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Ramingo Caldari Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.08.17 05:12:00 - [1] Edited by: Ramingo on 17/08/2010 05:17:20 I did a search to find out about the current auditor program, if any, and the only post I found was locked due to inactivity. Since I can't play the game at work, but do have quite a lot of spare time, I figured I'd offer my services as auditor. I doubt it matters, but I also used to work as Internal Auditor for a European stock exchange. Anyway, what I will do: - Check wallet transactions - Check assets - Verify trading history/ profit making potential - Check contract history - Find characters traded officially, and any potential alts - Check employment history/ do a background check if neccessary - Check forum activity - Use my best judgement to deliver an objective report - I will and most likely can not use any of the information gained to my advantage, as I'm currently a 100% pure FW PvPer and mission runner (have been for over a year now) If you're interested in getting a character or corporation audit done, leave a message here or eve-mail me in game on Ramingo if you want the audit to be confidential.
Ramingo Caldari Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.08.17 11:59:00 - [2] Edited by: Ramingo on 17/08/2010 12:01:57 Originally by: Estel Arador Originally by: Ramingo - Whenever there is an issue of trust Like now? Well, I might not have the reputation you do but I've done my own share of things in eve, both MD and in-game related, such as: - Making loans to individuals/corps - Borrowed close to 5 bill isk and repaid it - Running a newbie help channel for the caldari militia - Featured in the news a few times for founding the CDI (FW) - Access to 10 bill isk of assets during Nex Exercitus' move from Sagain to Fountain These might be nothing in comparison to your credibility but in the very least I'd assume it gives me the foundation for my own. Either way, I'm only looking to do audits at the moment and contributing to the MD, not obtain billions in loans or being 3rd party to supercap trades. Edit: I'm also not asking for my first few audits to be on multi-billion enterprises, I'm just as happy to start off with smaller investments/individuals that need auditing.
Ramingo Caldari Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.08.17 13:09:00 - [3] Edited by: Ramingo on 17/08/2010 13:12:04 Originally by: Gabriel Virtus I(we?) would still have an issue of trust... with you. You seem to be a complete no one. -GV Only 1 way to start building a rep in auditing, and as far as I'm concerned that's by doing audits. I am not looking to invest in bonds or issue them myself. If I did that it'd be far, far more profitable than auditing, add to that I'm not much of a trader. I do however know about figures, profitability, security (I've led my own corp for the last 6 months and had a supercap + 2nd largest cap fleet in FW in it before we went on to other things). So, I'm open for business and if anybody wants an audit done, no matter how small, leave a message! P.S.: Given that the current auditors seem to have little time to fulfill all the audits demanded, old auditors retire, and there's a constant number of replies to bonds "reserved pending audit" you are not exactly doing a good job at encouraging new auditors to come forward and fill the gap.
Ramingo Caldari Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.08.17 13:38:00 - [4] If I audit someone I give an objective assessment based on the facts. I'll do as much research as is possible - if there are doubts then I will post them there. However, no audit is 100% accurate. Someone with a great trading history might just decide he wants to quit EvE for RL reasons and go out with a big bang, or things like that. However I will do my best and dig as deep as I can before coming to any conclusion, and I think that will become apparent after my first couple of audits - if they're ever going to come to fruition given the negative feedback I've received so far. No, I'm not interested in the audit fund as I have my own idea of how to conduct audits and don't see any benefit in joining it. This is not to say that I don't support it, but as far as I'm concerned auditing is a one-man job (additional auditors can be brought in but they should audit independently as well) so that results can be compared. Since as you said I will be putting my own name on the line I should also be solely responsible for myself.
