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stoicfaux	Posted - 2010.08.23 17:15:00 - [181] Originally by: Prince Deimos Stoic, his numbers were off from his claims by 20% because of all the real time reasons those of us disputing them gave. I just want all the extra help he got included as a footnote. Any chance I can get you to point out a few posts about the extra help? I lack the will (it makes my eyes bleed) to re-read all six pages to see what I missed. ----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
Prince Deimos Kwame's Executive Protection Detail	Posted - 2010.08.23 17:15:00 - [182] Edited by: Prince Deimos on 23/08/2010 17:19:11 other characters have BS 5 huh? which ones, Call187 does, but moose doesnt. As of July 22 you had BS 4, and you would be finishing BS 5 right about this week if you started training right after google cached your skills. here Dude, you have been caught lying about everything. Give it up For Stoic: It was pointed out he should include a footnote that he uses third party haulers, there is strong evidence that he uses multiple characters to pull favorable missions. His screenshots show a wallet from a character with a name far too long for his "mission character". He also has no characters with decent enough manufacturing skills to make the lp/isk conversion without help. He includes mission times from warp in to warp out, not from accept to turn in. All fun stuff from the little troll
Serendipity Raine Hellhounds. HellFleet	Posted - 2010.08.23 17:26:00 - [183] Deimos: Does this all really matter? If he's right then he's right, good for him etc etc. If he's wrong then he's trolling and you doing into all this depth is exactly what he wants you to do. So, to instantly break my own advice - Third-party hauling shouldn't count at 'having someone else help you', so long as he factors their fees into his overheads, which I think he has. That is all, move on people.
Moose Burger	Posted - 2010.08.23 17:26:00 - [184] Look at frozeans faction standings Caldari State8.67 Faction standings cant be obatained by sharing accounts Faction standings are obtained by grinding storylines. Yes. I played a lot. I could say ive already done almost 70-80 storyline missions on Frozean all of them in Haatomo. Anything else? Are you saying Frozean with bad minmatar standings and no Minmatar NPC standings can somehow share info with a toon in the same account? I dont know what goes in your mind but. Its tiring to answer all the troll questions that is completely unrelated to the ammount of isk/hour i made. Shared rewards? Are you saying that somehow i should be getting 3 million isk from mission rewards and another 3 million isk from time rewards? God. If thats the case i would have loved to cheat everyone in the world.
Prince Deimos Kwame's Executive Protection Detail	Posted - 2010.08.23 17:27:00 - [185] Originally by: Moose Burger Look at frozeans faction standings Caldari State8.67 Faction standings cant be obatained by sharing accounts Faction standings are obtained by grinding storylines. Yes. I played a lot. I could say ive already done almost 70-80 storyline missions on Frozean all of them in Haatomo. Anything else? Are you saying Frozean with bad minmatar standings and no Minmatar NPC standings can somehow share info with a toon in the same account? I dont know what goes in your mind but. Its tiring to answer all the troll questions that is completely unrelated to the ammount of isk/hour i made. Shared rewards? Are you saying that somehow i should be getting 3 million isk from mission rewards and another 3 million isk from time rewards? God. If thats the case i would have loved to cheat everyone in the world. Faction standings can be bought with Tags... thats how a lot of people get a jump start on missions for a particular group.
Ash Donai	Posted - 2010.08.23 17:31:00 - [186] Troll or not, Frozean did provide some useful info on missions and setups in here. It's also clear that while he used one character at a time, he did not only use one character. Between multiple characters and utilizing faction standings (good tip! though that too takes time to undock, fly to a different station, dock etc.) rather than corp standings to pull missions he was able to pick the profitable missions and reject the sucky ones. What I took from this thread is that I already have a job and I don't need a second one. The day I am starting to look for ways to shave off a minute or two on my missioning that's the day I may as well quit EVE and go take a second RL job instead. I can mission nearly risk free, on my own schedule, afk whenever I please, and for that I am happy to settle for not too much less than the 86mil posted. I also believe that there are little odds and ends here and there which give away that the original post was just a tiny sample of the real thing. For example, "use RFF to take 860,000m3 loot back to Jita". Sure, one can loot but that's time spent as well which doesn't go with the mission completion times posted. Either there was an alt involved in looting and hauling the crap loot back and sort through the items to send the good meta stuff to Jita, or he himself went back to loot which took time either way. I personally don't bother with loot, I mission for LP and standings only. If that means I lose out on income, so be it.
