players on live server while the big fights are happening. Just go and observe the big fights when you get a node upgrade request from the participants and run youÆre testing there and then. Maybe then youÆll have some true live data to help you with the lag. Otherwise, the tests wonÆt be worth crap and the issues will continue to appear on the live server while they are working properly on test server.
Comodore John Gallente Shattered Star Exiles Opprimo Vox	Posted - 2010.08.03 16:21:00 - [27] CCP fixed the UI BTW, only thing that seems to not be working is hotkeys.
Gashblight	Posted - 2010.08.03 16:41:00 - [28] Originally by: Zelda Wei Quit crying over lag, I have no sympathy! The attendance to the mass tests to find this elusive lag has been abysmal, so you only have your selves to blame, after all it can't be that bad if can't even be be bothered to help CCP reproduce the problem & find the cause on the test server. If you disagree, instead of crying a river of tears on the forum, HTFU, prove me wrong and join the mass test on Thursday. Sorry shill, I didn't realize I'm required to debug the ****ing service I pay for.
Mazzarins Demise Profit Development and Research Association	Posted - 2010.08.03 18:11:00 - [29] Originally by: Gashblight Originally by: Zelda Wei Quit crying over lag, I have no sympathy! The attendance to the mass tests to find this elusive lag has been abysmal, so you only have your selves to blame, after all it can't be that bad if can't even be be bothered to help CCP reproduce the problem & find the cause on the test server. If you disagree, instead of crying a river of tears on the forum, HTFU, prove me wrong and join the mass test on Thursday. Sorry shill, I didn't realize I'm required to debug the ****ing service I pay for. I know, seriously! Being altruistic is so passT these days. _________________________________________ Support the "Seed Primae on the market and ORE LP Stores" proposal! Click here
Larg Kellein Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2010.08.03 18:17:00 - [30] I'll be there for an hour or two. I was in on page one of not voting for the award because CCP aren't doing enough for the core parts of the game. Only fair that since I'll be available anyway, I pop in. This balances my karma and I can join another threadnaught at a later date.
Sombike Caldari Enterprise Estonia Session Changes	Posted - 2010.08.03 18:19:00 - [31] Edited by: Sombike on 03/08/2010 18:19:17 Why the hell do u need to TEST anything? Everyone already knows that the fleet finder or whatever gay "feature" was added in the last patches is the problem that needs removing/fixing. Roll back to year 2008 (good goon hunting year) and start doing things right ffs ... Holy crap, I sniped 2nd page I have never had a signature before, is it any good?
sue denim	Posted - 2010.08.04 00:23:00 - [32] Edited by: sue denim on 04/08/2010 00:25:29 why test? just roll back, it's not like they added anything great from dominion on. New sov sucks, it's broken and despite numerous bug reports and petitions they don't want to fix it, and they tell you to ** off when you petition. No one gives a about PI and it sucks, just go back to apoc and we're all **dorey. And you do realize that ccp makes millions of dollars a month in revenue, yes I want them to spend some of that on bug testers, maybe they could take it away from the new content devs cause what they're doing is unimportant anyways. Or the GMs because volunteer ones would be better then them, or fire the forum mods, because the volunteer forums mods certainly used to do a better job and be a lot less ** about it too. Also protip: might as well shutdown dust too cause it's gonna fail. Not only does it look like crap expecting it to have any longevity is unrealistic, even crap like halo doesn't keep players forever, why would console players care at all about us?
Aphser Amarr Adhocracy Incorporated	Posted - 2010.08.04 02:24:00 - [33] I will totally do testing on CCP's behalf to make their life/QA issues easier. In about 18 months...
Zalafas Minmatar	Posted - 2010.08.04 02:48:00 - [34] I would normally like to help, but I'm in CDT (GMT-5), so the test is during my working hours.
Draco Carollis Amarr The Dead Canary Mining Corporation Talos Coalition	Posted - 2010.08.04 02:49:00 - [35] Originally by: Emma Royd Perhaps if they ran the tests at different times they would get more people attending. 20:00 UTC is 21:00 UK time, I'm uk based and start work at 07:00 so I'm up for 05:00, so 21:00 start times are useless for me, the last one I tried to attend was a few months ago and was all ready and waiting and nothing happened, or at least nothing happened until at least 21:30 uk time, so I had about 30 mins left before pc's get switched off for the night. You think that's bad? 20.00 Thursday is 06.00 Friday for me. But I'll still do my best to get there, and just head into work late. The previous one was at 18.00 UTC. Good thing for alarm clocks... And since when did we all forget about this?
