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XXSketchxx
Gallente
Remote Soviet Industries
Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2010.08.05 04:29:00 -
[91]
Your response is only valid if you agree with the op.
That is all.
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enterprisePSI
Gallente
Unimatrix 0.1
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Posted - 2010.08.05 04:40:00 -
[92]
I look at plex prices and scream: UP! UP! UP! 
Tears, or the titan dies!
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Idami Raptor
Gallente
Section Eight LLC
Omega Vector
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Posted - 2010.08.05 04:48:00 -
[93]
 Originally by: enterprisePSI
I look at plex prices and scream: UP! UP! UP!
Hate Hate Hate Hate Hate Hate Hate Hate Hate Hate Hate Hate Hate Hate Hate Hate Hate Hate Hate Hate Hate Hate HATE!
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Irae Ragwan
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Posted - 2010.08.05 05:17:00 -
[94]
Originally by: enterprisePSI
I look at plex prices and scream: UP! UP! UP!
This.
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Patri Andari
Caldari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
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Posted - 2010.08.05 06:33:00 -
[95]
PLEX prices are going up!
For those who can't afford it that might suck!
You should get a job,
and not be a slob.
Figure out some ways to make a buck!
Me is poet? 
Patri
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Intar Medris
Amarr
evil kitty industries
Evil Kitty Federation
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Posted - 2010.08.05 06:36:00 -
[96]
Note to OP.
Real people PAY real MONEY for that PLEX you use to play EVE. That is why it is so high. 300-310 mil is a fair price. So if you want it you gotta pay for it. Really I wish it was higher.
Flame me I dare you. |
Dr Sheepbringer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.05 06:39:00 -
[97]
As it has been posted, you can't study economics as a "simple science". Too much happens. It's not just about numbers and figures and trade. When someone get's blown up with a full cargo of trade items it affects the economy. When you add ALL these happenings...it's a lot. Also don't forget that it's not just about mining -> selling/building. It's also about logistics. There is A LOT OF stuff in transit all the time. So you can't play it just by mining goes straight o the economical cycle.
Not to mention missions, because you get trade items and minerals from them, and money.
Real-life scenarios also affect eve. If one country get's a power shortage and nobody can log on...it affects the market.
Basically all and all, it's not about CCP it's about you, me, everybody within Eve and outside. Why outside? Well I mentioned real-life scenarios, but people having the ability to pay for gametime with REAL money also affects.
It's economy, stop whining it's a game design problem.
Stop whining. |
Sandrane Kipler
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Posted - 2010.08.05 06:44:00 -
[98]
I wonder whether OP has considered that without the PLEX he wouldn't be able to play at all if he can't afford to subscribe with a credit card. So if he really dislikes grinding for PLEX that bad perhaps he should really just stay away from eve unless he either actually values other aspects of eve higher than the grind or is just an eve-junky who's lost the grasp on reality...
In case of the latter there's nothing any of us can say or do to make him feel better as he will either continue to ignore the already given answers or will just come up with new rofl-statements.
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enterprisePSI
Gallente
Unimatrix 0.1
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Posted - 2010.08.05 08:12:00 -
[99]
OP needs to die (In Game) since he cannot adapt.
I used to do the same stupid thing. Then i decided to buy a house, so i started working 2 jobs. On one of them i can play eve, but crap computer forces me to stay docked. So i decided to pay real money per month.
But then i thought, hey do some trading, despite the fact that i hate trading, numbers maths in general.
thus , adapted!
I still use plexes for all my characters. It is that easy.
Tears, or the titan dies!
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Wyke Mossari
Gallente
Staner Industries
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Posted - 2010.08.05 10:15:00 -
[100]
It is naive to think an increased supply automatically lowers prices, and a decreased supply automatically raises them. That is why it is called Supply AND demand economics.
Volume is not the governing factor in price fluctuations, it a function of them. What changes prices is an imbalance between supply and demand. The prices will change until a equilibrium is achieved.
Therefore if the supply increases, and demand increases more than the prices and volume rises.
If the supply decreases and demand decreases more then prices and volume fall.
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Sandrane Kipler
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Posted - 2010.08.05 10:55:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Wyke Mossari
It is naive to think an increased supply automatically lowers prices, and a decreased supply automatically raises them. That is why it is called Supply AND demand economics.
Wouldn't go as far as calling it naive. In fact it's exactly how things work. Some people just have trouble with the ceteris paribus concept.
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Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.08.05 11:23:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Idami Raptor
Originally by: enterprisePSI
I look at plex prices and scream: UP! UP! UP!
