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Second Class	Posted - 2010.08.05 13:11:00 - [1] So your pondering through 0.0 with some friends and you get to thinking your client may have crashed as you have never seen space so quiet sound familiar?. This is the experience a small band of pilots enjoyed when roaming through the region "TENAL" which is currently sov held by "RAZOR". Well to put it bluntly we roamed 45 systems encountered 5 people in total 4 of which had the style of ratting bots and one who thought plastering huge text that said RAZOR ect in local would scare us away at no point was any opposition met, well appart from the guy with big spammy words who incidently hid whilst spamming them. So if you have a corp/alliance that needs/wants 0.0 space I would highly recommend you check this area of space out as the only reason I see them keeping that space at the moment is by boooooring any roamers who go there to death. You probably dont even have to take sov you could just as easily hide in many many of there unused systems. If you like POS bashing we encountered many on our journey that were unfueled begging to be shot. The rats have nice juicy bounties also, we saw many 1.5 mill ones and even shot a few to pass the booordom and as a added bonus the space background is green Here is the dotlan link for the region http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Tenal So if your a budding new member/corp/alliance with high goals in mind dont entertain all the tosh about how all of 0.0 is owned by x,y,z its just boogy man stories to keep you out
Lady Ayeipsia	Posted - 2010.08.05 13:30:00 - [2] Honestly, just look at the star map, select the pilots active in the last 30 minutes, and you'll see a lot of very, very empty parts of nul sec. I've stumbled upon a few very empty regions while probing in hi sec. I'll find a wormhole to nul, and well... most of the time it's to some back water nul sec spot. One lead down to an area in IT's backyard, which was empty. Another lead to a strange, empty system in what must have been Factional NPC space. It had a strange site with two Pirate agents. Other spots were just as empty. It seems really, all you need for a good ratting roam, is a safe way into nul, and a spot in nul that you know is not well used.
Fat Uncle	Posted - 2010.08.05 13:33:00 - [3] A slightly enterprising corp would be better of in WH space. Excellent profits, and much less chance of bored cap fleets paying a visit and reducing your poses to rubble.
Raid'En	Posted - 2010.08.05 16:16:00 - [4] Edited by: Raid''En on 05/08/2010 16:22:34 Originally by: Lady Ayeipsia I'll find a wormhole to nul, and well... most of the time it's to some back water nul sec spot. same here it's like this i saw some system who have no sov since months... also saw some little alliance who take a system on a corner, hoping noone will want to bother taking it back Originally by: Fat Uncle A slightly enterprising corp would be better of in WH space. Excellent profits, and much less chance of bored cap fleets paying a visit and reducing your poses to rubble. there are lots of case of corps who first live on WH before moving to 0.0 after some time, it was like a training.
Mia April	Posted - 2010.08.05 16:42:00 - [5] It is all true. Come to 0.0. It is safe here!
Thorian Baalnorn	Posted - 2010.08.06 07:56:00 - [6] Edited by: Thorian Baalnorn on 06/08/2010 08:05:22 LOL. To someone who doesnt spend a lot of time living in 0.0, all the hype about 0.0 seems to be just scare tactics. Some things you should know about 0.0: 1)Everyone uses intel channels. If one person sees you chances are most of the people in that region know you are there.If more people see you they probably know what your flying and where you are at most times. 2) 0.0 peeps dont jump out and start fighting everytime someone goes on a roam. Sometimes they will put together a pvp gang to fight, most times they will safe up. this is assuming you are roaming as a fleet and not solo. the smaller the gang the more likely you are to encounter a fight. Simply put in most cases we cant be bothered to taking out every roaming gang looking for some pvp. But when you literally spend a few hours to 1/2 a day in a fleet for pvp, You really dont care much about a 15 man gang running around trying to catch strays who were not watching intel. 3)If you look at dotlan maps you will notice many unclaimed systems. if you look at an influence map you will notice alliances hold sov over these systems. They are not actively claimed because of operating cost. Simply put they are not actively used. Try to claim one and the sov alliance will remove it. 4)The small alliances that own systems are almost always pets. Unless the region is really fractured and not controlled by any alliance with enough muscle to exert control over the whole region. Pets rent the systems. and help defend the region. in return the pets have the backing of the larger alliance to defend them. Dont think null is safe because you go on a roam and dont really find anything to kill. You simply are not a threat to the ones who hold sov. and/or you are roaming them during their offpeak times so they just safe up until you get bored. Regardless if you roam a few systems with active stragglers, they have intel and probably use JBs to move around very quickly and safely. they can easily keep tabs on you and you may get a nasty surprise on occassion when they do decide to fleet up. the results will probably not be good on your side( think blob). To really understand it you have to live in a 0.0 alliance for a while. But dont think you come into our yard and we dont look out our windows. Sometimes we might be loading the shotgun and others we might just blow it off and keep watching tv. Afterthought: your best bet for a fight in 0.0 on a roam is to find a station system with alot (750 plus) of jumps in 24 hours and camp it during the on peak time. If you have hard time finding people in 0.0 you are either: A) roaming the region at the wrong time or B) roaming the wrong systems in that region.