Tarasina	Posted - 2010.08.04 03:44:00 - [36] Got on SISI for a few. My issues. 1. Overview doesn't update after jumping gates. Solved by having 2 overview tabs, shifting back and forth once "solves it". 2. No drone-UI? Open dronebay, select drones-> launch drones-> Drone-UI appears. 3. No shortcut keys. NONE. Forget F1-F8, forget it all, doesn't work. Mouse...hello, carpal tunnel-friend. Even betas are better, maybe even alphas. Not usable.
Apollo Gabriel Domini Lex Talionis Etherium Cartel	Posted - 2010.08.04 04:57:00 - [37] Originally by: sue denim Edited by: sue denim on 04/08/2010 00:25:29 why test? just roll back, it's not like they added anything great from dominion on. New sov sucks, it's broken and despite numerous bug reports and petitions they don't want to fix it, and they tell you to ** off when you petition. No one gives a about PI and it sucks, just go back to apoc and we're all **dorey. And you do realize that ccp makes millions of dollars a month in revenue, yes I want them to spend some of that on bug testers, maybe they could take it away from the new content devs cause what they're doing is unimportant anyways. Or the GMs because volunteer ones would be better then them, or fire the forum mods, because the volunteer forums mods certainly used to do a better job and be a lot less ** about it too. Also protip: might as well shutdown dust too cause it's gonna fail. Not only does it look like crap expecting it to have any longevity is unrealistic, even crap like halo doesn't keep players forever, why would console players care at all about us? Please do not state perceptions as facts. They are not the same. If you have something to contribute to the benefits or consequences of testing, then add that here. I will be unable to make the test, and I would like to suggest that Eve streamline the procedure. Let me click enter test server from log in, or opt into it from account services. Best, Apollo TO CCP: The implicit promise of polished quality keeps me playing through the rough times. Don't let the Trolls keep you from your goals.
sue denim	Posted - 2010.08.04 06:15:00 - [38] Edited by: sue denim on 04/08/2010 06:15:55 Originally by: Apollo Gabriel Originally by: sue denim Edited by: sue denim on 04/08/2010 00:25:29 why test? just roll back, it's not like they added anything great from dominion on. New sov sucks, it's broken and despite numerous bug reports and petitions they don't want to fix it, and they tell you to ** off when you petition. No one gives a about PI and it sucks, just go back to apoc and we're all **dorey. And you do realize that ccp makes millions of dollars a month in revenue, yes I want them to spend some of that on bug testers, maybe they could take it away from the new content devs cause what they're doing is unimportant anyways. Or the GMs because volunteer ones would be better then them, or fire the forum mods, because the volunteer forums mods certainly used to do a better job and be a lot less ** about it too. Also protip: might as well shutdown dust too cause it's gonna fail. Not only does it look like crap expecting it to have any longevity is unrealistic, even crap like halo doesn't keep players forever, why would console players care at all about us? Please do not state perceptions as facts. They are not the same. If you have something to contribute to the benefits or consequences of testing, then add that here. I will be unable to make the test, and I would like to suggest that Eve streamline the procedure. Let me click enter test server from log in, or opt into it from account services. Best, Apollo Was this a "post things to help mass test" thread? No it wasn't, this was a "stop whining about lag and not come to mass testing thread." And also no :P edit: Best, Sir forum post sig
Ban Doga	Posted - 2010.08.04 06:25:00 - [39] Originally by: Apollo Gabriel Please do not state perceptions as facts. They are not the same. If you have something to contribute to the benefits or consequences of testing, then add that here. I will be unable to make the test, and I would like to suggest that Eve streamline the procedure. Let me click enter test server from log in, or opt into it from account services. Best, Apollo Making it easier to access SISI was "at the top of the hitlist" for CCP Tanis in February. In July CCP Explorer basically said "accessing SISI is easy enough, what do you want to change?". Looking at the total lack of progress and CCP Zulu's devblog I say you will have Incarna before you get a change in the way you access SISI.