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.08.23 17:44:00 - [187] Originally by: Moose Burger Personally, i dont feel like i lack in the SP department. Im more interested in how to blitz missions faster, even though i will need to field various ships for it. If you want to be REALLY hardcore about it, you could use some combination of: - Tengu, for all the small **** (Duo of Death, Recon 2/3, Recon 3/3) - Nightmare for Blood Raider missions - Mach for Angel/Sansha missions - CNR for Guristas/Serpentis missions - Golem for Drone and close range BS heavy missions. Accept no substitute. I'm a bit undecided on the Sansha missions thing. On the one hand, the Mach is "unaffected" by their TD (it really is, just doesn't affect falloff), but on the other hand the Nightmare has more real DPS and can kill things before TDs become annoying. One of the big advantages of doing it like this is that each ship is already fit appropriately, no refitting/reloading time wasted. As to the final result of this thread: WTF? The admission that it's possible for highly skilled characters to break 80M ISK/hr in high sec is really all I care about in this thread. -Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
Moose Burger	Posted - 2010.08.23 17:46:00 - [188] Edited by: Moose Burger on 23/08/2010 17:55:46 ^^ now that liang posted above me i feel like an ass hole for posting such a bad post which was for the guy 3 above me. edited out. Liang. You know more then i do 2K isk/LP is a hugely understating the real conversion. SPecially for that particular minmatar item. You also would probably know how much Loot a golem nets in from missions. Its something i can never give up for any other ship doing close-range missions. 102/87 m isk/hour is a HUUUUUUUUUUUUGE understatement for people who actually knows what kind of money they are making.Although i dont feel like proving this point, thereby avoiding a huge troll discussion on proving, API, account info, credit card, bad toons, bad biomass, and fake security status (also, 3 million isk fake time reward+ 3 mil isk fake mission reward) The real reason of this thread is to help golem/tengu runners to run missions at very fast timings. Ive received nice ammounts of feedback mails on froze, and i will still continue to help high sec players who really want to get into the game fast without enslaving themselves to 0.0 politics and the like Probably be my last post. cuz im getting my last storyline before bed, hopefully pushing my gallente standings up to 8.00 Good luck everyone.
Trebor Whettam	Posted - 2010.08.23 18:01:00 - [189] This topic has taken a bizarre turn. Frozean's deep knowledge of isk/hr maximization techniques suggests that he was legitimately and avid and elite mission-runner, regardless of his character skills. If he was a fraud, then he was a most interesting fraud, because he definitely knew what he was talking about.
Another GTC	Posted - 2010.08.23 18:17:00 - [190] Edited by: Another GTC on 23/08/2010 18:20:18 The irony is that all these profits will disappear if even just 10% of those who read this topic actually follow the advice and start doing it. Then again, most people are just lazy and wouldn't do it even if you'd give them a detailed step-by-step on how to do it. It's a lot easier to just sell a few GTCs and move on (if you have disposable income that is). I can spend 8 hours running missions and make 800 mil, or I can spend $45 and make 1 bil. It's sure takes me a lot less than 8 hours to make $45, but I suppose that's not the case when you are in Malaysia. Also, Frozean is Kug. EDIT: Also, also, confirming the real ISK/hour is made using courier missions for max LP gains per hour.

