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Chode Rizoum	Posted - 2004.12.23 10:36:00 - [91] Originally by: Tooshy Dunno why but some how if I weren't in ATUK I would had join Teddybears or Tundragon (or M0o). With Teddy's on first place. and me atuk " ohh jeah i did for awhile " :) everything needs to be tried befor u can comment Sun-ra i tried the BoB way, did u try the pirate way ? Centuria > whoot? Centuria > you stalking me? :) -- Nafri > then I a bird pooed on my head AND ON MY MEAL -- http://www.subroc.net/teddybears/
Chode Rizoum	Posted - 2004.12.23 10:36:00 - [92] Originally by: Tooshy Dunno why but some how if I weren't in ATUK I would had join Teddybears or Tundragon (or M0o). With Teddy's on first place. and me atuk " ohh jeah i did for awhile " :) everything needs to be tried befor u can comment Sun-ra i tried the BoB way, did u try the pirate way ? Centuria > whoot? Centuria > you stalking me? :) -- Nafri > then I a bird pooed on my head AND ON MY MEAL -- http://www.subroc.net/teddybears/
Sun Ra	Posted - 2004.12.23 10:49:00 - [93] Edited by: Sun Ra on 23/12/2004 10:53:24 You think we never fight blobs? the PA used to bring all their carebears up from and have 150 people against maybe 50 of us, did stop us nope, we too know how to handle blobs, but we see theres no need to post of the forums ideas in the game to anti blob, we just adapt to deal with them and send them packing to empire again. 30 max in a gang wont work, you'll just have 4 gangs of 30 flying together
Sun Ra	Posted - 2004.12.23 10:49:00 - [94] Edited by: Sun Ra on 23/12/2004 10:53:24 You think we never fight blobs? the PA used to bring all their carebears up from and have 150 people against maybe 50 of us, did stop us nope, we too know how to handle blobs, but we see theres no need to post of the forums ideas in the game to anti blob, we just adapt to deal with them and send them packing to empire again. 30 max in a gang wont work, you'll just have 4 gangs of 30 flying together
Candy	Posted - 2004.12.23 10:53:00 - [95] Edited by: Candy on 23/12/2004 10:53:22 I will make a deal with you CCP. If you drop insurance to 50%, I will start trying to toll people again and hopefully they will opt to save their ships. Sound Good? I didn't think so. -------------------------------------------
Candy	Posted - 2004.12.23 10:53:00 - [96] Edited by: Candy on 23/12/2004 10:53:22 I will make a deal with you CCP. If you drop insurance to 50%, I will start trying to toll people again and hopefully they will opt to save their ships. Sound Good? I didn't think so. -------------------------------------------
Chode Rizoum	Posted - 2004.12.23 10:59:00 - [97] Originally by: Sun Ra Edited by: Sun Ra on 23/12/2004 10:53:24 You think we never fight blobs? the PA used to bring all their carebears up from and have 150 people against maybe 50 of us, did stop us nope, we too know how to handle blobs, but we see theres no need to post of the forums ideas in the game to anti blob, we just adapt to deal with them and send them packing to empire again. 30 max in a gang wont work, you'll just have 4 gangs of 30 flying together i aint saying that, i do belive u fight blobs, tried it myself in atuk, but have u tried being a small gang as 6 - 8, if they dont do their best to ransom and toll and rp, people will think they are mindless griefers.. Centuria > whoot? Centuria > you stalking me? :) -- Nafri > then I a bird pooed on my head AND ON MY MEAL -- http://www.subroc.net/teddybears/
Chode Rizoum	Posted - 2004.12.23 10:59:00 - [98] Originally by: Sun Ra Edited by: Sun Ra on 23/12/2004 10:53:24 You think we never fight blobs? the PA used to bring all their carebears up from and have 150 people against maybe 50 of us, did stop us nope, we too know how to handle blobs, but we see theres no need to post of the forums ideas in the game to anti blob, we just adapt to deal with them and send them packing to empire again. 30 max in a gang wont work, you'll just have 4 gangs of 30 flying together i aint saying that, i do belive u fight blobs, tried it myself in atuk, but have u tried being a small gang as 6 - 8, if they dont do their best to ransom and toll and rp, people will think they are mindless griefers.. Centuria > whoot? Centuria > you stalking me? :) -- Nafri > then I a bird pooed on my head AND ON MY MEAL -- http://www.subroc.net/teddybears/