Cebraio	Posted - 2010.08.04 08:46:00 - [40] Originally by: Tarasina Got on SISI for a few. My issues. 1. Overview doesn't update after jumping gates. Solved by having 2 overview tabs, shifting back and forth once "solves it". 2. No drone-UI? Open dronebay, select drones-> launch drones-> Drone-UI appears. 3. No shortcut keys. NONE. Forget F1-F8, forget it all, doesn't work. Mouse...hello, carpal tunnel-friend. Even betas are better, maybe even alphas.... And yet you found solutions for all the issues. So it is kind of usable. Thanks for sharing the solutions!
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.08.04 09:41:00 - [41] Quote: Quit crying over lag, I have no sympathy I assure you, in 18 months those people will be back to help! You know, they like to pay back attitude with attitude. Jokes asides, I sincerely preferred a vacation at Rhodes than doing the work CCP are paid to do. Now that I am back, I am going to fix my software (and install it in the car parts factories). You know, my customers pay me to do so and are so evil that they won't do it for me. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
mippie Amarr Endless Inc.	Posted - 2010.08.04 10:24:00 - [42] Originally by: Haaranovor tenn Originally by: Janos Saal Originally by: Zelda Wei So... EVE Forums - "CCP fix lag nao" CCP - "Okay, can you come give us a hand with this?" EVE Forums - "No, I want the magical faeries to fix it this instant!" CCP - "That's not how it works, see, we just need to get a more accurate look at the issue in a contro-" EVE Forums - "Faeries, now." ^^^^^^ this how do you expect them to fix the lag if they can't replicate the issues due to the player base being self absored ******s. yes we all PAY so why not HELP to make what we PAY for BETTER by helping find a fix for the MAJOR issues we are ALL encountering. jesus

CCP Lemur	Posted - 2010.08.04 10:27:00 - [43] Afaik Sisi is scheduled to switch to the hotfix branch tomorrow so all the issues with the UI that are now there will not be there tomorrow.

Ocih Amarr The Program Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2010.08.04 11:04:00 - [44] Originally by: CCP Lemur Afaik Sisi is scheduled to switch to the hotfix branch tomorrow so all the issues with the UI that are now there will not be there tomorrow. Thats all I wanted to know. Gimme an Avatar too please
Cory Sopapilla Minmatar Kiroshi Group	Posted - 2010.08.04 13:55:00 - [45] Originally by: CCP Lemur Afaik Sisi is scheduled to switch to the hotfix branch tomorrow so all the issues with the UI that are now there will not be there tomorrow. So, wait til tomorrow to install for sure then? I'm assuming it's the full download once patched. Can we get a notification of when to start the download?
bitter vetiranarian	Posted - 2010.08.04 14:09:00 - [46] Originally by: Zhana Agonskaya Have you even been on the test server lately? Overview - bugged Drone window - Vanished Window Resize - bugged fitting browser - bugged I am sure there are more! I cannot see how ccp expect ANYONE to attend the mass test when there are so many bad bugs on the test server The way ccp works with test server bugs like this i'd be more inclined to call those "great new features" not "bad bugs".
Lee Arch Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.08.04 14:36:00 - [47] Originally by: CCP Lemur Afaik Sisi is scheduled to switch to the hotfix branch tomorrow so all the issues with the UI that are now there will not be there tomorrow. can you clarify if we need to patch today or tomorrow(ive just got a new "update"), fyi rawr ts will be open again will post password tomorrow and nc is going to bring some guys over, over.
Gamst The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.08.04 14:45:00 - [48] Originally by: gobbybobby Edited by: gobbybobby on 03/08/2010 12:27:31 Heh the test server is gonna be full of bugs that's what its for. they prob don't have the resources to test it on a large scale so let the players test it and have fun at the same time. You get to try things out before there release, and more people = more bug reports = better data to make fix's. If they didn't have the resources to hire someone outside the company then how the hell are they involved in making two other games? That is what I would like to know. If you think about taking those two projects away would mean they "might" have the resources to get some help outside the company to fix this. Not only that I believe being in Iceland hurts the companies chance of really getting top notch people in the door. Should be based out of EU or the US.

