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Jay Marshall
Caldari
Walks Forever Trade Inc
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Posted - 2010.08.15 16:12:00 -
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My friends and fellow pilots,
I come before you today to tell you all of a crime most foul. A crime that truly strikes at the very hearts and minds of all pilots here in New Eden. We are a immortal race, forever moving forward due to the advent of clone technology, but we must always remember that life is still fleeting and precious.
Azia Burgi realized this and over three years ago built the EVE Cemetery, a massive graveyard dedicated to memorializing the fallen. It was considered one of the sites to visit by you and other pilots when traversing the various regions, indeed many commented that it was one of the wonders of New Eden.
This dream came to an end just over two years ago, when members of anarchist alliance of Goonswarm destroyed the EVE Cemetery in a fit of pure stupidity and childish tantrums. An action that they further denigrated by actually ransoming off the bodies of the interred to their current personages and then when not paid the ransom, destroying them on public vid feed.
New Eden mourned the loss and indeed its founder and sole caretaker, Azia, wept.
In a show of pure selflessness and tenacity Azia picked up the pieces and started again. She was determined that the fallen would have a place to sleep, a monument to their works and efforts in New Eden. A place where their current personages could come and contemplate their own lives. When it went online it was once again heralded as one of the wonders of New Eden.
In the two years Azia has managed to more the double the original size of the cemetery, a sign that the greater majority of New EdenÆs pilots saw the place as sacred. Those that visited commented that it was an amazing site and indeed the movers and shakers of New Eden even donated their own corpses to be interred.
Now this great work, this monument to the fallen, this sacred site to our deeds, our suffering, our blood and tears has once again been targeted by the foul anarchist movement known as the Goonswarm. Again these terrorists, for that is what they truly are, have targeted one of New EdenÆs most harmless pilots and her monument to your deeds, your efforts to make New Eden yours.
I humbly come before you all to beseech your aid in protecting this wonder of New Eden from these terrorists and to lend your arms to destroy the Goonswarm wherever they may be.
The Cemetery itself sits in Molea 2 Moon 1 and the war-dec was filed today at 1330hrs New Eden common time.
I ask you all to please set aside your differences for a short while, to stand shoulder to shoulder with each other, to direct your arms not against each other but against the fanatics of Goonswarm and show them that this type of action will not be permitted in New Eden.
Your humble servant,
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CEO
Walks Forever Trade Inc
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Lady Lard
Caldari
Resistance Project
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Posted - 2010.08.15 16:24:00 -
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hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...
I remember this well and enjoyed it very much. Something about ransoming the corpses and then vaporizing them as their immortal owners freaked out was something special indeed.
However, times change and people do as well. Best of luck to the new cemetery... |
Odelya d'Hanguest
1st Praetorian Guard
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Posted - 2010.08.15 17:19:00 -
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Edited by: Odelya d''Hanguest on 15/08/2010 17:19:20
Dear Mr. Marshall,
I have read your announcement with great consternation and declare myself to be in full agreement with your call to arms. My family strongly condemns the deviant and despicable acts of terrorism against the cemetery in Molea.
May God protect you and may many capsuleers follow your call,
Odelya dÆHanguest
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2010.08.15 17:22:00 -
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Oh no, a bunch of corpses are going to get blown up.
Again.
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Jakiin
Amarr
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
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Posted - 2010.08.15 17:45:00 -
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I might be missing a point, but couldn't the corpses simply be moved? I'm sure it would take some time, and some effort to keep track of them all, but surely it's possible.
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Jakiin Torash
Holder Heir of the Kingdom
Chief Diplomatic Officer
Uncle Jak wants YOU to join the Khanid Provincial Vanguard! |
ChowMung
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.08.15 21:14:00 -
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Goonswarm Federation absolutely requires those corpses for our necrophili-.. Uh, I mean we need to liberate their souls and stuff ya know. For great justice!
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TheLordofAllandNothing
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.08.15 21:21:00 -
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Edited by: TheLordofAllandNothing on 15/08/2010 21:23:06
If the corpses are completely destroyed by the creator of this abomination by tommorow, we shall have mercy and spare it.
We are completely reasonable gentlemen in goonswarm as you can see. A civilised resolution to this horrifying situation would be preferred by both parties.
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Sofia Roseburn
Caldari
Mercury Mercenaries Inc.
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Posted - 2010.08.15 22:40:00 -
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**** happens. It's hardly a meaningful loss.
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Myxx
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.15 22:46:00 -
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Edited by: Myxx on 15/08/2010 22:47:21
 Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Oh no, a bunch of corpses are going to get blown up.
Again.
This, pretty much. For some reason, I found it hilarious.
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Stitcher
Caldari
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2010.08.15 23:03:00 -
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"corpse" is a bit of a misnomer, really. We're talking about used biomass here. The pilots who once owned those bodies are still alive and well somewhere in New Eden, and likely unaware that their former host clones are part of the collection.
In short, this isn't desecration of the dead that the goons are doing, because none of the bodies involved belong to people who are actually permanently dead and gone.
I object to what they're doing on the grounds that it consists of picking on a harmless eccentric for no good, rational reason. But then again, in the entire time they've existed, the Goons haven't done ANYTHING for a good rational reason.