Lifewire	Posted - 2004.12.23 10:59:00 - [99] Edited by: Lifewire on 23/12/2004 11:01:04 Quote: 30 max in a gang wont work, you'll just have 4 gangs of 30 flying together You should try 30 gangs of 4 players - would help a lot to get a good kill-list. 1000 members with 5000 kills is more than pathetic and shows how blobbing backstabs your own team. Your blobbing makes you have less kills --> less loot, less tollings (if you can do tolling in a fleet battle lol). You complain a lot in this topic about that piracy was so badly nerfed that there is no way to make ISK with piracy. And this is your mistake: piracy still pays and it pays very good if you form small sized groups that farm traffic. It won¦t pay if you blob arround like an alliance, because you¦ll never get these extreme kill-ammount we get. Your whole chain of argues that you blob because piracy was so badly nerfed is completly wrong. Piracy works and the only thing that i miss is getting sec. hits for my crimes.
Lifewire	Posted - 2004.12.23 10:59:00 - [100] Edited by: Lifewire on 23/12/2004 11:01:04 Quote: 30 max in a gang wont work, you'll just have 4 gangs of 30 flying together You should try 30 gangs of 4 players - would help a lot to get a good kill-list. 1000 members with 5000 kills is more than pathetic and shows how blobbing backstabs your own team. Your blobbing makes you have less kills --> less loot, less tollings (if you can do tolling in a fleet battle lol). You complain a lot in this topic about that piracy was so badly nerfed that there is no way to make ISK with piracy. And this is your mistake: piracy still pays and it pays very good if you form small sized groups that farm traffic. It won¦t pay if you blob arround like an alliance, because you¦ll never get these extreme kill-ammount we get. Your whole chain of argues that you blob because piracy was so badly nerfed is completly wrong. Piracy works and the only thing that i miss is getting sec. hits for my crimes.
Chode Rizoum	Posted - 2004.12.23 11:03:00 - [101] Originally by: Lifewire Edited by: Lifewire on 23/12/2004 11:01:04 Quote: 30 max in a gang wont work, you'll just have 4 gangs of 30 flying together You should try 30 gangs of 4 players - would help a lot to get a good kill-list. 1000 members with 5000 kills is more than pathetic and shows how blobbing backstabs your own team. Your blobbing makes you have less kills --> less loot, less tollings (if you can do tolling in a fleet battle lol). You complain a lot in this topic about that piracy was so badly nerfed that there is no way to make ISK with piracy. And this is your mistake: piracy still pays and it pays very good if you form small sized groups that farm traffic. It won¦t pay if you blob arround like an alliance, because you¦ll never get these extreme kill-ammount we get. Your whole chain of argues that you blob because piracy was so badly nerfed is completly wrong. Piracy works and the only thing that i miss is getting sec. hits for my crimes. i dont agree on that, we got mining barges BPOs awhile ago, and we get zydrine and tech II loot, i dont see why u say we dont earn isk. thats just trying to get CCP to make piracy a every mans job, but it aint, its for the guys that can handle it. i aint sasying ure ideas are wrong or it isent hard to be a pirate, just have to be pationt Centuria > whoot? Centuria > you stalking me? :) -- Nafri > then I a bird pooed on my head AND ON MY MEAL -- http://www.subroc.net/teddybears/
Chode Rizoum	Posted - 2004.12.23 11:03:00 - [102] Originally by: Lifewire Edited by: Lifewire on 23/12/2004 11:01:04 Quote: 30 max in a gang wont work, you'll just have 4 gangs of 30 flying together You should try 30 gangs of 4 players - would help a lot to get a good kill-list. 1000 members with 5000 kills is more than pathetic and shows how blobbing backstabs your own team. Your blobbing makes you have less kills --> less loot, less tollings (if you can do tolling in a fleet battle lol). You complain a lot in this topic about that piracy was so badly nerfed that there is no way to make ISK with piracy. And this is your mistake: piracy still pays and it pays very good if you form small sized groups that farm traffic. It won¦t pay if you blob arround like an alliance, because you¦ll never get these extreme kill-ammount we get. Your whole chain of argues that you blob because piracy was so badly nerfed is completly wrong. Piracy works and the only thing that i miss is getting sec. hits for my crimes. i dont agree on that, we got mining barges BPOs awhile ago, and we get zydrine and tech II loot, i dont see why u say we dont earn isk. thats just trying to get CCP to make piracy a every mans job, but it aint, its for the guys that can handle it. i aint sasying ure ideas are wrong or it isent hard to be a pirate, just have to be pationt Centuria > whoot? Centuria > you stalking me? :) -- Nafri > then I a bird pooed on my head AND ON MY MEAL -- http://www.subroc.net/teddybears/