TheMahdi	Posted - 2010.08.23 18:30:00 - [191] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Moose Burger Personally, i dont feel like i lack in the SP department. Im more interested in how to blitz missions faster, even though i will need to field various ships for it. If you want to be REALLY hardcore about it, you could use some combination of: - Tengu, for all the small **** (Duo of Death, Recon 2/3, Recon 3/3) - Nightmare for Blood Raider missions - Mach for Angel/Sansha missions - CNR for Guristas/Serpentis missions - Golem for Drone and close range BS heavy missions. Accept no substitute. I'm a bit undecided on the Sansha missions thing. On the one hand, the Mach is "unaffected" by their TD (it really is, just doesn't affect falloff), but on the other hand the Nightmare has more real DPS and can kill things before TDs become annoying. One of the big advantages of doing it like this is that each ship is already fit appropriately, no refitting/reloading time wasted. As to the final result of this thread: WTF? The admission that it's possible for highly skilled characters to break 80M ISK/hr in high sec is really all I care about in this thread. -Liang It's actually a great idea. To be honest this is the optimal and what I do with my skills: Nightmare for Rogue Drones, Sansha and Blood Raiders. CNR for Guristas, Serpentis and Angels. Stabber (LSE, OD/Nanos) for Cargo Delivery, Recon 1 to 3, etc. Works really well in Amarr space. And why not use a both, CNR and Nightmare share the same skills except for weapon systems and if you just train for Cruise it's not a lot of training. Even if you just use a Raven, which I did for a while it's worth it.
Chesty McJubblies Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2010.08.23 18:46:00 - [192] Originally by: Moose Burger Someone tried to ask for screenshot. then wallet . then full API. What next, my credit card details? my ID and password? How about my Social Security number/ID? When did they start giving out Social Security numbers in the UK? Hmm. Suggestion: Remove the "new topic" button from everywhere apart from the list of topics section within a subforum. That'd save those with chronic hand/eye coordination some face.
Ash Donai	Posted - 2010.08.23 18:52:00 - [193] Originally by: TheMahdi Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Moose Burger Im more interested in how to blitz missions faster, even though i will need to field various ships for it. If you want to be REALLY hardcore about it, you could use some combination of: - Tengu, for all the small **** (Duo of Death, Recon 2/3, Recon 3/3) - Nightmare for Blood Raider missions - Mach for Angel/Sansha missions - CNR for Guristas/Serpentis missions - Golem for Drone and close range BS heavy missions. Accept no substitute. It's actually a great idea. Let's think about this. The above, with proper mods will run you like 10-12 bil total. Let's say you make the 80m/h, that means you'd need to put in 125-150 hours to make up for the investment (though one could argue that the ships/mods don't lose much value hence no need for an actual ROI), assuming you have the cash to spend up front. Then again, what else would you spend the ISK on anyway, so may as well buy the appropriate ships/mods to make more ISK which then too just sits idle.
Trebor Whettam	Posted - 2010.08.23 19:02:00 - [194] Edited by: Trebor Whettam on 23/08/2010 19:03:26 Originally by: Ash Donai Originally by: TheMahdi Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Moose Burger Im more interested in how to blitz missions faster, even though i will need to field various ships for it. If you want to be REALLY hardcore about it, you could use some combination of: - Tengu, for all the small **** (Duo of Death, Recon 2/3, Recon 3/3) - Nightmare for Blood Raider missions - Mach for Angel/Sansha missions - CNR for Guristas/Serpentis missions - Golem for Drone and close range BS heavy missions. Accept no substitute. It's actually a great idea. Let's think about this. The above, with proper mods will run you like 10-12 bil total. Let's say you make the 80m/h, that means you'd need to put in 125-150 hours to make up for the investment (though one could argue that the ships/mods don't lose much value hence no need for an actual ROI), assuming you have the cash to spend up front. Then again, what else would you spend the ISK on anyway, so may as well buy the appropriate ships/mods to make more ISK which then too just sits idle. ] You could do it much more cheaply than 10 bil by sharing shield modules (and BCSes in case of the Caldari ships), which is perfectly viable by using the strip fitting option before switching ships and then loading the appropriate pre-created fit on the new ship. But, yeah, this gets into the "I really don't need the isk" territory.
