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Kavu
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.08.11 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: Nexus Kinnon Edited by: Nexus Kinnon on 09/08/2010 17:51:12 snipe a thread
thats always fun
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Demon Bint
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Posted - 2010.08.11 21:52:00 -
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Seriously move to a new region , a system with 20 astroid belts or more
if you don't move when you leave the game to go do real life stuff make sure you leave your chars logged in so that they sit outside the station getting bored crapless
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My Postman
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Posted - 2010.08.12 11:45:00 -
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Edited by: My Postman on 12/08/2010 11:46:35
Originally by: Tido Maliyu
Originally by: My Postman Create an alt and make him ceo of your corp to act as a placeholder. The other corp members leave the corp and are thrown into noobcorps. Now do your business as usual.
Sounds like exploit...
Quote: Or disband old corp and create new one for several times, which will lighten griefer-corps wallet. Note that CCP will NOT be fond of this tactic.
Exploit
Quote: NEVER PAY A RANSOM!
You're just full of terrible ideas, aren't you? I don't know about the rest of the griefer community, but if someone pays a ransom, I get quite ecstatic, and immediately retract my war decs.
Quote: Hope this helps.
Making a fairly simple situation complicated; you hit it spot on!
1) I¦m pretty sure this is no exploit, as there is no corp hopping involved. 2)What of "Note that CCP will not be fond of this tactic" did you not understand? 3) Paying ransoms on wardecs is even more stupid than paying ransoms when getting cought in gatecamps/hotdropped with your pimped ship. NEVER PAY RANSOMS. DON¦T TRUST ANYBODY, IT¦S EVE.
Edit: Typo
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Annubi
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Posted - 2010.08.12 14:48:00 -
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Paying up is a viable option. "Griefer" corps have reputations to worry about just like everyone else, and if they get a rep for not honoring their agreements, then eventually no one will pay.
Assuming that you do not want to do this, I highly recommend reading this:
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Wartime_Standard_Operating_Procedures
It is written from the (very valid, imo) point of view that states that a griefer that is not griefing will get bored eventually. Deny them easy kills, and they will go away. Whether you do that by spinning in station or blowing them up is up to you.
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Indeterminacy
THORN Syndicate Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.08.12 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Millie Clode Make sure you only fly navy issue ships. I hear if your enemies kill enough of your faction ships the faction navy spawns to protect you.
0/10
Originally by: Razzor Death a barrel roll
^^ Some of that pilot **** mav!!1!
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Cyprus Black
Caldari 4 wing Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2010.08.12 21:21:00 -
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Sweet zombie Jesus, please tell me you're not all docked in the same system. Are you?
Have you given any consideration into fighting back? It doesn't take much to hit them back with. Most "griefer" corps that extort others are pushovers. Not all but most. They look for the weakest targets they can find to pull this on.
Fight back and I bet they'll retract.
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Jerreie
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Posted - 2010.08.12 22:19:00 -
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I lold at people suggesting that a corp which spends it's days sitting outside a station waiting for miners to undock would get bored of killing newbies in rifters over and over.
I also lold at people suggesting undocking in rifters and dying instantly would be "fun".
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Igoh
Gallente Cartel Assessment Branch The Blood Money Cartel
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Posted - 2010.08.17 02:39:00 -
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i once had this happend to my corp a long time ago. i cant speak for my fellow corpmates at the time but what i did was fit up a cloaky friget and sent my attackers on a 'wild goose chase' they got borad after a while.
we were not a mining/missioning only corp(we had a core a pvpers) but our attackers liked to run around with tec2 cruisers HIDs, HACs recons making us really just as helpless. are attackers wanted 500m out of us we never paid.
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SurrenderMonkey
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Posted - 2010.08.17 02:48:00 -
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Edited by: SurrenderMonkey on 17/08/2010 02:55:00
Originally by: Tido Maliyu
Originally by: My Postman Create an alt and make him ceo of your corp to act as a placeholder. The other corp members leave the corp and are thrown into noobcorps. Now do your business as usual.
Sounds like exploit...
Wrong.
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Quote: Or disband old corp and create new one for several times, which will lighten griefer-corps wallet. Note that CCP will NOT be fond of this tactic.
Exploit
You're 0 for 2. Also not an exploit.
I'll go ahead and preemptively respond to your inevitable rebuttal and save you the embarrassment of being wrong three times in a row about the same issue. You are welcome.
What would be an exploit would be creating an alt-corp, and then using it to instantiate another war-dec to artificially inflate the cost. Additionally, once upon a time it WAS an exploit to join/leave a corp during a war dec while in space. The ability to do this was removed, and the exploit died with it. You can create/disband/join/leave all you want.