Ramingo Caldari Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.08.17 13:44:00 - [5] Originally by: CantStopThe Rokh You will probably want to start out trying to do some free audits on either smaller stuff or side by side with a known auditor. Even without the trust issue there is still the issue that you might not know how to audit someone effectively. I am offering free audits and I am also available for smaller ones, as advertised. If you want/need anything audited, let me know! Worst case you can hire me and then another auditor independently and compare findings ;)
Ramingo Caldari Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.08.18 06:19:00 - [6] Having conducted my first audit on Lucyna, the findings are presented in the IPO's thread: ISKBE
Ramingo Caldari Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.08.19 08:33:00 - [7] Varo, do you still do audits at all? RAW, I only remember what I read about the audit fund almost a year ago or so (seems like a long time ago) and back then it didn't interest me. I just found the thread and the last entry is from over half a year ago - doesn't seem to me like it's active anymore. On a different note, I've been approached to audit someone who apparently bought a character that was used to scam with, and wants me to find out as much about it as possible. That's not something I had in mind when I created this service but I think these types of audits could turn into a core part of any auditor's offering. Unless you're auditing Riethe's char that is ;)
Ramingo Caldari Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.08.19 10:19:00 - [8] I don't have anything against the Audit Fund, I think it's a great idea. From what I understand it's the client/new venture owner that needs to apply to the fund to partially pay my fee. If they want to do that it's up to them. So far I've only done 1 audit on ISKBE and that was done for free, and the other is currently in progress and doesn't seem to need the assistance of the fund.
Ramingo Caldari Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.08.19 11:53:00 - [9] Originally by: Ji Sama Are you perhaps confusing cista2's audit initiative with the audit fund? nope never even heard of cista's before, based my comment entirely on the below comment: "He gets a quote from an auditor, such as yourself, and finds that it will cost him 100-150mil. Given the size of the bond and the state of his own finances, this is too expensive for him so, rather than say he won't have an audit or, alternatively, trying to push the auditor's fee down, he applies to the audit fund to cover part of the cost. The audit fund will then pay the auditor whatever is agreed."
Ramingo Caldari Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.08.19 12:59:00 - [10] http://www.eve-search.com/thread/1271639/page/6 You're actually the last to have posted on it half a year ago ;) Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries United Corporations Of Modern Eve Take me to the EVE-Online forum thread View author employment history View author posting habits View only posts by author Posted - 2010.03.01 02:26:00 - [166] - Quote Mails sent out to Phoebe and Estel. The vote regarding Bobby's offer was passed (12.5B @ 4% interest paid in advance.) We still need 7.5B in donations.
Ramingo Caldari Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.08.21 03:12:00 - [11] Estel: I don't have Tirnuen's full API anymore but basically there was a sales thread in which the old Tirnuen used his character in RAGE to bid on his own char, but eventually Rae Kharra made a bid/buy-out. According to their sales post they were both online as the timestamp of the 6 billion isk transfer matches that of the confirmation posts. That, coupled with the fact that after the character transfer the dozens of isk transfers to Cynara ceased, in addition to the fact that it aligns with the "cashing in" of reputation, by scamming 2 guys, leads me to believe Tirnuen is in fact now in the hands of a new owner. Of course this could all be an elaborate scheme, but as far as an audit goes all signs indicate it is a new owner. The only way to be 100% sure would be to do a GM check on the IP address of the new owner, but those tools are beyond my reach. Another point that led me to believe so was that he tried to make amends (which is why he contacted me - he wanted to see who he legitimately owed isk to, how much, and to see if I could audit him so he could continue running the previous owner's business). Regarding the scam part, the transactions show that twice did the previous owner pocket 1 bill isk and immediately transfer it to his alt, Cynara, thus scamming them for 2 bill isk total. The new owner of Tirnuen however paid 1 billion isk to someone who claiemd to have been scammed by the previous owner, yet the logs showed no transaction with the person claiming to have been scammed, nor by his alliance. Thus it led me to believe he got scammed himself by that alliance. SetrakDark: Might your opinion have anything to do with the fact that a known scammer is now in your alliance and I exposed him? cosmoray: There has to be no notice of it in the character's services thread, only in the character bazaar (if it is a legitimate CCP trade). This thread is here: Tirnuen sales thread As previously said, the timestamps match and the owner's transactional behaviour also. Plus the isk amendments. I'm as sure as can be that this is a new owner. Were you given the Full API key? Yes, to two of his accounts Did you check all the characters? Yes Did you search all the characters? Yes Did you download all the wallet transactions? Yes Did you research any wierd entries or wallet transfers? Yes, all those of the previous owner to see how much he scammed Did you see the transfer of funds that enabled the character sale? Remember the ISK has to go to the character for sale as per forum rules? Yes, 6 billion isk transferred matching the time of the sales thread and confirmation posts, followed by a full isk transfer to the character Cynara I know my name is linked with Tirnuen, but all I said was this was a new owner according to what is possible to investigate. I never guaranteed that the new owner might not decide to scam one day, but the fact that he came to me seeking to make amends does not suggest that this is his aim, otherwise he would not have foolishly transferred a bill isk to the guys hassling him (illegitimately) in his sales thread.