Sad as it is to see any public service, however unusual it may be, become the target of unjustified aggression, it's not like the memory of anybody who is actually dead is being disrespected here. Frankly, if she has any of my former clones in the collection, I hope they get vaporized. The collection of each others' corpses is a capsuleer habit I've always found morbid and unsettling.
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Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain.
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Selma Body
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.08.15 23:27:00 -
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Edited by: Selma Body on 15/08/2010 23:27:43
By holding these poor corpses hostage you are not allowing them to move on, we MUST liberate them.
Many of these poor souls have come to me in a vision and spoke of the atrocities you have put them through at that place, the late night "visits" and the weekly "hide the sausage" games are finished my good sir.
THEIR CRIES FOR HELP WILL NO LONGER GO UNHEARD.
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Julia Nielsen
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Posted - 2010.08.15 23:36:00 -
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Holy Capsuleers,
We have heard of your plight. The rogue band known as Goonswarm Federation has besmirched thine hallowed name and now they seek to defame one of your holiest sites, the New Eden Cemetary. We simple folk bound to the planets that flash beneath your ships will pray for your continued health and for the downfall of the wretched hive of villany that are the "goons". We ask that you go to war against these despicable pirates in order to save that which is so dear to you all: the remains of your fallen comrades.
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Fournone
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Posted - 2010.08.16 00:10:00 -
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Have we really sunken this low? Instead of protecting this marvel of eve you are grabbing popcorn and waiting for the big bang! I thought that some would think that this is a terrible thing. Instead I see capsuleers cheering the goons on, and I am ashamed. I would declare support for Azia, but I am unable to do so. High Command simply won't risk an attack on the goons. If indeed the goons destroy this cemetery, I will be right there with a welding torch form day one, trying to bring it back to its former glory. The best of luck to you who will fight to defend the cemetery, Godspeed.
o7
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Sofia Roseburn
Caldari
Mercury Mercenaries Inc.
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Posted - 2010.08.16 00:27:00 -
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Originally by: Fournone
Have we really sunken this low?
Oh no, humanity has sunk another notch closer to the inhuma-
Please. This is nothing in the great scale of things, just one group of people not taking a liking to a bunch of corpses floating in boxes in space.
Originally by: Fournone
Instead of protecting this marvel of eve you are grabbing popcorn and waiting for the big bang!
Ironically, when the big bang happens, I'm sure there will be more corpses to add to the cans in space. In addition to that, the wrecks of the ships fighting over the cemetery might make some capsuleers rich. Win win situation.
Originally by: Fournone
I thought that some would think that this is a terrible thing.
Oh I'm sure there are. Much as I'm sure they are the ones who are loading ammunition so that they can honour the dead by more practical means rather than whining on GalNet.
Originally by: Fournone
Instead I see capsuleers cheering the goons on, and I am ashamed. I would declare support for Azia, but I am unable to do so. High Command simply won't risk an attack on the goons.
Ashamed? What a laughable suggestion. If you truly cared, you would be leaving your corporation and taking the fight to them. If you cared, of course. Hiding behind the skirts of an unaffiliated corporation and preaching on IGS makes me ashamed that people like you have the right to apply for pilot licenses. Grow a backbone.
Originally by: Fournone
If indeed the goons destroy this cemetery, I will be right there with a welding torch form day one, trying to bring it back to its former glory. The best of luck to you who will fight to defend the cemetery, Godspeed.
o7
You'd do more honour to the dead by letting them rest in peace rather than rattling them about in their boxes every time anything resembling a threat comes around. When you are already dead, someone destroying your coffin isn't going to bring you back to life. It'll just make you more dead.
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Stitcher
Caldari
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2010.08.16 02:57:00 -
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it bears repeating - there's a real distinction between the biomass in that graveyard, and the remains of a person who has met their terminal fate. The way I see it, all of those corpses belonged to people who went on to reincarnate, and are still alive and kicking somewhere. Which means that nobody's memory is actually being desecrated, so there's no reason to get all worked up over it.
And if I got on the warpath every time the strong preyed upon the weak in New Eden, I'd need Jita's monthly supply of missiles just to keep up.
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Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain.
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Eliza Velvetpaw
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Posted - 2010.08.16 06:15:00 -
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Edited by: Eliza Velvetpaw on 16/08/2010 06:17:09
I'm offering cheap targeting computers from my stock.
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Alica Wildfire
Minmatar
Federal Investigations Agency
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Posted - 2010.08.16 06:22:00 -
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I already have stated my position when this had happened before.
The fuzz about the death is mainly a thing of the Amarrian culture, most of us Matari don't see any value in the dead meat that is left behind when a warrior dies in battle. We burn it if it's beginning to stink or we reprocess the biomass and feed it to the dogs.
Biomass to biomass.
Ashes to ashes.
Who cares? In our minds is the eternal reminder of the dead, not in his bones.
Let it burn, I say. Burn, burn, burn. I would not mind the place important enough to waste the effort but a good burning is something that can warm the heart.
And for the remains of the warriors that are heaped there it means that they vaporize in a battle - how better can it end for a warrior?
Goonswarm or not. To burn this is right.
