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Ascendic Brotherhood of Suicidal Priests R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.08.09 04:59:00 - [1] Edited by: Ascendic on 09/08/2010 05:03:00 Originally by: Sarf Edited by: Sarf on 08/08/2010 14:47:15 I think you all are missing a big point here. This is like going to buy a gift card at Best Buy. once the cashier takes the money and hands you the gift card there responsibility over the card is done. They don't know or care if you take that gift card and give it to someone else, or store it in your mattress or shred it. They only care when the card comes back and someone says give me a DVD in exchange for the gift card. CCP is in the same boat, they gave you a PLEX when you gave them $. after that if you turn around and sell it, undock and get popped, or transfer it to your brother, or just trash it. They only care when someone presents the plex and says "give me 30d play time". So there is nothing unethical about this. if i buy a gift card and leave it on the bus is it Best Buys fault that I am absent minded? No it is my fault for losing it! Same with CCP so lay off them, they have made it possible for me to hunt for game time... :) Here is the BIGGER point that you are all missing. If you take said gift card and get mugged and it is stolen you can CALL Bestbuy or almost any other retailer who offers gift cards and have a replacement issued and the old card canceled if you have the receipt. This is stated and posted in a number of stores and I know for a fact Bestbuy and Futureshop do it (they are the same company now anyway) as I used to work there years ago and have done it. tl;dr - Whether or not you all believe it is right for PLEXes to be destroyable it is still shady business practice. Taking money for something and not providing services (Despite it being an idiot pilot or not) is generally frowned upon. And anyone who thinks this change was done because CCP 'Didnt like PLEXes being special' is a f*cking idiot. They did it because it was an easy ass change to boost revenue by getting money and providing nothing for every PLEX destroyed.
Ascendic Brotherhood of Suicidal Priests R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.08.09 05:09:00 - [2] Originally by: Aerilis The gift card analogy looks good at first, but you missed a little tiny detail--Company X used to issue gift cards used to be indestructible and unstealable. But then Company X decided to change it so that gift cards were destroyable and stealable, and surrounded their store with muggers. On top of that, they made a deal with the muggers to get half the stolen gift cards back, and let the muggers keep the other half. Nailed it.
Ascendic Brotherhood of Suicidal Priests R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.08.09 05:30:00 - [3] Edited by: Ascendic on 09/08/2010 05:30:46 Originally by: Ranger 1 Originally by: Ascendic Edited by: Ascendic on 09/08/2010 05:03:00 Originally by: Sarf Edited by: Sarf on 08/08/2010 14:47:15 I think you all are missing a big point here. This is like going to buy a gift card at Best Buy. once the cashier takes the money and hands you the gift card there responsibility over the card is done. They don't know or care if you take that gift card and give it to someone else, or store it in your mattress or shred it. They only care when the card comes back and someone says give me a DVD in exchange for the gift card. CCP is in the same boat, they gave you a PLEX when you gave them $. after that if you turn around and sell it, undock and get popped, or transfer it to your brother, or just trash it. They only care when someone presents the plex and says "give me 30d play time". So there is nothing unethical about this. if i buy a gift card and leave it on the bus is it Best Buys fault that I am absent minded? No it is my fault for losing it! Same with CCP so lay off them, they have made it possible for me to hunt for game time... :) Here is the BIGGER point that you are all missing. If you take said gift card and get mugged and it is stolen you can CALL Bestbuy or almost any other retailer who offers gift cards and have a replacement issued and the old card canceled if you have the receipt. This is stated and posted in a number of stores and I know for a fact Bestbuy and Futureshop do it (they are the same company now anyway) as I used to work there years ago and have done it. tl;dr - Whether or not you all believe it is right for PLEXes to be destroyable it is still shady business practice. Taking money for something and not providing services (Despite it being an idiot pilot or not) is generally frowned upon. And anyone who thinks this change was done because CCP 'Didnt like PLEXes being special' is a f*cking idiot. They did it because it was an easy ass change to boost revenue by getting money and providing nothing for every PLEX destroyed. I worked for Best Buy myself, and still have friends employed there. It doesn't work that way. There are a lot of variables that you aren't bothering to include in your scenario above that would end in Best Buy denying you redemption of your gift card. In fact, it wasn't all that long ago that they stopped having expiration dates on their gift cards. Meaning that if you didn't redeem the gift card quickly enough it lost all value. And they are only 1 of thousands of merchants with similar policies. Yes it does work that way. Bestbuy was one example i didnt work for them I worked for Futureshop and them along with many other retailers WILL give you a new card if you have a recepit. They have the serial number on the old card and can easily check balance and cancel it if it has not been used. So thanks for coming out. Oh did I forget to mention again that I have done it? Clearly you missed that part.
Ascendic Brotherhood of Suicidal Priests R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.08.09 06:28:00 - [4] Edited by: Ascendic on 09/08/2010 06:31:21 Originally by: Ranger 1 Shall I point out the vast number of retailers that don't use gift cards coded in this fashion? How many do you think require you to present the actual gift card issued to redeem it in the US alone? Do you believe that all of those merchants are guilty of shady business practices, or are defrauding their customers? Please point them out. I call BS. Every retailer that is not a mom and pop store or completely stupid will code the card. Otherwise it is extremely easy to create fraudulent ones. edit: Here is the other point everyone is missing. The mugger stealing the card can still go in and redeem it for said goods. There is no "drop rate" there is no chance the card will magiclaly disappear/vanish from reality and the retailer will no longer have to provide the service which was paid for. There is no problem with them dropping but to have them be destroyed on the roll of a dice is plain stupid.
Ascendic Brotherhood of Suicidal Priests R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.08.10 19:03:00 - [5] Originally by: democrities Are you people that dense? The whole reason as stated in the dev blog for making PLEXs movable was that they felt a PLEX shouldnt be treated as a special item, but just like any other item. So here you propose, making plex indestructable, thus treating it as a special item, going against the intended purpose of the change in the first place. Clearly you are the one who is dense because anyone who is not a complete moron knows the REAL reason CCP did this was NOT because they wanted to make PLEXes like every other item. No matter what they do PLEXes will NEVER be the same as any other item for simple facts like: They can be applied anywhere They can be bought directly with RL currency from CCP (through distributors) They are not seeded or made by players or droppable from npc's Go soak your head and come back when you have something more thought out to say you fu*king git.

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