Ramingo Caldari Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.08.21 03:16:00 - [12] This was his first message to me btw: To: Ramingo Hello I just purchased this character from the character auctions. She has a business doing alliance creation, third party transactions, etc. Here is her thread in the Sell Orders forum http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1315126 I would like to have the character audited. She has recently come under some bad PR of scamming an alliance or two out of a billion isk. I would like to find out as much as you could about her transactions, who she owes, or if she really did take peoples isk. I did speak to one of the alliance members who had said some bad things about her, and actually paid them 1b back today as my way of smoothing things over with them. I'm just trying to salvage the characters reputation and business. I feel having an audit done by you would be very helpful and at the least, show Im a new owner and want to do much better than the previous one. T
Ramingo Caldari Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.08.21 04:53:00 - [13] Edited by: Ramingo on 21/08/2010 04:54:13 I'm still learning about it and so far I've received very little constructive input, but trying to criticise my reasoning with your flawed logic doesn't contribute in any way. Perhaps you'd be gracious enough to point it out for me, rather than just randomly saying my audits suck? I might not have presented my findings that well in my first two audits, but I think I made up for it when it came to the follow up questions on the first one, by Estel, as he did not inquire further - I take that as having answered his questions satisfactorily and await to see how he responds to my answers to the last audit.
Ramingo Caldari Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.08.21 05:33:00 - [14] Well, the audit on Tirnuen was of a controversial nature to begin with, but nonetheless I established that he appeared very much to be a new owner, both based on facts such as sales thread and corresponding transfer, as well as my personal opinion of his wallet transactions, communication etc... My first audit I think went well, I audited his transactions and determined his profitability which was all I was asked to do. I haven't had a challenging audit yet in terms of massive number of financial transactions, multiple linked accounts, etc... but since it seems most criticism comes from the character audit of Tirnuen I can merely restate that all signs indicate he was a new owner. It's a controversial thing as some of the victims, or a member of the scammer's alliance, think this was just a ruse by Tirnuen to repeat his scamming, but apparently the alliance creation service has already continued business since after the sale of the character and no scams have been reported yet. Whether or not he will scam in the future I can't predict, but the simple fact is I presented findings that all points led me to believe it is a new owner - and I did write that there is no 100% way to guarantee this. Whether you want to believe my statement or not is up to you, I merely function as an indicator which I think I have done. Now the way I formatted/presented/referenced those findings in the initial post may not be best, but that's cosmetic and easily improved upon - the way I conducted my audit however is not and I did everything I promised I would.
