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Zelda Wei	Posted - 2010.08.12 16:30:00 - [1] CCP have surrendered mining to the BOTs, CCP have surrendered ratting to the BOTs, CCP have surrendered market to the BOTs, CCP have surrendered PI to the BOTs, The best way to get ISK is a PLEX, sold to the botters for ISK. This looks like a deliberate strategy to increase revenue by introducing micro transactions by the back door. CCP need to take action against botters before they finish killing Eve.
bitters much Nekkid Inc.	Posted - 2010.08.12 16:35:00 - [2] Soon the botter will also take over all the hooker jobs that will come along with Incarna
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.08.12 16:36:00 - [3] Biologically Overegineered Tarantula? Billy Over in Tacoma? Buyers Of Tents? Bananas On Treacle? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Victor Fenris	Posted - 2010.08.12 16:37:00 - [4] Kronsur are full of them. 80 % in locals are bots.. I reported 3 and will see if they get banned...
Stick Cult Unspoken Autonomy.	Posted - 2010.08.12 16:37:00 - [5] Edited by: Stick Cult on 12/08/2010 16:40:27 You said something 4 times, which minor changes each time, you must be correct. You clearly know that only bots have buy orders for PLEX, since no legitimate player in his/her right mind would pay for game time with ISK. Then you drop the "micro transactions" bomb, almost completely irrelevantly. Last, you imply Eve isn't dead already. Thank you for this informative thread. edit: you also capitalize BOT to make it seems scarier and to emphasize a nonexistent point. Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
stoicfaux	Posted - 2010.08.12 16:38:00 - [6] Edited by: stoicfaux on 12/08/2010 16:38:53 Eh? I thought you weren't allowed to talk about BOTs or other games except in Out of Pod? ----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.08.12 16:40:00 - [7] Originally by: Tippia Biologically Overegineered Tarantula? You promised you would never mention that! My deepest sympathies. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Ryhss Caldari Ominous Corp Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2010.08.12 16:50:00 - [8] Originally by: Victor Fenris Kronsur are full of them. 80 % in locals are bots.. I reported 3 and will see if they get banned... It probably won't happen. I think CCP just bans a few here and there to make it look like they are banning bot/macros. But, even the bot/macros have to pay for their account, that's cash for CCP, so why the futhark would they ban them?! Originally by: aratillion LEGEN.... Wait for it DARY!
Stick Cult Unspoken Autonomy.	Posted - 2010.08.12 16:52:00 - [9] Originally by: Ryhss Originally by: Victor Fenris Kronsur are full of them. 80 % in locals are bots.. I reported 3 and will see if they get banned... It probably won't happen. I think CCP just bans a few here and there to make it look like they are banning bot/macros. But, even the bot/macros have to pay for their account, that's cash for CCP, so why the futhark would they ban them?! CCP bans them in batches of thousands every few months (Unholy Rage). They seem to think it a better strategy than banning them as they find them. Personally, I'm fine with it. Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
Meissa Anunthiel	Posted - 2010.08.12 16:53:00 - [10] If you meet BOTs, report them. CCP deals with these guys on a regular basis. When reported, bots are monitored and eliminated in batches (follow the money, otherwise it's whack-a-mole). So it may not seem like they're taking action because they're not banning the account immediately, but they do, and reporting them helps. Also, your statement that they're keeping the botters in the game for the subscription is demonstrably false. Check the dev blog about unholy rage. I'm not sure if you've noticed, but the amount of isk spamming has also drastically decreased. CCP IS working on the problem. While I'm not at liberty to talk about recent figures, I can assure you the process has been continued and the amount of accounts banned has kept increasing. member of CSM 2, 3, 4 and 5. Feel free to contact me with queries. Convo, evemail or join the "meissaCSM" in-game channel.
