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Atticus Fynch
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.08.17 16:35:00 -
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A second EVE universe.
There is no other way around it. You can fit just so many people into a phone booth before you need a second.
It's unavoidable so accept it.
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Sash Windu
Gallente The Green Banana Corporation
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Posted - 2010.08.17 16:47:00 -
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Or just instance the current one.
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AtlantisX
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Posted - 2010.08.17 16:49:00 -
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I'd rather have lag.
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JC Anderson
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2010.08.17 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Sash Windu Or just instance the current one.
I think it was E&B but cant be sure... But one MMO I played would create a new instance of a system/zone once its population reached a certain number.
Worked out OK at best but began to get tricky when somebody would lag out then log back in to find they weren't in the same instance as their party/group/gang anymore.
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BuckStrider
Fleem Co
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Posted - 2010.08.17 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: Atticus Fynch A second EVE universe.
There is no other way around it. You can fit just so many people into a phone booth before you need a second.
It's unavoidable so accept it.
There is one, but I don't feel like moving to China
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2010.08.17 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: AtlantisX I'd rather have lag.
This.
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Lady Ayeipsia
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Posted - 2010.08.17 16:56:00 -
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Um... wouldn't you need a set of servers for each "universe"? And at that point, why not just use those servers to better balance the load in EVE so we can all still stay in the same universe?
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.08.17 16:57:00 -
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Should just double the size of the current EVE universe.
My deepest sympathies. Prof. Tarantula, Esq. |
Jovialmadness
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Posted - 2010.08.17 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: Atticus Fynch A second EVE universe.
There is no other way around it. You can fit just so many people into a phone booth before you need a second.
It's unavoidable so accept it.
Yes but you can make a bigger phone booth. You can also shrink people. Technology kinda works that way.
Just accept it.
Problem is is like ive always said just as soon as ccp does ANYTHING to control lag we players will test the boundaries again. |
Sash Windu
Gallente The Green Banana Corporation
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Posted - 2010.08.17 17:00:00 -
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Edited by: Sash Windu on 17/08/2010 17:01:28
Originally by: JC Anderson
Originally by: Sash Windu Or just instance the current one.
I think it was E&B but cant be sure... But one MMO I played would create a new instance of a system/zone once its population reached a certain number.
STO is completely instanced, it is terrible, you get no feeling of being the part of the same universe as the other players.
Anyway, the solution that CCP has chosen: to distribute the players over the server nodes based on their location within the virtual universe is a workable system, it just needs some debugging.
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JC Anderson
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2010.08.17 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Sash Windu Edited by: Sash Windu on 17/08/2010 17:01:28
Originally by: JC Anderson
Originally by: Sash Windu Or just instance the current one.
I think it was E&B but cant be sure... But one MMO I played would create a new instance of a system/zone once its population reached a certain number.
STO is completely instanced, it is terrible, you get no feeling of being the part of the same universe as the other players.
Anyway, the solution that CCP has chosen: to distribute the players over the server nodes based on their location within the virtual universe is a workable system, it just needs some debugging.
Like in the same way that Guild Wars is set up? STO I mean.
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de v
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Posted - 2010.08.17 17:05:00 -
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Edited by: de v on 17/08/2010 17:05:02 you know who else had a final solution?
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Pesky LaRue
Minmatar The Magnificent Bastards
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Posted - 2010.08.17 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: Atticus Fynch A second EVE universe.
There is no other way around it. You can fit just so many people into a phone booth before you need a second.
It's unavoidable so accept it.
Posting in another Nooma K'larr-alt troll thread. .
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Niccolado Starwalker
Gallente Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2010.08.17 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: AtlantisX I'd rather have lag.
This
Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL. |
Fishsticks Fred
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Posted - 2010.08.17 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: de v you know who else had a final solution?
This tbh.
Originally by: Professor Tarantula Should just double the size of the current EVE universe.
This will just exacerbate the problem, because if will mean each node will have even more systems to look after.
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Skippermonkey
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2010.08.17 17:38:00 -
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Final Solution?
