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Mra Rednu
Black Watch Guard
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Posted - 2012.07.26 07:44:00 -
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Nut up or shut up sonny but don't slag off those who do fight. |
Pinky Feldman
Gank Bangers
Moar Tears
228
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Posted - 2012.07.26 10:24:00 -
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The current state of the Amarr/Minmatar warzone is not one that can be measured in the metrics you propose in your original post. The truth is, while the Minmatar flag might fly over many of the systems, I would argue that the Minmatar are being used more like slaves than ever before.
Everything you see regarding the current state of the warzone has been foreseen according to plan.
The moar you cry the less you pee |
Lyskal Oskold
Sefem Ortus
Swift Angels Alliance
541
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Posted - 2012.07.26 11:22:00 -
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Pinky Feldman wrote:The current state of the Amarr/Minmatar warzone is not one that can be measured in the metrics you propose in your original post. The truth is, while the Minmatar flag might fly over many of the systems, I would argue that the Minmatar are being used more like slaves than ever before.Everything you see regarding the current state of the warzone has been foreseen according to plan.
(Wednesday, July 18, 2012)
Oh no... We've been used!
*looks at wallet and at the future fights to come, which the Minmatar have been craving*
Yeah, we've been used.
Pirates are red, buddies are blue, if you're unlucky enough to be orange, I'll f*cking kill you.I wonder if all the pickles in the forums are tax exempt? |
Azdan Amith
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
55
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Posted - 2012.07.26 12:05:00 -
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It is a wonder, really. One could almost argue that the timely withdraw from the militia wars by entities such as PIE was the most honorable and loyal thing they could have done given the decline into base greed and system manipulation being practiced by so-called loyal capsuleers on both sides of the conflict.
Playing with lives for profit that you will only then spend to throw away more lives.
There is much work to be done. |
Henry Kaine
Royal Amarr Institute
9
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Posted - 2012.07.26 15:10:00 -
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Azdan Amith wrote:Henry Kaine wrote:
Perhaps you'd like to enjoy the perspective of a slave chained to the floor of a jet can floating in space. It would be quite enlightening for you.
The only perspective I would gain from this would be further insight into the depravity of the one committing such an act.
Because this never happens in Amarr space, right? Every slave is treated with dignity and respect? |
Amaki Mai
Redanni
12
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Posted - 2012.07.26 15:19:00 -
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Henry Kaine wrote:
Because this never happens in Amarr space, right? Every slave is treated with dignity and respect?
It's fascinating. The posts LOOK like they're in response to somebody elses, but in fact they never address what the other person has said and simply recycle the same few lines AGAIN and AGAIN ad nauseum.
It's like a poorly written online marketing script. |
Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
461
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Posted - 2012.07.26 15:29:00 -
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Los Muertas wrote:If we win every victory from now until the time the last sun goes out in the cluster and the Amarr still hold our people, then we have lost. Systems do not matter if we do not have our kin.
Finally, someone else notices that this is a war without purpose or end... |
Azdan Amith
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
56
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Posted - 2012.07.26 15:53:00 -
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Henry Kaine wrote:
Because this never happens in Amarr space, right? Every slave is treated with dignity and respect?
This will be my last response to you because you are not interested in discussion.
Sadly, mistreatment of slaves does happen in the Empire. We have laws and a penal system in place for when it does happen and it still reveals the depravity and unrighteousness of the one committing the act. My words remain unchanged and yours remain filled with bitterness, hostility and ignorance.
I will be in prayer for your soul as it wanders apart from the truth. It is evident you have been wounded deeply in the past by sins committed against you or by you and I will pray those wounds mend with time and guidance. |
Los Muertas
Mir'Mulnir Tribe
53
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Posted - 2012.07.26 18:10:00 -
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Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:Los Muertas wrote:If we win every victory from now until the time the last sun goes out in the cluster and the Amarr still hold our people, then we have lost. Systems do not matter if we do not have our kin. Finally, someone else notices that this is a war without purpose or end...
Make no mistake good sir, I will continue to fight the war and this war may have a purpose if we (the matari) can make the war so expensive, tedious or cumbersome that the Amarr are forced to come to the table with the freedom of our people as one of the points on a peace initiative. If I were at that table I would even be willing to cede all of the contested zones in exchange for all of our people, and yes I can already hear the cries of "traitor" as I speak.
To make this war about territory, or kills, wins and loses is to make this war pointless. I love killing, it is my art, my profession but even I am able to see that wars should only ever be fought for people. To save them, to free them, to seize resources that they need to thrive. The war, as it stands, is pointless but alas it is the only tool we have available so I will continue to use this hammer to beat my enemies until my people are free.
