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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.08.08 06:00:00 -
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Originally by: Ranger 1 A lot of people seem to confuse GTC's with Plex.
GTC's have a monetary value, can get a refund (I believe) for that value, and are redeemable for game time or can be converted into an in game item called a plex (2 actually). These are not destructible in game.
At the point of conversion into in game items (2 PLEX) the GTC loses all monetary value.
A PLEX has no monetary value, nor can be refunded for money. It is simply a valueless in game item like all other in game items.
If the person in question bought the PLEX from someone else, he spent valueless in game money to purchase them.
If the person in question converted multiple GTC's into PLEX's, he voluntarily negated any real world value the GTC had and transformed them into a valueless item he could sell in game for equally valueless game money.
If the point of buying the original GTC's was for the person in question to extend his game time, he would never have converted/moved the PLEX's to begin with... although strictly speaking their intentions are completely irrelevant as to the discussion of whether a PLEX has any kind of real world value.
And for all you just said 74 accounts will never be extended by those plex. Ever. 
Originally by: Balsak Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.08.08 07:01:00 -
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Originally by: Ranger 1 Edited by: Ranger 1 on 08/08/2010 06:21:07
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Ranger 1 A lot of people seem to confuse GTC's with Plex.
GTC's have a monetary value, can get a refund (I believe) for that value, and are redeemable for game time or can be converted into an in game item called a plex (2 actually). These are not destructible in game.
At the point of conversion into in game items (2 PLEX) the GTC loses all monetary value.
A PLEX has no monetary value, nor can be refunded for money. It is simply a valueless in game item like all other in game items.
If the person in question bought the PLEX from someone else, he spent valueless in game money to purchase them.
If the person in question converted multiple GTC's into PLEX's, he voluntarily negated any real world value the GTC had and transformed them into a valueless item he could sell in game for equally valueless game money.
If the point of buying the original GTC's was for the person in question to extend his game time, he would never have converted/moved the PLEX's to begin with... although strictly speaking their intentions are completely irrelevant as to the discussion of whether a PLEX has any kind of real world value.
And for all you just said 74 accounts will never be extended by those plex. Ever. 
Correct, which has literally no significance because the moment they were converted into PLEX they lost all real world value.
Does CCP keep the money paid for the GTCs?
Of course, they provided the GTC's as per the transaction. Their part in this comic tragedy is over.
Does a player get 6 years of game time?
No, because someone in their lust for worthless game money got both greedy and stupid (which, of course, happens every day in EVE).
Again, after all that a player is down 74 plex some gankers are out of luck on the 74 plex due to the crap drop and ccp is up $1295 usd they didn't have to provide any services for. Yarr indeed. 
Originally by: Balsak Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.08.08 07:13:00 -
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Originally by: Ranger 1
Quote: Again, after all that a player is down 74 plex some gankers are out of luck on the 74 plex due to the crap drop and ccp is up $1295 usd they didn't have to provide any services for. Yarr indeed. 
So? If some to convert $1295 worth of GTC's into worthless in game items and subsequently get them blown up, who cares?
Well I personally don't care as its eve after all and I certainly didn't lose my arse over it. Besides it was only 22 bil and that ain't much more than a speck of shiat in a thimble nowadays. But I'm sure the guy at ccp who convinced the management to impliment this feature and is going to get a nice fat bonus out of it surely cares. 
Originally by: Balsak Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.08.08 20:38:00 -
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Originally by: Vlayde Riser How does someone with such poor common-sense manage to even lead an alliance?
You seem to be labouring under the pretense that most alliance leaders actually have common sense. Endless greed and no morals certainly along with a decent amount of intelligence and charisma but common sense?
*looks back at all the outright threats made against ccp's sov 2.0 by said alliance leaders stating that they would do anything in their power to make sure sov 2.0 failed horribly*
Ohhhh boy.. 
Originally by: Balsak Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.08.09 02:33:00 -
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Edited by: Zeba on 09/08/2010 02:35:00
You getting all this down Prism X? This is some pretty informative social engineering data to be collated tbh.
I mean really, Eve Online: Serious Buisiness.
Originally by: ShadowandLight This is e x a c t l y what CCP wanted...
Indeed. Why not let the natural greedy and aggressive nature of the games playerbase make them even moar money? Kudos to the guy who implimented it tbh. Like has been repeated over and over and over there is no practical need to actually move plex from the station it originally spawned in. So if someone does try to move it and gets wtfpwnd then all they have to blame are themselves.
+$1295 usd ccp and too bad you haters are envious of ccp for actually finding even moar real life ways to profit off your endless virtual greed. 
Originally by: Balsak Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.08.09 02:47:00 -
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Edited by: Zeba on 09/08/2010 02:56:47
Originally by: Jypsie I think slickdog just one shotted an entire alliance.
Hey Man, Nice Shot
Then its an alliance in name only as 22 bil is probably sitting in one of my hangers if I arsed myself to open a random asset tab and count it all up. Real alliances deal with isk numbered in the trillions not billions.
Also: Hey man, Nice link. I love that song. 
Originally by: Borun Tal Sorry, but I can't get over how monumentally stupid it was to move that many PLEX the way it was done. Just stupid.
[tinfoil]Maybe it was a ccp alt that spawned 22 billion to buy the plex then he simply waited for the wartargets to show up and undocked?[/tinfoil]
Originally by: Balsak Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.08.09 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: Cailais Just a quick observation but if a PLEX is 'just like any other item' why is there a 17 page thread about the loss of 74 of them? Would there be a similar thread if it had been 22billion ISK in modules? For example theres a Nyx currently for sale at 18Bil. How many current GD threads are there about recent Nyx losses?
C.
Oh thats simple. Fleet fights are still broken so the ones effected by that issue are going balls to the walls to pick out any implyed ccp transgressions and bomb the ever livin **** out of it even if its not even remotely related to fleet fights. Think of it as kind of a fleet fight replacement mechanic to get thier blob fix. 
Originally by: Balsak Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.08.09 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Ivon Strom No, but the thought of Plexs having a 100% chance to drop is nice to dream about :P
And here kids is the real motivation for introducing indesctuctable plex. 
Originally by: Balsak Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.08.11 06:38:00 -
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If I ever wanted a forum sidekick like Batman has Robin then Ranger1 would be my first choice.
Way to stick it to the idjits mate. o7

Originally by: Balsak Eve-Online, the game that is so awesome people are willing to give CCP money so that they may have the privilege to bash it.
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