Ramingo Caldari Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.08.21 05:46:00 - [15] Edited by: Ramingo on 21/08/2010 05:46:19 Originally by: Ji Sama Edited by: Ji Sama on 21/08/2010 05:39:20 You completely ignore the major red flag that the new owner is a character flipper! You also try to turn Setraks criticism into some personal vendetta against you, because you "exposed" something completely irrelevant. You are the one with a flawed logic sir. SetrakDark Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E Posted - 2010.08.20 17:51:00 - [38] - Quote Report Your "audits" are not acceptable. That being his first contact with me, out of the blue, leads me to believe he was trolling because I mentioned the scammer was now in his alliance. And I merely audited whether Tirnuen was a new owner or not, and for himself personally who the previous owner scammed. This was not a complete audit on whether his business was an investment opportunity, safe to invest in, what the new owner was like, what his NAV was, how many alts he has, what their SPs are, etc. I stuck to what I was contracted to do, namely the above 2 points. I had a look at previous audits you conducted Ji Sama, and I like your methodology, the different coloured flags, scope of audit, etc..., and will endeavour to report in a similar fashion in future. However, for the audit on Tirnuen this kind of format wasn't possible and it was not what I was asked to do.
Ramingo Caldari Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.08.21 06:02:00 - [16] Edited by: Ramingo on 21/08/2010 06:03:33 Wasn't 1 of the first advices you gave me not to be picky and take any audit I can get to establish a rep ^^? Anyway, like I said the audit was requested by him so he got to tell me what he wanted audited and as you can see in the message it was those 2 things, namely whether or not it was indeed a new owner, and who got scammed/for how much in the past. If I had to audit his business as a type of investment, i.e. seeking investors/loans/issuing bonds, I would have either refused or approached it differently/used different checks and pointed out different things. But nowhere was I asked to post about the new owner was a security hazard or not - merely that it was indeed a new owner. That's why I don't appreciate the criticism from the Rage guy, because he says my audit was unacceptable as to his perception of what an audit should be like, but the fact of the matter is this wasn't a regular audit by any means. Edit: Thanks for the link, already found it and your 2nd audit. I'd like to do a mixture of scam alert, actual earnings, and potential for growth, on business audits.
Ramingo Caldari Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.08.21 06:10:00 - [17] Edited by: Ramingo on 21/08/2010 06:09:57 Thank you, I appreciate the input even if it is criticism. I don't expect to be spoon-fed and I know I'm going to continue making errors in the future, but in this case I was merely trying to rigorously stick to my client's demands.
Ramingo Caldari Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.08.21 06:39:00 - [18] Thanks cosmoray, it does indeed look fishy when you point it out. I've asked Tirnuen if it's ok if somebody else takes a quick look at his full API to confirm what I've said, more specifically the character transfer. It shouldn't take more than 5 minutes as the transaction was made less than 5 days ago and is the 2nd largest, after the transfer of all isk to the old owner's alt Cynara. Hopefully we can put this audit behind me and move on to the regular type of audits!
Ramingo Caldari Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.08.21 08:14:00 - [19] Edited by: Ramingo on 21/08/2010 08:15:17 Originally by: Varo Jan Originally by: Ramingo I've asked Tirnuen if it's ok if somebody else takes a quick look at his full API to confirm what I've said, more specifically the character transfer. It shouldn't take more than 5 minutes. Five minutes? Are you nuts? No self-respecting auditor is going to merely check a single transaction on a known scammer's account in order to confirm the findings of an unknown auditor. Think before you write. You're demonstrating zero prudence and 100% hastiness - in more than one post. I thought the issue was simply whether or not the isk was transferred at the point of sale in accordance with the sales thread. I asked you to simply CONFIRM the 1 single transaction as corroborating the sale, not to do a full audit on the guy's account because that was never even under discussion! Frankly I've had enough of this criticism. I did a private check on someone, it was not a regular audit, I fulfilled every part of the request, and end up being ***ed at left and right by people who expect me to do a fullscale audit when that was not what was asked for. The new owner has received several evemails already from the people the previous owner scammed, thanking him for the amends etc..., I've sent you guys the full API keys (with Tirnuen's permission) so you can confirm yourself rather than spending hours debunking my credentials, and you've already more than massacred my audit thread because of it. Thanks for nothing - at least I can't say I wasn't warned by the guys on the first page telling me I'd get ***ed at left and right. EDIT: I was asked to: - Check if it was a new owner: CONFIRMED as best as is possible within the means of the game. ALso confirmed by subsequent actions of the new owner. - Find out who got scammed and how much for: DONE, with special thanks from the contractor.
