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Lucas Raholan
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Posted - 2012.07.24 21:45:00 -
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Having recently payed attention to FW statistics and roamed through the contested region between the Amarr and Minmater I have been appalled at the Amarrain nations inability to hold onto anything let alone take anything.
Almost as soon as I leave amarian high sec into low I appear in Minmater controlled space, local completely empty bar the odd pirate and no sign of our militia, the Tribal's in there rust buckets openly discuss our shambles of a militia.
This has called myself to question our ability to fight, upon last checking we controlled a meager 4 systems in the contested territory with Minmater forces encroaching from all sides. Have we just given up or is this a new strategy among my Amarr cousins, to simply let people beneath us if not in culture then In technology walk all over us, how much further are we going to let the Minmater shame us in defeat after defeat. Without a proper defense they will soon have there fleets above our throne worlds once more taken those who have worked so hard towards their enlightenment, where they will finally become one with out faith and walk among us.
Jamyl can only save us once, we still don't fully understand how she destroyed the elder fleet the first time, rumors range from the might of God himself to Jovian technology.
And reports are even coming through regarding the mere mortal ground troops, those without the immortal powers of the capsuleers are abandoning the fight, not those expected to be low on morale but those with high morale, those with a pure talent simply going MIA. Clearly once they see us immortals retreating in either fear or lack of morale they understandably view it as the end and leave before there mortal lives are cut short by the rampaging Minmater.
Amarr get together, get organised and fight back
Lucas Raholan The diffrence between WoW and EVE is that in WoW a fellow player will help you gain vaulable items and then go on their merry way.
The same happens in EVE, only once you have the items the fellow player beats the cr*p out of you and takes them. |

Rall Mekin
Ganked And T Bagged
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Posted - 2012.07.24 22:25:00 -
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Not surprising, considering Amarr has been in decline for quite some time. |

Henry Kaine
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Posted - 2012.07.24 22:59:00 -
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Wars fought with words and egotism seldom last long. With the barbarians at the gates, the rulling class simply does nothing but pontificate on and on about the power of their god.
Prayers don't kill, well positioned munitions do. Violence is an easier religion to follow. |

Azdan Amith
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
33
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Posted - 2012.07.25 00:19:00 -
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Henry Kaine wrote:Wars fought with words and egotism seldom last long. With the barbarians at the gates, the rulling class simply does nothing but pontificate on and on about the power of their god.
Prayers don't kill, well positioned munitions do. Violence is an easier religion to follow.
Easier is not always right, Mister Kaine. The Empire is not filled with idle chatter about the power of God and the negligence of the threat at our door. The Empire is facing a period of tribulation at present, with trials ahead but we are not laying down our arms and we are not defeated. |

Henry Kaine
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2012.07.25 01:19:00 -
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Azdan Amith wrote:Henry Kaine wrote:Wars fought with words and egotism seldom last long. With the barbarians at the gates, the rulling class simply does nothing but pontificate on and on about the power of their god.
Prayers don't kill, well positioned munitions do. Violence is an easier religion to follow. Easier is not always right, Mister Kaine. The Empire is not filled with idle chatter about the power of God and the negligence of the threat at our door. The Empire is facing a period of tribulation at present, with trials ahead but we are not laying down our arms and we are not defeated.
Could've fooled me. |

Azdan Amith
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.07.25 01:32:00 -
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Henry Kaine wrote:Could've fooled me.
I suspect that's a short trip.
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Henry Kaine
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2012.07.25 01:38:00 -
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Azdan Amith wrote:Henry Kaine wrote:Could've fooled me. I suspect that's a short trip.
Don't you have a sky god to go pray to? Or is it now that you've sacrificed your spine to organized religion, your flopping about is making it hard to do things? |

Azdan Amith
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.07.25 02:35:00 -
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I should warn you so you don't waste any more of your time, you can't anger me with idle words and instigation. I pray to God frequently and fervently yet still find time to accomplish things, as you eloquently put it. |

Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost
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Posted - 2012.07.25 02:57:00 -
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Speaking of the viewpoint of an outsider with sources, the Amarr Militia itself has been suffering from multiple social-organizational problems that combine to seriously damage its effectiveness as a fighting force in addition to driving many capable capsuleers out due to the inhospitable behavior of fellow Crusaders, or so I have heard at least. Furthermore, the TLF was able to organize and take advantage of some of these issues, having been able to sustain a high level of operational readiness for an extended period of time and then leverage that to not only take large amounts of territory from the Amarr, but hold a resilient battle line as well. Furthermore, CONCORD's recent changes to the directives governing the militia wars unintentionally further tipped the situation in the favor of the Minmatar Militia.
If the original poster wishes to contact me via a private channel to discuss the "shop" matters related to technological evolution within the cluster that have impacted the effectiveness of Amarrian vessels, he is free to do so. |

Lyskal Oskold
Sefem Ortus Swift Angels Alliance
486
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Posted - 2012.07.25 03:33:00 -
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The Imperial Crusaders I encounter usually flee and attempt to return in a fleet composed of larger, more technologically advanced vessels to assure an easy victory, which leads to the Minmatar avoiding them so as to avoid pointless losses. At least that happens when you can actually find them. At the moment we're attempting to lure the 24th into pushing their lines forward so we actually have substantial targets. Difficult to dance with someone if they refuse to get on the stage.
I've heard one of large groups from lawless space is going to attempt to join the 24th Imperial Crusade in an effort to take advantage of their reward scheme. Let's hope their behavior won't lead to another stain on the 24th's honor like the failure of the mass produced Thrasher infusion another group tried... Crusaders are wonderful opponents, they're just rare. The more common war profiteers tend to bring the chances of any possible conversation or fair engagement down though.
The Amarr need more man power and to lose the common thought process that you need battleships and battlecruisers to engage some frigates and a destroyer or two. Pirates are red, buddies are blue, if you're unlucky enough to be orange, I'll f*cking kill you.I wonder if all the pickles in the forums are tax exempt? |

Azdan Amith
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
37
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Posted - 2012.07.25 03:38:00 -
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Lyskal Oskold wrote: Crusaders are wonderful opponents, they're just rare. The more common war profiteers tend to bring the chances of any possible conversation or fair engagement down though.
The Amarr need more man power and to lose the common thought process that you need battleships and battlecruisers to engage some frigates and a destroyer or two.
This is an interesting viewpoint. While I may not condone combat for combat's sake or sport, I respect and admire those seeking an honorable engagement. Perhaps we will meet on the field of battle one day. |

Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
456
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Posted - 2012.07.25 03:48:00 -
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It's simple. The Amarr are a wise people. They've seen the absolute pointlessness of this... circus-war.
Why fight a war with no objectives, no victories, no consequences and no end? The star systems in question have changed hands a dozen times before. Holding them doesn't give the Minmatar any sort of advantage. They won't dare step outside the CONCORD-sanctioned killing grounds, and if they try another invasion of the Throne worlds, I foresee it being about as successful as the last attempt. |