TheMahdi	Posted - 2010.08.23 20:04:00 - [195] Originally by: Ash Donai Originally by: TheMahdi Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Moose Burger Im more interested in how to blitz missions faster, even though i will need to field various ships for it. If you want to be REALLY hardcore about it, you could use some combination of: - Tengu, for all the small **** (Duo of Death, Recon 2/3, Recon 3/3) - Nightmare for Blood Raider missions - Mach for Angel/Sansha missions - CNR for Guristas/Serpentis missions - Golem for Drone and close range BS heavy missions. Accept no substitute. It's actually a great idea. Let's think about this. The above, with proper mods will run you like 10-12 bil total. Let's say you make the 80m/h, that means you'd need to put in 125-150 hours to make up for the investment (though one could argue that the ships/mods don't lose much value hence no need for an actual ROI), assuming you have the cash to spend up front. Then again, what else would you spend the ISK on anyway, so may as well buy the appropriate ships/mods to make more ISK which then too just sits idle. You could do it for far far less. My Nightmare cost me just under 1bil, CN X-L booster, shield amp, 3x Navy HS. My CNR cost me about the same, I share the Nightmare shield items, and it has 4x CN BCU and 7x CN launchers. So in my example, thats only 2bil. And there is never need for anymore tank and nothing else can really be done to improve DPS much. Using Liang's example: Mach aswell, similiar deal, probably another 1bil if you don't pimp it too much, which you don't really need to. Tengu will share CNR items abit and come considerbly under 1bil and for most of the missions it's used for it doesn't even need a faction tank. Golem will be over but lets say, all about your still looking at under 5bil for all ships mentioned in the ABSOLUTE EXTREME CASE. I still stick by my CNR/Nightmare at a mere 2bil =)
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.08.23 20:12:00 - [196] I wouldn't share the items, because it eliminates the gains from having different ships for each mission/mission set. Worst case scenario is probably the Tengu because of the Pithum MSB. Everything else is doable with faction damage mods and a cheapish faction booster. -Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
Tira 0'TooIe	Posted - 2010.08.23 20:52:00 - [197] Originally by: Jessica Verne Its taken you guys 5 pages to verify that high sec needs nerfing? Really, I could have saved you the time. I see you haven't read the latest QEN. The income from ratting dwarfs that of mission running. Plus they're only counting rat bounties, not faction drops, salvage, or loot reprocessing. Nerf ratting?
Salvage Contractor	Posted - 2010.08.23 21:08:00 - [198] Originally by: Tira 0'TooIe I see you haven't read the latest QEN. The income from ratting dwarfs that of mission running. Plus they're only counting rat bounties, not faction drops, salvage, or loot reprocessing. Nerf ratting? That's because it's a lot less complex to macro-rat than it is to macro-mission (though it you head out to Schmaeel in Kor-Azor you can shoot macro cargo mission haulers till your sec status is at -10 and they just keep coming). If you look into systems in the South-East of the universe you will find massive amounts of macro ratters and the occasional loss of a macro ratting ship (other than the autotarget nyx we saw the other day) is nothing but a minor inconvenience. Most of EVE leaves the Russians alone (yes, a lil stereotyping, how about the Russian-controlled regions), so they are free to macro as long as CCP can't/won't do anything about it.
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.08.23 21:20:00 - [199] Originally by: Tira 0'TooIe Originally by: Jessica Verne Its taken you guys 5 pages to verify that high sec needs nerfing? Really, I could have saved you the time. I see you haven't read the latest QEN. The income from ratting dwarfs that of mission running. Plus they're only counting rat bounties, not faction drops, salvage, or loot reprocessing. Nerf ratting? I read the QEN, and I thought it said nothing about where the bounties originated - just that bounties were the overwhelming ISK faucet. I'll have to go look that up later. -Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
Moose Burger	Posted - 2010.08.23 21:39:00 - [200] Quote: What does the "RM100-RM120" refer to here? GBP? Hmmm Im a secret hax traveller around the world. Acting cool and not afraid of anything.

Another GTC	Posted - 2010.08.23 21:49:00 - [201] Edited by: Another GTC on 23/08/2010 21:50:35 Originally by: Chesty McJubblies What does the "RM100-RM120" refer to here? GBP? Hmmm Of course RM means GBP, because the two letters R and M look a lot like the three letters G, B, and P. It was just a typo that he only had two letters indicating the currency. Originally by: Moose Burger Quote: What does the "RM100-RM120" refer to here? GBP? Hmmm Im a secret hax traveller around the world. Acting cool and not afraid of anything. Further proof that Frozean is actually **********. EDIT: LOL @ CCP for filtering the name out, just google for eve online and kug and the second suggestion Google comes up with is it.