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FREEDOM, PUNK & AUTOCANNONS
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Avion Saberis
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.16 07:16:00 -
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<BWAHAHAHAHA!> Y-y-you've got the be kidding me right? <contuines to laugh uncontrolably> Goonswarm knows what they are doing. It's too funny, to let such an optunity slip by. <starts to clam down, though his crazy looks never seem to disappear> If you want to "honor" you dead clones, then put them in the ground or attach them to your ship, or better yet, start a collection. Either way, it seems pretty stupid to get your panties in a bunch over some dead clones. Meh, if you really want a cemetary for them, go ahead, but expect people like goonswarm to do this again, and again. <Burst out laughing evily and insanly>
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I like to hide, then when the right moment comes, i go pew, pew, pew, then i go back to hiding, :) |
DaiTengu
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.08.16 09:00:00 -
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I was sitting in my Aeon the other day (as it's the only ship shy of a titan that will hold my massive bulk) thinking about food, when suddenly an ISD news report flashed across my optical implants.
"Well what do we have here?" I asked, and I demanded one of my stooges read it aloud to me, as the fat on my face has made me nearly blind.
"The Eve Cemetery, sir, it has reached critical mass!"
"I must have human flesh! I must feast upon the corpses of the fallen! I want to bathe in their blood, drink their decomposing fluids, play with the worms and the maggots that devour them. I MUST FEAST!"
"Yes, my lord!" exclaimed a frightened slave, fearful that he would be next upon my dinner plate if he did not spread word of my desires to the rest of the crew, and eventually, the rest of the swarm.
The reason that we come this time is not for terrorism, not for tears, but because I'm hungry, and because I, too, have reached critical mass. The graveyard is the only thing that can sate my hunger, both sexually and gastronomically.
This would be so much easier if you just let me take them, but you will not, so I must destroy. There is pleasure in the destruction, but not as much as there is in the devouring!
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TheLordofAllandNothing
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.08.16 11:54:00 -
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Confirming daitengu is incredibly fat.
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Syn Callibri
Minmatar
Blacklight Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.08.16 14:22:00 -
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Edited by: Syn Callibri on 16/08/2010 14:26:33
...the fallen shall be honored and consumed upon funerary pyres, that thier spirit be free to travel to the Hall of Warriors and take its place among the ancestors where the brave shall live forever...
This is the way of the Matari, not condeming the fallen's spirit to wander the cold vacuum of space without rest. I am not a fan of the calussai d'l'elghinyrr <eaters of the dead> (aka. Goonswarm), no more than I would be the fleas on a Rothe'...however, if the "corpses" are to be consumed in the fires of battle, so be it.
Ilharess Syn Callibri of the Scorpion Clan
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Lady Lard
Caldari
Resistance Project
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Posted - 2010.08.16 19:07:00 -
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Confirming that daitengu's squad sucks and that topgoon is best goon. |
DaiTengu
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.08.16 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Lard
Confirming that daitengu's squad sucks and that topgoon is best goon.
I am a member of both sigma squad and topgoon due to my massive size.
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Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
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Posted - 2010.08.16 20:57:00 -
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What something is, and what something represents to some can be 2 different things.
A cemetery contains (decaying) organic matter, sometimes burned to ash. What it represents to some people is a place to remember the dead.
The graves at the EVE cemetery may merely contain the former shells of the capsuleers that may have long since moved on, what they represent to me, is one of the few places where I remember those that have fallen under their command, the crew that rarely get such a place for their only shell.
But still, I care many times more for the souls on the starbase, and the ones that will try to protect them.
But what I find surprising, is that some, some of which I would think to be more wise, care more to voice their support for the possible incineration of their biowaste at this cost.
Peace,
-ChT Biko
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Stitcher
Caldari
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2010.08.16 22:29:00 -
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Even a small, utterly undefended tower takes so long to bring down that even the greenest and most panicky crew members should have no trouble evacuating in time.
I suppose it's a fair point that it'd be nice to have some monument to all those millions of deceased crew personnel, but I can think of more fitting memorials than a sepulchre devoted to the very people they died working for.
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Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain.
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So Sensational
GREY COUNCIL
Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2010.08.16 23:19:00 -
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Originally by: Fournone
Have we really sunken this low again?
o7
Why yes good sir, as shocking as it may be it would seem that we have indeed sunken this low again.
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Alica Wildfire
Minmatar
Federal Investigations Agency
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Posted - 2010.08.17 10:50:00 -
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While we are at it… Has anybody an idea if one could raise an evil army of undead capsuleer clones from the remains of those bodies? Certainly I'm not talking about unholy rituals but I'm talking about modern, clean science.
There is just a practical idea behind this that each new clone is costing a lot of money and I have not talked about implants at all - yet. Bodies in space battles tend to be well preserved, deep frozen in fact, with either minor damage or completely vaporized.
With a cheap set of implants it should be possible to revive the flesh and in the brain tissue the learned patterns of a pilot should still be possible to activate. Of cause, of cause the freezening should have destroyed some parts of the mental capacity so you can not expect somethings real from that but it should be better than those abdominations of the Sansha or not?
And besides this nobody has to suffer, whoever does this has the benefit of cheap and willing tools so to say spaceship flying expert machines.
What concerns me of cause is the ethical question if those revived entities are alive or not. If the brain patterns that you reanimate make them a human again. If that is so this would be nothing but slavery and slavery I strongly reject.