Dr Sheepbringer Gallente	Posted - 2010.08.06 08:01:00 - [7] Well it's always been like that. 0.0 is actually quite safe (well certain pathways are doomed) because you always know that people are out to get you (if there are any). On busy places you have reds, neutrals, blues and blue backstabbers etc. You never know who will be the real threat. I've also had many roams with perhaps 1-2 players in the systems. Also don't forget intel. Many players jump systems when they get intel on a roam coming their way. So those areas CAN be empty when you go there, but if you stay there it might become crowded...fast. Stop whining.
Gladys Pank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.08.06 12:01:00 - [8] Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn Edited by: Thorian Baalnorn on 06/08/2010 08:05:22 LOL. To someone who doesnt spend a lot of time living in 0.0, all the hype about 0.0 seems to be just scare tactics. If you need at least one years worth of pvp skill points just to pvp, how many years should people wait to go to 0.0? Signature locked for inappropriate image. Zymurgist
Lexxxii	Posted - 2010.08.06 13:14:00 - [9] Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn Edited by: Thorian Baalnorn on 06/08/2010 08:05:22 LOL. To someone who doesnt spend a lot of time living in 0.0, all the hype about 0.0 seems to be just scare tactics. Some things you should know about 0.0: 1)Everyone uses intel channels. If one person sees you chances are most of the people in that region know you are there.If more people see you they probably know what your flying and where you are at most times. 2) 0.0 peeps dont jump out and start fighting everytime someone goes on a roam. Sometimes they will put together a pvp gang to fight, most times they will safe up. this is assuming you are roaming as a fleet and not solo. the smaller the gang the more likely you are to encounter a fight. Simply put in most cases we cant be bothered to taking out every roaming gang looking for some pvp. But when you literally spend a few hours to 1/2 a day in a fleet for pvp, You really dont care much about a 15 man gang running around trying to catch strays who were not watching intel. 3)If you look at dotlan maps you will notice many unclaimed systems. if you look at an influence map you will notice alliances hold sov over these systems. They are not actively claimed because of operating cost. Simply put they are not actively used. Try to claim one and the sov alliance will remove it. 4)The small alliances that own systems are almost always pets. Unless the region is really fractured and not controlled by any alliance with enough muscle to exert control over the whole region. Pets rent the systems. and help defend the region. in return the pets have the backing of the larger alliance to defend them. Dont think null is safe because you go on a roam and dont really find anything to kill. You simply are not a threat to the ones who hold sov. and/or you are roaming them during their offpeak times so they just safe up until you get bored. Regardless if you roam a few systems with active stragglers, they have intel and probably use JBs to move around very quickly and safely. they can easily keep tabs on you and you may get a nasty surprise on occassion when they do decide to fleet up. the results will probably not be good on your side( think blob). To really understand it you have to live in a 0.0 alliance for a while. But dont think you come into our yard and we dont look out our windows. Sometimes we might be loading the shotgun and others we might just blow it off and keep watching tv. Afterthought: your best bet for a fight in 0.0 on a roam is to find a station system with alot (750 plus) of jumps in 24 hours and camp it during the on peak time. If you have hard time finding people in 0.0 you are either: A) roaming the region at the wrong time or B) roaming the wrong systems in that region. This
Thorian Baalnorn	Posted - 2010.08.06 15:42:00 - [10] Originally by: Gladys Pank Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn Edited by: Thorian Baalnorn on 06/08/2010 08:05:22 LOL. To someone who doesnt spend a lot of time living in 0.0, all the hype about 0.0 seems to be just scare tactics. If you need at least one years worth of pvp skill points just to pvp, how many years should people wait to go to 0.0? I dunno maybe we should send them into 0.0 in a faction fitted rifter and 3 days old like you would have them do?You give terrible advice to noobs. I dont have anything against noobs pvping just not pvping solo in t1 frigs running around aimlessly like you were to suggesting. Under someones wing is a different story. Your giving (bad) advice to noobs telling them to go blow up dozens of rifters solo and try to learn something when they probably dont even have the skills to fit all the mods they need to pvp on their ship. Brilliant plan. Furthermore, your pathetic pettiness at carrying a difference of opinion into a completely unrelated thread really shows your insecurity that you are actually wrong. On top of this when you quit playing in the kiddie pool, Lady Spank, killing mining barges and t1 frigs/cruisers and actually go below .5 and kill stuff you let me know you are ready to play with the big boys. Otherwise QFT sit in high sec and station camp carebears like normal and pretend you are a pvper ok? Good girl.
