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GaiusAlexander	Posted - 2010.08.08 23:46:00 - [1] Been playing for two months, last of which I have been flying a Ferox. Love the ship, but everyone is so high on the Drake. Is that Drake a substantial upgrade to the Ferox? I have enough ISK to purchase and outfit a Drake the way I want, but should I just save a bit more upgrade to a battleship? Any input would be nice. I am at high ebd LVL 3 missions and LVL 4 have just opened up, so looking for the right ship to go to the next lelvel.
Saile Litestrider	Posted - 2010.08.09 00:12:00 - [2] The main thing that makes the drake nice is that it can easily fit quite a large tank. While it can very easily tank level 4s, it has a lot of trouble putting out enough damage to finish them in a reasonable amount of time. Following the standard Caldari path, and assuming you've been raising missile skills, the Raven would be your next step. It can handle level 4 missions much better than the drake provided your missile skills are up to par. If you've been focusing on hybrids you may be better off cross-training for Gallente, as the Caldari hybrid BS, the Rokh, is very hard to fit for missions without throwing tons of ISK at it.
Torpir Lee Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2010.08.09 00:12:00 - [3] The Drake can have a battleship level tank, and can be on par with the Raven in some missions DPS wise. For PvP, the Drake offers the perfect balance between tank, gank, range, speed, and price. A Drake is one of the most formidable opposing ships to take on solo.
GaiusAlexander	Posted - 2010.08.09 00:19:00 - [4] The Raven is what I have my eye on. Just didn't if I need to go drake as a stop gap. I do really love my Ferox and have got the Tank (active and passive) to the point I can take on two battleships at once and walk away), just don't know if It will have the firepower to take on LVL 4 missions. From what I am reading, the Drake doesn't pack much more of a punch.
Torpir Lee Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2010.08.09 00:27:00 - [5] Edited by: Torpir Lee on 09/08/2010 00:34:57 Originally by: GaiusAlexander The Raven is what I have my eye on. Just didn't if I need to go drake as a stop gap. I do really love my Ferox and have got the Tank (active and passive) to the point I can take on two battleships at once and walk away), just don't know if It will have the firepower to take on LVL 4 missions. From what I am reading, the Drake doesn't pack much more of a punch. The Drake has an advantage over a Raven in missions where you face a larger than average amount of sub-battleship kinetic-vulnerable rats. It can be somewhat equal in normal missions with kinetic-vulnerable rats(Usually on long range missions). In missions where other damage types are needed, the Raven pulls ahead. Skilling up Raven skills also opens up the CNR and Golem, which are up in the debate for the best missioning boat out there.
Gecko O'Bac H A V O C Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.08.09 00:27:00 - [6] Originally by: GaiusAlexander The Raven is what I have my eye on. Just didn't if I need to go drake as a stop gap. I do really love my Ferox and have got the Tank (active and passive) to the point I can take on two battleships at once and walk away), just don't know if It will have the firepower to take on LVL 4 missions. From what I am reading, the Drake doesn't pack much more of a punch. Drake packs much more punch, if not for any other reason for the fact that you can choose your damage type. With a correctly fitted (and, well, skilled) drake you can do EVERY l4 mission there is, with, perhaps, the exception of the bonus rooms. That said, the raven puts out more dps, but it's substantially harder to use with low skills: it's much less survivable.
Canaloney Soup	Posted - 2010.08.09 00:37:00 - [7] [Ferox, PvE] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Invulnerability Field II Heat Dissipation Amplifier II Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Dual 150mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M Dual 150mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Fury Heavy Missile Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Hobgoblin II x5 368 omni tank 373 dps with drones/AM/fury [Drake, PvE] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Photon Scattering Field II Heat Dissipation Amplifier II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Fury Heavy Missile [empty high slot] Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Hobgoblin II x5 520 omni tank 416 with drones/fury & 495 with drones/scourge fury take your pick
Thorian Baalnorn	Posted - 2010.08.09 02:34:00 - [8] A drake is pretty decent at everything and has an awesome tank. The ferox,imo, isnt really that great of a ship. You will live longer and kill more in a drake. The drake is used by noobs as well people who been playing for years. Its a ship you just never grow out of. It has to many uses.
Kaldani Malankori 0ne Percent.	Posted - 2010.08.09 03:46:00 - [9] Originally by: Canaloney Soup FIT SPAMMAGE Why do people always spam fits when a normal question is asked? That's a 2 month old char asking, try getting a full t2 on that.