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Margaret Shrike
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Posted - 2010.08.17 03:41:00 -
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Noir or move to 0.0 |
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Delilah Wild
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Posted - 2010.08.17 04:42:00 -
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Lots of interesting advice in this thread.
Recall that what defines a griefer is not their 'playstyle' per se, but their motive -- the ill-intentioned harrassing of others.
Most griefers are looking for easy marks to bully. They differ from pirates hanging about in low sec looking for real combat. With this in mind, you have several options. Two of these are deny griefers the opportunity, and making it costly for them. Choose which option is most apt for you at the time, but as others have noted, developing your pvp capacity (over time), a willingness to use it, and the discipline to shut down mining, missioning, production and trade activities for a time, are requisite.
If you are not willing to do this in the long term, the you'll be continually harassed by griefers.
Good speed.
Delilah friendsofeve.wordpress.com
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Pehk Mak'mel'ahma
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Posted - 2010.08.17 07:12:00 -
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Edited by: Pehk Mak''mel''ahma on 17/08/2010 07:12:53 Adding my own experience with our WARDEC launched by a now 103 player corporation against our mining corporation:
To quote a certain line from a Star Trek: TNG episode, "Sometimes, the best way to fight is not to be there". While the overwhelming majority of stated opinions here is to grab arms and do battle, that is usually not the best solution if your opponents are experienced combat pilots with superior numbers. Fighting a hopeless battle against odds like this is costly, morale bruising and futile. And it is exactly what your opponent hopes to accomplish
The solution is simple: take away their targets and you frustrate the enemy. Don't stay together in one group: spread out. Check out where the headquarters (or headquarters are if they are an alliance) and move your ratting, mining, and salvage operations as far as possible from those offices. Make them expend energy, time, and ISK to trying to find you. Do not attempt to take the fight to them even in skirmish runs.
Don't be afraid to leave your home region. There are players in Amarr, Caldari, and Gallente space who would be more than happy to lend a hand. Work out deals to allow you to share missions. Sometimes you have to take a cut as we did, but if you get more partnerships going, you make more ISK. If you haul or do courier runs, hire a corporation that can do this for you. Also, be prepared to do a lot of travelling, and not just because you are a target now, but to go to people and explain your situation to them.
Information is power. If you got a website, such as ourselves, make a show of it and report how well you are doing,and let people know what the WARDEC is about. Hire an advert for your corp if you can afford it and educate people about the WARDEC. You will be surprised how willing people are to buy your ore or finished goods if they understand your plight through your advertising.
The common misconception is that a larger force with more guns and ships will triumph over a supposedly weaker foe. History has shown (as with the Afghan against the Soviet Army and Indian resistance against BRitish Rule) conflicts can be won through non-conventional methods
Pehk
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Jones Bones
Final Agony
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Posted - 2010.08.17 11:08:00 -
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Originally by: admiral fovios
Delicious, delicious pirate tears.
In threads where carebears cry, dozens post "sandbux, Lrn2ply". Then the carebears do something creative using the fact it's a sandbox game, and a torrent of name calling and frustrated !%#!-talking commences.
And that's pretty much every thread that's not "I just ganked X and got Y."
Pirates do not exist in high sec. We are the robber barons of low sec. IRBARONS!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Caldari citizen52145894561
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Posted - 2010.08.18 17:52:00 -
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to OP, do corp hopping, leave the company in the hands of a useless alt, then have the origioal CEO make another company and have everyone join it, do this enough times and they will leave you alone (except from the suicide ganks)
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Lyrkra
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Posted - 2010.08.19 09:22:00 -
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Here is my idea:
We are a 0.0 Alliance looking for miners atm. We can offer you ABC mining, protection, station, Orca, Rorqual and everything a miner can dream of. Join my Corp and we will sort you out. If they wardec us we will have Hell come down on them. Contact me ingame or via Evemail.
Hope to hear from you!
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Jhagiti Tyran
Invicta.
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Posted - 2010.08.19 12:39:00 -
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Originally by: Jerreie
I also lold at people suggesting undocking in rifters and dying instantly would be "fun".
You would be surprised at how effective it would be, stay docked while they camp for a few hours until they start going afk or logging off and then send one guy out as bait, get aggro, undock ten T1 fit Rifters and kill the most expensive thing on the field. It wont take a huge amount of pvp experience or complicated tactics and will do a disproportionate amount of damage.
