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Chara Vega	Posted - 2010.08.09 19:55:00 - [1] Edited by: Chara Vega on 09/08/2010 20:02:45 I will play in high stakes EOH poker tournaments. If I win, ISK is returned with interest. If I lose, nothing is returned. No collateral. This is not a troll, I am dead serious. I have been known to get royal and straight flushes.
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2010.08.09 19:57:00 - [2] Originally by: Chara Vega If I lose, nothing is returned. No collateral. Thats called a donation, not a loan. Though, bonus points for being upfront and honest. IBTL
battlefar galactica	Posted - 2010.08.09 19:58:00 - [3] troll and hate mail below this
Lucyna Minmatar Interstellar Killer Bee Enterprises	Posted - 2010.08.09 20:26:00 - [4] I'm in for 100 (one hundred) isk
Chara Vega	Posted - 2010.08.09 20:28:00 - [5] Sorry, minimum will be 525m for this; any lower is not worth the time.
egola	Posted - 2010.08.09 21:02:00 - [6] yea.....let us support your gambling habbit!
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2010.08.09 21:10:00 - [7] ..As a cash poker player, I can say that giving away a 20% steak offer is unheard of. Especially for a tournament offer. Tournament staking offers are usually in the range of 55-75%, as the variance in tournaments is high. The odds that Chara Vega winning a tournament are worse then the odds of Chara Vega being a scammer with a new angle.
Chara Vega	Posted - 2010.08.09 21:11:00 - [8] Edited by: Chara Vega on 09/08/2010 21:13:05 Alright, boosting to 50%. Keep in mind these are DT tournaments, 6 entrants and 3 winners of double the buy-in.
Estel Arador	Posted - 2010.08.09 21:21:00 - [9] So what's your past performance like? One would think that if you were any good, you would be making any money you need by well.. playing poker. If on the other hand you need the loan because you've lost all your money playing poker, would it be a good idea to give you the loan? Free jumpclone service\|1092 stations!
Chara Vega	Posted - 2010.08.09 21:28:00 - [10] Past performance has been good, ISK tied up in other things.

Estel Arador	Posted - 2010.08.09 21:33:00 - [11] Originally by: Chara Vega Past performance has been good, ISK tied up in other things. "Good" is a bit vague, don't you think? Is the isk tied up in anything which could serve as collateral? Free jumpclone service\|1092 stations!
egola	Posted - 2010.08.09 21:51:00 - [12] his isk being tied up or not doesn't matter considering that he's asking for a no-collateral loan
Chara Vega	Posted - 2010.08.09 22:03:00 - [13] Edited by: Chara Vega on 09/08/2010 22:04:33 Quote: "Good" is a bit vague, don't you think? I made enough to get my station trading alt started and set up my PVP character with HACS/BS/BC in 0.0. ISK is tied up in: A) Ships in 0.0 on my PVP account B) Station trading on my trade account I realize this isn't for everyone, but for those that have some extra ISK and would like to make 50% interest with odds better than a coin toss.
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2010.08.09 22:09:00 - [14] Edited by: Syds Sinclair on 09/08/2010 22:14:48 ..I'll give any potential staker the option to look over this staking page on 2+2 forums, which was created by David Sklansky, who if you do not know by name, no introduction by me will do him justice. Look him up if interested. Furthermore, do not invest in this service and/or product. Edit: Please provide your HEM or PT3 graph that proves your are an experienced tournament or SNG poker player. If you cannot, then I would advise any potential stakers that their expected value for this for this investment will be just as good should you invest in any other non collateral offering.
clixor	Posted - 2010.08.09 23:09:00 - [15] first. Mavens (used by eohpoker) doesn't work with pokertracker. second. sorry to haven taken you're isk chara :)
Chara Vega	Posted - 2010.08.09 23:11:00 - [16] No need to apologize good sir!
JtotheROC	Posted - 2010.08.09 23:14:00 - [17] Originally by: Chara Vega This is not a troll, I am dead serious. I have been known to get royal and straight flushes. LOL! This part really cracked me up. Thanks for the laugh. What's your tag on eohpoker?
NoChance Lance	Posted - 2010.08.09 23:17:00 - [18] Mmmm.... steak... _______________________________________________ I'm not afraid of anything or anyone, unless they are wearing a mask. Diego Maradona 2010
Chara Vega	Posted - 2010.08.09 23:38:00 - [19] Originally by: JtotheROC Originally by: Chara Vega This is not a troll, I am dead serious. I have been known to get royal and straight flushes. LOL! This part really cracked me up. Thanks for the laugh. What's your tag on eohpoker? 8329057264
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2010.08.10 00:05:00 - [20] Originally by: clixor first. Mavens (used by eohpoker) doesn't work with pokertracker. ) ..So you are saying that he started playing and learned hold'em from EOHpoker only. Never once deposited and played on a site like Full Tilt. If that is the case, then even more reason to not stake him.

