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Dr Reinhold
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Posted - 2010.08.05 23:16:00 -
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 Originally by: Shawna Gray
You simply dont understand the Game mechanics. A PVE server of EVE would be a massive failure. CCP might be getting a lot of **** lately but they are not that stupid. Craploads of mmos have been made to lure in the "vast" numbers of carebears but they all fail. EVE dont.
At what point did I suggest a PvE server?
And I am not so sure you can claim WoW to be a failure by any credible metric. A craptastic quest grind but not a failure.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.08.05 23:50:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 05/08/2010 23:51:57
Originally by: Dr Reinhold
Listen to what you are saying. It is a expansion that will add no gaming experience to the game?
Where do you get that from?
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If there is little profit to be had in a PvE oriented Incarna then how much less will there be in a glorified chat room?
Who cares. There's profit to be had from the PvP orientation of Incarna.
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Why do you think they put it off for years?
Because the WoD team has been slacking off, tbhà
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Probably because nobody had come up with a reasonable justification for it until recently.
They had plenty of justification for it two years ago.
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If you conception of what Incarna is going to be is really that boring
Where do you get that from?
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And yet, seemingly against all odds, an enormous number of carebears force themselves to enjoy hours upon hours of uncool and useless activities.
Yes, but the stuff they do relies 100% on things that can only ever come as a product of PvP.
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How can you honestly claim that nothing useful comes from PvE? You are including Ratting and Missioning in your definition of PvE right? That is after all how most people finance their PvP.
Missioning, yes. Ratting no. Because having access to it relies on PvP, and getting those profits before someone else does is PvP. Missions are indeed the only essentially PvE activity in the game, and that's one of the main problems with them.
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You need to develop the ability to see the world from outside yourself. You may not find any value in PvE portions of the game. Perhaps you see them as no more than a necessary evil that slows you from getting to PvP.
àagain, where do you get that from? This is the third time you completely read me wrong. 
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I think you greatly overstate the possibility. "If we can't kill anyone anywhere all the time the world will end!" Probably not.
That's just it: PvP in EVE goes so far beyond just shooting people, it's not even funny. It suffuses every last activity you can engage in (except mission runningà and even then there are PvP parts to it that the carebears want expunged for no adequate reason).
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More hyperbole. The world is not going to end. Chill. Breath. Take a valium. First, high sec will still have its dangers, those dangers just might not be in the form of players. And allowing for safe industrial and marketing areas will hardly destroy the economy.
Vast overproduction. Reduced demand (vastly reduced, even, for some high-end items). Complete inability for new entities to find a place in the market (can't remove the competition). Complete inability for interdiction of logistics. Nearly all of the balancing mechanics wiped out. Oh, it would wreck things to no end all right.
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Civilizations institute law and order for the very purpose of encouraging economy and growth.
Irrelevant.
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Kate Mosh
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Posted - 2010.08.05 23:56:00 -
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His loss.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.08.06 00:00:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Kate Mosh
His loss.
♥ double tankà
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you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
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Olleybear
Minmatar
I R' Carebear
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Posted - 2010.08.06 02:02:00 -
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There are only 2 things I can agree with the OP on. Everything else makes me boggle. 
1st is missions shouldn't be so easy to scan down. 5 seconds and you have a warp in on a ship in a deadspace pocket makes it way to easy to gank mission runners. No, I'm not saying make it impossible to scan down mission runners or anything like that. Its simply out of balance atm imho.
2nd is OP is correct about hi-sec griefers not being pvp'ers and they really do seem to be afraid of low-sec.
I tried oh so hard to get a group of hi-sec griefers to follow me to low sec for some pew pew. They outnumbered be 4 to 1. They wouldn't do it. All they managed to do was smack in local even more. I now have 4 more people on my block list.
As for OP choosing to stay ignorant, well... again I boggle.
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Jhagiti Tyran
Invicta.
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Posted - 2010.08.06 02:24:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Reinhold
Originally by: Shawna Gray
What you are saying is that you dont really want to play EVE, but another spaceship game.
First there isn't another spaceship game out there with the same depth of economic simulation. Those who like building things will come here and do their best.
Try X3: Terran conflict as a spaceship game with combat and complex economy it makes EVEs basic "go kill ten NPCs and come back to me" and FedEx missions and PVE look like a bad joke and the economic and trade mechanics are almost as complicated as they are here, just without the input of real people. Players like you say they want to play EVE yet you whine about the core mechanics that drive the game like item loss and resource competition so what you really want is another game.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.08.06 02:43:00 -
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This ragequit, if real, reminds me of an ex's son who tried to "duel" me like this was WOW, and got his new BC Concorded.
Then he got into another new BC he bought within 5 minutes because he was whining in local and some people sent him ISK, and he undocked before 15 minutes was up, and got the Concord (sans lube) again!
I still remember him jumping up and down at his computer "That's it! I'm not playing this game any more!!".
By the way, would the autotarget module have anything to do with attacking the red flashy?
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Kate Mosh
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Posted - 2010.08.06 02:52:00 -
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Olleybear. They must have looked at your BC KB. Last drake you killed in low sec you used 4 BCs and a falcon.