Gladys Pank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.08.06 15:46:00 - [11] Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn blabber Nice to see your counter argument is based on reality bro. Signature locked for inappropriate image. Zymurgist
Thorian Baalnorn	Posted - 2010.08.06 16:06:00 - [12] Edited by: Thorian Baalnorn on 06/08/2010 16:06:07 Originally by: Gladys Pank Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn blabber Nice to see your counter argument is based on reality bro. I am not arguing with you, i am laughing at you and at the same time i really feel a tad bit sorry for you. I have seen your killboard, I have seen your posts. You want to be important, but your not. You want to be a good pver, but your not. Perhaps you should practice more and talk less?
Gladys Pank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.08.06 16:24:00 - [13] Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn Edited by: Thorian Baalnorn on 06/08/2010 16:06:07 Originally by: Gladys Pank Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn blabber Nice to see your counter argument is based on reality bro. I am not arguing with you, i am laughing at you and at the same time i really feel a tad bit sorry for you. I have seen your killboard, I have seen your posts. You want to be important, but your not. You want to be a good pver, but your not. Perhaps you should practice more and talk less? Sorry, I'm still training my 1 years combat skillpoints. Signature locked for inappropriate image. Zymurgist
Dub Step Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2010.08.06 16:33:00 - [14] Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn ...I have seen your killboard... Dude, Spank may be a loudmouth but if you are going to bring killboards into the argument you should at least make sure your stats are at least even slightly comparable before smacking. You have... Lifetime kills74Lifetime losses43 and mostly fleet stuff where you don't need a brain to follow FC's orders Spank has... Lifetime kills307Lifetime losses258 and nearly all solo. And I don't get your claim that these are mostly high sec ganks. I see exactly one high sec exhumer kill. WTF? Even if you want to bring K/D ratio's into this you should be doing WAY WAY better operating in such large numbers. In reality you are stupid. I too am still training my one years combat skillpoints but read the board with much interest.
X Gallentius Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2010.08.06 16:40:00 - [15] Bottom line is that the game is set up for old characters to claim and hold formal sovereignty. The best younger players can do (without joining established alliances) is to ignore formal sovereignty. Go out there, rat and farm plexes to your heart's content, get some pvp roams in. Learn the lay of the land. Have fun.
Thorian Baalnorn	Posted - 2010.08.06 23:10:00 - [16] Edited by: Thorian Baalnorn on 06/08/2010 23:10:38 Originally by: Dub Step Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn ...I have seen your killboard... Dude, Spank may be a loudmouth but if you are going to bring killboards into the argument you should at least make sure your stats are at least even slightly comparable before smacking. You have... Lifetime kills74Lifetime losses43 and mostly fleet stuff where you don't need a brain to follow FC's orders Spank has... Lifetime kills307Lifetime losses258 and nearly all solo. And I don't get your claim that these are mostly high sec ganks. I see exactly one high sec exhumer kill. WTF? Even if you want to bring K/D ratio's into this you should be doing WAY WAY better operating in such large numbers. In reality you are stupid. I too am still training my one years combat skillpoints but read the board with much interest. 1) Lady Rant brought the killboards list up not I. 2) you fail at reading. Since i have only been in my alliance for a couple of weeks. Before that i ran my own corp and i kept a 6.5:1 kill ratio while in that corp.Most of my losses are indeed noob deaths. Not to mention at 5-6 months old i was in 0.0 fighting Stain which was actually more Stain ratting me then fighting. My friend gave me the same advice i gave. I didnt listen i died often learned that i needed better skills and better ships, something i didnt need to die to learn. 3) Almost all of my kills are in 0.0 or lowsec. almost all have less than 5 people on the mail. Most have 1-2 people in the mail as i usually only fly with a wingman unless i am doing a CTA. 4) Most of Spanks kills are t1 frigs and cruisers and my bad it was her corp that had the 90% mining barge kills in high sec.Spank wants to smack talk me she better come up with a more impressive killboard and better logic. So far i am seeing all mouth. 5) i didnt start my little puppy on her emoraging stalking. We gave our opinions on a topic she didnt like mine and like a 5 year old started flaming me. Now she follows me around like a little kid making comments on every post i make on here. It could probably be considered harassment but i think its kind of cute and extremely funny. Its like having a little puppy. Now i visit the boards just cause her comments entertain me. I am just wondering if she is going to hi- jack every single thread i post in to rant at me
Irae Ragwan	Posted - 2010.08.09 02:34:00 - [17] It's easy pickings til you finally show up in enough intel channels to get hot dropped.