But I don't think so. The cloning technology only allows one clone to be really alive so I think an undead body of a dead capsuleer should be considered something like a thing, not a person.
We Matari make not much a fuzz about the remains of the dead. We usually vaporize them to make them stop stinking, but this appliance is interesting, isn't it? I already have begun to experiment with dead frogs. I have one dead frog here that is jumping happily around with some minor reanimation current surges.
The cam is showing a halve decayed frog that is jumping over the surface of a table. He has an electric current and a micro power sell stripped on his back. Finally he jumps over the edge and falls into the dustbin.
Of cause I have not managed to get into the brain structure of the dead tissue. This small experiment just uses the muscle flesh and revives it with simple electricity. At the moment I try to program the micro circiut in a way to make the frog dance. This is something that I have seen before when I discovered a shipload of abdominations of pets that were shipped towards the Empire in the time of the holy days of the new year feast of the Amarr.
Of cause I have to find a way to stop the stinking of the the carcass, but my first experiments are promising. This technology can actually be used for something. For something better than just toys for children that sing unbearable chorals and other things.
I have seen such braindead pilots already in the Abudban Icebelt, where the pilot lost his ship due to a economy saving and deflaction fighting suicide attack, and his pod returned, stood in the belt for an exact time, then returned to base, came back and so forth for hours and hours. This is a clear sign of beeing brain dead for me, so this technology must work somehow. Don't know if that pilot was using a dead clone or what, but imagine how we could fight the Amarrian invasion on our space, how we could fight the internal problems for our agents or the stupid mining thing in future.
But we could go further. All those things you have to do and don't like to do could be done by them. Like the annual tax thing for example.
This could be useful technology! If somebody is willing to spend his next clone for my experiments or has himself advanced results of reanimating dead flesh, please contact me.
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FREEDOM, PUNK & AUTOCANNONS
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Phosphorus Palladium
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Posted - 2010.08.17 22:55:00 -
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Goonswarm pilots are known to have some serious deficiencies.
Attention whoring being just one of them.
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Odelya d'Hanguest
1st Praetorian Guard
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Posted - 2010.08.17 23:51:00 -
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Originally by: Alica Wildfire
And besides this nobody has to suffer, whoever does this has the benefit of cheap and willing tools so to say spaceship flying expert machines. [...] I think an undead body of a dead capsuleer should be considered something like a thing, not a person.
Miss Wildfire,
how very excellent! A supposed slave is proposing to breed an army of depersonalised slaves... I am going to capture a portrait of you and submit it to the Imperial Academy for an encyclopaedic entry of ôPsychological Projectionö...
As one of our bishops once said: ôHe who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you.ö
In your case the monsters you are obsessed with only exist in your mind. LetÆs hope that your blasphemous phantasies will stay there too and that they stay what they are: projective phantasies of a corrupt ôscientistö. Remember: Without God there is no real, no clean science.
Odelya dÆHanguest
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Arianhod
Red Dwarf Mining Corporation
space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2010.08.18 02:06:00 -
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Having considered all the available options, I am left with disgust that Goonswarm would destroy these cans containing precious human remains.
Its not as if I wouldn't have paid 50 isk for each one for my Corpse Cannon, the Jita 4-4 station won't be destroyed by a mere million high speed corpses now will it? 
Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007.
Haruhiists - Redeclaring open warfare on Out of Pod since 2010. |
Syn Callibri
Minmatar
Blacklight Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.08.18 02:37:00 -
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Edited by: Syn Callibri on 18/08/2010 02:39:43
As one of our bishops once said: ôHe who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you.ö
Odelya dÆHanguest
How interesting that you should mention that perticular passage my dear...
"...beware when fighting beasts, lest you become one yourself. As you stare into the darkness, it stares into you..."
...how interesting that you should mention a passage from the book of Vulkor, a Matari god.
Ilharess Syn Callibri of the Scorpion Clan
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Alica Wildfire
Minmatar
Federal Investigations Agency
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Posted - 2010.08.18 07:04:00 -
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Originally by: Odelya d'Hanguest
A supposed slave is proposing to breed an army of depersonalised slaves... I am going to capture a portrait of you and submit it to the Imperial Academy for an encyclopaedic entry of ôPsychological Projectionö...
In your case the monsters you are obsessed with only exist in your mind. LetÆs hope that your blasphemous phantasies will stay there too and that they stay what they are: projective phantasies of a corrupt ôscientistö. Remember: Without God there is no real, no clean science.
We are not talking about slavery. We are talking about biological machinery. And you don't want to tell me that every machine around you is just a "depersonalized slave" or not? There is no will in it. There is no life.
And if you begin talking about gods, there is even no spirit in it - anymore if you look at a dead body.
I could have mentioned that those dead bodies that are heaped in that forcefield of that POS actually have a huge market value. You all know that pilot that is paying 200k, no up to 500k for each dead clone. I personally find it disgusting to use the remains of the dead to worship them. And a cemetry like that is nothing else, a place for worship death.
Disgusting.
What I'm talking about is something different. Tissue and muscles are something like cheap available and still highly complex machinery. To construct a machine of the complexibility of a frog for example would costs a lot of ISK, maybe a thousand. To grow that thing costs near to nothing.
She places a living frog on the laboratory bench in front of her.