CCP Lemur	Posted - 2010.08.04 14:47:00 - [49] Originally by: Lee Arch Originally by: CCP Lemur Afaik Sisi is scheduled to switch to the hotfix branch tomorrow so all the issues with the UI that are now there will not be there tomorrow. can you clarify if we need to patch today or tomorrow(ive just got a new "update"), fyi rawr ts will be open again will post password tomorrow and nc is going to bring some guys over, over. The "new" update is an update to the current staging branch where we are doing a UI corification. Tomorrow there will be a new build on Sisi from the hotfix branch. This will not have any of the new UI issues currently on Sisi. You will have to make a new copy of the TQ build and patch from there since there will be no patch from today's Sisi build to the one tomorrow. You can check this gentleman's page and when the branch for sisi says HOTFIX then you are good to go with patching. Which will be tomorrow afternoon. I hope this make this a bit more understandable.

Lord Maximullis Amarr Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics	Posted - 2010.08.04 14:56:00 - [50] Haha ** you. We pay for a service, we don't pay to work for CCP. In no way is it the players' fault that lag hasn't been fixed, and if CCP were that commited to fixing it they would have hired some actual professionals to look into this, instead of begging their paying cutomers to do the work for them. tl;dr: ** you and die I see someone's brain decided to hit the "Eject" button. The simple answer is that CCP does not have enough manpower to run these mass tests on their own as well as wanting the tests to be as realistic as possible, personally I enjoy EvE and I am prepared to take a little bit of my time to make it a better game. In words you may understand: lol u phail gb2WOW.
Nikita Alterana Gallente Risen Angels	Posted - 2010.08.04 14:58:00 - [51] Originally by: Janos Saal Originally by: Zelda Wei Quit crying over lag, I have no sympathy! The attendance to the mass tests to find this elusive lag has been abysmal, so you only have your selves to blame, after all it can't be that bad if can't even be be bothered to help CCP reproduce the problem & find the cause on the test server. If you disagree, instead of crying a river of tears on the forum, HTFU, prove me wrong and join the mass test on Thursday. Haha ** you. We pay for a service, we don't pay to work for CCP. In no way is it the players' fault that lag hasn't been fixed, and if CCP were that commited to fixing it they would have hired some actual professionals to look into this, instead of begging their paying cutomers to do the work for them. tl;dr: ** you and die Uh what? Are you high or something? CCP physically cannot do it without help, they can't magically acquire enough people to do a proper test, they need our help. Life isn't about Waiting for the storm to pass. It's about standing in the rain.
Yeay Fritg Caldari Confrerie de Kaedri Cluster Of Rebirth	Posted - 2010.08.04 15:10:00 - [52] Joining will this time make a change ? I will go to test server again when I will help a feature list to test ! CCP can't you simulate the players actions based on the recorded information you have from the last big fleets ? Do you ? Please give us some more oinformation about your way between the Test and not only result saying it's better. On my view when you ask player to join on the test server it mutch be Alpha test close to the Beta test, no ? Yeay

CCP Navigator C C P C C P Alliance	Posted - 2010.08.04 16:08:00 - [53] Inappropriate reply and subsequent quotes deleted or removed. Please stay on topic. Navigator Senior Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online

Wacktopia Dark Side Of The Womb Focused Intentions	Posted - 2010.08.04 17:34:00 - [54] Edited by: Wacktopia on 04/08/2010 17:35:33 Originally by: Zhana Agonskaya Have you even been on the test server lately? Overview - bugged Drone window - Vanished Window Resize - bugged fitting browser - bugged I am sure there are more! I cannot see how ccp expect ANYONE to attend the mass test when there are so many bad bugs on the test server This. Edit: I think a lot of people might be holding back on testing because of the bugs - SISI client count is at a low at the moment. CCP please maximise publication of the test and fixed bugs :)

CCP Stillman	Posted - 2010.08.04 17:39:00 - [55] Originally by: Wacktopia Edited by: Wacktopia on 04/08/2010 17:35:33 Originally by: Zhana Agonskaya Have you even been on the test server lately? Overview - bugged Drone window - Vanished Window Resize - bugged fitting browser - bugged I am sure there are more! I cannot see how ccp expect ANYONE to attend the mass test when there are so many bad bugs on the test server This. Edit: I think a lot of people might be holding back on testing because of the bugs - SISI client count is at a low at the moment. CCP please maximise publication of the test and fixed bugs :) Please see Lemur's post about the fact we will be using EVE-HOTFIX for tomorrow's mass-test, and not EVE-STAGING where the bugs currently are. And most of the items you list are already resolved internally, as people are back from holiday :)

Larg Kellein Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2010.08.04 17:50:00 - [56] Gah, had a hell of a time getting sisi up and running yesterday and now you tell me I'll have to do it again. So much for me being well prepared so I'd just have to log in as the test is literally 15 minutes after I expect to be home from work :-( CCP dudes, any chance you could freeze sisi's client version for maybe 48 hours before these scheduled tests in the future? I know it wouldn't always be possible, but at least strive for it so people can prepare at a convenient time?