Lyskal Oskold
Sefem Ortus Swift Angels Alliance
486
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Posted - 2012.07.25 04:01:00 -
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Azdan Amith wrote:Lyskal Oskold wrote: Crusaders are wonderful opponents, they're just rare. The more common war profiteers tend to bring the chances of any possible conversation or fair engagement down though.
The Amarr need more man power and to lose the common thought process that you need battleships and battlecruisers to engage some frigates and a destroyer or two.
This is an interesting viewpoint. While I may not condone combat for combat's sake or sport, I respect and admire those seeking an honorable engagement. Perhaps we will meet on the field of battle one day.
Hopefully. It's a war that has to be waged, from either side. To abandon honor is to become a monster. It's a shame so many profiteers have entered the conflict either side. I know the common capsuleer only cares about ISK, but it still aggravates me seeing them seep into Empire matters. Hopefully they'll return into the lawless abyss and continue their horrendous crimes out there until a time when the 4 Empires can expand outwards. That could be an interesting turn of events... But I understand all 4 Empires are preoccupied with other matters.
The Amarr vs Minmatar conflict is a battle to the very foundations of what either stands for. The Minmatar must ride their hatred and thirst for vengeance until we're completely free, or we'll collapse into despair. The Amarr must push back and attempt to purify us and bring us back into the fold lest their entire faith and communal soul fails, they can't possibly fall.
Despite the immense emotion and the common view that slavery is flat out evil this conflict is far from black and white. Amarr should rally behind that fact. If the Amarr Empire truly is the only hope to save Humanity, their resolve must be absolute and their drive unstoppable. For all we know if the Amarr fail countless souls will never reach Heaven. It saddens me that Amarr seems to have the least amount of loyalists among capsuleers. The Empire should consider uplifting Amarr who actually behave like Amarr. Pirates are red, buddies are blue, if you're unlucky enough to be orange, I'll f*cking kill you.I wonder if all the pickles in the forums are tax exempt? |

Amaki Mai
Redanni
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Posted - 2012.07.25 05:22:00 -
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I wish there was a charismatic leader and an inspirational organisation to rally behind. |

Mekhana
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
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Posted - 2012.07.25 05:24:00 -
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Henry Kaine wrote:Wars fought with words and egotism seldom last long. With the barbarians at the gates, the rulling class simply does nothing but pontificate on and on about the power of their god.
Prayers don't kill, well positioned munitions do. Violence is an easier religion to follow.
An Amarr with common sense. Look at that. |

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1043
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Posted - 2012.07.25 07:05:00 -
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Perhaps if Mr Raholan feels that strongly he should leave the Imperial Academy and sign up with the militia.
I look forward to hearing about his progress. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2012.07.25 07:16:00 -
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I liken the problem in Amarr to a lack of volunteers.
I was in Amarr some time ago and hit up an agent for a mission. They wanted me to prove my loyalty by taking a cargo of slaves.
Needless to say I didn't stay there for long. |

Lucas Raholan
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Posted - 2012.07.25 08:07:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:Perhaps if Mr Raholan feels that strongly he should leave the Imperial Academy and sign up with the militia.
I look forward to hearing about his progress.
Given the Militias clear lack of direction and myself not being the one to bring it there would be no advantage in joining the militia at this point in time...a few dedicated pilots cannot resist a well organised and motivated enemy (as much as It pains to admit that).
Until such time when the Amarr finds itself a competent fighting force I will monitor the developments from the side. The diffrence between WoW and EVE is that in WoW a fellow player will help you gain vaulable items and then go on their merry way.
The same happens in EVE, only once you have the items the fellow player beats the cr*p out of you and takes them. |

Markius TheShed
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
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Posted - 2012.07.25 08:27:00 -
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Lucas Raholan wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:Perhaps if Mr Raholan feels that strongly he should leave the Imperial Academy and sign up with the militia.
I look forward to hearing about his progress. Until such time when the Amarr finds itself a competent fighting force I will monitor the developments from the side.
You will be able to keep Rodj company as he is monitoring the situation from providence. **Murientor Tribe** Killing Slavers, Ammatar and Nafantar Traitors since YC107 |