Hate Hate Hate Hate Hate Hate Hate Hate Hate Hate Hate Hate Hate Hate Hate Hate Hate Hate Hate Hate Hate Hate HATE!
PS I bought 26 PLEX last night. Enjoy your price spike!
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Dalden V
Blue Lounge Industries
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Posted - 2010.08.05 11:58:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Malcanis
PS I bought 26 PLEX last night. Enjoy your price spike!
On average 1358 PLEX is traded per day, don't think an extra 26 in one day will make much of a difference :)
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Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.08.05 17:41:00 -
[104]
I know that I just wanted to rub his face in it.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.08.05 18:03:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Malcanis
PS I bought 26 PLEX last night. Enjoy your price spike!
Hey, I thought you cancelled all your accounts cause of CCP being coke-snorting egoists...
*har* *har* *har*
BTW, why would you invest in PLEX when PI's are oscillating so much?
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Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.08.05 21:46:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
Originally by: Malcanis
PS I bought 26 PLEX last night. Enjoy your price spike!
Hey, I thought you cancelled all your accounts cause of CCP being coke-snorting egoists...
*har* *har* *har*
BTW, why would you invest in PLEX when PI's are oscillating so much?
You thought correctly, which must have been an enjoyable experience for you. In the event that I return, I will be able to play for free for over a year. If I dont, then the ISK would be useless to me anyway.
I bought the PLEX now because I believe that there is a significant chance the the price of PLEX will rise in the future, and because I had the ISK. What the heck else should I spend it on?
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Bernard Schuyler
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Posted - 2010.08.05 22:00:00 -
[107]
OP: The ability to play an MMO for free with PLEX isn't a guaranteed right. Most people you know, pay a subscription 
Put up some scam contracts in Jita and hope someone accidentally sells you one for 310 thousand or something :-p
If PLEX prices do not stay at an attractive level then guess what? Nobody will pay the cash for them that actually funded your subscription fees 
I don't think there is enough evidence to suggest market manipulation other than the old Supply/Demand chestnut.
If PLEX prices drop, people do not pay cash to bring them into play. Volume drops, price rises. Higher price means more people spending cash to pay for other people's subscriptions. 
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SlayerOfArgus
Gallente
Hermes Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.08.05 23:20:00 -
[108]
Dude I have three accounts and pay for all of them through plex. I have no trouble at all making the 950 mil a month for them at all. You need to figure out better ways to make isk
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bIowen
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Posted - 2010.08.06 09:07:00 -
[109]
Low plex prices = bad for ccp.
They very well might be manipulating the market seeing as they can summon isk from the void.
However, plex prices also depend partly on the illegal (against the rules) third party isk selling websites and how much their isk is going for in real money.
Also if you can't make 300mil a month in game (which isn't that hard) honestly 15usd a month subscription isn't that much. That's like eating out once less a month, and maybe skipping one trip to starbucks.
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Berikath
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Posted - 2010.08.06 14:09:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Idami Raptor
1.) Trade is not fun.
2.) Ratting is not fun.
3.) Missioning is definetly not fun.
4.) Mining...do I need to say it?
5.) Complexes...not fun.
And know what? Running missions all day and STILL not having any isk at the end of the day because you spent almost of it on PLEX is bloody..........
*blah blah blah blah*
Find low-sec pocket. Set up extractors and basic processors. Reset your extractors on 23 hour cycles daily. Every few days, move your P1s to Jita and sell them. Make at LEAST 10 mil a day in just about the easiest, most-afk method possible.
Seriously, an account can be self-sufficient with just lvl 4 CC upgrades and interplan. consolidation on one character. If you can't find ways to make ISK, you aren't looking hard enough.
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No Maz
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Posted - 2010.08.06 15:34:00 -
[111]
Firstly û I should say that after playing for the first 2-3 months after my love affair with EVE started û I have used in game ISK to fund my account using PLEX and GTC (when a month was 150-180mill).
I even have a second account now paid with PLEX which I see is mostly a luxury as an account with 3 chars is more than enough for me.
So whatever you do û and you want to fund your EVE experience with in game ISK û you need to get better at it.
However, we all play as we want to play û there is no right or wrong û but you should consider the advice on these board about creating a money making char which can fund your other activities û a lot of people do that and you have many examples even in this thread on what is possible.
Finally û I am suggesting you are a troll or too young to think this through û but any trader, or most people, can tell you that prices fluctuate nearly on all items in EVE (markets mostly driven by players) and it is very common for prices to vary within a +/- 10% range.
