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Aaron Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension	Posted - 2010.08.16 01:44:00 - [1] Edited by: Aaron on 16/08/2010 01:45:40 Hi, ok so you on your way to jita to buy your wares but worried about the lag ganks? well worry no more follow these steps to ensure a lag free visit to jita. 1, Once you arrive at the Jita gate in the next systems, zoom your camera out fully. so your ship becomes a tiny dot. 2, Jump into jita and ensure you never zoom into your ship. Thats it, no-one can gank me on gates or on the lag infested undock, its all smooth and immiediate. Let me know what u think.
Stick Cult Unspoken Autonomy.	Posted - 2010.08.16 01:46:00 - [2] cool story, bro. However that only solves (some) client side lag, any server side lag will still affect you. Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
Minchurra Caldari Feudum Chalybis The Spire Collective	Posted - 2010.08.16 01:46:00 - [3] Edited by: Minchurra on 16/08/2010 01:46:46 People play with brackets on and not zoomed out? This is news to me...
Cat o'Ninetails Caldari Rancer Defence League Eternal Ascension	Posted - 2010.08.16 01:47:00 - [4] im still not making a pinapple upside down cake for you. x
Jita Alt666	Posted - 2010.08.16 01:49:00 - [5] Originally by: Aaron Edited by: Aaron on 16/08/2010 01:45:40 Hi, ok so you on your way to jita to buy your wares but worried about the lag ganks? well worry no more follow these steps to ensure a lag free visit to jita. 1, Once you arrive at the Jita gate in the next systems, zoom your camera out fully. so your ship becomes a tiny dot. 2, Jump into jita and ensure you never zoom into your ship. Thats it, no-one can gank me on gates or on the lag infested undock, its all smooth and immiediate. Let me know what u think. Turn all effects on. Turn visual effects to High. Seriously improves client performance
Aaron Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension	Posted - 2010.08.16 01:52:00 - [6] Edited by: Aaron on 16/08/2010 01:53:10 Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails im still not making a pinapple upside down cake for you. x LOL Cat, if everyone does this it will result in less data for the eve servers and clients to process, well thats my theory anyway.
Stick Cult Unspoken Autonomy.	Posted - 2010.08.16 01:53:00 - [7] Originally by: Aaron Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails im still not making a pinapple upside down cake for you. x LOL Cat, if everyone does this it will result in less data for the eve servers and clients to process, well thats my theroy anyway. no it won't! the server still sends you all the data, the client just doesn't bother rendering the ships around you because you can't see them all zoomed out anyway. same amount of data and processing on the server side. Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
Aaron Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension	Posted - 2010.08.16 02:03:00 - [8] Originally by: Stick Cult Originally by: Aaron Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails im still not making a pinapple upside down cake for you. x LOL Cat, if everyone does this it will result in less data for the eve servers and clients to process, well thats my theroy anyway. no it won't! the server still sends you all the data, the client just doesn't bother rendering the ships around you because you can't see them all zoomed out anyway. same amount of data and processing on the server side. I could be wrong. zoomed out ship = 1 nanopixel zoomed in ship = massive 3D image i think it depends on what the server tells the clients to draw, its possible that the zoomed in image of the ship would require the eve server to do more processing than the zoomed out image. by everyone zooming out this decreases the processing for the server having to send the client complex graphical instructions. As I say, when i zoom out on my client everything in jita is smooth.
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2010.08.16 02:09:00 - [9] Edited by: Breaker77 on 16/08/2010 02:12:12 Zooming in and out is handled by the client not the server. Just like changing the video resolution your client runs in has no effect on the server. Originally by: Aaron i think it depends on what the server tells the clients to draw, its possible that the zoomed in image of the ship would require the eve server to do more processing than the zoomed out image. If you notice in your eve directory there are all these resDX9blahblahblah.stuff graphic files. Graphics are rendered client side, based on the client.
PipingHotCookies	Posted - 2010.08.16 02:25:00 - [10] Guys. Guys. Just turn off all the ships on your overview. It works for reals. It's like the sever doesn't even know they're there.