Smabs	Posted - 2010.08.09 03:56:00 - [18] I really wouldn't bring killboards into it Thorian - looking at the fits and engagements it's pretty clear that Lady Spank has a much better knowledge of the game. Plus most of them are solo against mostly pvp fit targets, which is a very difficult way to pvp. The problem with recruiting people with a year worth of SP and no combat experience is that they can often fly a lot of stuff, but end up zooming around in 3 PDU drakes and inties made exclusively of overdrives and sensor boosters.
Thorian Baalnorn	Posted - 2010.08.09 04:31:00 - [19] Originally by: Smabs I really wouldn't bring killboards into it Thorian - looking at the fits and engagements it's pretty clear that Lady Spank has a much better knowledge of the game. Plus most of them are solo against mostly pvp fit targets, which is a very difficult way to pvp. The problem with recruiting people with a year worth of SP and no combat experience is that they can often fly a lot of stuff, but end up zooming around in 3 PDU drakes and inties made exclusively of overdrives and sensor boosters. ROLF
Smabs	Posted - 2010.08.09 05:49:00 - [20] Also rolf
Kanatta Jing	Posted - 2010.08.09 07:54:00 - [21] Originally by: Gladys Pank Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn Edited by: Thorian Baalnorn on 06/08/2010 08:05:22 LOL. To someone who doesnt spend a lot of time living in 0.0, all the hype about 0.0 seems to be just scare tactics. If you need at least one years worth of pvp skill points just to pvp, how many years should people wait to go to 0.0? 3 months is plenty old enough to suck and die horribly on the field of battle.
Khors Amtek Inc	Posted - 2010.08.09 08:13:00 - [22] Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn Edited by: Thorian Baalnorn on 06/08/2010 08:05:22 LOL. To someone who doesnt spend a lot of time living in 0.0, all the hype about 0.0 seems to be just scare tactics. Some things you should know about 0.0: 1)Everyone uses intel channels. If one person sees you chances are most of the people in that region know you are there.If more people see you they probably know what your flying and where you are at most times. 2) 0.0 peeps dont jump out and start fighting everytime someone goes on a roam. Sometimes they will put together a pvp gang to fight, most times they will safe up. this is assuming you are roaming as a fleet and not solo. the smaller the gang the more likely you are to encounter a fight. Simply put in most cases we cant be bothered to taking out every roaming gang looking for some pvp. But when you literally spend a few hours to 1/2 a day in a fleet for pvp, You really dont care much about a 15 man gang running around trying to catch strays who were not watching intel. 3)If you look at dotlan maps you will notice many unclaimed systems. if you look at an influence map you will notice alliances hold sov over these systems. They are not actively claimed because of operating cost. Simply put they are not actively used. Try to claim one and the sov alliance will remove it. 4)The small alliances that own systems are almost always pets. Unless the region is really fractured and not controlled by any alliance with enough muscle to exert control over the whole region. Pets rent the systems. and help defend the region. in return the pets have the backing of the larger alliance to defend them. Dont think null is safe because you go on a roam and dont really find anything to kill. You simply are not a threat to the ones who hold sov. and/or you are roaming them during their offpeak times so they just safe up until you get bored. Regardless if you roam a few systems with active stragglers, they have intel and probably use JBs to move around very quickly and safely. they can easily keep tabs on you and you may get a nasty surprise on occassion when they do decide to fleet up. the results will probably not be good on your side( think blob). To really understand it you have to live in a 0.0 alliance for a while. But dont think you come into our yard and we dont look out our windows. Sometimes we might be loading the shotgun and others we might just blow it off and keep watching tv. Afterthought: your best bet for a fight in 0.0 on a roam is to find a station system with alot (750 plus) of jumps in 24 hours and camp it during the on peak time. If you have hard time finding people in 0.0 you are either: A) roaming the region at the wrong time or B) roaming the wrong systems in that region. TL;DR: Stay out of 0.0 for at least a year, or Thorians AB drake will come and kill you.