Thesis on Tribal Traditionalism |
Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
462
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Posted - 2012.07.26 18:23:00 -
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Los Muertas wrote:Make no mistake good sir, I will continue to fight the war and this war may have a purpose if we (the matari) can make the war so expensive, tedious or cumbersome that the Amarr are forced to come to the table with the freedom of our people as one of the points on a peace initiative. If I were at that table I would even be willing to cede all of the contested zones in exchange for all of our people, and yes I can already hear the cries of "traitor" as I speak.
To make this war about territory, or kills, wins and loses is to make this war pointless. I love killing, it is my art, my profession but even I am able to see that wars should only ever be fought for people. To save them, to free them, to seize resources that they need to thrive. The war, as it stands, is pointless but alas it is the only tool we have available so I will continue to use this hammer to beat my enemies until my people are free.
But the Amarr have already outsmarted you in this regard. They're not fighting nearly as heavily as you are. In fact, they're making you lose the expenses, and suffer the tedium and cumbersome nature of factional warfare. They've effectively allowed you to control the star systems in question, stretching the Republic's administrative budgets to the breaking point as they try to install pro-Republic governments on worlds quite likely to outright reject them, while they themselves conserve their power and maintain the absolute security of their borders.
You may be an expert at killing, but you've been thrown a bone... and look how eagerly you gnaw upon it. You celebrate capturing a bunch of meaningless systems, and gain no greater strategic footing against the Amarr by holding them - can you tell me that the space you control in factional warfare permits you to rescue your people from the Throne worlds, where the bulk of their population is concentrated? Of course not.
I'm pretty good with foresight. A blessing sometimes, a curse most times. I can see where the balance of terror truly lies. And I can predict with fair accuracy that the original incursion by the Thukkers into Amarr space will be repaid. Jamyl wasn't kidding when she stated any acts against the Empire will be answered in equal... I'm betting she's just waiting for the best of your killers to grow weary of the constant stream of non-victories and non-conquests.
It's what I would do, were I in her position. She is one of the few strategic minds I truly admire. |
Los Muertas
Mir'Mulnir Tribe
53
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Posted - 2012.07.26 18:56:00 -
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Mr. Shogaatsu is of course right that this war is very much pointless on the surface, and that the Minmatar have yet to face the Amarr Navy. The only point of this war is to demoralize Amarr citizenry. Keep in mind that the "empire" is only just now becoming an empire again, it hasnt been a true empire since the times of Heideran VII and in the absence of an Emperor the Amarr have become weak, liberal and now seemingly pay lip service to their God by and large. They may have cheered at the return of their Dark Queen but I sense that when rubber hits the road, and it comes time to truely trade their new found freedoms, individuality and return to a harder, more pious life style they will call for the return of parliamentary rule.
The key turning point will be the inevitable reprisal of the Empress. If she succeeds then you are correct, she will have a reinvigorated, energized and devoted nation that will not only cripple, if not crush the Republic but also lay waste to much of New Eden as we know it. However, if we (the Minmatar) can, right out of the gate hit them hard enough to let them know that we broke their nose in the first swing, then the religious ferver will turn against the Empress.
We Free Nefantar have a fighting style that we have developed called Joten'hule based and streamlined on many Intaki, Caldari and Minmatar fighting styles. Its philosophy is to allow larger more powerful opponents to use their own size and strength against them. Grappling, using the enemes inertia as power to multiply the damage of a weak slap into thunderous back hands, dodging and weaving and generally allowing the enemy to become winded and then committing full on to an attack.
This of course is nothing new to the Minmatar, this is how we have always fought. We have historically been pack hunters and strike from shadows and returning to the shadows before a counter can be laid. But as you have pointed out, and correctly I might add, recently we have begun to adopt larger more "in your face" attitude to combat and I fear this may be a cause for concern, especially when the Tribal Liberation Forces are face with not 24th IG mobs but rather the Imperial Navy.
Thesis on Tribal Traditionalism |
Amaki Mai
Redanni
13
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Posted - 2012.07.26 20:46:00 -
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I can tell you, right now, that it will take a LOT more than losses in the petty Faction War to cause the Empire to turn against the Empress. The Elders truly had no idea what kind of a weapon they forged for her when they launched their illegal and shortsighted attack into the Empire proper.
I imagine, as they fled in the smoking remains of their fleet, that they fancied she would turn that weapon upon them and pursue them to destruction, but instead she turned it upon her TRUE enemy. The Corruption of the Chancellor, which she swept away in glorious apotheosis.