Ramingo Caldari Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.08.21 10:35:00 - [20] Edited by: Ramingo on 21/08/2010 10:37:43 Valid points, but as this was a special case I feel it is governed by special indicators: - Sales thread looked legitimate in the forum, except that the original owner used alts to up the price. * Why would he do that and then offer a buy-out with his own alt? - Transfer of isk according to time of sale, in addition to full transfer of remaining balance from Tirnuen to Cynara leaving an end balance of 0. - Transfer of isk from new owner's accounts to Tirnuen. - Transfer of isk from new owner to some of the victims of the previous owner's scams. * ESPECIALLY a transfer to someone that did not get scammed, this was before the audit, and should be something the previous owner would have known/not let himself get scammed out of a billion isk. Those exact factors led me to believe it was a legitimate (albeit I posted nothing is certain) transfer of ownership. Subsequently, after this whole discussion started, the new owner has made even more amends and forwarded me evemails from previous scam victims identified who thanked him for repaying him the isk. As such I don't think I'm a victim of the old/new owner, but rather the victim of some overzealous M&D people who just couldn't accept the fact that I stuck to what I was hired to do and didn't go above and beyond and discriminate against the contractor. Like I've repeated before, he wanted me to check for 2 things which I did and posted, nothing more nothing less. Furthermore the new owner has now already conducted at least 1 successful business of 1 billion isk, in addition to having compensated scam victims for almost the full amount that was scammed. I just don't see why I deserve all this criticism on a minor character audit. Is it because you're angry that I audited a scammer's account? At least he was willing to deal with it. On the other hand I'm sure there are dozens of Riethe alts that did also get audited and managed to get past the existing system. Auditors don't have all the tools we need, this is after all the internet and an internet game at that with lax rules and regulations. I did my job, things went well, nobody got scammed - in fact, because of my audit scam victims actually got their, or most of their, isk back. Now, I won't be doing audits like that in future, I'd much rather be dealing with auditing new and existing ventures for scam alerts and financial details, I learnt my lesson, but this kind of backlash for an innocent audit is rather disheartening. I didn't ask to be handed anything on a golden platter, I merely ask not to be torn to pieces over something as trivial as the last "audit".
Ramingo Caldari Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.08.21 11:31:00 - [21] Edited by: Ramingo on 21/08/2010 11:30:50 Quote: They're not special. Special in that it wasn't a bond/loan/business audit, but merely a character audit and personal request. Quote: I read your post here as saying that he did not pay the victims, but someone else. After the audit he said he would not, but subsequently he did. Quote: Have you checked the api to see if the payments actually were made? Yes Quote: You're still in denial, angry and trying to justify your inactions. MD does not do sugar-coated pills. And auditors are expected to be able to swallow arsenic and strychnine dosed bullets with aplomb. It is what it is. Deal, or move along. Yes I'm annoyed that this has turned from a request from the owner into some public controversy because I decided to add it to my list of audits/make it public. Initially he didn't ask me to make the results public as they were for his information purposes only, but I figured it would be good publicity to have completed a 2nd "audit". Subsequently he has paid out more to scam victims/alleged ones than the scammer himself earned. As such I still stand by my stance that I made the right call and even though it COULD have been social engineering on his behalf, I absolutely do not think so. Likewise any business venture can get 100% green flags after having been audited independently by 2-3 auditors and the guy still decides to scam and makes off with the isk, because suddenly something changed in real life or he got high/drunk/lost his titan. Is it the auditor's fault? We do what we can with the tools that we have before us and I had no other way to ascertain it. You said I should not have taken the case to start with. Well, I did, and now I'm being *****ed at even though everything went well. Even if I were to look at my post as an outsider now I wouldn't hire myself given all the criticism present both warranted and unwarranted.