Canaloney Soup	Posted - 2010.08.09 04:08:00 - [10] Originally by: Kaldani Malankori Originally by: Canaloney Soup FIT SPAMMAGE Why do people always spam fits when a normal question is asked? That's a 2 month old char asking, try getting a full t2 on that. yes i know he/she only 2 months old i was showing gap between the two

AstarothPrime	Posted - 2010.08.09 09:50:00 - [11] Drake is 60M to buy and fit jack of all trades. - It can have 1200 dps tank (2 dmg) + 450 dps output easily (needed for L4 missions, or u can do 1 mission a day) - It can have 700+ dps for pvp, even solo (HAM II, BCU, MWD setup) - It can have 1200+ dps omni tank (almost passive, note it cant OP much damage this way because all slots are filled with shield tank mods) - great for being a bait in fleet roams ;) All that usage for 60M ISK The ship with THE best usability / price ratio in game... hull costs just over 20M ISK Specialise in drake skills - its worth it. Im just 2 mths old and I only trained those - and can achieve all that I mentioned but HAM II - priceless aint? I.
AstarothPrime	Posted - 2010.08.09 09:53:00 - [12] Edited by: AstarothPrime on 09/08/2010 09:55:17 Originally by: Kaldani Malankori Originally by: Canaloney Soup FIT SPAMMAGE Why do people always spam fits when a normal question is asked? That's a 2 month old char asking, try getting a full t2 on that. And why not? 2 months can fit you that... I KNOW it can. OFC provided you didnt train trade and production past month and a half... :D I. Edit: P.S. I did that just after my learning training - some old guy told me all I need for effective play and ISK making is - drake to fullest. Atleast for first year orso. I.
Wacktopia Dark Side Of The Womb Focused Intentions	Posted - 2010.08.09 10:43:00 - [13] I know you mention PVE but the Drake is a solid first-choice for PvP also. It's nothing special in some respects but it has some nice advantages... - Great offence against small targets, using precision missiles. Means if you get jumped by a small ship you can potentially blow it up. - Ability to chose damage type by changing missile type. Change to match resistance holes in your target or, perhaps more importantly, to avoid hitting the high T2 hull resist types. - Large buffer tank. Buffer tanks are the easiest to use in PvP for obvious reasons and the Drake can support a massive one.
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions	Posted - 2010.08.09 16:23:00 - [14] Originally by: GaiusAlexander Is that Drake a substantial upgrade to the Ferox? Yeah. It is. The Drake is hands down better in PvE -- better tank, more damage, etc. It's also a PvP generalist that does quite well (though I wouldn't take one out for PvP at two months' training) while the Ferox plays a very narrow niche role that isn't really in high demand in today's PvP environment. Oh, and to fit either well for PvP you'll need some pretty brutal fitting skills. Originally by: GaiusAlexander I have enough ISK to purchase and outfit a Drake the way I want, but should I just save a bit more upgrade to a battleship? I'd get the Drake and work on support skills before moving up, but opinions vary and they vary validly. The Raven is much harder to fly at low skills, but it can be done. Whether it can apply more damage than a similarly-skilled Drake is another question entirely. If you're just saving up for a single ship, though, I'd get the Drake. You're more likely to lose the Raven and be kicking yourself in your pod all the way home. Lots of veterans will disagree and tell you to bum-rush the Raven right away because if you don't screw up you won't lose it. But if you're at all like me, you'll screw up at first. The Drake will be much more forgiving.
Daergaar Caldari Yama Seki	Posted - 2010.08.09 22:40:00 - [15] Edited by: Daergaar on 09/08/2010 22:44:24 My Raven feel substantially squishier than my Drake, but it puts out a lot more damage. I suspect if I fit my Drake for better DPS at the expense of some tank that issue would be alleviated. I have max missile and shield skills of all kinds (makes a HUGE difference, also get Battlecruisers to at least level 4 immediately, but 5 is preferable). The Drake can even handle level 4 bonus rooms (I just did the Angel Extravaganza level 4 bonus room last night), but you have to make sure to use drones to take out the frigates fast that scram you. Getting webbed increases your incoming DPS a lot too. Warp out if you have to (I had to twice, but I still completed it). The Drake is a fun ship. Plus it's way better at handling small targets than the Raven is. It's substantially better at popping frigates and cruisers. Originally by: Gecko O'Bac Originally by: GaiusAlexander The Raven is what I have my eye on. Just didn't if I need to go drake as a stop gap. I do really love my Ferox and have got the Tank (active and passive) to the point I can take on two battleships at once and walk away), just don't know if It will have the firepower to take on LVL 4 missions. From what I am reading, the Drake doesn't pack much more of a punch. Drake packs much more punch, if not for any other reason for the fact that you can choose your damage type. With a correctly fitted (and, well, skilled) drake you can do EVERY l4 mission there is, with, perhaps, the exception of the bonus rooms. That said, the raven puts out more dps, but it's substantially harder to use with low skills: it's much less survivable.