Miss AmarrPriceCheck	Posted - 2010.08.12 17:01:00 - [11] Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel CCP deals with these guys on a regular basis. When reported, bots are monitored and eliminated in batches (follow the money, otherwise it's whack-a-mole). I'm not sure if you've noticed, but the amount of isk spamming has also drastically decreased. CCP IS working on the problem. While I'm not at liberty to talk about recent figures, I can assure you the process has been continued and the amount of accounts banned has kept increasing. There's a massive difference between banning some trial account that's spamming rookie help or jita local with isk-for-cash ads, and detecting/banning a mining/ratting/missioning bot. I think most of the bans in the statistics sometimes cited come from the trivial bans of brand new accounts spamming isk ads. It's well known that there are multiple bots out there right now that are entirely safe to use, and CCP should make something like unholy rage - part 2 - a high priority if they want to maintain the integrity of the game. I hope this is in their plans (about 18 months away, to keep with the current meme).
stoicfaux	Posted - 2010.08.12 17:04:00 - [12] Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel CCP deals with these guys on a regular basis. When reported, bots are monitored and eliminated in batches (follow the money, otherwise it's whack-a-mole). Also, your statement that they're keeping the botters in the game for the subscription is demonstrably false. Check the dev blog about unholy rage. I would have phrased it differently: CCP only bans BOTs if they're involved in ISK selling. Non-isk-selling BOTs are ok, where "ok" means officially they're not okay, but unofficially they're not necessarily actively hunted down and banned because they're paying subscribers, so take your chances. ----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
Pr1ncess Alia	Posted - 2010.08.12 17:05:00 - [13] ôthe data does not seem to support that ~~polished quality~~ operating a company with a shred of integrity sells better than ~~new features~~ destroying a great game for a 10% increase of immediate returnsö seriously, what part of any of you actually thinks it's in CCPs interests to care about cheating with bots? Botting is actually healthy for the GTC market... though I suppose we should ignore the fact it destroys the in-game economy. (lol, since when did ccp management care about the game?) CCP DOESN'T CARE ABOUT CHEATING They only care if you ask their PR face. Like this.. Hey PR face, does CCP like cheating? PR Face: NO. CCP does not condone cheating. But PR face only has limited answers. Like this... Hey PR face, why does CCP not do anything about all the botters? crickets pause *PR Face: Did you know you can now fly around with GTCs in your cargohold? Click here to find out more!* --- Players are losing faith and loyalty in CCP due previous expansions not living up to player expectations. The CSM and CCP agreed that expectation management can be improved
Hari Markkus Freelancing Corp Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2010.08.12 17:07:00 - [14] Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel CCP deals with these guys on a regular basis. When reported, bots are monitored and eliminated in batches (follow the money, otherwise it's whack-a-mole). You are assuming that all the bot users are involved in RMT. But there are many normal users who use bots, who I take it from your reply, are quite safe from the ban stick.
Celestine Santora	Posted - 2010.08.12 17:11:00 - [15] I always laugh at the people who whine and say "I REPORTED A BOTTER AND TWO WEEKS LATER HE STILL ISNT BANNED WHY DOESNT CCP BAN WHO I SAY SHOULD BE BANNED!?" 1. Just because somebody acts like a bot sometimes isn't necessarily enough for CCP to terminate a paying customer unless they display characteristics that make them undeniably a bot (such as mining 23/7). 2. It makes way more sense to big up a big list and ban them all at once as they have been doing. If you ban people right off the bat you give instant feedback as to what's detectable or not. If somebody reports that they were banned days after using X botting program, other people will avoid it. If everyone goes for months and months saying "I use this and haven't been banned!" eventually a most popular bot will emerge and CCP can trap more people with its ban hammer.