Hiser	Posted - 2010.08.16 02:45:00 - [11] Originally by: PipingHotCookies Guys. Guys. Just turn off all the ships on your overview. It works for reals. It's like the sever doesn't even know they're there. Confirmed. I play this way in every system now, especially when mining. My strip miners are 5% more efficient, too. They must have been affected by lag from the overview.
Goose99	Posted - 2010.08.16 03:26:00 - [12] You can achieve the same effects by upgrading that 10 years old computer.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.08.16 03:39:00 - [13] Originally by: PipingHotCookies Guys. Guys. Just turn off all the ships on your overview. It works for reals. It's like the sever doesn't even know they're there. This actualy works quite well and is my default ui setting for trade runs or mining ops. But don't do it if you are in a position to get wardecced or are a prime suicide target. Originally by: CCP Oveur My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard. Originally by: CCP Adida Moved from missions and complexes. All other game discussions are only aloud in OOP.
Antihrist Pripravnik 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.08.16 05:16:00 - [14] What OP said is working for the slower computers as it eliminates client side rendering "lag" (wrong word, but still). Some more tricks: - remove all brackets (click on the white triangle in upper left corner of the overview window and choose "Hide all brackets" option) - minimize local; - minimize overview; When you do all that and zoom out, what's left is a 95% pure server side lag. Enjoy
Goremageddon Box Minmatar Guerilla Gorilla	Posted - 2010.08.16 06:53:00 - [15] or how about this... 1. GET A T3 INTERNET CONNECTION i get no lag ****ing anywhere. yea. NO LAG. _______________________ Hottest Character Ever.
Frozean	Posted - 2010.08.16 07:00:00 - [16] But if i do that, when i die, i will lose one of my internet connection subsystem skill, causing a skill sink......
Bagrista	Posted - 2010.08.16 07:08:00 - [17] Originally by: Goremageddon Box i get no lag ****ing anywhere. Yeah. Try undocking once in a while. This is my annoying sig. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
Nareg Maxence Gallente	Posted - 2010.08.16 07:16:00 - [18] This new knowledge amazes me!
Alison Dagger	Posted - 2010.08.16 07:21:00 - [19] That topic made my day.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.08.16 07:25:00 - [20] Jita doesn't lag, thoughà àit's occasionally sluggish, but that's about it. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Goremageddon Box Minmatar Guerilla Gorilla	Posted - 2010.08.16 07:44:00 - [21] Originally by: Bagrista Originally by: Goremageddon Box i get no lag ****ing anywhere. Yeah. Try undocking once in a while. lolumad? _______________________ Hottest Character Ever.
Hienz Doofenshmirtz	Posted - 2010.08.16 08:28:00 - [22] easy way to not deal with jita lag, don't go to jita. easy
Miss Connolly Public Relations Corp	Posted - 2010.08.16 08:40:00 - [23] Originally by: Goremageddon Box 1. GET A T3 INTERNET CONNECTION You don't play EVE for long, ey? To the OP: you're mixing up client-side performance issues (due to crappy computer) with server-side issues (due to crappy infrastructure and bad game design on CCPs end). Of course it's a good idea to optimize your EVE-client settings (anyone who isn't a total noob has done this long ago) but that won't help you one bit in fleet lag / gridload situations. My FPS are fine, my ping is fine but the server simply takes too long to co-ordinate all the things that are happening on the grid. ___________________ "It was mentioned by CCP that the data does not seem to support that polished quality sells better than new features." These are the people you are giving your money to.
Goremageddon Box Minmatar Guerilla Gorilla	Posted - 2010.08.16 09:28:00 - [24] Originally by: Miss Connolly Originally by: Goremageddon Box 1. GET A T3 INTERNET CONNECTION You don't play EVE for long, ey? lolujelus? _______________________ Hottest Character Ever.
Brakte	Posted - 2010.08.16 10:27:00 - [25] WTS: Clue in how game engines work the client still renders the ships even if you're fully zoomed out, the geometry is still there, it might not be as detailed, but its still there. so are the bounding boxes, i dont know if you have noticedm, but people can still bump you if you've zoomed out. the first is client side, the other is server side, and none of them are affected by you zooming out. so, what was your point again?