Lefevre	Posted - 2004.12.23 11:04:00 - [103] Originally by: Sun Ra The Teddybears I always thought you guys were cool, i always see you roleplaying the pirate and you at least try toll and ransom people rather than be pure gankers, it saddened me to see you guys align yourself with the pure ganker group called the Tundragons, but i can understand why you've done this, CCP made pirating near impossible and the bottom line is you guys are into small scale pvp and hanging around Dear Sun Ra. I have been fighting you and your corp RKK for longer then I can remember in this game. You used to be the anti-pirates then you aligned with "gankers" yourself as you call it. Who are you to comment who we work with? Please don't get me wrong I don't mind the corp RKK or the people they work with I just don't see how you can make a comment like that. PS. Merry Christmas everyone Teddybears
Lefevre	Posted - 2004.12.23 11:04:00 - [104] Originally by: Sun Ra The Teddybears I always thought you guys were cool, i always see you roleplaying the pirate and you at least try toll and ransom people rather than be pure gankers, it saddened me to see you guys align yourself with the pure ganker group called the Tundragons, but i can understand why you've done this, CCP made pirating near impossible and the bottom line is you guys are into small scale pvp and hanging around Dear Sun Ra. I have been fighting you and your corp RKK for longer then I can remember in this game. You used to be the anti-pirates then you aligned with "gankers" yourself as you call it. Who are you to comment who we work with? Please don't get me wrong I don't mind the corp RKK or the people they work with I just don't see how you can make a comment like that. PS. Merry Christmas everyone Teddybears
Sun Ra	Posted - 2004.12.23 11:05:00 - [105] Originally by: Lifewire Edited by: Lifewire on 23/12/2004 11:01:04 Quote: 30 max in a gang wont work, you'll just have 4 gangs of 30 flying together You should try 30 gangs of 4 players - would help a lot to get a good kill-list. 1000 members with 5000 kills is more than pathetic and shows how blobbing backstabs your own team. Your blobbing makes you have less kills --> less loot, less tollings (if you can do tolling in a fleet battle lol). You complain a lot in this topic about that piracy was so badly nerfed that there is no way to make ISK with piracy. And this is your mistake: piracy still pays and it pays very good if you form small sized groups that farm traffic. It won¦t pay if you blob arround like an alliance, because you¦ll never get these extreme kill-ammount we get. Your whole chain of argues that you blob because piracy was so badly nerfed is completly wrong. Piracy works and the only thing that i miss is getting sec. hits for my crimes. Er no the lower kills is due to the fact we dont just shot anyone, you do, i wish i could but i cant
Sun Ra	Posted - 2004.12.23 11:05:00 - [106] Originally by: Lifewire Edited by: Lifewire on 23/12/2004 11:01:04 Quote: 30 max in a gang wont work, you'll just have 4 gangs of 30 flying together You should try 30 gangs of 4 players - would help a lot to get a good kill-list. 1000 members with 5000 kills is more than pathetic and shows how blobbing backstabs your own team. Your blobbing makes you have less kills --> less loot, less tollings (if you can do tolling in a fleet battle lol). You complain a lot in this topic about that piracy was so badly nerfed that there is no way to make ISK with piracy. And this is your mistake: piracy still pays and it pays very good if you form small sized groups that farm traffic. It won¦t pay if you blob arround like an alliance, because you¦ll never get these extreme kill-ammount we get. Your whole chain of argues that you blob because piracy was so badly nerfed is completly wrong. Piracy works and the only thing that i miss is getting sec. hits for my crimes. Er no the lower kills is due to the fact we dont just shot anyone, you do, i wish i could but i cant
