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Rek Jaiga
Crimson Path
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Posted - 2011.09.23 17:39:00 -
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Hello everyone. I usually don't make out-of-character posts (I'm a roleplayer). But recent events have inspired me to rant.
I've been active in the roleplay community for the better part of a year now. I really enjoy it and have had fun with it so far, and probably will for the foreseeable future. There are some, however, who are not having quite as much fun in the RP community for various reasons.
One such person who has come to me personally is the player of Lyris Nairn of GoonSwarm. Lyris, as a Goon, has only recently begun RPing and chatting in the OoC channel. As a player though Lyris has been RPing for quite awhle actually, and IC Lyris was actually active in the community prior to being a Goon (and reportedly a well-liked character, to boot). So I find myself a bit baffled whenever there's this huge drama llama bubbling up in OoC chat whenever Lyris decides to speak.
Lyris seems very well-read and intelligent, so of course the conversations that come up in OoC chat tend to be of that same sort of nature. Tensions run high, and disagreements are formed. This is completely natural and expected whenever talking about things like real-life politics or philosophy or what-have-you. But why hold grudges?
Maybe I'm just stupidly tolerant and patient but whenever someone logs in and gives the usual "o/" in OoC, regardless of whether or not we had a heated discussion the previous night I greet them in a friendly manner. I'm not like "Oh it's you, that {insert ideology that I disagree with here}". Yes, Lyris has the ability to bombard a channel with a wall of text containing four or five syllable words. Should such lengthy and formal discussions be held in a separate channel? Perhaps, but that's not why I think people are angry. I think people perceive Lyris (and the Goons in general) as people who live and breathe trolling and tear consumption 23/7, and so for those people there's a level of distrust involved with any interaction with Goons. Perhaps you were podded one too many times by a Goon, or got ganked or something. Maybe you got frustrated in channel. But this does not justify prejuidice! There are plenty of other groups that do these sorts of things! Yeah, I was podded multiple times in Delve by a Goon named jm24. Do I hold a grudge? No! This is InternetSpaceships, and I was bested by superior tactics and/or numbers. I similarly ask of those who have grudges against Goons in general: do you hate PL, Wildly Inapropriate, or other groups that have frustrated you?
If you answered "yes" to any or all of those, then I question why you are playing a game as unforgiving as EVE Online.
I know this wasn't a very coherent post, and perhaps I'm missing what Lyris was trying to point out entirely. But please try to understand what I'm getting at: chill the hell out and recognize that this is a game, and in this game we will run into players of all ideologies and backgrounds. Holding prejuidices is completely pointless, especially if such prejuidices lead to an hour-long heated argument that results in more bitterness than changed minds or enlightenment.
As an additional aside, I do encourage you to check out the SA forums, particularly the "Debate and Discussion" area. Reading through it, you'll find that Goons aren't the trolls most think them to be (as trolling is in fact against their rules).
Peace. |
Abrazzar
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Posted - 2011.09.23 17:43:00 -
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You made a thread about the goons.
They have just won and you lost. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. |
Rek Jaiga
Crimson Path
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Posted - 2011.09.23 17:47:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:You made a thread about the goons.
They have just won and you lost.
Except I'm not raging against Goons, but rather I'm raging for their right to go about things undiscriminated simply because of their alliance ticker.
I'm acting as a temporary LawyerBee. |
Ladie Scarlet
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.23 17:48:00 -
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Roleplayers are the worst. They are a cancer in every MMO they infest and should be driven out as quickly as possible. Lyris Nairn is a goddamn Goon hero. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
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Posted - 2011.09.23 17:54:00 -
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Ladie Scarlet wrote:Roleplayers are the worst. They are a cancer in every MMO they infest and should be driven out as quickly as possible. Lyris Nairn is a goddamn Goon hero.
.... Lyris Nairn IS the rollplayer....
so wait, goons rollplay now???
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Ladie Scarlet
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.23 18:05:00 -
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wtf is a rollplayer The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2011.09.23 18:07:00 -
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As far as i know goon pilots don't do things the way they do because they are goons... they are goons because they are pilots who already did the things they do in the first place. Its an alliance composed of special people.
And there is no OoC when you're using your avatar name. Except for me, since i'm a very boring person and my avatar name is the same as my real life name. So i can personally attack people and then say i was only acting In-Character. |
Abrazzar
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Posted - 2011.09.23 18:10:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:Its an alliance composed of special needs people. FIFY Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. |
Mara Tessidar
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.23 18:10:00 -
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This thread is so utterly, utterly pointless. Honourable space pilot and anti-pirate. |
Rek Jaiga
Crimson Path
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Posted - 2011.09.23 20:44:00 -
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Ladie Scarlet, no. Roleplayers aren't the cancer of every MMO. It's pig-headedness and arrogance that we should watch out for.
My basic point was that there were people judging another player based off their alliance ticker, and that bothers me.
