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Posted - 2004.12.21 15:22:00 -
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Posted - 2004.12.21 15:22:00 -
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Cal Drago
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Posted - 2004.12.21 17:11:00 -
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I don't know what you're smoking, dude. I've got my Cyclone fitted with 720s and shield tanked, running level 3 agent missions. It totally owns.
I also killed one someone we were at war with, who was in a 100mn AB + 10mn MWD Thorax (pre-AB nerf) with this ship.
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Cal Drago
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Posted - 2004.12.21 17:11:00 -
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I don't know what you're smoking, dude. I've got my Cyclone fitted with 720s and shield tanked, running level 3 agent missions. It totally owns.
I also killed one someone we were at war with, who was in a 100mn AB + 10mn MWD Thorax (pre-AB nerf) with this ship.
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2004.12.21 17:19:00 -
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Cal, you gonna share that shield tanking setup, cos we all tried it every which way but loose, and couldnt get it working better than armour tanking?
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"Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally." - Unknown Warrior
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2004.12.21 17:19:00 -
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Cal, you gonna share that shield tanking setup, cos we all tried it every which way but loose, and couldnt get it working better than armour tanking?
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"Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally." - Unknown Warrior
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Uglious
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Posted - 2004.12.22 05:56:00 -
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Key for my shield tanking on a Cyclone:
Med sheild booster II + 2xshield amplifier I + cap recharger 1 (or better)
Yes, 2x shield amplifiers 1's, as it will for a given amount of cap, make up for the cap loss vs. fitting other cap, and give more HP quickly to shields if you need it.
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Uglious
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Posted - 2004.12.22 05:56:00 -
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Key for my shield tanking on a Cyclone:
Med sheild booster II + 2xshield amplifier I + cap recharger 1 (or better)
Yes, 2x shield amplifiers 1's, as it will for a given amount of cap, make up for the cap loss vs. fitting other cap, and give more HP quickly to shields if you need it.
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Anjerrai Meloanis
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Posted - 2004.12.22 11:15:00 -
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but without resistances you cant really tank that much can you?
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Anjerrai Meloanis
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Posted - 2004.12.22 11:15:00 -
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but without resistances you cant really tank that much can you?
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Estios
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Posted - 2004.12.22 11:19:00 -
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 Originally by: Uglious
Key for my shield tanking on a Cyclone:
Med sheild booster II + 2xshield amplifier I + cap recharger 1 (or better)
Yes, 2x shield amplifiers 1's, as it will for a given amount of cap, make up for the cap loss vs. fitting other cap, and give more HP quickly to shields if you need it.
No offence but that is NOT a tanked shield in any way, you have 0% EM Resistance and very low Thermal resistance. Any decent offensive ship would rip through your shields in a couple of volleys and your one shield booster would never hope to keep up.
50 % Resistance (ie one hardner) is WAY better than an extra 30% boost from an amp. What does a med shield booster boost per cycle ? Add 30% to that and then work out whether you'd rather that measly extra 30% each cycle OR reduce the damage you are receiving from a laser by 50% EVERY shot
So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
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Estios
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Posted - 2004.12.22 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: Uglious
Key for my shield tanking on a Cyclone:
Med sheild booster II + 2xshield amplifier I + cap recharger 1 (or better)
Yes, 2x shield amplifiers 1's, as it will for a given amount of cap, make up for the cap loss vs. fitting other cap, and give more HP quickly to shields if you need it.
No offence but that is NOT a tanked shield in any way, you have 0% EM Resistance and very low Thermal resistance. Any decent offensive ship would rip through your shields in a couple of volleys and your one shield booster would never hope to keep up.
50 % Resistance (ie one hardner) is WAY better than an extra 30% boost from an amp. What does a med shield booster boost per cycle ? Add 30% to that and then work out whether you'd rather that measly extra 30% each cycle OR reduce the damage you are receiving from a laser by 50% EVERY shot
So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
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darth solo
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Posted - 2004.12.22 11:36:00 -
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Estios is rite...
ma world has came to an end:(. .
d solo.
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darth solo
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Posted - 2004.12.22 11:36:00 -
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Estios is rite...
ma world has came to an end:(..
d solo.