GaiusAlexander	Posted - 2010.08.10 15:33:00 - [16] Thanks for everyone's input, even the tech on all the LVL II stuff. While I cannot do all of it yet, it gives me a path to aspire to, right? Still not sure which direction to go in. I spent a lot of time/effort in training shields and have a good month to get to LVL 2 Heavy Launchers, but even with the ferox I am taking or 3 and 4 battleships at a time, it just takes me 5 minutes to kill one. Not Sure I will ever finsih Angel Extravaganza at this rate, but the bounty, loot and salvage makes a very profitable missions. Thanks again.
Ulstan	Posted - 2010.08.10 16:31:00 - [17] Sadly, the Ferox is one of those ships handicapped by the silly 'tier' system wherein some ships in a class are just straight out inferior to other ships of the same class.
Lady Ayeipsia	Posted - 2010.08.10 17:13:00 - [18] Originally by: Ulstan Sadly, the Ferox is one of those ships handicapped by the silly 'tier' system wherein some ships in a class are just straight out inferior to other ships of the same class. This is basically it in a nut shell. For the longest time, I favored Caldari ships and Hybrid turrets. I used the Cormorant, then the Moa, later the Ferox, and eventually the Rokh. And you know what, as much as the generic gunnery skills are helping me now as I branch into Minmitar, I wasted a lot of time and isk on those Rokhs and Feroxes. They aren't bad ships. Heck, I still have a sniper Rokh handy, and until recently I had a Mining rokh that could out mine a retriever, I just needed a hauler as my cargo hold wasn't huge (3200 cubic meters, so it wasn't small either). The Ferox makes a good gas miner too. However, all I can say is... try the Drake. The difference between it and a ferox is amazing. Sure, a Blaster Ferox or even a good rail fit does well, but the tank and durability of the drake far exceeds the ferox. Missions where my ferox would have to dock, my drake laughs at. Seriously, just try it. The differences will become obvious. The same is true for the Rokh and Raven. I use to push my luck, missioning in a Rokh. Once I switched to a Raven, I never went back. It was just a better ship for the task at hand.
GaiusAlexander	Posted - 2010.08.12 19:55:00 - [19] Yep. I am sold on the Drake. Went ahead and bought it and a Scorpion (just to see how a battleship handles) and after a few days, sold the Scorpion back. The drake is a lot more fun to fly and really took out enemy battleships with it's 7 Heavy missile bays easier than the 4 torpedo bays on the Scorpion. I'll probably try the raven in a few weeks when I get around to training cruise missiles, but until then. Me likie the Drake! Anyone sees me in game, say hi.
Marcus Gideon Gallente Federal Defense Operations	Posted - 2010.08.12 20:20:00 - [20] Drake is the single most overpowered ship in the game. Ridiculous tank, painful amounts of dps, teeny enough to attempt "speed tanking" damage that a BS would otherwise take in the face... Too bad it looks like a Borg roof tile or something. They really need to pretty up the most popular ship in the game a little bit.

Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.08.12 21:18:00 - [21] Originally by: Marcus Gideon Drake is the single most overpowered ship in the game. Ridiculous tank, painful amounts of dps, teeny enough to attempt "speed tanking" damage that a BS would otherwise take in the face... Too bad it looks like a Borg roof tile or something. They really need to pretty up the most popular ship in the game a little bit. I have to lol that. I fly a drake and I fly a cane in lvl 4 missions for fun and the cane out dps's the drake and the drake out tanks the cane, but nobody says the cane is OP even tho they are balanced as hell, and the 2 most popular ships in the game to less than 1%. This is clearly a signature.
Marcus Henik	Posted - 2010.08.12 21:23:00 - [22] I like the looks on the drake, granted I have graduated to a tengu for most of my pve, but I still have a soft spot for the doom taco. plus its cheapness makes it alot easyer to lose with a smile. and theextra high slot fits a nice probe launcher for wormhole operatins. all n all a solid ship.
GaiusAlexander	Posted - 2010.08.13 01:44:00 - [23] I always what happened to the rest of the ship too. Maybe it's built that for areodynamics ... in space... Still the ugliest ship has to me a Moa. I use one for salvage and shudder everythine I get in it. My 5 year old thinks it looks like a man.
Irae Ragwan	Posted - 2010.08.13 02:24:00 - [24] Edited by: Irae Ragwan on 13/08/2010 02:25:05 Edited by: Irae Ragwan on 13/08/2010 02:24:39 Originally by: Marcus Gideon Drake is the single most overpowered ship in the game. Personally i'd nominate the hurricane. Drake makes a great cheap and effective pve ship, but the cane can do 90% of what a drake can in pve and it's a lot more flexible in pvp. Originally by: GaiusAlexander Still the ugliest ship has to be a Moa. Agreed.