Sun Ra	Posted - 2004.12.23 11:08:00 - [107] Originally by: Lefevre Originally by: Sun Ra The Teddybears I always thought you guys were cool, i always see you roleplaying the pirate and you at least try toll and ransom people rather than be pure gankers, it saddened me to see you guys align yourself with the pure ganker group called the Tundragons, but i can understand why you've done this, CCP made pirating near impossible and the bottom line is you guys are into small scale pvp and hanging around Dear Sun Ra. I have been fighting you and your corp RKK for longer then I can remember in this game. You used to be the anti-pirates then you aligned with "gankers" yourself as you call it. Who are you to comment who we work with? Please don't get me wrong I don't mind the corp RKK or the people they work with I just don't see how you can make a comment like that. PS. Merry Christmas everyone We gank but we dont try to hide the fact. My post dealt with the facts are you pirates or are you gankers, is there any diffrence, pirates toll, gankers dont? how often do you toll? if hardly doesn't that mean you are no longer pirates but just gankers? please explain
Sun Ra	Posted - 2004.12.23 11:08:00 - [108] Originally by: Lefevre Originally by: Sun Ra The Teddybears I always thought you guys were cool, i always see you roleplaying the pirate and you at least try toll and ransom people rather than be pure gankers, it saddened me to see you guys align yourself with the pure ganker group called the Tundragons, but i can understand why you've done this, CCP made pirating near impossible and the bottom line is you guys are into small scale pvp and hanging around Dear Sun Ra. I have been fighting you and your corp RKK for longer then I can remember in this game. You used to be the anti-pirates then you aligned with "gankers" yourself as you call it. Who are you to comment who we work with? Please don't get me wrong I don't mind the corp RKK or the people they work with I just don't see how you can make a comment like that. PS. Merry Christmas everyone We gank but we dont try to hide the fact. My post dealt with the facts are you pirates or are you gankers, is there any diffrence, pirates toll, gankers dont? how often do you toll? if hardly doesn't that mean you are no longer pirates but just gankers? please explain
Lefevre	Posted - 2004.12.23 11:17:00 - [109] Originally by: Sun Ra We gank but we dont try to hide the fact. My post dealt with the facts are you pirates or are you gankers, is there any diffrence, pirates toll, gankers dont? how often do you toll? if hardly doesn't that mean you are no longer pirates but just gankers? please explain I think you misunderstood me Sun Ra. My post was not about who is the gankers of this game and who isn't. I personally don't care if people believe I'm a pirate or not I have just made my own style of play. My point was what makes you define tundragons as gankers? I am just wondering? Have you met all members of Tundragons? I think the nonsense on these eve-online forums about pirates gankers etc. have gone for long enough. I remember a time where pirates were defined as people who tolled others at the gate (etc space invaders). I remember a time where alliances where pirates. Every people have their own view on the definations in a game. I must say I found it offensive when you try to comment on the choices we the Teddybears did. I feel the comment was out of place. Teddybears
Lefevre	Posted - 2004.12.23 11:17:00 - [110] Originally by: Sun Ra We gank but we dont try to hide the fact. My post dealt with the facts are you pirates or are you gankers, is there any diffrence, pirates toll, gankers dont? how often do you toll? if hardly doesn't that mean you are no longer pirates but just gankers? please explain I think you misunderstood me Sun Ra. My post was not about who is the gankers of this game and who isn't. I personally don't care if people believe I'm a pirate or not I have just made my own style of play. My point was what makes you define tundragons as gankers? I am just wondering? Have you met all members of Tundragons? I think the nonsense on these eve-online forums about pirates gankers etc. have gone for long enough. I remember a time where pirates were defined as people who tolled others at the gate (etc space invaders). I remember a time where alliances where pirates. Every people have their own view on the definations in a game. I must say I found it offensive when you try to comment on the choices we the Teddybears did. I feel the comment was out of place. Teddybears