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hooj
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Posted - 2004.12.22 12:12:00 -
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it kinda depends though dunnit. If i'm fighting a Caracal spewing out kinetic missiles then i'd rather have an amp than an em hardner.
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hooj
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Posted - 2004.12.22 12:12:00 -
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it kinda depends though dunnit. If i'm fighting a Caracal spewing out kinetic missiles then i'd rather have an amp than an em hardner.
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Hakera
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Posted - 2004.12.22 12:14:00 -
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why is it CCP expect minnie ships to shield tank with 3-4 med slots and the cap relay nerf?
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Hakera
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Posted - 2004.12.22 12:14:00 -
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why is it CCP expect minnie ships to shield tank with 3-4 med slots and the cap relay nerf?
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FatHed
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Posted - 2004.12.22 12:32:00 -
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They don't expect you too. Minmatar ships are supposed to be the fast agile ships, but you are suppose to choose from shield or armor tanking. You don't really have enough slots to do either one as effective as another race. In addition, if you really want to shield tank it you will prolly have to sacrifice the AB or MWD, and forget about EW. If you really want to armor tank it you can forget about dmg mods and you will prolly have power problems.
I do think that this can be fixed simply by making armor hardners mid slots, and shield hardners low slots, or at least it would be interesting to try.
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FatHed
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Posted - 2004.12.22 12:32:00 -
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They don't expect you too. Minmatar ships are supposed to be the fast agile ships, but you are suppose to choose from shield or armor tanking. You don't really have enough slots to do either one as effective as another race. In addition, if you really want to shield tank it you will prolly have to sacrifice the AB or MWD, and forget about EW. If you really want to armor tank it you can forget about dmg mods and you will prolly have power problems.
I do think that this can be fixed simply by making armor hardners mid slots, and shield hardners low slots, or at least it would be interesting to try.
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Hakera
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Posted - 2004.12.22 12:37:00 -
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thats the thing you see, armour tank and you can use cap rechargers to keep your armour tank going longer and more efficiently. Shield tank got hit with the nerf bat with cap relays, you cannot no longer keep a shield tank going on minnie ships for any length of time, especially with the HP increases
as for minnie ships supposed to go fast & agile?? it doesnt make a difference at the cruiser or BS level. Especially with the speed nerfs now and the tracking of large weapons/missiles.
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Hakera
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Posted - 2004.12.22 12:37:00 -
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thats the thing you see, armour tank and you can use cap rechargers to keep your armour tank going longer and more efficiently. Shield tank got hit with the nerf bat with cap relays, you cannot no longer keep a shield tank going on minnie ships for any length of time, especially with the HP increases
as for minnie ships supposed to go fast & agile?? it doesnt make a difference at the cruiser or BS level. Especially with the speed nerfs now and the tracking of large weapons/missiles.
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2004.12.22 12:37:00 -
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Id love to be a fast running hitter. It would make us truly different, apart from what seems to be now, a bit of everything and master of nothing. Which, considering you can fly any ship with the right skills, means people will just switch to the race which does the best job.
Give us a nice speed increase, and let our weapons hit at such a high speed. About the only weapon i can hit with at high speeds is the 125mm autocannon, and have you seen that thing chew thru ammo and do not alot of damage and miss while its doing it?
Not winging, just pointing out the flaws, if CCP want us to be a fast hard hitting race, by all means make it so.
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"Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally." - Unknown Warrior
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2004.12.22 12:37:00 -
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Id love to be a fast running hitter. It would make us truly different, apart from what seems to be now, a bit of everything and master of nothing. Which, considering you can fly any ship with the right skills, means people will just switch to the race which does the best job.
Give us a nice speed increase, and let our weapons hit at such a high speed. About the only weapon i can hit with at high speeds is the 125mm autocannon, and have you seen that thing chew thru ammo and do not alot of damage and miss while its doing it?
Not winging, just pointing out the flaws, if CCP want us to be a fast hard hitting race, by all means make it so.
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"Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally." - Unknown Warrior
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FatHed
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Posted - 2004.12.22 12:48:00 -
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Edited by: FatHed on 22/12/2004 12:50:56
As for the cap relay gimpage, try using power diagnostic units instead of reactor control units, and learn to fly amarr ships.