Do this a few times and kill some HACs or recons they will soon get fed up losing 100m+ and only killing 10m isk of Rifters fitted with junk named mods.
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Mr Ravenblade
RLSH Holdings Caped Vigilantes
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Posted - 2010.08.23 13:34:00 -
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Contact me in game. I will set you up with with what you need. - MRB |
Smuggo Smuggins
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Posted - 2010.08.23 13:42:00 -
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Originally by: GallenteCitizen 9035768 It seems that there's no way out since dont pvp and they have 4 active members who all pvp. We're mostly missioners and miners.
Learn how to PvP maybe?
Get some advice from experienced players, read up on PvP, fight smart and fly cheap. Once you've destroyed a few of their lovely T2 ships with a bunch of T1 ships they'll soon decide it isn't worth it and leave you alone.
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Durp Nurples
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Posted - 2010.08.23 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: Galison My way would be make jumpclones. move them to some otehr high sec system far far away more then 1 jc is good and spread them out they attack you jump to the clone farthest away. use retrivers their cheap and when/if big if there they finaly make it to where you are which is unlikely since most grifers dont like working for their kills they will end up droping the decor you jc to another location either way you can go back to mining and once they get bored you can go back to your orginal area.
This.
Have a second base of operations a fair distance away that your corp can clonejump to on these occasions. It might take a little logistics to keep mining ops and production going, but it will be much less than sitting in stations doing nothing.
There are plenty of jumpclone services out there to help you get them going if you don't have the faction yet.
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omgfreemoniez
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Posted - 2010.08.23 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: Smuggo Smuggins
Originally by: GallenteCitizen 9035768 It seems that there's no way out since dont pvp and they have 4 active members who all pvp. We're mostly missioners and miners.
Learn how to PvP maybe?
Get some advice from experienced players, read up on PvP, fight smart and fly cheap. Once you've destroyed a few of their lovely T2 ships with a bunch of T1 ships they'll soon decide it isn't worth it and leave you alone.
This is terrible advice. Last time noobs tried to actually fight me with all they had in a war they lost 7v1 including 2 battlecruisers and a T3 to my lone battleship...
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Smuggo Smuggins
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Posted - 2010.08.23 13:51:00 -
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Originally by: omgfreemoniez
Originally by: Smuggo Smuggins
Originally by: GallenteCitizen 9035768 It seems that there's no way out since dont pvp and they have 4 active members who all pvp. We're mostly missioners and miners.
Learn how to PvP maybe?
Get some advice from experienced players, read up on PvP, fight smart and fly cheap. Once you've destroyed a few of their lovely T2 ships with a bunch of T1 ships they'll soon decide it isn't worth it and leave you alone.
This is terrible advice. Last time noobs tried to actually fight me with all they had in a war they lost 7v1 including 2 battlecruisers and a T3 to my lone battleship...
When I'd been playing for a couple of months, my old carebear corp got decced by a corp that just did high-sec wars against what it thought were soft targets. We played games with them for a while, and we lost a few little frigs and such (our biggest single loss was a Ferox I think), but we fought smart and took down a precession of T2 ships. Our isk efficiency was over 80%, and they soon retracted the war dec.
It's not terrible advice at all. The best way for carebears to protect their corp is to learn how to PvP. They might not enjoy PvP, but if they at least know how to do it they'll save a lot of hassle in the long run.
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Pehk Mak'mel'ahma
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Posted - 2010.08.23 16:25:00 -
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Edited by: Pehk Mak''mel''ahma on 23/08/2010 16:30:36
Originally by: Smuggo Smuggins It's not terrible advice at all. The best way for carebears to protect their corp is to learn how to PvP. They might not enjoy PvP, but if they at least know how to do it they'll save a lot of hassle in the long run.
I don't know Smuggo, sometimes the best way to win a fight is not to be there. Our 4 man corporation was WARDEC'd by an alliance of 4 corporations that grew to 103 players during the conflict. This was a ratio of approximately 25 to 1. I simply told my corpmates to spread out throughout New Eden, keep moving, and be careful who they talked to in local. I also went out to talk to other players to explain what we were going through, and to my surprise, many wanted to help us out.
So how did it all end? In the beginning, this alliance demanded 100 million ISK from us or disband. After two weeks they stopped WARDECing us and ended up having to pay the equivalent amount of 100 million ISK in WARDEC fees.
I'm not saying PvP is the wrong solution, just that it is not the only solution. If you are wily enough to outwit your opponent by denying him his targets, you can easily survive a WARDEC. Our own corporation proved that.
Pehk
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