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Ava Starfire
Minmatar Nordanverdr Modr
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Posted - 2010.08.07 12:41:00 -
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Hey C&P.
So, after a slow start to my losec endeavors (college and work seem to interfere with EVE time) I have been roaming around the last couple of nights, looking for pews, looking to get something worthwhile up on my KB, looking for...well, targets.
Noticing a disturbing trend. Everyone warps away the second you land in their belt; I have managed to actually get in one fight the last 2 days, and that was with a dessie (who also packed ECM, sigh) and I had to bounce. Why do people come to losec in a frigate...and then run from another frigate? How do you find fights, solo pvpers? Do you attack people in belts/FW complexes like Im trying to do, or do you get most of your fights by asking for 1v1s? Or do you go hang around in a belt and see who pops in? Space is fun! |
Kavu
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.08.07 12:43:00 -
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Edited by: Kavu on 07/08/2010 12:43:00 In Communist Eve, target find you
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Razzor Death
Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.08.07 12:44:00 -
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train a Recon, find a Recon buddy and have lots of fun.
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Nemphtis
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Posted - 2010.08.07 12:52:00 -
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I'm new to the game and currently a solo pirate in low security space. I warp to belt and fight ships that will **** me. It sounds stupid, but at least my opponents don't **** their pants and warp away when they're sitting in a Cruiser, watching a little Frigate fly into their **** range. Maybe we'll bump into each other in low sec, if you look edible, I might just engage instead of warping my ass out like the rest. :D
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Lederstrumpf
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Posted - 2010.08.07 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: Ava Starfire Why do people come to losec in a frigate...and then run from another frigate?
Maybe they just love to see you cry when you're being left all alone again? >;-)
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Mischa Barton
Caldari Ensi Nine
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Posted - 2010.08.07 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: Lederstrumpf
Originally by: Ava Starfire Why do people come to losec in a frigate...and then run from another frigate?
Maybe they just love to see you cry when you're being left all alone again? >;-)
Yeah. Tears produced by running away from a frigate. Look harder if that's sweet for you. Never give up... and never surrender. |
Man Barthelme
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2010.08.07 15:13:00 -
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Hevrice
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Mitsune Konno
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Posted - 2010.08.07 16:03:00 -
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Finding the stupid is pretty simple. Some of the brighter ones are a little tougher, but not that much.
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Apocrit Vespulus
Moderate Inconvenience
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Posted - 2010.08.11 22:32:00 -
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It's been my personal experience that most frigates who are sitting at a belt rather than at their own safespot scanning belts for other targets are not pvpers but in fact new characters that for whatever reason are ratting in lowsec (then again I hang out around a lowsec-highsec border). As such it wouldn't be hard to think that most would get spooked by seeing a red -5.2sec character suddenly appear on their overview.
And even if the frigates you're warping in on are fitted for pvp, inexperienced pilots may be hesitant to engage another pilot who they may view as a career pvper who probably has better equipment than they do.
I know when I first started out I hesitated to fight people whose sec status branded them as outlaws because I figured that they all had t2 equipment/better skills/were better pilots/had other pirate friends.
Of course I grew out of that but it might give some insight into why other frigates run off the moment they see you.
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Jovialmadness
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Posted - 2010.08.11 23:05:00 -
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Got some bad news for you bro. 4 years ago i got fights in low sec. Now you gotta go look for small gangs and let them outnumber you and let ratters in belts be a secondary prize.
There arent many true solo pvp'rs left anymore and pirates rarely fit this bill but some do.
Mainly because there arent many decent pirates left (sigh). If i ever got smoked by an epic pirate id probably hook him up with extra isk just for practicing his craft with style. |
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Elyse Raynor
Gallente Raynor's Raiders
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Posted - 2010.08.12 10:53:00 -
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As another small outfit of target-seekers, we had fun getting into a 3 vs 2 frig fight before they called a cane to break up the fight. Then roaming around we suicided into a wolf, was fun.
Some of the times I noticed as we hopped around a system looking for fun we kept passing/missing people looking for us, I guess sometimes if you wait long enough they find you...