This is a living beeing. It is something that we respect. Something we do not make suffer, something we do not enslave for example and where a lot of ethical things must not be done.
She cuts the head off with a scalpell. The frog twitches once then is still.
Sorry, my dear. For science.
But we are allowed to kill. If we kill with respect for the beeing and know what we do. In fact we must kill if we want to survive. Many people that live deep in civilisation have never seen blood. They think killing is something unnatural. But it is the most natural thing there is. I was fishing as a child and cut the heads of fishes of. Dozens, hundreds. I was hunting as a young girl, I shot "Bambi". I shot it, I ripped the skin off and I disemboweled it. I hung the carcass in a tree to make it dry up and ready for eating. I drank it's blood.
She looks straight into the camera.
In fact here is no abyss in which I stare. To die is natural. And to use the remains of the dead bodies is also natural. We drink the blood, we eat the flesh, we wear the skin as clothing. We build spears and bows, even boats from the bones, we cook the bones to soap. This here…
She holds up the dead frog.
…is a resource. And instead of wasting it, I will show you what you can do with it. It is not cruel, it is not twisted. It is the way it is going. It is not "for science" if you want to make me a wierd scientist. I am not. But science gives us opportunities to use this ressource in a better way than just eating it. Or making tools from it like the mentioned above.
She hands the dead frog over to one of her teammates.
We have worked on our technology, which is not very much work to do. The head of the frog and most of the brain is useless. It's too stupid to be useful. Because this body does not need to eat anymore. We will inject some nutrients in it and a micropump will keep the nutrient flowing, better than the heart. We will not use most of the intestines anymore, because to be honest most of the living being is about processing food. Which I find inefficient.
We have prepaired a new version of our implant for the frog. To show how this can be used. And how the remains can be used better. It has nothing to do with slavery. Because we do not break any will. In fact we respected the life as long as it lasted. But now…
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FREEDOM, PUNK & AUTOCANNONS
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Alica Wildfire
Minmatar
Federal Investigations Agency
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Posted - 2010.08.18 07:21:00 -
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--cont--
She turns to her teammember, which hands her the prepaired frog.
…I can present you the next version of our experiment. We have put a new cybernetic head on the frog. Here and here, you can see the nutrient injection into the body and the whole thing is powered by this microcell here. Nanomechanic pumps keep the fluid floating and this nanomechanic microprocessors here control the whole thing. Okay. And this here is something that I'm proud of…
The frog has a mouth of sharp iron teeth.
…this is not about food processing, this is about showing you what this enhanced frog can do. While I showed you the processing of this one frog my team, that is currently not building nuclear reactors anymore, because the prices are too low, turned to this new project.
In this container you see the infamous yellow feathered blood heron, one of the most evil natural enemies of this frog. He is used to eat up to hundred frogs a day.
In this box we have a couple of prepared frogs. Fifty of them. We now show you the superiority of this applience.
The box gets attached to the Plexiglas container of the heron. On her sign the door between the containers open and the frogs assault the vicious looking heron. The heron is surprised for a moment by the attacking frogs, then kills a few, but other frogs bite through his legs, climb his body. The large bird is struggling for survival, than falling for his legs are severed, some frogs bite through his carotid and bursting in a fountain of blood the bird dies shortly after.
The frogs begin to disessemble the body.
This is indeed something that you never would see in nature. For we have made the natural inferior species with this technology able to overcome the superior in his food chain. Without much effort.
A problem that we still suffer is nekrosis. These frogs live for a few weeks, then some of the unused organs begin to decay. And we can't stop the process to infect the whole body. Maybe if you strip off the whole intestines and evey organ that is not used anymore and fill it with something else…
She is pondering about that and scratching her nose in a cute way.
I think this might work. But you see that this applience of flesh is not unnatural. It is new, yes, but we always used remains of dead bodies for something. I have to excuse the bloody mess I did, but to make things kill each other is much easier than to make them dance. I'm still working on this dancing frog thing but I have problems with the coordination to the music. Those damn machines are stupidly emotionless and have not a faint idea what music is and how to dance to it. Why to dance at all.
But we are working on that. Promise.
She smiles into to camera and holds a thumb up.
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TheLordofAllandNothing
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.08.18 11:00:00 -
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Originally by: Arianhod
Having considered all the available options, I am left with disgust that Goonswarm would destroy these cans containing precious human remains.
STUPID GOONIES HAVE NO HONOURE
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Arianhod
Red Dwarf Mining Corporation
space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2010.08.18 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: TheLordofAllandNothing
Originally by: Arianhod
Having considered all the available options, I am left with disgust that Goonswarm would destroy these cans containing precious human remains.
STUPID GOONIES HAVE NO HONOURE
Damn you sir, I WANTED THOSE CORPSES AS AMMUNITION!
I have a dream of Gatling artillery cannons flinging fleshy munitions at confused pilots!!
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Jakiin
Amarr
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
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Posted - 2010.08.18 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: Syn Callibri
How interesting that you should mention that perticular passage my dear...
"...beware when fighting beasts, lest you become one yourself. As you stare into the darkness, it stares into you..."
...how interesting that you should mention a passage from the book of Vulkor, a Matari god.
I just love it when my disgust of a foreigner's ignorance is mixed with the shame of one of my brothers or sisters in the Faith being so woefully ignorant.