Derekian	Posted - 2004.12.23 11:18:00 - [111] Hehe one day i didn't play EVE and havoc started Anyhow to your topic - You call us gankers and not pirates. Let me explain you something my dear friend Sun Ra, when we see on the map that there is a big blob like...5 jumps away? And when we know that the map doesn't update so often so they COULD be on the other side of the gate we are sitting, do you think that we REALLY have time to convo that nice battleship pilot and negotiate about payment? Nope we dont because his friends from BoB will jump in and ***** own us..... - Now about your corp/alliance. You should really learn to judge urself before judging others. We are the gankers? We are the flamers? We were camping a gate with ONE battleship and 3 frigates and you guys jumped in TEN+ battleships....who the are the gankers????? And about flaming, your friend DB Preacher was in local and Life offered him a safe passage for 5mil he gave us this cute answer: Quote:** [ 2004.12.21 20:56:07 ] DB Preacher > sorry don't deal with whiners Now...Life gave him an offer....Life acted like a "pirate". We toll almost EVERY pod we catch, we only kill them imediatly if we dont have time. So please before coming here and flaming so much next time try to get some better info. You will never understand how TDG/Teddys or ANY corp out there really works just from a fight, a gank or their forum activites. Just my opinions.....
Derekian	Posted - 2004.12.23 11:18:00 - [112] Hehe one day i didn't play EVE and havoc started Anyhow to your topic - You call us gankers and not pirates. Let me explain you something my dear friend Sun Ra, when we see on the map that there is a big blob like...5 jumps away? And when we know that the map doesn't update so often so they COULD be on the other side of the gate we are sitting, do you think that we REALLY have time to convo that nice battleship pilot and negotiate about payment? Nope we dont because his friends from BoB will jump in and ***** own us..... - Now about your corp/alliance. You should really learn to judge urself before judging others. We are the gankers? We are the flamers? We were camping a gate with ONE battleship and 3 frigates and you guys jumped in TEN+ battleships....who the are the gankers????? And about flaming, your friend DB Preacher was in local and Life offered him a safe passage for 5mil he gave us this cute answer: Quote:** [ 2004.12.21 20:56:07 ] DB Preacher > sorry don't deal with whiners Now...Life gave him an offer....Life acted like a "pirate". We toll almost EVERY pod we catch, we only kill them imediatly if we dont have time. So please before coming here and flaming so much next time try to get some better info. You will never understand how TDG/Teddys or ANY corp out there really works just from a fight, a gank or their forum activites. Just my opinions.....
Lifewire	Posted - 2004.12.23 12:10:00 - [113] Sun RA - we toll nearly every pod we get. There are situations that don¦t allow a tolling, for example pod in jumprange or warpscrambler active for 30 seconds and no ready scrambler avaiable or incomming enemys. One of the reasons why i proposed "strike colors button" month ago - also a good idea nobody listened to. Fact is, i am happy that you offer me such a good platform here to publish these ideas again. We don¦t toll people that flame or hate us though. If you read what you all wrote in this topic you should find out that you complain very much about piracy beeing so hard what make you use a blob. You complain about alliances have 150 players while you had less players. And you refuse the things that i demanded because they will make piracy even harder. Face it: if you need to blob you are weak. Finally you have to hire experts like the Jokers, because you can¦t handle some small corps that refuse to join your blob. All this doesnt make you look good. Alliance folks can¦t like my ideas, because my ideas will not only make my gamestyle harder, it will also make alliance guys life harder. I can accept if you want to go on with EVE like it is. I am sorry for you that you can¦t see how much EVE would be improved with my ideas so i keep arguing - if you and DB Preacher think it¦s a good idea to flame instead of arguing and working together on a better game, then do this. It¦s your reputation that suffers.