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.08.13 03:02:00 - [25] Originally by: Irae Ragwan Originally by: Marcus Gideon Drake is the single most overpowered ship in the game. Personally i'd nominate the hurricane. Drake makes a great cheap and effective pve ship, but the cane can do 90% of what a drake can in pve and it's a lot more flexible in pvp. I cannot fathom how you can view this statement as fact. I am eager to see your sentry tanking, level 4 grinding, and wormhole running hurricane fits. And if you want to see my nano drake fits, I can show you those. :) -Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
Kail Storm Caldari	Posted - 2010.08.13 03:23:00 - [26] Originally by: Irae Ragwan Edited by: Irae Ragwan on 13/08/2010 02:25:05 Edited by: Irae Ragwan on 13/08/2010 02:24:39 Originally by: Marcus Gideon Drake is the single most overpowered ship in the game. Personally i'd nominate the hurricane. Drake makes a great cheap and effective pve ship, but the cane can do 90% of what a drake can in pve and it's a lot more flexible in pvp. Originally by: GaiusAlexander Still the ugliest ship has to be a Moa. Agreed. Flexability is in the eye of the beholder.... IMO it far exceeds Cane in PVE and is every bit as good [better in alot of situations] as it in PVP. Sure the cane can go arty frig killer or Nuet, but the Drakes tank matched with its 400 DPS@75km and 5 ECM drones is amazing or you can go 75k EHP Ham with 20km Range and 550 DPS. Cane wins for fast get in and get out scenarios but in reality its only beter in Nano format, the second you armor tank it, it gets into the EHP battle and it will lose to a Buffer Drake eveytime. 25% Resist is like a free Mid. and in Armor tank vs the Drake is just as fast and agile. -------------------------------------------------- "If Eve Was P*rn, It would be a Snuff film, First you get screwed then you get killed" -Me
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.08.13 03:48:00 - [27] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Irae Ragwan Originally by: Marcus Gideon Drake is the single most overpowered ship in the game. Personally i'd nominate the hurricane. Drake makes a great cheap and effective pve ship, but the cane can do 90% of what a drake can in pve and it's a lot more flexible in pvp. I cannot fathom how you can view this statement as fact. I am eager to see your sentry tanking, level 4 grinding, and wormhole running hurricane fits. And if you want to see my nano drake fits, I can show you those. :) -Liang Its a fact that the cane produces more dps than the drake and the drake tanks more dps. According to your own logic it would be "sadistic" to suggest using a drake for missioning because its quite simply slower than a hurricane. This is clearly a signature.
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.08.13 03:54:00 - [28] Originally by: Cipher Jones Its a fact that the cane produces more dps than the drake and the drake tanks more dps. According to your own logic it would be "sadistic" to suggest using a drake for missioning because its quite simply slower than a hurricane. Your reading comprehension is very poor if that's how you understand my viewpoint. Lets try again: "Your tank only matters insomuch as it doesn't break and you don't have to warp out. After that, all that matters is applied DPS." Now that we're on a more correct path, why don't you tell me where the Hurricane fails at running L4 missions? -Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
Kail Storm Caldari	Posted - 2010.08.13 03:55:00 - [29] Depends on the mission,alot of times the Cane`s tank just cant hold, Try to do a C3 WH for instance. Try aggroing a whole room in WC. Just to name a few, im sure the Cane is the king of 3`s where its tracking and agility make it optimal and range isnt such a factor. Also remember because the Drake has such a great natural tank you dont have to use as many slots that could be used for Weapon mods like BCS. -------------------------------------------------- "If Eve Was P*rn, It would be a Snuff film, First you get screwed then you get killed" -Me
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.08.13 04:31:00 - [30] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Cipher Jones Its a fact that the cane produces more dps than the drake and the drake tanks more dps. According to your own logic it would be "sadistic" to suggest using a drake for missioning because its quite simply slower than a hurricane. Your reading comprehension is very poor if that's how you understand my viewpoint. Lets try again: "Your tank only matters insomuch as it doesn't break and you don't have to warp out. After that, all that matters is applied DPS." Now that we're on a more correct path, why don't you tell me where the Hurricane fails at running L4 missions? -Liang DPS = Damage done/time. I said the hurricane had more DPS. If you warp out of a mission it will significantly lower your DPS, on any ship. Not the hypothetical EFT numbers. They cant compensate for such complexities. This is clearly a signature.



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