Ramingo Caldari Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.09.06 10:59:00 - [22] Edited by: Ramingo on 06/09/2010 11:02:33 Tirnuen's new owner still hasn't scammed 3 weeks after the audit, after having repaid a large sum to the previous owner's scam victims. As such I stand firmly by my statement that although my decision to audit the char may have been a bad one, my findings and conclusions weren't. Therefore, bump! Doing audits again. Edit: If I think it smells too fishy I reserve the right to refuse an audit.
Ramingo Caldari Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.09.07 02:53:00 - [23] I should clarify. I didn't mean to say that he'd never scam. Just that so far he has shown no indications of having been the previous owner. Even a new owner can decide to scam at any random point in time, i.e. when he gets the next 1 billion. Either way, taking on a new audit of a 1 bill isk offering now. I'll see if I can find a method that's similar in style to the other auditors. Having some sort of official reporting style for audits would help to make it more accessible to new auditors, i.e. if they could just go down a checklist and then put their findings in a standardised template would be very much needed imo. VV, what would you say to creating an audit school, with your compensation being say 10% of the audit fees for managing it? Could help getting more auditors involved in M&D.
Ramingo Caldari Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.09.07 10:22:00 - [24] Edited by: Ramingo on 07/09/2010 10:24:35 Right. That subject has been chewed out, time to move on. I don't scam, I make more than enough ISK with my FW missions. And anybody who has been in a corp with me knows how much I despise scammers, ever since goons pulled recruitment scam on me and took me for all my isk back when I was a newb. My own corp, Payable On Death, had a strict no-scams policy which was pretty much the only real rule there was, other than not shooting blues. Also, you have to be a bit of an idiot if you think a real scammer would refund his victim's isk...in order to do what? Scam again 2 weeks later? The nature of his work is that he never gets more than 2-3 bill isk at once due to alliance creation. In fact he should only get 1 bill isk as the highest attainable amount if clients leave the isk in the alliance wallet as opposed to sending it directly to him. So he rebuilds his rep, refunds 3 bill or so and then what? Makes off with 1-2 billion? Pure genius.
Ramingo Caldari Core Impulse	Posted - 2010.09.07 11:07:00 - [25] Edited by: Ramingo on 07/09/2010 11:09:36 Originally by: Dezolf Originally by: Ramingo So he rebuilds his rep, refunds 3 bill or so and then what? Then he goes higher for the next scam, and scams 5-6b, or whatever. Well he can't do that with the current business as corp/alliance creation works the following way: - Corp leaves 100 mill isk or however much it is in corp wallet, guy joins corp, becomes CEO, updates corp/takes isk out of wallet, leaves for next corp/alliance. - Alliance leaves 1 bill + fee in alliance wallet, guy joins alliance and creates it (I don't know how it works exactly but I did read about isk in wallet for creation). If he decides to run with the isk then he made a free 1 bill, but it's also evident in an auditor's logs if he did indeed scam or not. - He is physically limited from leaving corps/alliance with roles for 24 hours during which time the victims would have more than enough time to warn people about it on his thread, request audits, post screenshots, etc... Thus if anybody gets scammed for more than a bill by this guy then they should stay out of Jita b4 they lose it all... Edit: From here on out I'm going to refuse responding to anymore references to Tirnuen and his service. It's been going on for over 2 pages of my thread now and the only conclusive thing to come out of it was that it was a bad judgement call to "audit" him. I'd like to do some more proper audits, the thing I set out to do initially, rather than keep having to explain and defend myself weeks after this little side project which was supposed to be a mere confirmation of new ownership and victim-reimbursement.