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.08.12 17:32:00 - [16] Starting to think this is a new mental illness caused by excessive internet use or something. Some are still in the manic phase, running around screaming about how everyone they see online is a robot, and others have relaxed into delusions that they exist just behind every corner, but aren't an immediate threat. Any budding psychologists want to make a name for themselves? My deepest sympathies. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Pr1ncess Alia	Posted - 2010.08.12 17:35:00 - [17] Originally by: Professor Tarantula Starting to think this is a new mental illness caused by excessive internet use or something. Some are still in the manic phase, running around screaming about how everyone they see online is a robot, and others have relaxed into delusions that they exist just behind every corner, but aren't an immediate threat. Any budding psychologists want to make a name for themselves? I hear that! I think the saddest ones are those people in denial. You know the ones, that think Eve is the same game it was several years ago? CCP is still overly dedicated to it? etc etc... It's like they can't see the forest for the trees. Just sad. --- Players are losing faith and loyalty in CCP due previous expansions not living up to player expectations. The CSM and CCP agreed that expectation management can be improved
Takseen	Posted - 2010.08.12 17:36:00 - [18] Originally by: Zelda Wei The best way to get ISK is a PLEX, sold to the botters for ISK. This looks like a deliberate strategy to increase revenue by introducing micro transactions by the back door. They made no secret about introducing PLEXes as a way to compete with the botters on RMT as they realised there was a demand for it. They make a big deal about it being a closed system so it doesn't inject new money and create run-away inflation, but its still not that different from a micro transaction service except that you can't buy anything with RL money you couldn't already earn more slowly in-game. If they wanted to reduce botting, all they'd need do is make automatable activities less profitable and/or harder to do. Preferably the latter, as thats the most fun way to go about it.
Ovella	Posted - 2010.08.12 17:37:00 - [19] Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel I'm not sure if you've noticed, but the amount of isk spamming has also drastically decreased. CCP IS working on the problem. Only because they finnaly had enough sense to actually make rightclick->report thingie... few years after it was asked, as usual.
Pr1ncess Alia	Posted - 2010.08.12 17:40:00 - [20] Originally by: Ovella Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel I'm not sure if you've noticed, but the amount of isk spamming has also drastically decreased. CCP IS working on the problem. Only because they finnaly had enough sense to actually make rightclick->report thingie... few years after it was asked, as usual. again, rmt. if it isn't rmt, they do not care --- Players are losing faith and loyalty in CCP due previous expansions not living up to player expectations. The CSM and CCP agreed that expectation management can be improved
Meissa Anunthiel	Posted - 2010.08.12 17:58:00 - [21] Originally by: Miss AmarrPriceCheck Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel CCP deals with these guys on a regular basis. When reported, bots are monitored and eliminated in batches (follow the money, otherwise it's whack-a-mole). I'm not sure if you've noticed, but the amount of isk spamming has also drastically decreased. CCP IS working on the problem. While I'm not at liberty to talk about recent figures, I can assure you the process has been continued and the amount of accounts banned has kept increasing. There's a massive difference between banning some trial account that's spamming rookie help or jita local with isk-for-cash ads, and detecting/banning a mining/ratting/missioning bot. I think most of the bans in the statistics sometimes cited come from the trivial bans of brand new accounts spamming isk ads. It's well known that there are multiple bots out there right now that are entirely safe to use, and CCP should make something like unholy rage - part 2 - a high priority if they want to maintain the integrity of the game. I hope this is in their plans (about 18 months away, to keep with the current meme). Let me rephrase then to make sure. They ban also mining/ratting/missionning bots, even those not involved in RMT (isk selling). They're a bit harder to identify, but they do get banned as well. Non RMTers might get a warning before being banned though. To be fair, I was thinking exactly the same thing you are until I spoke with the GMs. It's not a matter of being willing to ban them, but a question of identifying them. If you suspect one to be macroing, report! They investigate all the cases. member of CSM 2, 3, 4 and 5. Feel free to contact me with queries. Convo, evemail or join the "meissaCSM" in-game channel.