Lifewire	Posted - 2004.12.23 12:10:00 - [114] Sun RA - we toll nearly every pod we get. There are situations that don¦t allow a tolling, for example pod in jumprange or warpscrambler active for 30 seconds and no ready scrambler avaiable or incomming enemys. One of the reasons why i proposed "strike colors button" month ago - also a good idea nobody listened to. Fact is, i am happy that you offer me such a good platform here to publish these ideas again. We don¦t toll people that flame or hate us though. If you read what you all wrote in this topic you should find out that you complain very much about piracy beeing so hard what make you use a blob. You complain about alliances have 150 players while you had less players. And you refuse the things that i demanded because they will make piracy even harder. Face it: if you need to blob you are weak. Finally you have to hire experts like the Jokers, because you can¦t handle some small corps that refuse to join your blob. All this doesnt make you look good. Alliance folks can¦t like my ideas, because my ideas will not only make my gamestyle harder, it will also make alliance guys life harder. I can accept if you want to go on with EVE like it is. I am sorry for you that you can¦t see how much EVE would be improved with my ideas so i keep arguing - if you and DB Preacher think it¦s a good idea to flame instead of arguing and working together on a better game, then do this. It¦s your reputation that suffers.
Boonaki	Posted - 2004.12.23 12:19:00 - [115] I'm pretty ****ed off that no one trys to ransom me, it's always shoot first, tank later. They never ask any questions :( Fear the Ibis of doom.
Boonaki	Posted - 2004.12.23 12:19:00 - [116] I'm pretty ****ed off that no one trys to ransom me, it's always shoot first, tank later. They never ask any questions :( Fear the Ibis of doom.
Kaiser	Posted - 2004.12.23 12:32:00 - [117] Gank and Blobs are the same thing. Gank: people attacking enemy with overwhelming force BloB: people moving in large numbers in order to attack enemy with overwhelming force. It's the same thing, and like it or not, almost all of us pvp do that. If you see an enemy BS flying, and you are in 3 BS what you gonna do? u gonna kill him. Blob is the same approach, just on larger scale.
Kaiser	Posted - 2004.12.23 12:32:00 - [118] Gank and Blobs are the same thing. Gank: people attacking enemy with overwhelming force BloB: people moving in large numbers in order to attack enemy with overwhelming force. It's the same thing, and like it or not, almost all of us pvp do that. If you see an enemy BS flying, and you are in 3 BS what you gonna do? u gonna kill him. Blob is the same approach, just on larger scale.
Lifewire	Posted - 2004.12.23 12:36:00 - [119] Actually fine that a Celestial Apoc corp member shows up! Celstial Apoc are known to be one of the last true pirate hunter corps and i would like to know of you guys: would you prefer having a weird mass of players with white bracket or would you prefer having game mechanisms that allow you you to definitvly know who is pirate and who is only a guy that wants to make some ISK in 0.0? I try to imagine how i would think if i would be in Celstial Apoc. I probaly "would want to be roleplaying close to police - player police". I would try to kill lots of the evil guys and help the weak victims. But: i would have one problem: how do i know who is who??? How can i try to play a "police character" when there is no crime in 0.0 and nobody knows who does crimes and who is in a war or who is simply totally peacefull. Celestial Apocs career type is as bugged as ours, even if you still try to keep it alive.
Lifewire	Posted - 2004.12.23 12:36:00 - [120] Actually fine that a Celestial Apoc corp member shows up! Celstial Apoc are known to be one of the last true pirate hunter corps and i would like to know of you guys: would you prefer having a weird mass of players with white bracket or would you prefer having game mechanisms that allow you you to definitvly know who is pirate and who is only a guy that wants to make some ISK in 0.0? I try to imagine how i would think if i would be in Celstial Apoc. I probaly "would want to be roleplaying close to police - player police". I would try to kill lots of the evil guys and help the weak victims. But: i would have one problem: how do i know who is who??? How can i try to play a "police character" when there is no crime in 0.0 and nobody knows who does crimes and who is in a war or who is simply totally peacefull. Celestial Apocs career type is as bugged as ours, even if you still try to keep it alive.

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