Have the Amarr solved the Minnatar problem?
Originally by: CCP Capslock
OH GOD THE TESTING
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Sinister Dextor
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Posted - 2010.08.17 17:44:00 -
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Why would you try to fit a lot of people in a phone booth? You really are a lot less intelligent and 'logical' than you imagine yourself to be, terrible name and all.
Also, o/ Nooma.
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LHA Tarawa
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Posted - 2010.08.17 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: Jovialmadness Just accept it.
Problem is is like ive always said just as soon as ccp does ANYTHING to control lag we players will test the boundaries again.
Right. If it works for 100 v 100 fleets, we'll bring 200 v 200. If they get it working well for 200 v 200, then we'll bring 400 v 400.
Sun Tsu, "Get there first, with the most".
EVE Online, "Get there first, with the most that the software can handle without crashing".
With 50K active players, the mega alliances could field 1000 v 1000 but the server crashes long before that.
So, let's say they split the universe in two. Now there are 25K active players each... okay.. The mega alliances can still bring 1000 v 1000, and the servers still can't handle it.
I suspect that a lot of the lag comes from drones. Hard enough to track the location of 400 ships, the damage done by 3200 weapons, the hardeners, the Ewar, etc, etc, etc...
Now put 2000 drones into the fight that have to have their location tracked, the weapons fired, their shields damaged, etc. etc. etc.
I'm wondering if they couldn't do something like... I know this will be very unpopular, but lag is unpopular too... Let's say that if you have drones out, your CPU is being used to control them so you can't use the main guns... or your tracking goes to crud.. or something that will discourage everyone from filling space with a gazillion drones during these big fleet fights.
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HappyBunnyHammer
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Posted - 2010.08.17 17:53:00 -
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Final Solution; best solution.
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FinnAgain Zero
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.17 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: LHA Tarawa
Sun Tsu, "Get there first, with the most".
Actually that was Nathan Bedford Forrest, Confederate officer (and *** leader, too). ------------------------------------------------
Hohohoho, Mister Finn, you're going to be Mister Finnagain! |
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Ryhss
Caldari Ominous Corp Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.08.17 18:01:00 -
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Edited by: Ryhss on 17/08/2010 18:06:05
Originally by: LHA Tarawa
I'm wondering if they couldn't do something like... I know this will be very unpopular, but lag is unpopular too... Let's say that if you have drones out, your CPU is being used to control them so you can't use the main guns... or your tracking goes to crud.. or something that will discourage everyone from filling space with a gazillion drones during these big fleet fights.
Good idea. Get rid of those Gallente smeg heads! [url=http://eve-kill.net?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=401687] [/url] What the smeging smeg?! |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.08.17 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: Atticus Fynch It's unavoidable so accept it.
Not really. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Dian'h Might
Minmatar Cash and Cargo Liberators Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.08.17 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: LHA Tarawa Let's say that if you have drones out, your CPU is being used to control them so you can't use the main guns... or your tracking goes to crud.. or something that will discourage everyone from filling space with a gazillion drones during these big fleet fights.
This has got to be the dumbest thing I've ever read on these forums. Troll 8/10.
If large numbers of drones really were an issue, and you really wanted to "fix" it, just merge them all into a single superdrone that looses dps as it takes damage.
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JC Anderson
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2010.08.17 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: Dian'h Might
Originally by: LHA Tarawa Let's say that if you have drones out, your CPU is being used to control them so you can't use the main guns... or your tracking goes to crud.. or something that will discourage everyone from filling space with a gazillion drones during these big fleet fights.
This has got to be the dumbest thing I've ever read on these forums. Troll 8/10.
If large numbers of drones really were an issue, and you really wanted to "fix" it, just merge them all into a single superdrone that looses dps as it takes damage.
*Sings the voltron Theme Song*
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.08.17 18:39:00 -
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Originally by: Atticus Fynch You can fit just so many people into a phone booth before you need a second.