The quote above does not belong to any bishop - unless he was attempting to look more knowledgeable than he really was. Nor does it belong to some pagan god. It belongs to an old Terran philosopher whose works by luck managed to survive. One Friedrich Nietzsche who, so far as we can tell from what survived, was quite positive that religion put blinders on humanity.
I find it incredibly ironic that at least two people have attempted to hijack this man's words to support a religion, really.
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Holder Heir of the Kingdom
Chief Diplomatic Officer
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Odelya d'Hanguest
1st Praetorian Guard
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Posted - 2010.08.18 12:07:00 -
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Edited by: Odelya d''Hanguest on 18/08/2010 12:07:12
Jakiin,
it saddens me to see that you use the IGS to affront members of esteemed families tied to the Royal Court. Instead of wasting your time with insults, you should instruct the heathens or at least exchange your insults in private.
I remember the bishopÆs words lucidly, they were spoken a few weeks ago during a service at Tal-Romon Cathedral. Unfortunately the bishop wasn't introduced to me by name.
But I think we should return to the topic.
(( Of course this quote belongs to Friedrich Nietzsche. He said: ôWer mit Ungeheuern kSmpft, mag zusehn, da¯ er nicht dabei zum Ungeheuer wird. Und wenn du lange in einen Abgrund blickst, blickt der Abgrund auch in dich hinein.ö But 21448 years after his death it would really surprise me if he is still remembered very well, when even ôEarthö seems to be forgotten by most. ))
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KoffeeKup
Caldari
Azule Dragoons
Sspectre
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Posted - 2010.08.18 12:39:00 -
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Haven't ANY of you been podded? 
You die and wake up in a new body. So there for your views and philosophies on the metaphysical are null and void because my corpses soul is in my new clone. I don't have a ghost me wandering null sec cause I got my ass ****d by Black Star Alliance. I'm here. 
So cut that bull**** about needing to burying them and receiving contact from the deceased, cause they still alive.
Besides, everyone needs a hobby, hers just involves froze space bodies. Nothing wrong with that.
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KoffeeKup
Caldari
Azule Dragoons
Sspectre
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Posted - 2010.08.18 13:00:00 -
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Quote:
In your case the monsters you are obsessed with only exist in your mind. LetÆs hope that your blasphemous phantasies will stay there too and that they stay what they are: projective phantasies of a corrupt ôscientistö. Remember: Without God there is no real, no clean science.
Odelya dÆHanguest
Ya, but with god there ain't any good fun either, so i support the nice ladies idea of an army of zombie frogs. I could resurrect Mittenz my dead cat!  Or reanimate the heads of my enemies so i can gloat at them for ever! And wouldn't it be nice to make things clean up after you? Then you could let all them slaves go and then just have zombies. And the won't rot if kept in a cool dry place and fill them with embalming fluid.
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Syn Callibri
Minmatar
Blacklight Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.08.18 16:22:00 -
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Edited by: Syn Callibri on 18/08/2010 16:22:49
Originally by: Jakiin
Originally by: Syn Callibri
How interesting that you should mention that perticular passage my dear...
"...beware when fighting beasts, lest you become one yourself. As you stare into the darkness, it stares into you..."
...how interesting that you should mention a passage from the book of Vulkor, a Matari god.
I just love it when my disgust of a foreigner's ignorance is mixed with the shame of one of my brothers or sisters in the Faith being so woefully ignorant.
The quote above does not belong to any bishop - unless he was attempting to look more knowledgeable than he really was. Nor does it belong to some pagan god. It belongs to an old Terran philosopher whose works by luck managed to survive. One Friedrich Nietzsche who, so far as we can tell from what survived, was quite positive that religion put blinders on humanity.
I find it incredibly ironic that at least two people have attempted to hijack this man's words to support a religion, really.
All that your accusations and criticisms prove is that the lesson...regardless of who says it or the messages origin...is valid since it has trancended the bounderies of time, space and culture, so it should be heeded.
Wisdom is wisdom Jakiin...it knows no religions, territorial boundries, or political alignments.
Contemplate this before you make such a flagrant display of your own ignorance in the way of all things again.
Regards,
Ilharess Syn Callibri of the Scorpion Clan
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Eris Davion
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Posted - 2010.08.19 00:10:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Alica Wildfire
I think this might work. But you see that this applience of flesh is not unnatural. It is new, yes, but we always used remains of dead bodies for something. I have to excuse the bloody mess I did, but to make things kill each other is much easier than to make them dance. I'm still working on this dancing frog thing but I have problems with the coordination to the music. Those damn machines are stupidly emotionless and have not a faint idea what music is and how to dance to it. Why to dance at all.
But we are working on that. Promise.
She smiles into to camera and holds a thumb up.
I hear Kuvakei is still looking for capsuleer support. You seem like a good fit for his Nation; perhaps you should give him a call?
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TheLordofAllandNothing
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.08.19 08:31:00 -
[42]
Scratch one dead goatse storage.
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Alica Wildfire
Minmatar
Federal Investigations Agency
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Posted - 2010.08.19 12:34:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Eris Davion
I hear Kuvakei is still looking for capsuleer support. You seem like a good fit for his Nation; perhaps you should give him a call?