Obsidian Hawk RONA Legion	Posted - 2010.08.04 17:53:00 - [57] Originally by: CCP Stillman Originally by: Wacktopia Edited by: Wacktopia on 04/08/2010 17:35:33 This. Edit: I think a lot of people might be holding back on testing because of the bugs - SISI client count is at a low at the moment. CCP please maximise publication of the test and fixed bugs :) Please see Lemur's post about the fact we will be using EVE-HOTFIX for tomorrow's mass-test, and not EVE-STAGING where the bugs currently are. And most of the items you list are already resolved internally, as people are back from holiday :) Remember most of the forum posters have the attention span and tempers of a 5 year old that wants candy from the market check out lane. But for those of you that are unable to read. Tonight - Make a copy of your tq folder. 2 hours before mass test - download the tq to sisi patch and install it as at this time sisi will be fixed and will not have the overview bugs.
Lee Arch Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.08.04 18:14:00 - [58] Originally by: CCP Lemur Originally by: Lee Arch Originally by: CCP Lemur Afaik Sisi is scheduled to switch to the hotfix branch tomorrow so all the issues with the UI that are now there will not be there tomorrow. can you clarify if we need to patch today or tomorrow(ive just got a new "update"), fyi rawr ts will be open again will post password tomorrow and nc is going to bring some guys over, over. The "new" update is an update to the current staging branch where we are doing a UI corification. Tomorrow there will be a new build on Sisi from the hotfix branch. This will not have any of the new UI issues currently on Sisi. You will have to make a new copy of the TQ build and patch from there since there will be no patch from today's Sisi build to the one tomorrow. You can check this gentleman's page and when the branch for sisi says HOTFIX then you are good to go with patching. Which will be tomorrow afternoon. I hope this make this a bit more understandable. Terrible planning I must say, I told everyone to prepare their clients early(like today) so they wouldnt get trouble tomorrow. This will be a reason why only 20% of the people that would have attend will eventually join up.
AccesiViale Gallente The Artful Dodgers	Posted - 2010.08.04 18:44:00 - [59] Originally by: Lee Arch Originally by: CCP Lemur Originally by: Lee Arch Originally by: CCP Lemur Afaik Sisi is scheduled to switch to the hotfix branch tomorrow so all the issues with the UI that are now there will not be there tomorrow. can you clarify if we need to patch today or tomorrow(ive just got a new "update"), fyi rawr ts will be open again will post password tomorrow and nc is going to bring some guys over, over. The "new" update is an update to the current staging branch where we are doing a UI corification. Tomorrow there will be a new build on Sisi from the hotfix branch. This will not have any of the new UI issues currently on Sisi. You will have to make a new copy of the TQ build and patch from there since there will be no patch from today's Sisi build to the one tomorrow. You can check this gentleman's page and when the branch for sisi says HOTFIX then you are good to go with patching. Which will be tomorrow afternoon. I hope this make this a bit more understandable. Terrible planning I must say, I told everyone to prepare their clients early(like today) so they wouldnt get trouble tomorrow. This will be a reason why only 20% of the people that would have attend will eventually join up. just an example to support the reply that i originally posted that ccp quickly deleted. Have fun with your "mass" testing. You wouldnt think you would need to tell professional developers to code freeze a sufficient time before a mass testing event that needs to be coordinated like this. The sky was blue but there was no god.
Borun Tal Minmatar Spacepods Inc	Posted - 2010.08.04 18:56:00 - [60] If the mass testing were to be scheduled during a time when I can play (not during business hours, western US) I would be more than willing to take part!