Taedrin Gallente White Haven Corp	Posted - 2010.08.12 18:11:00 - [22] CCP regularly bans large swathes of bots every few months or so. If you read the forums regularly, you will occasionally see reports that bot infested systems are suddenly empty after being host to 100+ bots. If you spot a bot, report him and CCP will investigate it and they will eventually receive a ban. The problem, as you have noticed, is that CCP takes a loooooooonnnnnggggg time to do it. ---------- Originally by: Dr Fighter "how do you know when youve had a repro accident" Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
Jenny Cameron Caldari Ordo Eventus	Posted - 2010.08.12 18:31:00 - [23] Originally by: Taedrin The problem, as you have noticed, is that CCP takes a loooooooonnnnnggggg time to do it. I'm sure they'll remove bots in 18 months time!
Hari Markkus Freelancing Corp Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2010.08.12 18:52:00 - [24] Originally by: Jenny Cameron Originally by: Taedrin The problem, as you have noticed, is that CCP takes a loooooooonnnnnggggg time to do it. I'm sure they'll remove bots in 18 months time! I think I have just spotted a forum Memebot.
oolk	Posted - 2010.08.12 18:54:00 - [25] What if I make 12 mining bots accounts to mine veld,but no plans on using it or sell it,just to gather 1.1billions of units and rub it in Chribba's face,will I get the hammer?? P.S. My hulks have veld dust from 2007
Bhattran	Posted - 2010.08.12 19:04:00 - [26] This thread is now about Evegate. -------------------------------------------------------------- The 5 minute forum time delay was a crime against humanity that CCP took forever to address.
Joe Skellington Minmatar JOKAS Industries Independent Faction	Posted - 2010.08.12 19:14:00 - [27] I want to see creative ways CCP can ban botters. Like, a super cool death ray from an alien ship that appears next to the offender and destroys him. Kind of like how they do it in Guild Wars with the Grim Reaper looking dude: Ban Scythe
stoicfaux	Posted - 2010.08.12 19:24:00 - [28] Originally by: Joe Skellington Edited by: Joe Skellington on 12/08/2010 19:19:04 I want to see creative ways CCP can ban botters. Like, a super cool death ray from an alien ship that appears next to the offender and destroys him. Kind of like how they do it in Guild Wars with the Grim Reaper looking dude: Ban Scythe Macro-miners get transparently transported to a second identical server/universe/instance with just NPC buy orders. The bots continue to run until they realize they're in their own little cloned closed limbo universe with no way to transfer isk, ships or clones to the actual server. ----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
Stick Cult Unspoken Autonomy.	Posted - 2010.08.12 19:27:00 - [29] Edited by: Stick Cult on 12/08/2010 19:27:38 Originally by: stoicfaux Originally by: Joe Skellington Edited by: Joe Skellington on 12/08/2010 19:19:04 I want to see creative ways CCP can ban botters. Like, a super cool death ray from an alien ship that appears next to the offender and destroys him. Kind of like how they do it in Guild Wars with the Grim Reaper looking dude: Ban Scythe Macro-miners get transparently transported to a second identical server/universe/instance with just NPC buy orders. The bots continue to run until they realize they're in their own little cloned closed limbo universe with no way to transfer isk, ships or clones to the actual server. I feel like I've heard something about way back, just after the game came out, where instead of a temporary ban you would be moved to an empty jove system for a few days... edit: actually that is a pretty badass idea... Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
HarrietMiers Native Freshfood	Posted - 2010.08.12 19:28:00 - [30] Originally by: stoicfaux Originally by: Joe Skellington Edited by: Joe Skellington on 12/08/2010 19:19:04 I want to see creative ways CCP can ban botters. Like, a super cool death ray from an alien ship that appears next to the offender and destroys him. Kind of like how they do it in Guild Wars with the Grim Reaper looking dude: Ban Scythe Macro-miners get transparently transported to a second identical server/universe/instance with just NPC buy orders. The bots continue to run until they realize they're in their own little cloned closed limbo universe with no way to transfer isk, ships or clones to the actual server. CCP should seriously consider this, for lolz alone.

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