Mara, this thread is only pointless if no other RPers read it. I've linked it in the OoC chat channel and hope to maximize exposure, but the cynical side of me tells me that no one in the RP community will bother and will continue holding prejudices against Goons. Again, there's this misconception that you all live and breathe trolling and are The Big Bad, whereas the truth is simply that you're a group of players that happens to already be an established community (Something Awful) complete with its own rules and sub-culture. |
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Holy One
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2011.09.23 21:06:00 -
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Rek Jaiga wrote:Hello everyone. I usually don't make out-of-character posts (I'm a roleplayer)..
lol
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Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
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Posted - 2011.09.23 21:10:00 -
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Ladie Scarlet wrote:wtf is a rollplayer
a phonetic corruption
please try and keep up hon
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Bane Necran
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Posted - 2011.09.23 21:15:00 -
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Obviously goon propaganda, but i'll bite anyway.
I've met goons in many games, and have never been attacked or scammed by them, but i've seen how they operate, how delighted they are about causing people pain and misery, and witnessed large numbers of them actively trying to ruin games which have just been released, as well as more established games.
So it's not about me being a sore loser or anything like you suggested. I just plain don't like bullies and sociopaths. |
Large Collidable Object
morons.
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Posted - 2011.09.23 21:22:00 -
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Ladie Scarlet wrote:wtf is a rollplayer
Someone who plays this. morons-áare recruiting. We're good at breeding! |
DeliciousHamBeast
The Concilium Enterprises Spectrum Alliance
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Posted - 2011.09.23 21:32:00 -
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Large Collidable Object wrote:Ladie Scarlet wrote:wtf is a rollplayer Someone who plays this.
I'm gonna have that music stuck in my head forever now. Rollin'. -- Pity me not, but lend thy serious hearing to what I shall unfold. |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.09.23 21:41:00 -
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Goons made this reputation for themselves. This isn't prejudice, it's precedence.
Goon reputations don't need defending, Rek, and if they did... they wouldn't need you to do it for them.
OP is disappointing. |
Captain Hindsite
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.09.23 23:34:00 -
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ITT:
OP desperately attempts to portray Goons as decent people.
Goons desperately attempt to prove him wrong.
+1's all around. |
Rek Jaiga
Crimson Path
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Posted - 2011.09.23 23:38:00 -
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Captain Hindsite wrote:ITT:
OP desperately attempts to portray Goons as decent people.
Goons desperately attempt to prove him wrong.
+1's all around.
They attempted no such thing. There was plenty of "This is pointless" and "RPers are bad", but there was no "We're terrible people because we're Goons". |
Nyio
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.23 23:40:00 -
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What is a goon, and is it edible? Features & Ideas Discussion: Agent Finder, Black Holes Needs a banner here.. |
non judgement
Evolved from the Wreck Flying Burning Ships Alliance
10
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Posted - 2011.09.24 00:05:00 -
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Nyio wrote:What is a goon, and is it edible?
For some reason I always think of that movie "The Goonies", when I think of Goons. Do the Goons in Eve have a big disfigured guy named Sloth helping them? |
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mkint
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Posted - 2011.09.24 00:07:00 -
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non judgement wrote:Nyio wrote:What is a goon, and is it edible? For some reason I always think of that movie "The Goonies", when I think of Goons. Do the Goons in Eve have a big disfigured guy named Sloth helping them? Nope, just a couple thousand fat guys doing the truffle shuffle and eating chunky monkey ice cream. |
Gregor Palter
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Posted - 2011.09.24 00:12:00 -
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mkint wrote:non judgement wrote:Nyio wrote:What is a goon, and is it edible? For some reason I always think of that movie "The Goonies", when I think of Goons. Do the Goons in Eve have a big disfigured guy named Sloth helping them? Nope, just a couple thousand fat guys doing the truffle shuffle and eating chunky monkey ice cream.
And neckbeards, don't forget those.
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Vertisce Soritenshi
SHADOW WARD Tragedy.
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Posted - 2011.09.24 00:15:00 -
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Ladie Scarlet wrote:Goons are the worst. They are a cancer in every MMO they infest and should be driven out as quickly as possible. Lyris Nairn is a goddamn Goon hero.
Fixed it for you.
And the past MMO history of Goonswarm is proof of that. |
Effrafax of Wug
University of Caille Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2011.09.24 01:26:00 -
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What.. what's going on here?.. What... is this? |
Headerman
Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.09.24 01:50:00 -
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ban goons from eve |
Mara Tessidar
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.24 03:39:00 -
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Judging by the tears and the anger in this thread I'd say we're a raging success at EVE Honourable space pilot and anti-pirate. |
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE Limitless Inc.
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Posted - 2011.09.24 04:07:00 -
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Rek Jaiga wrote:Hello everyone. I usually don't make out-of-character posts (I'm a roleplayer). But recent events have inspired me to rant.
Ranting is against the forum rules. |
EI Digin
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
136
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Posted - 2011.09.24 04:11:00 -
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goons have no honoure |
Mara Tessidar
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.24 04:21:00 -
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EI Digin wrote:goons have no honoure
take your slandering lies and GIT AHT Honourable space pilot and anti-pirate. |
Sphit Ker
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.09.24 04:34:00 -
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To generalize is to be wrong, always.
You know it's true. |
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