I remain convinced that Empress Jamyl's restructuring and reshaping of the Empire is FAR from over. |
Los Muertas
Mir'Mulnir Tribe
53
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Posted - 2012.07.26 21:14:00 -
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Ms. Mai, I applaud you on your beliefs, the world needs believers, though from my rather biased view less of the ones you represent. In your faith you see the Elders Invasion as a failure and indeed in many respects it was. What could have been a devastating raid was turned into a cluster .... because we saw one woman which we wished to kill and began to foam at the mouth instead of staying on task, however you discount the purge of parliament, the reunification of the Seven and the revelation that the Elders still existed.
True believers like you will of course never be swayed by one or one thousand battles, however true believers like you are a rarity in your nation now as made evident by the person who began this conversation's desire to bash the 24th for its lack of progress but his unwillingness to join the cause, the fact that PIE is now AWOL, Wolfsbrigade is allied with the Gallente and that the once mighty Empire, who would snub its nose at the likes of Mordu, Fatal and the Rabbit and all the other despot nations, now welcomes Nulli Secunda as their saviors. Your list of believers grows short my dear whilst the Elders Invasion, while a tactical blunder, has spawned legion within the Tribes.
So I say again, one good blow and all the weekend believers whom hail Sarum while revolt leaving only a handful of believers like yourself where as in the Tribes, we are all believers now.
Thesis on Tribal Traditionalism |
Amaki Mai
Redanni
13
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Posted - 2012.07.26 21:25:00 -
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I think it is a mistake to conflate the Capsuleers of the Empire with the people of the Empire. It is easy for lazy demi-gods to grow apathetic. I also think you mistake the apathy for the Faction War with apathy towards an invasion of the Empire's heartlands.
Your fury is certainly evident and I'm sure that many of your tribesmen and women share it. From my experience fighting pirates I know how easy it is to look the other way as Control Towers, Hab Units and other infrastructure are targetted and blown away. You may assume that the people of the Empire know what their fate would be should the Matari Militia gain access to Empire space.
Similarly, it is one thing for jaded and cosmopolitan Capsuleers or cynical Lords Holder to be dubious about Her Imperial Majesty's reformation of the Empire, but this is far from the way the Navy sees things, or the Theocracy. Personally I don't think that the Militia is the part of the Empire that is most in need of Reformation and if I see the Empire as being less obsessed with the Matari than the Matari seem to be with us, I don't think that's unhealthy on our part.
I hope to see the Empire reforged before I see the Militia reforged. |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilta Nera
313
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Posted - 2012.07.27 00:30:00 -
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I believe the phrase all of you are looking for is "Panem Et Circenses." [ Bread and Circuses ]
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Amaki Mai
Redanni
13
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Posted - 2012.07.27 03:20:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:I believe the phrase all of you are looking for is "Panem Et Circenses." [ Bread and Circuses ]
That's a good phrase, but since the FW is more about the Elite, Capsuleers, and less about the great unwashed masses, perhaps it would be better to say "Filet Mignon and Opera"? |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilta Nera
313
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Posted - 2012.07.27 16:33:00 -
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Amaki Mai wrote:Silas Vitalia wrote:I believe the phrase all of you are looking for is "Panem Et Circenses." [ Bread and Circuses ]
That's a good phrase, but since the FW is more about the Elite, Capsuleers, and less about the great unwashed masses, perhaps it would be better to say "Filet Mignon and Opera"?
You should take another look at the majority of militia pilots and reconsider your definition of "elite" and who the "unwashed masses" are.
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Amaki Mai
Redanni
13
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Posted - 2012.07.27 16:46:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:
You should take another look at the majority of militia pilots and reconsider your definition of "elite" and who the "unwashed masses" are.
I'm not terribly familiar with the personal hygiene of militia pilots but I DID spend a number of summers on a farm as a child. I know what unwashed smells like. |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
Shaktipat Revelators
359
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Posted - 2012.07.27 17:33:00 -
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Amaki Mai wrote:Silas Vitalia wrote:I believe the phrase all of you are looking for is "Panem Et Circenses." [ Bread and Circuses ]
That's a good phrase, but since the FW is more about the Elite, Capsuleers, and less about the great unwashed masses, perhaps it would be better to say "Filet Mignon and Opera"?
You are also mistaking who the faction war is aimed towards appeasing. The great masses called out that "something must be done", and recognizing that to actually do something would be to push the four empires into an unceasing war of destruction, they signed a treaty to make limited engagements involving capsuleer proxies the norm. This satisfies the baseliner braying in anger, and conveinently also keeps a large number of dangerous and violent capsuleers shooting something other than the home planets of the empires.
Too bad it costs so many lives. |
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