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Swalesey
Prosperity Through Violence
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Posted - 2010.08.12 11:48:00 -
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As said by a few people, sometimes you just need to make sure they think they're going to win. also get to be snazzy with the directional scanner and reading who's in your system quickly. another option, though requiring another pilot or an alt, is sending covy ops through first and getting you warp in points, sometimes that's the only sure fire way to catch people. or train a recon and wtf surprize them :P
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Ava Starfire
Minmatar Nordanverdr Modr
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Posted - 2010.08.12 12:18:00 -
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Thanks for the replies, folks, very much. Ive made some progress, mostly by moving to a new area and getting better at quickly pinpointing someone with D-scan; I land way outside scram range a lot, and ofc they warp before I can get them scrammed, but it is progress.
I may try a recon someday, but for now, I am way too inexperienced to risk 100m ships. Ill keep bouncing around in a rifter. Great bit of fun!
I never gave much thought to other player's reactions to a red suddenly appearing in their belt. When one warps to a belt im in, my reaction is always, "oh, nice!" I suppose not everyone wants to fight. Space is fun! |
Garnama
Gallente BLACK LABEL INC
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Posted - 2010.08.12 12:44:00 -
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Originally by: Ava Starfire I may try a recon someday, but for now, I am way too inexperienced to risk 100m ships. Ill keep bouncing around in a rifter. Great bit of fun!
Come to Mallugier, preferably in something cruisersized or bigger - dont want to waste too much secstanding per killboardpoint :)
Originally by: Ava Starfire I never gave much thought to other player's reactions to a red suddenly appearing in their belt. When one warps to a belt im in, my reaction is always, "oh, nice!" I suppose not everyone wants to fight.
Well only ratting&mining highsec'ers stay in belts for more that a minute in low/nosec. The rest of us (pirates, weekendpirates and lowbears) are on the move, always..
/Garn
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Artemis Rose
Clandestine Vector
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Posted - 2010.08.12 13:02:00 -
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Smack talk endlessly and hope somebody gets so bent out of shape that they might actually attack you.
*** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats |
Ralnik
Mutineers
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Posted - 2010.08.12 14:46:00 -
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Edited by: Ralnik on 12/08/2010 14:47:08
Originally by: Ava Starfire Thanks for the replies, folks, very much. Ive made some progress, mostly by moving to a new area and getting better at quickly pinpointing someone with D-scan; I land way outside scram range a lot, and ofc they warp before I can get them scrammed, but it is progress.
I may try a recon someday, but for now, I am way too inexperienced to risk 100m ships. Ill keep bouncing around in a rifter. Great bit of fun!
I never gave much thought to other player's reactions to a red suddenly appearing in their belt. When one warps to a belt im in, my reaction is always, "oh, nice!" I suppose not everyone wants to fight.
Recons aren't "that" great.. Yea they can warp cloaked but you really tend to limit your targets with them and most don't have a lot of DPS. They are good as a "all in 1" if you don't have a alt that can scout/probe in a covt ops but in most cases you are better off in a BC if you intend to bump up your ship class, as you have a much wider range of targets.
Unfortunately a lot of people are not looking for a fight with out a clear advantage. Doesn't matter if you are in frig vs frig or BC vs BC, most people in EVE will run if given the chance. It's something you get used to unfortunately and it will never end. The best are the ones that smack you after they run off.
You have to make your self look like the target and that typically means being willing to fight small gangs at a dis-advantage, because most people in EVE will not fight unless they have others there holding their hand.
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whiteshark12
The Black Rabbits Academy The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2010.08.12 23:07:00 -
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Amamake system, top belt. fun times
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Misanth
Reaper Industries Asset Liberation Front.
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Posted - 2010.08.12 23:12:00 -
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Go -10 and sit wait on a gate. - I'd tell you why but then I'll have to kill you. And to kill you I'd have to log in. And to log in I'd have to stop browsing these forums. Both you and me knows that'll never happen. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.08.13 02:53:00 -
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Originally by: Ava Starfire Hey C&P.