Ranger 1 Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.08.04 19:17:00 - [61] It's much easier to post a cute, supposedly witty comment than to do something to help address the issues you enjoy complaining about... as well as making a positive contribution to the EVE gaming community. You know full well that the issues that need testing only manifest when large numbers of people are engaged in a combat scenario, and that the only way it's ever going to get fixed is by mass testing events. Apparently your priority is not "bringing serious issues to CCP's attention", or attempting to lift one finger to make it possible for CCP to do what you are so feverishly demanding. It's painfully apparent what your actual priorities are. If you can't make the testing, that's fine... many can't. But crowing about how you refuse help as if you are teaching CCP some sort of lesson does nothing more than make you look like a complete ass. ===== If you go to Za'Ha'Dum I will gank you.
Lee Arch Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.08.04 20:05:00 - [62] Edited by: Lee Arch on 04/08/2010 20:06:00 i just remember how many kids wanted to join the world of derpcraft testrealms, why? because they got nice maxlevel chars with max equipment so they thought they could finally test properly. In the end it was only about shiny epics, but it helped participation. Similar to the supercap test on eve, but what do newbies get here? Maybe a sore ass but that is it. I can only laugh, yet again, at the incompetence CCP showed for their mass-testings. Holy patchfury shall come on thee.
Obsidian Hawk RONA Legion	Posted - 2010.08.04 21:43:00 - [63] Originally by: Lee Arch Edited by: Lee Arch on 04/08/2010 20:06:00 i just remember how many kids wanted to join the world of derpcraft testrealms, why? because they got nice maxlevel chars with max equipment so they thought they could finally test properly. In the end it was only about shiny epics, but it helped participation. Similar to the supercap test on eve, but what do newbies get here? Maybe a sore ass but that is it. I can only laugh, yet again, at the incompetence CCP showed for their mass-testings. Holy patchfury shall come on thee. kinda the reason we dont do this on eve, ccp needs a variety of ships in a fleet, not everyone with lvl 5 skills in super caps. Frigates are apart of a huge fleet battle as much as the capitals are.
Lan Staz	Posted - 2010.08.04 22:04:00 - [64] Originally by: Obsidian Hawk kinda the reason we dont do this on eve, ccp needs a variety of ships in a fleet, not everyone with lvl 5 skills in super caps. Frigates are apart of a huge fleet battle as much as the capitals are. True enough, but it still seems to me that CCP could get a better turnout by offering some additional incentive. Now that they have the ability to dish out skill-points....
Kandarus Minmatar Lyonesse. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.08.04 22:13:00 - [65] Originally by: Lan Staz Originally by: Obsidian Hawk kinda the reason we dont do this on eve, ccp needs a variety of ships in a fleet, not everyone with lvl 5 skills in super caps. Frigates are apart of a huge fleet battle as much as the capitals are. True enough, but it still seems to me that CCP could get a better turnout by offering some additional incentive. Now that they have the ability to dish out skill-points.... Catering to the customer base? What a novel idea.
Cebraio	Posted - 2010.08.05 19:15:00 - [66] Just a reminder .... Originally by: CCP Tanis I wanted to drop in to point out that: for today's test, you will only need to copy the TQ client and add a shortcut as described in the OP. You will not need to patch anything at all! Steps, for the lazy/TL;DR among us (like me): 1. Copy your TQ client 2. Create a shortcut to the new client somewhere 3. Edit the shortcut properties and add the following into the 'target' field, exactly, minus the quotes: " /server:singularity" (note the space before the '/') You will then be able to login to Sisi, without having to patch anything. We've also uploaded a new mirror, so accounts and characters should be much more up to date for everyone!
Angie McFish	Posted - 2010.08.05 19:57:00 - [67] is there a global chat on Sis?
Apollo Gabriel Domini Lex Talionis Etherium Cartel	Posted - 2010.08.06 12:43:00 - [68] How did the test go? TO CCP: The implicit promise of polished quality keeps me playing through the rough times. Don't let the Trolls keep you from your goals.
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2010.08.06 12:57:00 - [69] Originally by: Apollo Gabriel How did the test go? Linkage You can also read the feedback thread for more detail.

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