Lyn Farel
Kitzless
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Posted - 2012.07.25 11:05:00 -
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Lyskal Oskold wrote:The Imperial Crusaders I encounter usually flee and attempt to return in a fleet composed of larger, more technologically advanced vessels to assure an easy victory, which leads to the Minmatar avoiding them so as to avoid pointless losses. At least that happens when you can actually find them.
Yes, I heard that is what they say on the opposing team as well. It was already the case when I was enlisted and has never changed. Most of the militia is composed of juvenile hypocrites.
Lyskal Oskold wrote:Azdan Amith wrote:Lyskal Oskold wrote: Crusaders are wonderful opponents, they're just rare. The more common war profiteers tend to bring the chances of any possible conversation or fair engagement down though.
The Amarr need more man power and to lose the common thought process that you need battleships and battlecruisers to engage some frigates and a destroyer or two.
This is an interesting viewpoint. While I may not condone combat for combat's sake or sport, I respect and admire those seeking an honorable engagement. Perhaps we will meet on the field of battle one day. Hopefully. It's a war that has to be waged, from either side. To abandon honor is to become a monster. It's a shame so many profiteers have entered the conflict either side. I know the common capsuleer only cares about ISK, but it still aggravates me seeing them seep into Empire matters. Hopefully they'll return into the lawless abyss and continue their horrendous crimes out there until a time when the 4 Empires can expand outwards. That could be an interesting turn of events... But I understand all 4 Empires are preoccupied with other matters. The Amarr vs Minmatar conflict is a battle to the very foundations of what either stands for. The Minmatar must ride their hatred and thirst for vengeance until we're completely free, or we'll collapse into despair. The Amarr must push back and attempt to purify us and bring us back into the fold lest their entire faith and communal soul fails, they can't possibly fall. Despite the immense emotion and the common view that slavery is flat out evil this conflict is far from black and white. Amarr should rally behind that fact. If the Amarr Empire truly is the only hope to save Humanity, their resolve must be absolute and their drive unstoppable. For all we know if the Amarr fail countless souls will never reach Heaven. It saddens me that Amarr seems to have the least amount of loyalists among capsuleers. The Empire should consider uplifting Amarr who actually behave like Amarr.
Sorry, but I do believe that your idealism is highly misplaced. Shogaatsu's view on things sounds more reasonable to me. At least, that is the conclusion I have come to after 3 years of militia. I already knew it was pointless, but I had the hope to push for the statu quo. Now though, it sounds pointless considering the sheer stupidity of each side.
Lucas Raholan wrote:.a few dedicated pilots cannot resist a well organised and motivated enemy (as much as It pains to admit that).
The TLF has never been organized, only motivated, but it may have changed by now. It has more or less been a bunch of ragtags unable to resist to the side that was actually organized and disciplined, as much as such a thing is possible in a militia. In three years of fighting, I have rarely been in a fleet that actually lost, even outnumbnered 2 to one. It is for a reason that the 24th IC was famous for its cohesion and organization.
Where the TLF has always compensated that fact was on skirmishes or especially in complexes.
Now though, since all the core corporations have left, it would seem that the Crudsade is only the shadow of its past. And even shadow is too nice to qualify what it has become now.
Of course, now, the new system proposed by CONCORD only made it worse as much as for the Amarr/Minmatar side than for the Caldari/Gallente side. It pushed the militias in a constructed mutual stalemate where their members do not even try anymore to capture vulnerable systems to keep up what they call "loyalty farming". It is an additional proof of how rotten the system is, and what kind of parasites really constitute the bulk of the militias manpower. |

Azdan Amith
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
38
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Posted - 2012.07.25 11:17:00 -
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Amaki Mai wrote:I wish there was a charismatic leader and an inspirational organisation to rally behind.
Perhaps such a desire will be met in due time, Miss Mai. |

Ava Starfire
Skadi's Call Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
369
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Posted - 2012.07.25 11:54:00 -
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My, my.
When the enemy is at your gate, how different a perspective it is, eh? |

Azdan Amith
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
38
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Posted - 2012.07.25 11:57:00 -
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Ava Starfire wrote:My, my.
When the enemy is at your gate, how different a perspective it is, eh?
Wisdom is gained from examining various perspectives. In this, perhaps an opportunity for the Empire to gain a new perspective is a blessing in disguise. |