We already have about 240 physical phone booths (60 nodes each with two 3.3Ghz dual-core CPUs) that run the ~9k virtual phonebooths we call "(solar) systems". You can upgrade the size of some of those physical booths a bit (get faster hardware for some nodes), you can get more physical booths so less virtual phonebooths share the same physical one (get more nodes), and you can make the people smaller (code optimizations).
Quote: A second EVE universe. There is no other way around it. It's unavoidable so accept it.
Hell no, you're wrong, and no.
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Hari Markkus
Freelancing Corp Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2010.08.17 19:20:00 -
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Methinks someone needs to train her Troll Detection skill a bit higher.
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Atticus Fynch
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.08.17 19:38:00 -
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Originally by: Pepe LePew
Originally by: Atticus Fynch A second EVE universe.
There is no other way around it. You can fit just so many people into a phone booth before you need a second.
It's unavoidable so accept it.
I'm being an ass as usual because I have a small e-peen.
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Pesky LaRue
Minmatar The Magnificent Bastards
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Posted - 2010.08.17 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: Atticus Fynch
Originally by: Pepe LePew
Originally by: Atticus Fynch A second EVE universe.
There is no other way around it. You can fit just so many people into a phone booth before you need a second.
It's unavoidable so accept it.
I'm being an ass as usual because I have a small e-peen.
hey, at least I post with my main, Nooma.
Funny how you used to complain you were always being trolled and yet, when you start posting with a new char, the same thing happened (even before I tumbled you).
What does that say to you about your posting? .
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Atticus Fynch
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.08.17 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Pesky LaRue
Originally by: Atticus Fynch
Originally by: Pepe LePew
Originally by: Atticus Fynch A second EVE universe.
There is no other way around it. You can fit just so many people into a phone booth before you need a second.
It's unavoidable so accept it.
I'm being an ass as usual because I have a small e-peen.
Look at me!! Look at me!! Look at me!! I'm so clever... my mommy said so. LOOK AT ME!!!
Pepe, the only thing you have shown is that you are a major attention *****. Never discussing the topic of the thread...but always discussing the poster. You seem to get a hard-on from my posts in particular, so stop stalking me you freak.
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.08.17 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Hari Markkus Methinks someone needs to train her Troll Detection skill a bit higher.
I like to feed trolls. _
Beginner's ISK making guide | Manufacturer's helper | All about reacting _
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Asuka Smith
Gallente StarHunt
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Posted - 2010.08.17 19:58:00 -
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I love referring to my own awful ideas to solve problems as "the final solution" hahaha.
Maybe we should put all the caldari characters into a camp eh Atticus? That might solve the load issues.
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Pesky LaRue
Minmatar The Magnificent Bastards
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Posted - 2010.08.17 20:02:00 -
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Originally by: Pesky LaRue
I'm being an ass as usual because I have a small e-peen.
Originally by: Pesky LaRue Look at me!! Look at me!! Look at me!! I'm so clever... my mommy said so. LOOK AT ME!!!
Originally by: Atticus Fynch Pepe, the only thing you have shown is that you are a major attention *****. Never discussing the topic of the thread...but always discussing the poster. You seem to get a hard-on from my posts in particular, so stop stalking me you freak.
awww, poor Nooma. Can't resort to anything but personal attacks after your "secret trolling alt" was discovered? Awwww. .
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Atticus Fynch
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.08.17 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: Asuka Smith I love referring to my own awful ideas to solve problems as "the final solution" hahaha.
Maybe we should put all the caldari characters into a camp eh Atticus? That might solve the load issues.
It's not an awful idea but a viable solution. It may not be the perfect one eve universe everyone wants, but it would alleviate lag, no?
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Stick Cult
Unspoken Autonomy.
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Posted - 2010.08.17 20:10:00 -
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Edited by: Stick Cult on 17/08/2010 20:15:06
Originally by: Atticus Fynch
Originally by: Asuka Smith I love referring to my own awful ideas to solve problems as "the final solution" hahaha.
Maybe we should put all the caldari characters into a camp eh Atticus? That might solve the load issues.