Goremageddon Box Minmatar Guerilla Gorilla	Posted - 2010.08.16 10:59:00 - [26] Originally by: Brakte WTS: Clue in how game engines work the client still renders the ships even if you're fully zoomed out, the geometry is still there, it might not be as detailed, but its still there. so are the bounding boxes, i dont know if you have noticedm, but people can still bump you if you've zoomed out. the first is client side, the other is server side, and none of them are affected by you zooming out. so, what was your point again? t3 = no lag _______________________ Hottest Character Ever.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.08.16 11:25:00 - [27] Edited by: Tippia on 16/08/2010 11:25:24 Originally by: Goremageddon Box t3 = no lag Incorrect. Also, not relevant to the quoted post. Also also, T3 = slow. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
NatteFrost85 Amarr The Phoenix Quarry of Eve	Posted - 2010.08.16 12:21:00 - [28] Edited by: NatteFrost85 on 16/08/2010 12:22:36 Originally by: Minchurra Edited by: Minchurra on 16/08/2010 01:46:46 People play with brackets on and not zoomed out? This is news to me... if you cant see the ships, whats the point of playing this game????
Miss Connolly Public Relations Corp	Posted - 2010.08.16 12:26:00 - [29] Originally by: NatteFrost85 Edited by: NatteFrost85 on 16/08/2010 12:22:36 Originally by: Minchurra Edited by: Minchurra on 16/08/2010 01:46:46 People play with brackets on and not zoomed out? This is news to me... if you cant see the ships, whats the point of playing this game???? To make other people receive mails about them losing the ships they never see either. Then when they finally do zoom in they can go "omg I was ganked by a player that is way better then me and has more success with women in RL". At least that's why I play EVE. ___________________ "It was mentioned by CCP that the data does not seem to support that polished quality sells better than new features." These are the people you are giving your money to.
Mr Kidd	Posted - 2010.08.16 12:45:00 - [30] Originally by: Aaron Edited by: Aaron on 16/08/2010 01:45:40 Hi, ok so you on your way to jita to buy your wares but worried about the lag ganks? well worry no more follow these steps to ensure a lag free visit to jita. 1, Once you arrive at the Jita gate in the next systems, zoom your camera out fully. so your ship becomes a tiny dot. 2, Jump into jita and ensure you never zoom into your ship. Thats it, no-one can gank me on gates or on the lag infested undock, its all smooth and immiediate. Let me know what u think. And this takes care of a overloaded server node how? Exactly.
Captain Vampire Caldari No.Mercy	Posted - 2010.08.16 13:22:00 - [31] Originally by: Aaron I could be wrong. zoomed out ship = 1 nanopixel zoomed in ship = massive 3D image i think it depends on what the server tells the clients to draw, its possible that the zoomed in image of the ship would require the eve server to do more processing than the zoomed out image. by everyone zooming out this decreases the processing for the server having to send the client complex graphical instructions. As I say, when i zoom out on my client everything in jita is smooth. Quoted so your stupidity may never be erased. Possibly the dumbest thing I have read on these forums ever and boy is there some dumb **** on here.