Chesty McJubblies Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2010.08.23 22:10:00 - [202] Originally by: Another GTC Edited by: Another GTC on 23/08/2010 21:50:35 Originally by: Chesty McJubblies What does the "RM100-RM120" refer to here? GBP? Hmmm Of course RM means GBP, because the two letters R and M look a lot like the three letters G, B, and P. It was just a typo that he only had two letters indicating the currency. Agreed, someone that lies so much they actually forget the previous lies they have told. I worked beside a guy like that. He ended up getting a psychological evaluation after being dragged out of work by the cops. Not related to his lies, but more inline with the general fantasy life he led. Something the OP can relate to, I'd imagine. Suggestion: Remove the "new topic" button from everywhere apart from the list of topics section within a subforum. That'd save those with chronic hand/eye coordination some face.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.08.23 22:11:00 - [203] from 10:30 to 11:33 704268415 to 740458109 = 36 million an hour. from 11:33 to 12:38 740458109 to 769133926 = 28 million an hour. From the "OP's" screenshot. making 32 mil "real" isk an hour. When you say "fanboi" try to picture a fat man doing burlesque with 2 big ass fans that say CCP on one and HTFU on the other. Because that dude is me.
Chesty McJubblies Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2010.08.23 22:13:00 - [204] Edited by: Chesty McJubblies on 23/08/2010 22:13:47 Edited by: Chesty McJubblies on 23/08/2010 22:13:24 Originally by: Cipher Jones from 10:30 to 11:33 704268415 to 740458109 = 36 million an hour. from 11:33 to 12:38 740458109 to 769133926 = 28 million an hour. From the "OP's" screenshot. making 32 mil "real" isk an hour. Please include the isk he could have been making in the time he was praying, or crapping. Thanks. Suggestion: Remove the "new topic" button from everywhere apart from the list of topics section within a subforum. That'd save those with chronic hand/eye coordination some face.
Moose Burger	Posted - 2010.08.23 22:23:00 - [205] Edited by: Moose Burger on 23/08/2010 22:23:33 RM = ringgit malaysia = Malaysia currency ID = identification = or i/c in malay, used to identify myself Social security number = nombor kad pengenalan = number frequently used for identity thief, however the system yet remain as bad as it is today. UK = A boring place when outside london. specially in coventry, where if you dont get drunk at night you have nothing to do. Im lying = Malaysian are never allowed to step in UK soil, much less smell drunk people or make statements about the happenings in UK. Of course, all M.A.S aeroplanes landing in heathrow should be shot. And all Malaysian scholars wanting to study in UK are all illegal immegrants and will be annihilated.
Salvage Contractor	Posted - 2010.08.23 23:27:00 - [206] Originally by: Moose Burger On a more serious note, i wonder where is a good place I can practice PVP without sacrificing my security status too much? There's really only one answer to this: Providence. Although since the epeenery fiasco that led to the fall of CVA there is a lot less going on down there. Getting off topic in more ways than one though ...
Moose Burger	Posted - 2010.08.23 23:35:00 - [207] oh. guess ill check out the place. Its insanely awesome to have characters unbounded by training ;D , but im guessing i would need to join some alliance or something right?
Liang Nuren Parsec Flux War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.08.23 23:55:00 - [208] Originally by: Moose Burger oh. guess ill check out the place. Its insanely awesome to have characters unbounded by training ;D , but im guessing i would need to join some alliance or something right? No, it's not necessary. Just go kill people. If you are in Minmatar space, I'd personally go roam the Great Wildlands or Geminate since they're closer than Providence. E02 and EOA are the places to set destination. Then just wander until you find someone to kill. Take a BC and make sure your clone is up to date. -Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter Blog
Roboplegic Amarr	Posted - 2010.08.24 12:46:00 - [209] obvious troll since the begginning
Trebor Whettam	Posted - 2010.08.24 13:33:00 - [210] Originally by: Liang Nuren I wouldn't share the items, because it eliminates the gains from having different ships for each mission/mission set. Worst case scenario is probably the Tengu because of the Pithum MSB. Everything else is doable with faction damage mods and a cheapish faction booster. -Liang I run half a dozen different fitting variations on my CNR, and the strip / load fitting process is much quicker than switching ships, because of the thirty second restriction. Granted, it would add a couple seconds to the equation if you were also swapping ships, since the load isn't instantaneous (the strip would run concurrent with waiting out the 30s).



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