Thorian Baalnorn	Posted - 2010.08.09 14:03:00 - [23] Originally by: Khors Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn Stuff TL;DR: Stay out of 0.0 for at least a year, or Thorians AB drake will come and kill you. Aww look another fanboi or is this lady spank in disguise? Some people on here are seriously pathetic. Go make some friends son.
OneTimeAt BannedSpank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.08.09 23:36:00 - [24] Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn Originally by: Khors Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn Stuff TL;DR: Stay out of 0.0 for at least a year, or Thorians AB drake will come and kill you. Aww look another fanboi or is this lady spank in disguise? Some people on here are seriously pathetic. Go make some friends son. Lol. Please teach me about making friends. You are doing such a good job in this thread. ROLF indeed. ~ One million alts cant be wrong.
Dr Sheepbringer Gallente	Posted - 2010.08.10 08:59:00 - [25] At least for me, the best learning curve was then I moved from high sec to 0.0. You learned a lot Eve while doing so. If you get good instructions and learn to respect those instruction you will do fine. Of course I've lost stuff on roams (drunken roams do that), but I've only lost two ships (2x bc's) while ratting mostly due to my own stupidity. Of course it's ISK, but far from "oh noes, i will quit eve". I would advice young players to venture into 0.0 with a corporations that know their stuff. It's much cheaper to loose T1 ships while learning than to loose bigger ships due to being a 0.0 amateur. You can ALWAYS go back to high-sec (be it by getting podded or something) and continue your missions grinding (clones help). I'm not saying one should fit the first rifter and head out with a failfit to seek pvp. I'm saying you should live in 0.0 for a while. Pvp comes to you if you are stupid enough (and sometimes it just comes no matter what...just as in high-sec). Learning the maps and intel is crucial for lucrative survival in 0.0. Of course now you need a cloak unless you there is a station where you can run to (not as safe as hiding into a safespot with a cloak, but works). Just remember to hide when hunters or roams approach (the only one laughing at your attempt to kill a roam with a rifter is the enemy). Stop whining.
Sjugar	Posted - 2010.08.10 13:10:00 - [26] When I was like 2 months old, doing missions in my drake, I got convoed if I wanted to join a 0.0 corp. I did and it's been a better game since. Lost quite a few drakes in the process but the increase in income makes a drake a throwaway ship. Really nice to be able to enjoy roams without being the one primaried. Getting more experience I'm getting more and more in different ships but my now much stronger drake then before still often joins the party. Don't diss the drake!
Drendel	Posted - 2010.08.10 18:58:00 - [27] Was in POS deep in null IT space for about 2 months with almost no issues. Just don't drop sov and most heavy hitters won't notice you. Don't look for trouble and keep your jumps into and out of the system with your pos low. You have to remeber your the interloper not them. Confronting them only brings more unwanted attention
Zanaraxtarus	Posted - 2010.08.13 11:57:00 - [28] Originally by: Thorian Baalnorn ....stuff... your not. You want to be a good pver, but your ....more suff.. It's "you're"... As in the contracted form of "you" and "are"... Just sayin' --Zan-- Ban Mr. Richardson! [I was respectful there, I called him "Mr" and deleted the bad word] (quantity/quality studies do NOT apply to EVE. WoW, YES. EVE, NO!)
Sabriel Lafayette Maleficarum Corp	Posted - 2010.08.13 13:25:00 - [29] Oh hai! Good news Thorian, I may have found him for you: Rolf I also am a huge fan of 'Tie me kangaroo down sport'....
Hardcore BandBattler	Posted - 2010.08.14 16:25:00 - [30] You really don't need a year of SP to pvp. Seriously.... All you need is a rifter, a MWD, webber, scram, some autocannons, plates/nanofibers, and a wingman or two. Fly cheap, Fly reckless, and die all the time. If you're too big of a ***** to hang your nuts on the line and possibly get blown up and lose your stuff, please go play some battlegrounds with your Holy Paladin and stop discouraging people from playing this game how its meant to play. Every gang needs a tackler, and any week old noob can do that. So please, STFU.

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