So, after a slow start to my losec endeavors (college and work seem to interfere with EVE time) I have been roaming around the last couple of nights, looking for pews, looking to get something worthwhile up on my KB, looking for...well, targets.
Noticing a disturbing trend. Everyone warps away the second you land in their belt; I have managed to actually get in one fight the last 2 days, and that was with a dessie (who also packed ECM, sigh) and I had to bounce. Why do people come to losec in a frigate...and then run from another frigate? How do you find fights, solo pvpers? Do you attack people in belts/FW complexes like Im trying to do, or do you get most of your fights by asking for 1v1s? Or do you go hang around in a belt and see who pops in?
I'm sorry. Perhaps we can work out some agreement where you pay me 100M to sit there and let you kill me.
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Miliken
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Posted - 2010.08.13 03:15:00 -
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Try wormhole space. It takes quite a bit of patience but you can find some good fights and good ganks. The absence of Local makes it a wonderful playground.
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weedmasta
Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.08.13 07:44:00 -
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Originally by: Man Barthelme Hevrice
Naughty naughty ___________________________________
Shuuuun, shuuuun the smacktalkers.
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flakeys
DRAMA Inc
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Posted - 2010.08.13 11:55:00 -
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Originally by: Jovialmadness Got some bad news for you bro. 4 years ago i got fights in low sec. Now you gotta go look for small gangs and let them outnumber you and let ratters in belts be a secondary prize.
There arent many true solo pvp'rs left anymore and pirates rarely fit this bill but some do.
Mainly because there arent many decent pirates left (sigh). If i ever got smoked by an epic pirate id probably hook him up with extra isk just for practicing his craft with style.
Exactly how i see it.
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Juliet McBrennan
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2010.08.13 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: Apocrit Vespulus It's been my personal experience that most frigates who are sitting at a belt rather than at their own safespot scanning belts for other targets are not pvpers but in fact new characters that for whatever reason are ratting in lowsec (then again I hang out around a lowsec-highsec border). As such it wouldn't be hard to think that most would get spooked by seeing a red -5.2sec character suddenly appear on their overview.
And even if the frigates you're warping in on are fitted for pvp, inexperienced pilots may be hesitant to engage another pilot who they may view as a career pvper who probably has better equipment than they do.
I know when I first started out I hesitated to fight people whose sec status branded them as outlaws because I figured that they all had t2 equipment/better skills/were better pilots/had other pirate friends.
Of course I grew out of that but it might give some insight into why other frigates run off the moment they see you.
This
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Barakkus
Caelestis Iudicium
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Posted - 2010.08.13 21:27:00 -
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Where you hanging out? I'll come shoot you and pad your KB :P
I rarely find anything that will engage me except for roaming fleets when I go roaming.
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
rofl
edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
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Warezmy Carr
Extortion Unlimited
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Posted - 2010.08.15 18:52:00 -
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Seems you found some idiot willing to get their butt kicked by you in frigate duels.
...oh right, that was me.
Had loads of fun, despite getting two of my frigates turned into expanding clouds of space dust. Much more useful trying out new fits and tactics in 1v1 situations too. Looking forward to having the opportunity to even the score, and who knows ... maybe we could even fleet up and go find someone else to kill once in a while.
Hey Nemphtis -- come to Metropolis low-sec and find me. I'm up for frigate duels and I'll give you a run for your money, as long as you don't bring your new corpies to the party. ---------- My typical ship fit:
Highs: teeth Mediums: claws Lows: nads
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Don Pellegrino
Helljumpers
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Posted - 2010.08.20 19:37:00 -
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Fit and fly your ship to fight more than one target at a time because they're gonna blob you or run, anyways. Over 50% of my solo kills are against more than 5 targets at a time, these days, but it's actually a lot more interesting that way.
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Scoundrelus
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2010.08.22 18:46:00 -
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Honestly Ava here are the facts:
1. Not enough incentive for additional targets to enter low sec. You can make billions just sitting in Jita.
2. Low sec has a disturbing cycle. Less and less people want to solo PvP so they gang up, so others gang up larger, and eventually the gang becomes a blob and suddenly solo PvPers are scarcer and scarcer.