It's not an awful idea but a viable solution. It may not be the perfect one eve universe everyone wants, but it would alleviate lag, no?
No, it wouldn't. Because then eventually you might have 30k people on each server, in which case you would still likely end up with 500 v 500 nullsec fights on ~both~ servers, and you have done nothing to relieve the cause in the first place. You would end up with node death on two servers now.
edit: a better solution, instead of making a second phone booth, is to simply make this one bigger. (of course simply adding nodes also won't fix the problem, but as I recall CCP "is working on" a way to spread out a system across multiple nodes, which will, in fact, help)
Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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Atticus Fynch
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.08.17 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: Stick Cult
Originally by: Atticus Fynch
Originally by: Asuka Smith I love referring to my own awful ideas to solve problems as "the final solution" hahaha.
Maybe we should put all the caldari characters into a camp eh Atticus? That might solve the load issues.
It's not an awful idea but a viable solution. It may not be the perfect one eve universe everyone wants, but it would alleviate lag, no?
No, it wouldn't. Because then eventually you might have 30k people on each server, in which case you would still likely end up with 500 v 500 nullsec fights on ~both~ servers, and you have done nothing to relieve the cause in the first place. You would end up with node death on two servers now.
30k people on 2 servers is very unlikely at this point in time. Perhaps 10 years from now...but not now.
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Stick Cult
Unspoken Autonomy.
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Posted - 2010.08.17 20:17:00 -
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Originally by: Atticus Fynch
Originally by: Stick Cult
Originally by: Atticus Fynch
Originally by: Asuka Smith I love referring to my own awful ideas to solve problems as "the final solution" hahaha.
Maybe we should put all the caldari characters into a camp eh Atticus? That might solve the load issues.
It's not an awful idea but a viable solution. It may not be the perfect one eve universe everyone wants, but it would alleviate lag, no?
No, it wouldn't. Because then eventually you might have 30k people on each server, in which case you would still likely end up with 500 v 500 nullsec fights on ~both~ servers, and you have done nothing to relieve the cause in the first place. You would end up with node death on two servers now.
30k people on 2 servers is very unlikely at this point in time. Perhaps 10 years from now...but not now.
The current record for most people online at once is 60k. Divided by 2 servers, 30k. (just in case you can't do simple math) Tranquility, on a more regular basis, peaks at 50k a few times a week, and at least 40k every day.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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Atticus Fynch
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.08.17 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: Stick Cult
The current record for most people online at once is 60k. Divided by 2 servers, 30k. (just in case you can't do simple math) Tranquility, on a more regular basis, peaks at 50k a few times a week, and at least 40k every day.
Right. And how often have we hit 60k? That's my point. We hit 40k+ every day on just one. Very doubtful it will be the same load X2.
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Sisohiv
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Posted - 2010.08.17 21:07:00 -
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Edited by: Sisohiv on 17/08/2010 21:08:12 I'd transfer.
I'd also prefer a classic with exploit fixes.
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Lykouleon
Trust Doesn't Rust Mostly Cookie
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Posted - 2010.08.17 21:08:00 -
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The Final Solution
Quote: Aedun Sole > flying with lyk is like flying a bus filled with 5 year old children
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Doppleganger
Minmatar Imperium Technologies Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.08.17 21:13:00 -
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Edited by: Doppleganger on 17/08/2010 21:15:27 Just roll the character base back to the fall of 2003.
{edit} Then cap it there
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.08.17 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: Atticus Fynch A second EVE universe.
There is no other way around it. You can fit just so many people into a phone booth before you need a second.
It's unavoidable so accept it.
So what happens when a few hundred people migrate to the second server and it starts lagging because they want to do a fleet fight? Make a third server? Or does your cunning plan hinge upon ccp fixing lag? If so then we wouldn't need the second server in the first place.
Originally by: CCP Oveur My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard.
Originally by: CCP Adida Moved from missions and complexes. All other game discussions are only aloud in OOP.
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CCP Adida
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.17 22:20:00 -
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Locked due to trolling everywhere.
Adida Community Rep CCP Hf, EVE Online
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