Are ya mad? I'd not support this ravaging madman, this slaver and his abdominations. His work is spitting in the face of science and ignores any ethical value humankind has evolved and paid with blood for.
What I'm trying to do is something different.
I'm not going to waste life for the cause of a wicket world domination plan of a ravaging egomaniac. I try to recycle things that just get wasted usually to use it for something that can be a benefit for everyone.
A fact is that almost everything we use as tools is in one or the other way the remains of something that was alive before. Or was something different, that we had to destroy. Like a miner destroys a field of roids to extract ore from it, like a rancher is killing cattle to get meat and a lumberjack is killing trees to get wood.
So, the way of using waste material has evolved over the time of industrial revolution, of science and humankind has always found new ways to use the dead stuff that is left behind.
Life itself is a very cheap and effective way to produce highlevel structures and compound materials as well as complex chemical molecules. The muscle tissue of dead animals and humans as well as the remaining nervous structures can be used. And don't tell me that eating flesh is in any way better than making it work for you. It is just a way of using it that is uncommon. You are not used to the new ways of technology that's all.
And while in history all cultures were doomed and were going to vanish from existence that were not able to adapt to change in technology and change in using stuff that is around us, I am certain this will be true for this technology too.
I don't know if you have taken a look at the price of Robotics lately. The prices are skyrocketing. We Matari were always searching for a cheap way to go around shortages and be innovative in finding solutions. I don't say a reanimated body of a dead mammal is better than a good solid robot but it's much much cheaper. And it is as dead as the latter an we have not to think about ethical questions if we stress the remains during the use and waste it in the end. There is no soul in the dead tissue.
I personally don't believe in a god and I doubt there is a soul anyway but I know that there are feelings. But those are gone if something dies. So what do we do with those dead clones? Burn them?
They are expensive ressources! I say: let's use them. The market value of dead flesh is near to nothing but it can still work for weeks if not months. Yes, the nekrosis problem is something we have to solve but the implants that we use on the tissue are easy to recylce so what gets lost by this is just the biological tissue.
Many of the cellular structure still works after life has gone. The eyes for example are working perfectly well even if the body is dead. Muscle tissue is also working well if it is prepared for use before the rigor mortis destroys it's flexibility.
I do not say: let's kill things to make zombies. That's sick, really. Life is of much greater value than to waste it for getting some cheap machinery. I say: let's not waste the stuff we already have. Let's use it.
If you can find a good argument against this, a logical argument, I will stop the development. But I was looking for one and did not find it. I was looking hard for it. It's insane not to walk this way, if you ask me. Wasting worthful ressources is futilie and I find it disgusting to throw away highly structured and grown biological structures because your god or something tells you to. Who is this god anyway?
Where is the logic in that, I ask you?
No. We Matari find cheap solutions for problems. We are innovative. We use what we can. And -yes- it's a cheap solution and a solution with a limitid "life" span.
But we prevail.
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Syn Callibri
Minmatar
Blacklight Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.08.19 21:09:00 -
[44]
Edited by: Syn Callibri on 19/08/2010 21:09:18
Perhaps the involved parties would consider bringing this debate to the New Eden Assembly? This might be a subject of great interest to a great many people.
...just a thought.
Syn Callibri
Ilharess of the Scorpion Clan
Blacklight Inc., Fleet Defense Command
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END GRAVE
Caldari
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2010.08.19 22:18:00 -
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Just remember they are the plague that you engineered when you gave them no home, the virus that you created when you would not help them through their darkest days of their early existence, they are the scourge that you set free upon New Eden when tried to cast them out to the depths of space. Remember that they fought for a home, they wondered by themselves through the darkness and pulled themselves up from the dregs of humanity, they have toppled empires, they have set New Eden ablaze, they can never bee defeated, they can never be wiped from existence, they are a scourge, they are a virus, they are a plague, they are the Swarm, they will never give up, they will never be stopped.
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END GRAVE
Caldari
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2010.08.19 22:27:00 -
[46]
Edited by: END GRAVE on 19/08/2010 22:27:15
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Artemis97
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Posted - 2010.08.19 23:47:00 -
[47]
Originally by: END GRAVE
Just remember they are the plague that you engineered when you gave them no home, the virus that you created when you would not help them through their darkest days of their early existence, they are the scourge that you set free upon New Eden when tried to cast them out to the depths of space. Remember that they fought for a home, they wondered by themselves through the darkness and pulled themselves up from the dregs of humanity, they have toppled empires, they have set New Eden ablaze, they can never bee defeated, they can never be wiped from existence, they are a scourge, they are a virus, they are a plague, they are the Swarm, they will never give up, they will never be stopped.
Someone loves Goon video propaganda....
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Eris Davion
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Posted - 2010.08.20 03:08:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Alica Wildfire
Originally by: Eris Davion
I hear Kuvakei is still looking for capsuleer support. You seem like a good fit for his Nation; perhaps you should give him a call?
Are ya mad? I'd not support this ravaging madman, this slaver and his abdominations. His work is spitting in the face of science and ignores any ethical value humankind has evolved and paid with blood for.
Others would say the same about you. Not so much regarding the work you do, but more to do with your disdain for their traditions and customs. It mirrors his disdain for the concept of free will.