How do you claim this type of pvp is better than a frigate killing a BC in high sec?
The mission runner wasn't looking for pvp, but I doubt the Drake pilot was looking for a 5v1 either.
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Olleybear
Minmatar
I R' Carebear
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Posted - 2010.08.06 03:23:00 -
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Originally by: Kate Mosh
Olleybear. They must have looked at your BC KB. Last drake you killed in low sec you used 4 BCs and a falcon.
The kill you are pointing out happened almost 2 months after what I was describing. The falcon was the guys own corpmate and from when the falcon pilot was in a carrier. Notice the firbolgs?
Also, pointing out a km where someone is in a gang doesn't mean that person doesn't go pvp 1 v 1. I'm going to assume you saw that I do indeed have a few 1 v 1 kills and you just chose to ignore them when you posted.
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Kate Mosh
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Posted - 2010.08.06 03:37:00 -
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1v1?
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Winged Crime
Minmatar
The Blood Money Cartel
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Posted - 2010.08.06 06:50:00 -
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Originally by: Baeran Draconis
Ok, I've had it with this game! I don't know anything about PVP because I don't WANT to know anything about it.
A short time ago I was running a mission in a high security area, minding my own business and salvaging my wrecks when I suddenly noticed a red flashing ship and reflexivly lock target and attack, only to realize its another player who it turned out had purposely scanned me down to my mission area and looted one of my wrecks which turned them "red" to me, which I knew nothing about before as, mentioned already, I know nothing about PVP (or its tactics) and don't want to know.
I fully support other people's choice to enjoy PVP (with others who want the same) but I also expect the same support for my own choice not to engage in it. I had thought that down the road I may get into it , but just not yet. And if any missions took me into LoSec space, I'd be willing but would actually equip my ship to take into account possible gankers where I might at least be able to warp out if needed.
But in a High Security mission area, I had no such equipped ship nor was anything dealing with PVP even on my mind when this coward that is too afraid to go to LoSec space to PVP but instead hunts in HiSec mission areas for unprepared and unsuspecting players who don't understand what the hells going on till its too late and their millions of isk worth of tech II gear and battle cruiser have been trapped and vaporized and looted.
I realize this game is geared towards PVP but people like that punk shouldn't be able to access others mission areas to bring their PVP attempts against others who want nothing to do with it. The very way they went about it shows they were knew the players in the areas they were hunting would not be equipped nor prepared nor willing to PVP with them knowingly.
Instead, they were too chicken-crap to go to areas others would take them on willingly or to places that at least people who entered them were aware of the chance for PVP
In any case, I've got a load of frigates, cruisers and a strip miner plus millions of isk and other tech II gear thats just going to rot because quite frankly I've had enogh with the way some of the players in this game act and the way the devs leave the game designed so they can get away with it.
I know the lack of my monthly payments won't matter to CCP but I can only assume there have been, and will continue to be, others who feel the same as I do and maybe one day enough will say the hell with it to actually make CCP take notice and actually get some changes made but, until then, in the immortal words of Eric Cartman...."Screw You Guys, I'm Going Home!"
I fail to see how being sold the dream of open online roleplay gaming for years and then being told "but you can only attack people in this area because otherwise some people might be upset" is fun or good for the future of gaming.
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My Postman
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Posted - 2010.08.06 08:22:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Adida
Moved from general discussion
This is a very "hidden" way of censorship. OOPE? Well done Adida!
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CyberGh0st
Minmatar
Ara Veritas
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Posted - 2010.08.08 23:17:00 -
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Edited by: CyberGh0st on 08/08/2010 23:21:08
Originally by: Kate Mosh
His loss.
LOL he is for real? I seriously thought we were getting trolled :p
So if you don't want to know anything about PvP, why didn't you just warp out?
If you start shooting someone it is your own fault.
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Joe Phoenix
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Posted - 2010.08.09 02:10:00 -
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Originally by: Olleybear
There are only 2 things I can agree with the OP on. Everything else makes me boggle.
1st is missions shouldn't be so easy to scan down. 5 seconds and you have a warp in on a ship in a deadspace pocket makes it way to easy to gank mission runners. No, I'm not saying make it impossible to scan down mission runners or anything like that. Its simply out of balance atm imho.
2nd is OP is correct about hi-sec griefers not being pvp'ers and they really do seem to be afraid of low-sec.
I tried oh so hard to get a group of hi-sec griefers to follow me to low sec for some pew pew. They outnumbered be 4 to 1. They wouldn't do it. All they managed to do was smack in local even more. I now have 4 more people on my block list.
As for OP choosing to stay ignorant, well... again I boggle.
So you're saying that he has to go to low-sec to avoid griefers? Yes that is true, griefers are cowards.. but i don't think its a great idea.
Eve will change soon enough, that or i think we will see alot more threads like this one.
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Khalia Nestune
Honorless Internet Jerks
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Posted - 2010.08.09 07:13:00 -
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I fully support other people's choice to enjoy PVP (with others who want the same)
You are in the wrong game.
As another player said, undocking is consent to be involved in PvP.
On a different note, you died because you didn't understand game mechanics That's too bad, but it's your problem.
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