3. CCP carebear handouts have made our lives more difficult (ie. warp to 0, seeing outlaws in local chat, negative standing shows up in local chat)
At the end of the day I've resorted to training a covert ops pilot that is on a separate corp and has a positive sec status. I use him to scout out a system first then when prey is found I jump in my main. So to answer your question most fights these days are found by creating strike points at gates and jumping to them when someone jumps through, then you kill them. I hate doing it but in these days of Internet Spaceship Cowardice (ISC) it seems to be one of the more successful way of farming the bears.
People can agree or disagree with me if they want but these are my observations and my eyes don't lie.
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Goose99
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Posted - 2010.08.22 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: Scoundrelus Honestly Ava here are the facts:
1. Not enough incentive for additional targets to enter low sec. You can make billions just sitting in Jita.
2. Low sec has a disturbing cycle. Less and less people want to solo PvP so they gang up, so others gang up larger, and eventually the gang becomes a blob and suddenly solo PvPers are scarcer and scarcer.
3. CCP carebear handouts have made our lives more difficult (ie. warp to 0, seeing outlaws in local chat, negative standing shows up in local chat)
At the end of the day I've resorted to training a covert ops pilot that is on a separate corp and has a positive sec status. I use him to scout out a system first then when prey is found I jump in my main. So to answer your question most fights these days are found by creating strike points at gates and jumping to them when someone jumps through, then you kill them. I hate doing it but in these days of Internet Spaceship Cowardice (ISC) it seems to be one of the more successful way of farming the bears.
People can agree or disagree with me if they want but these are my observations and my eyes don't lie.
#3 is wrong. Without those things carebears would be even more inclined to stay out of lowsec completely. Those things make it easier for carebears to notice and hole up after they're already in lowsec. Lack of those things induce them to never venture into lowsec at all.
Before mission scanning, carebears were in lowsec, then it got implemented, and they all left. Before the fail load balancing mechanism made lowsec missioners travel through twice the number of gatecamps from agent location, there were still some carebears left in low. Afterwards, they left.
Carebears aren't rats. Popping them is fun for you and not for them. The only way to get them back to lowsec again is reverse the changes that increased risks and drove them away in the first place.
Back in the days when there were plenty of carebears in low, and it's harder to kill them, a skilled and smart pirate can rack in many kills, stupid ones get nothing. Now that they made it so that any stupid noob with no skills can get carebear kills, there's none to be had by anyone.
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Razzor Death
Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.08.22 20:19:00 -
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To all Pirates and Yarr bears..
Providence 0.0 is the place to be, now CVA has been squatted and all the drama with UK is over all Alliances that live in the region have reset standings and gone about there business.
Why come to Provi ?
It is filled with Alliances, some Indy based, some PvP and some just TERRIBLE. The potential for catching ratters is extremely high. The chance of being blobbed is very low, of course after a certain amount of harrasment in one single area a Alliance will rally to counter you, but you should have well moved on by that point.
As many experienced pirates will know when CVA owned the hole of 0.0 Providence they would drop motherships on interceptors just for passing through. Now that it is owned by many different Alliances that shoot each other the risk of that is obviously long gone. The only time you will find HUGE blobs about the place is on a Saturday night when we like to go and **** wave at each other.
Why am I telling you this when I live there ? Simple - PvP is Fun. And ANTRS have been having great fun roaming the area.
A must visit place for any solo pirate looking for ratters, Just remember to keep burning and don't harass one single Alliance to long if you don't want to be blobbed.
Happy hunting.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.08.22 21:33:00 -
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I think Aaron is also in another project (see general forums) about a "Hub 0" in NPC region. The thread implies the Stain region.
Note to carebears, explorers, and practitioners of 4th Generation Warfare:
You don't have to use low sec to get to 0.0. Wormholes work better. No gank pipelines, no blob, no bubbles, no dishpan hands, no pains in the rectal cavity. I read about one of Aarons team, Cat, getting podded numerous times. Seriously: I spend half my time in 0.0 and have not been podded since 2008.
It can be done.
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