Lucas Raholan
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Posted - 2012.07.25 20:37:00 -
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Azdan Amith wrote:Ava Starfire wrote:My, my.
When the enemy is at your gate, how different a perspective it is, eh? Wisdom is gained from examining various perspectives. In this, perhaps an opportunity for the Empire to gain a new perspective is a blessing in disguise.
I am agreed on this....history shows us that the Amarr have only adapted to new threats when they have faced a crisis of untold proportions as seen in our history with the Jove and the subsequent Minmater Rebellion (undoubtedly the Jove most likely had a hand in that) .
This new crisis point may prove to redefine how the Amarr approaches it's war, perhaps using more strategy and wit then the old school 'win through superior firepower and overwhelming numbers' which we have seen so much of in our Empires past. The diffrence between WoW and EVE is that in WoW a fellow player will help you gain vaulable items and then go on their merry way.
The same happens in EVE, only once you have the items the fellow player beats the cr*p out of you and takes them. |

Henry Kaine
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2012.07.25 22:43:00 -
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Azdan Amith wrote:Ava Starfire wrote:My, my.
When the enemy is at your gate, how different a perspective it is, eh? Wisdom is gained from examining various perspectives. In this, perhaps an opportunity for the Empire to gain a new perspective is a blessing in disguise.
Perhaps you'd like to enjoy the perspective of a slave chained to the floor of a jet can floating in space. It would be quite enlightening for you. |

Azdan Amith
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.07.25 23:32:00 -
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Henry Kaine wrote:
Perhaps you'd like to enjoy the perspective of a slave chained to the floor of a jet can floating in space. It would be quite enlightening for you.
The only perspective I would gain from this would be further insight into the depravity of the one committing such an act. |

Lyskal Oskold
Sefem Ortus Swift Angels Alliance
511
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Posted - 2012.07.25 23:54:00 -
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I thought the Amarr philosophy was about uplifting Humanity. Sounds like someone might be getting dragged out of their pod in station by Templar soon. Pirates are red, buddies are blue, if you're unlucky enough to be orange, I'll f*cking kill you.I wonder if all the pickles in the forums are tax exempt? |

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1044
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Posted - 2012.07.26 02:33:00 -
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Lucas Raholan wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:Perhaps if Mr Raholan feels that strongly he should leave the Imperial Academy and sign up with the militia.
I look forward to hearing about his progress. Given the Militias clear lack of direction and myself not being the one to bring it there would be no advantage in joining the militia at this point in time...a few dedicated pilots cannot resist a well organised and motivated enemy (as much as It pains to admit that). Until such time when the Amarr finds itself a competent fighting force I will monitor the developments from the side.
So you'll happily insult other pilots for not joining the 24th IC whilst refusing to join it yourself.
I'm glad we've cleared that up.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Condor Amarr
Black Watch Guard
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Posted - 2012.07.26 05:39:00 -
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The fact this is being discussed here is further proof that our tactic is working. It is certainly accurate that we 'control' very few systems (3 at last count). Having said that, we have over 12 that are in a state of vulnerability. This actually serves us better than taking the systems back. Whilst the Minmatar hordes are numerically superior to us, we do have the tactical advantage. Have so many vulnerable systems means that they are unable to simply 'farm' the complexes for reward.
This has been no secret and its refreshing that someone has gotten so much sand in their lady parts that they feel the need to use a neutral third party to raise it here .
Whilst Amarr could always use more loyal capsuleers to ensure the safety of the Empire, I wouldn't worry too much about the statistics. In my experience, those who use numbers to decide who's won are rarely the of people who are needed for combat action anyway.
Oh and to the guy who said that all we do is run and dock up, feel free to stop by Black Watch Guard's Forward Operating Base. We'll be happy to show you how Amarr undocks. |

Los Muertas
Mir'Mulnir Tribe
51
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Posted - 2012.07.26 06:46:00 -
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What saddens me the most is that despite the Amarr's ability to win a victory it is truely the Minmatar whom are losing this war. On paper we look good, we hold systems, we have the confirmed kills and all the markings of victors, but the one goal by which most Matari would measure victory is as elusive now as it ever was, and that is the freedom of our people and the end of slavery.
If we win every victory from now until the time the last sun goes out in the cluster and the Amarr still hold our people, then we have lost. Systems do not matter if we do not have our kin. Thesis on Tribal Traditionalism |
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