Even worse for us, Megathrons and Thoraxs are suppose to get in quick and hit hard. Thoraxs even have a bonus so they have less of cap penalty for mounting a MWD, I think on my Thorax it's like 10% now.
Personally, I would have loved to see the Minmatars get the EW ships and the Caldari stick with the missle boats, but it's a little late to change that.
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FatHed
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Posted - 2004.12.22 12:48:00 -
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Edited by: FatHed on 22/12/2004 12:50:56
As for the cap relay gimpage, try using power diagnostic units instead of reactor control units, and learn to fly amarr ships.
Even worse for us, Megathrons and Thoraxs are suppose to get in quick and hit hard. Thoraxs even have a bonus so they have less of cap penalty for mounting a MWD, I think on my Thorax it's like 10% now.
Personally, I would have loved to see the Minmatars get the EW ships and the Caldari stick with the missle boats, but it's a little late to change that.
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TYL3R
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Posted - 2004.12.22 13:45:00 -
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Edited by: TYL3R on 22/12/2004 13:46:39
Cyclone is supposed to be a shield tanker - it gets a ship bonus for shield boosting.
Basically The cyclone IMO is like the Tempest in that it just happens to have its strengths in the most broken parts of the game - Projectils and Shield Tanking.
i dont care what ppl claim they can do with either ship, the fact remains that if they tried to do the same job with an equivalent ship from another race then they would have done the job better.
Some1 said matars werent supposed to tank, they were supposed to hit and run! WTF not exactly awesome fast firepower with projectile RoFs is it! I do however agree it would be nice to have an uber hit and run ship which sacrificed its defences to do so. wont work on matars tho with the RoF or the miserly speed advantage that their is at present.
I believe the way forward maybe not to give the matar ships there defence but to give them more speed so that their speed advantage has similar effect that it has on frig class ships.
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TYL3R
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Posted - 2004.12.22 13:45:00 -
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Edited by: TYL3R on 22/12/2004 13:46:39
Cyclone is supposed to be a shield tanker - it gets a ship bonus for shield boosting.
Basically The cyclone IMO is like the Tempest in that it just happens to have its strengths in the most broken parts of the game - Projectils and Shield Tanking.
i dont care what ppl claim they can do with either ship, the fact remains that if they tried to do the same job with an equivalent ship from another race then they would have done the job better.
Some1 said matars werent supposed to tank, they were supposed to hit and run! WTF not exactly awesome fast firepower with projectile RoFs is it! I do however agree it would be nice to have an uber hit and run ship which sacrificed its defences to do so. wont work on matars tho with the RoF or the miserly speed advantage that their is at present.
I believe the way forward maybe not to give the matar ships there defence but to give them more speed so that their speed advantage has similar effect that it has on frig class ships.
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2004.12.22 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: Khaldorn Murino
Id love to be a fast running hitter. It would make us truly different, apart from what seems to be now, a bit of everything and master of nothing. Which, considering you can fly any ship with the right skills, means people will just switch to the race which does the best job.
Give us a nice speed increase, and let our weapons hit at such a high speed. About the only weapon i can hit with at high speeds is the 125mm autocannon, and have you seen that thing chew thru ammo and do not alot of damage and miss while its doing it?
Not winging, just pointing out the flaws, if CCP want us to be a fast hard hitting race, by all means make it so.
's why you're getting 20% more tracking on autocannons, to make it possible to get good hits at high speed.
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2004.12.22 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: Khaldorn Murino
Id love to be a fast running hitter. It would make us truly different, apart from what seems to be now, a bit of everything and master of nothing. Which, considering you can fly any ship with the right skills, means people will just switch to the race which does the best job.
Give us a nice speed increase, and let our weapons hit at such a high speed. About the only weapon i can hit with at high speeds is the 125mm autocannon, and have you seen that thing chew thru ammo and do not alot of damage and miss while its doing it?
Not winging, just pointing out the flaws, if CCP want us to be a fast hard hitting race, by all means make it so.
's why you're getting 20% more tracking on autocannons, to make it possible to get good hits at high speed.
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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