Celestine Santora	Posted - 2010.08.16 13:24:00 - [32] Originally by: Aaron Originally by: Stick Cult Originally by: Aaron Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails im still not making a pinapple upside down cake for you. x LOL Cat, if everyone does this it will result in less data for the eve servers and clients to process, well thats my theroy anyway. no it won't! the server still sends you all the data, the client just doesn't bother rendering the ships around you because you can't see them all zoomed out anyway. same amount of data and processing on the server side. i think it depends on what the server tells the clients to draw That isn't how it works at all. Your solution is only good for client side lag, which you wouldn't even be getting if you had a computer built in the last decade. It affects nobody else and everybody doing it would have absolutely zero effect on the game
Rakessh Antares Shipyards Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2010.08.16 13:34:00 - [33] Originally by: Aaron Edited by: Aaron on 16/08/2010 01:45:40 Hi, ok so you on your way to jita to buy your wares but worried about the lag ganks? well worry no more follow these steps to ensure a lag free visit to jita. 1, Once you arrive at the Jita gate in the next systems, zoom your camera out fully. so your ship becomes a tiny dot. 2, Jump into jita and ensure you never zoom into your ship. Thats it, no-one can gank me on gates or on the lag infested undock, its all smooth and immiediate. Let me know what u think. Only works for people with sucky computers in the first place. Take it from someone with intricate knowledge of server<->client software design, and no I won't explain it to you; it takes a week or two of actual studying. (Or year or two, depending on brainstuff) all stuff drawn on your screen has next to nothing to do with the server. The server only keeps data of what objects are on grid, which direaction they are facing, their velocity and (de)acceleration of the object. Usually this data is sent as a hashed bitfield, or bit array of said fields to the client, and decrypted, entered into the physics and 3D engine for calcu... oh wait, we're already client side; and I wasn't supposed to explain it :P Besides, I'm not a teacher, so I'd be crap at it. Enjoy! ;) CEO Arachnea Phoenix Battalion
Super Whopper I can Has Cheeseburger	Posted - 2010.08.16 15:10:00 - [34] Originally by: Goremageddon Box or how about this... 1. GET A T3 INTERNET CONNECTION i get no lag ****ing anywhere. yea. NO LAG. This guy is totally right. All you whiners complaining about lag just need to upgrade from your 56k connections and you'll see all that crying during 2000 man fights was just your connection. Now I'm off to downgrade my 50Mbit connection to T3. And -1/10 for the intelligence.
Dreldor Local-Spike	Posted - 2010.08.16 17:23:00 - [35] This thread deserves at least one bump.
Goremageddon Box Minmatar Guerilla Gorilla	Posted - 2010.08.16 17:57:00 - [36] Originally by: Super Whopper Edited by: Super Whopper on 16/08/2010 17:04:04 Originally by: Goremageddon Box or how about this... 1. GET A T3 INTERNET CONNECTION i get no lag ****ing anywhere. yea. NO LAG. This guy is totally right. All you whiners complaining about lag just need to upgrade from your 56k connections and you'll see all that crying during 2000 man fights was just your connection. Now I'm off to downgrade my 50Mbit connection to T3. And -1/10 for the intelligence. P.S. I forgot to say I get 300 fps with only one client running and if I could turn my settings up any further I would. With four clients I get 80-100 fps. If you need to zoom out to run without lag you need to throw away that archaic machine of yours and realise the Stone Age is long over. excuse me, i have fiber optic, not t3. sorry. :) i was jus going on what people said but i jus checked with the pc bar owner _______________________ Hottest Character Ever.
Barakkus Caelestis Iudicium	Posted - 2010.08.16 20:45:00 - [37] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: PipingHotCookies Guys. Guys. Just turn off all the ships on your overview. It works for reals. It's like the sever doesn't even know they're there. This actualy works quite well and is my default ui setting for trade runs or mining ops. But don't do it if you are in a position to get wardecced or are a prime suicide target. Yeah, I usually keep ships that could alpha me on overview and remove everything else, same for ice mining on my alt. Originally by: CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
Ryhss Caldari Ominous Corp Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2010.08.16 21:19:00 - [38] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: PipingHotCookies Guys. Guys. Just turn off all the ships on your overview. It works for reals. It's like the sever doesn't even know they're there. This actualy works quite well and is my default ui setting for trade runs or mining ops. But don't do it if you are in a position to get wardecced or are a prime suicide target. Sooooo, everyone? [url=http://eve-kill.net?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=401687] [/url] What the smeging smeg?!
Aaron Eternal Frontier Eternal Ascension	Posted - 2010.08.16 23:12:00 - [39] Ok, I can accept eve works in a similar fashion to Microsofts Terminal Services where a remote user is simply viewing a session on another system. All processing is done serverside and clients are sent information relating to whats drawn onscreen. My solution will only help those clients that take ages to render hundreds of ships.

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