So assuming that a PLEX is roughly 300mill û a 10% variance would be 270mill to 330mill and I see no evidence of anything happening at all in the market except a few localised changes that very quickly trend back to the norm.
SO I would advise that you by PLEX not when you need it û but when the prices fall û if you canÆt û it is not a conspiracy û just normal behaviour.
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Mini Tee
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Posted - 2010.08.06 16:25:00 -
[112]
I told you so Linkage
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BA ZING
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Posted - 2010.08.06 22:12:00 -
[113]
Undock
Right click in space,
Select eject from your mission boat,
Right click again in space,
Self destruct,
Wait 2mins,
kill your self,
log off,
and never come back...
Seriously though, 4 pages long? Really?
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.08.06 22:18:00 -
[114]
Originally by: BA ZING
Seriously though, 4 pages long? Really?
If this was in New Players where it looks like it belongs, it might have been over on page 2... but since this is MD...
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Beginner's ISK making guide | Manufacturer's helper | All about reacting
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Pur3Bl00D
Minmatar
Immortal Serial Killers
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Posted - 2010.08.06 23:52:00 -
[115]
Seems people value their time just a bit more than virtual money. They would rather pay a bit extra of IRL cash to save on time and effort in a video game and play the game just for fun.
Also you should get a job too, that will help you understand the real value of even 2-3 real life hours of mindless missioning / mining / hauling.... heck even station trading....
...nuff said...
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Jones Bones
Final Agony
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Posted - 2010.08.07 05:05:00 -
[116]
You sound soft and weak. I would suggest another MMO.
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Vak Keelin
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Posted - 2010.08.07 06:09:00 -
[117]
Edited by: Vak Keelin on 07/08/2010 06:13:37
Edited by: Vak Keelin on 07/08/2010 06:12:37
I started playing eve a short time ago and at first the prospect of trying to build a true fortune in eve seemed daunting to even my patient approach to the game. Then I discovered the in game value of the PLEX. Well, EUREKA! IÆve found my answer. As a man who is fortunate enough to have a good RL job, the paltry 30 or so US$ it cost to buy a couple of PLEX seemed ridiculously low. I mean, a 10000000/1 ratio? ThatÆs so cheap itÆs laughable.
My first thought was that the PLEX price was destined to crash, it absolutely had to. Not so fast though, these things are the only single eve item with real world value and it is not in CCPÆs best interest to allow them to devalue. In the final analysis, they want to sell as many as possible and to do that, they have to keep people motivated to buy them. The price of 300 million per seems to be the price that accomplishes that goal. I guarantee, if the market floods with enough to lower that value, CCP will find away to remove them from circulation and keep that value intact. Remember, real world money here boys and girls, donÆt believe that EveÆs economy will ever override that.
As for me, Ill be flying whatever I want as soon as IÆm trained. Dropping 500 bucks on PLEXÆs is nothing for me if it gives me the LOLÆs as you say.
And the accountants in Iceland just keep smilingà
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2010.08.07 06:33:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Vak Keelin
I started playing eve a short time ago and at first the prospect of trying to build a true fortune in eve seemed daunting to even my patient approach to the game. Then I discovered the in game value of the PLEX. Well, EUREKA! IÆve found my answer. As a man who is fortunate enough to have a good RL job, the paltry 30 or so US$ it cost to buy a couple of PLEX seemed ridiculously low. I mean, a 10000000/1 ratio? ThatÆs so cheap itÆs laughable.
Considering that if I liquidate I could buy some 250-300 PLEX'es, they are so cheap it's laughable.
From both ends of the spectrum, PLEX'es are rad.
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clixoras
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Posted - 2010.08.07 09:14:00 -
[119]
They will go down after the summer.
1. Holidays are over
2. People getting bored with PI clickfest
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sm1thy
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Posted - 2010.08.07 11:16:00 -
[120]
Originally by: flakeys
... mplah mplah ...
I played a ****load of mmorpgs and i find eve to best regarding iskgrind vs funtime.So many different ways to make isk.
... mplah ...
This is just so true.
And may i add, one of of the few that "end-game" if there is such a thing in eve is not just rewarding content-wise but money-wise. You can get to a position where you make and spend lots of ingame money with minimal effort, while at the same time laughing at those who still either pay with RL cash for their subsription or have 'bought' isk through the redeem system.
There is a road to get there though. My suggestion try to build up some capital. Get a 6-month subscription paid in advance with Rl cash and use those isk in a a 'smart' way to multiply them. Staying in the month in - month out death spiral will only force you to quit the game out of boredom. |
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