Ramingo Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2010.09.09 10:25:00 - [26] I'd respond in depth but it's not worth the effort. I call it a little side project because it wasn't a real, full depth audit. Its objective was to find out who got scammed and if it appeared as though the guy was a new owner. I've repeated it so many times, you can argue about my responsibility to the M&D forum in doing a full audit on him but in fact I did what I was asked to do, presented those findings, case closed. I got all the flack mostly because of epeen, because people think scammers shouldn't be able to sell their chars, because they didn't like that I didn't do 1000% extra work when I never presented it as an audit and since then it's been going down. So basically, I don't care what you think or say about this subject because apparently I'm happy, the new owner is happy, and his new customers are also happy.
Ramingo Caldari Payable on Death	Posted - 2010.09.12 03:20:00 - [27] bump
Ramingo Caldari Payable on Death	Posted - 2010.09.19 06:48:00 - [28] Back to the first project - bump!
Ramingo Caldari Payable on Death	Posted - 2010.09.19 07:55:00 - [29] Any particular reason you linked to the failed IPO, or just randomness?
Ramingo Caldari Payable on Death	Posted - 2010.09.19 08:35:00 - [30] Originally by: Mme Pinkerton Edited by: Mme Pinkerton on 19/09/2010 08:09:59 Originally by: Ramingo Any particular reason you linked to the failed IPO, or just randomness? possible reasons: * you referred to this as the "first project", people might just want to know what the second project was * you made some statements regarding the usefulness of audits (or rather the lack thereof) which (at least imo) are relevant to this thread. You offer a service that pays you extremely bad and is next to useless in your own opinion - that's certainly a good thing to know for your potential clients. Your second statement is a misstatement. I said in the case of my IPO an audit isn't useful because I a) didn't have any verifiable trading history and b) my trades would have been conducted via contracts (I didn't post the latter in the original IPO as it would have helped narrow down the market I was going to manipulate). Successful audits don't guarantee a successful bond/offering. They do the following: - Background check of the issuer: What are his alts, did he ever scam, what kind of posting style does he have, etc... - Verification of profitability: If it's not a completely new trader (a risk in itself which would be pointed out) then there should be statistics available to see how active the issuer trades, what his profitability is, where he does most of his trades (0.0 or high sec), etc.. - Give a neutral overall assessment of the general risk related to the offering, excluding the risk of scamming as anyone can decide to scam, even with a profitable business.
Ramingo Caldari Payable on Death	Posted - 2010.09.19 14:43:00 - [31] Would a business in the real world want its failed projects advertised to its customers?
Ramingo Caldari Payable on Death	Posted - 2010.09.20 04:55:00 - [32] Big difference between covering something up and simply not wanting to link the two unrelated ventures.
Ramingo Caldari Payable on Death	Posted - 2010.09.20 05:29:00 - [33] Originally by: My Entity I am so sorry for coming to your thread and butchering it again, but I just had to ask.... Where do you get the audacity to provide audit service while you won't even accept auditing for your own investment? You even stated that auditing does not add value. At least tobacco companies claimed for decades that their products are harmless. I suggest you just create another alt and start from the scratch. Thanks for trying to butcher it again. Sadly you're either a troll, an idiot or simply can't read. I challenge you to find a quote where I say I don't accept audits for my own investment or that it does not add value. What I specifically said was that I was happy to let myself be audited, and I would be happy to tell VV about the entire business. That means audited by anyone, but the inner workings of the plan only shared with VV. I then went on to state that due to my not having a trading performance that can be analysed, an audit wouldn't really help much other than to confirm my alts and that they've never scammed before.
Ramingo Caldari Payable on Death	Posted - 2010.09.22 07:45:00 - [34] bump!
Ramingo Caldari Payable on Death	Posted - 2010.09.25 07:59:00 - [35] Bump - plenty of time to do audits while RL work is slow!
Ramingo Caldari Payable on Death	Posted - 2010.10.25 13:08:00 - [36] Bump, available again for audits. Post here or contact me ingame on Ramingo/Tatal Zmeu/Diana Devil if you'd like to get an audit done.

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