Originally by: Alica Wildfire
I don't know if you have taken a look at the price of Robotics lately. The prices are skyrocketing. We Matari were always searching for a cheap way to go around shortages and be innovative in finding solutions. I don't say a reanimated body of a dead mammal is better than a good solid robot but it's much much cheaper.
Stolen or donated goods are generally much cheaper than purchased goods. I wouldn't expect that to last, on the off chance your technology gains market appeal.
Originally by: Alica Wildfire
I personally don't believe in a god and I doubt there is a soul anyway but I know that there are feelings. But those are gone if something dies.
So what do we do with those dead clones? Burn them?
Funeral rites are more about the feelings of those still living than they are of those who have passed. Burning the corpse is a means of letting them go, coming to terms with their passing. Interment, on the other hand, is a means of holding on to their memory; establishing a tangible reminder of their existence, to help maintain our less tangible memories of them.
Perhaps seeing the face of your father, hauling goods as though he were a still-living slave under the Amarr, is how you want to remember him. Not so for me; even if reason tells me that his essence is gone, that image still strikes me as an insult to his memory.
But even if we mostly set aside sentiment, I'll offer a more practical issue:
Human flesh is weak relative to the other beasts that share our worlds. Even setting aside the biomechanical advantages, pound for pound there is more strength in the sinew of the average Slaver hound than in the flesh of even the strongest Brutor. It is the spark of sapience that sets us above them; reason that allows us to overcome them.
The very things that are gone in death. If you would make a Golem, then, you would do better to work with the muscle and bone of another beast and simply sculpt it to suit your purposes. And I guarantee you'll find the raw materials even cheaper - as sentiment and cultural taboos are (generally) not influencing the price on those goods.
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Alica Wildfire
Minmatar
Federal Investigations Agency
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Posted - 2010.08.20 07:50:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Eris Davion
Others would say the same about you. Not so much regarding the work you do, but more to do with your disdain for their traditions and customs. It mirrors his disdain for the concept of free will.
I do not disdain the concept of free will. I'm in fact fighting for it since I'm a capsuleer. But we are not talking about using human being as tools, we are talking about using dead ressources.
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Stolen or donated goods are generally much cheaper than purchased goods. I wouldn't expect that to last, on the off chance your technology gains market appeal.
This is possible. But when you look at the rate complex tissue is able to grow and the amount of death around us the available amount "biorobotics" will skyrocket anyway and thus drive the market price down, even for the machinery.
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Funeral rites are more about the feelings of those still living than they are of those who have passed. Burning the corpse is a means of letting them go, coming to terms with their passing. Interment, on the other hand, is a means of holding on to their memory; establishing a tangible reminder of their existence, to help maintain our less tangible memories of them.
So you see a problem in the reminding memory of a living? Of cause it is no big deal to mask the product and thus depersonalize them. As I would argue that in case of a capsuleer body he's still around and living. So what we see is just the mortal coil, it is not even a reminder. It's just a kind of clothing that he liked to wear for some months but he has moved on.
I do not see in the body much more than a clothing to be honest. Not at our current level of technology. Everything else is not appropriate I think and will lead to conflict with the fact of our technological world. And this conflict can only mean suffering and irrational behavior.
Maybe it's better we tie our reminder of a person on something other than the view of his body. Which can be changed by plastic chirurgy anyway at each street corner by a meat mechanic.
We Matari have so much spiritual access that I doubt that in our heart we believe the mortal coil is of any importance at all. We should be able to see through this.
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Human flesh is weak relative to the other beasts that share our worlds. Even setting aside the biomechanical advantages, pound for pound there is more strength in the sinew of the average Slaver hound than in the flesh of even the strongest Brutor. It is the spark of sapience that sets us above them; reason that allows us to overcome them.
Of cause this is the basic idea. But also the question: are dead clones with the left behind implants still able to control a spaceship? Maybe even in a better way than an autopilot can do this? This would give us a complete new application for our dead clones, does it not?
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The very things that are gone in death. If you would make a Golem, then, you would do better to work with the muscle and bone of another beast and simply sculpt it to suit your purposes. And I guarantee you'll find the raw materials even cheaper - as sentiment and cultural taboos are (generally) not influencing the price on those goods.
So you try to tell me that I should try to combine several bodyparts of creatures together to maximize the best of each creature into one product? That is an interesting attempt, I admit. Of cause we have to lean to accept those technological chimeras because they will look… new to us.
Especially if I find a way to use the still intact brain cells of capsuleer heads. But on the other hand, some capsuleers are not too intelligent in their behaviour and maybe I'm overestimating their value in this experiment.
Technological chimera. Hm. I think that's a great idea! Thank you very much for the inspiration. I will start working on that.
Alica smiles into the cam and gives a thumb up.
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wiersma
Caldari
Exo corporation
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Posted - 2010.08.24 12:26:00 -
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Edited by: wiersma on 24/08/2010 12:27:41
I dont know about you all, but i would find it reasuring if someone who killed me takes the time and effort to put my old body to rest on that cemetery. It has seen battle (or not) and it deserves a place to rest.
it has no soul to worry about because i am just here.
destroying any of these coffins should be an act of war to all capsuleer pilots!
So goonswarm.. they have no souls so you dont need to free them.
Just my 2 isk
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