Velieris	Posted - 2010.08.10 00:23:00 - [21] Chara, honestly, jog right on. I've played in several tournaments against you, and I distinctly remember placing above you in all those tournaments. Yeahhhh, a real good poker player...
flakeys DRAMA Inc	Posted - 2010.08.10 06:00:00 - [22] Ac155 did this once allthough he did promise the isk to be returned.Was one of my first investments and i might add a verry good one. That said , HELL no not with my isk OP
Boundless Faith	Posted - 2010.08.10 11:19:00 - [23] She;s a EOH Joker.
Tiima Tuscan	Posted - 2010.08.10 12:19:00 - [24] Originally by: Chara Vega I have been known to get royal and straight flushes. Lol... I think everyone has the same chance as you of getting these hands, it's called probability. As you're the Doyle Brunson of the EOH world you should know that the odds of getting dealt these hands are pretty astronomically slim. And they're the same odds as me, or any of the fules above us that have posted.
Dzil Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve OWN Alliance	Posted - 2010.08.10 14:39:00 - [25] So... +50% if you win, -100% if you lose. You're basically advertising you win more than 66% of games at those odds to break even. If you're that good, why are you broke? Retired from corp sales. Time to spend some of this on pretty explosions :)
PureMurder	Posted - 2010.08.10 15:27:00 - [26] Edited by: PureMurder on 10/08/2010 15:29:04 Poker is a fairly high variance activity and it's not likely that someone will be able to make consistent profit by staking you on a nightly basis. There's a term for a staking arrangement where the loser has to keep playing for the staker, I think it's called "make-up" or something like that. Basically if you lose the guy can keep shipping you money and you have to keep playing for him. Because of the variance in poker, staking arrangements "should" be long-term to be advantageous to both parties. I'm not quite sure the math of it, but what you're offering is -EV. edit: I've heard that EOH cash games to be soft (not to me though as I'm a limit player and NL is hard for me lol), not sure about the tourneys, but I also see that the rake is really high on the cash games so I'm not sure if it's worth playing EOH either. :/ Not sure what the rake is on the tourneys though, that might be worth it.
Borun Tal Minmatar Spacepods Inc	Posted - 2010.08.10 17:58:00 - [27] Edited by: Borun Tal on 10/08/2010 18:00:21 What are you offering in collateral for the isk? "If I win" is a joke... Tell ya what: I'll give you 500mil in exchange for a Rattlesnake or Machariel as collateral. If you win, you pay me 750mil, and you get back the collateral. That's fair.
Gabriel Virtus hirr	Posted - 2010.08.11 09:15:00 - [28] Edited by: Gabriel Virtus on 11/08/2010 09:15:40 So you want us to finance your buy-in and in return, we only get 150% of our loan back? This doesn't account for the chances that 1) you are a scammer or 2) you simply lose the tournament. Also, the items you listed as what your money is tied up in could be used as collateral. If you win as much as you say, it would be crazy to have ANY money on your trading alt as you would do much better simply playing tournaments. Cute, although ridiculous. You are right, this "loan" isn't for everyone... just the incredibly stupid or people with literally no desire to keep any of their isk. If anyone reading is thinking about giving this guy a chance, I could offer you a much much better offer ;) -GV
clixor	Posted - 2010.08.11 09:41:00 - [29] Originally by: Dzil So... +50% if you win, -100% if you lose. You're basically advertising you win more than 66% of games at those odds to break even. If you're that good, why are you broke? Even assuming OP has above average poker skills, the odds will stack against him for the simple reasons that IF you're playing with your last isk this influences the way you play. You'll play tighter (take less risks). You are probably (well, i'm a regular so i know this for a fact) against multi-billionaires who play more aggressive (right tactic for DT's). Ofcourse, there is a luck factor involved, but considering these circumstances i would give the OP a 30 - 40% chance to win. On a side note, if i show a detailed record to MD of 80% wins on EOH tournament games, would people be interested in investing?
Richard Christy	Posted - 2010.08.11 09:56:00 - [30] ibtl



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