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Myca Avalon	Posted - 2010.08.19 14:40:00 - [61] Hey here's an idea! Why don't CCP cycle DT through 1000-1600 GMT? That way CCP can clean up roids during their work hours, adn us Aussies don;t have to cope with DT at 9pm every goddamn day.
Storm Templar Amarr ANZAC ALLIANCE	Posted - 2010.08.19 14:48:00 - [62] Eastern Aus player here. DT usually hits at 9 p.m. and the server stays down until 10 p.m. or in the case of this extended DT, 11 or 11.30. Big deal. You know what you can do in that one or two hours? - Food - Another game, Minecraft or BF BC2 ;) - Tuck your kids into bed - Have a cigarette or two - Oh look tv (although aussie tv is quite ****, to be frank) - Have a breath of fresh air. - Have a glass of wine/beer/spirit. p.s. whos going to be Prime Minister whos the lesser of the two evils? I have a feeling that Abbott is going to win. Bring back John Howard, or at least K-Rudd.
Troll Bridgington Heavy Metal Machine. Mostly Clueless	Posted - 2010.08.19 15:24:00 - [63] Originally by: Jigoku Majo Originally by: CCP Adida Cleared some trolling comments And added SFA value. Maybe some more time fixing the game and less time on the forums so there are fewer long DTs? Lame. shut up.
Cearain Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION	Posted - 2010.08.19 16:23:00 - [64] I'm US tz but would agree that we shouldn't just kill off the down under tz by making them deal with every down time. Spread out the pain at least a little bit ccp. -Cearain Make fw occupancy pvp instead of pve: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2010.08.19 16:29:00 - [65] Originally by: Brother Philbert 2 hours later would make it 11pm AEST, when most people have logged off for the night and this being the most affected timezone by the current timing. this would make it 11am GMT where the devs are, putting it in the middle of the day for them to do there tasks, they may have to take a late lunch but hey is that so bad? It's already scheduled for 11am GMTà ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Zackgar Lead Farmers Wrong Alliance	Posted - 2010.08.19 16:38:00 - [66] Originally by: Minchurra Once you win the Ashes back. </thread>
Jigoku Majo	Posted - 2010.08.19 22:51:00 - [67] Originally by: thatbloke Originally by: Jigoku Majo Originally by: CCP Adida Cleared some trolling comments And added SFA value. Maybe some more time fixing the game and less time on the forums so there are fewer long DTs? Lame. And how do you expect them to apply and verify said fixes if they can't bring the server down to do it? I expect them to use some freaking brains and try to respect their players by picking a time to extend DT that impacts on the LEAST number of players possible. Doing this PRIME TIME for the Oceanic region is just another fisting. If the issue what that critical it should be done straight away. Maybe in prime US times? Failing that why not just make it next Wednesday? Agree, you're always going to hit SOMEONE in some time zone when they want to play, but CCP aren't even trying to avoid the problem. They seem to be going purposely out of their way to make it worse. Smacks of contempt and more evidence of their "bend over and take it" approach to the community.
Philderbeast	Posted - 2010.08.20 12:12:00 - [68] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Brother Philbert 2 hours later would make it 11pm AEST, when most people have logged off for the night and this being the most affected timezone by the current timing. this would make it 11am GMT where the devs are, putting it in the middle of the day for them to do there tasks, they may have to take a late lunch but hey is that so bad? It's already scheduled for 11am GMTà so it is, will have to check my math next time... but 11 am or 1pm.. doesn't make to much difference to the math and the point being made. its still withing the working day for CCP and puts it in a dead spot for many more players/ but i would love to hear if i have it wrong and anyone else would be unfairly disadvantaged by moving DT 2 hours back (also remember to plan for the full hour even though we know it doesn't take that long normally) maybe I can throw this at the CSM to push yet again... not that i expect it to actually change as nice as that would be. that or perhaps we can actually get a comment from CCP on this matter,If there is a real reason they can't move it I would love to here from CCP on this issue.
Halcyon Ingenium Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse	Posted - 2010.08.20 13:04:00 - [69] Originally by: Octavene Ares <start vent> Does CCP remember that there is a substantial number of people that play this wonderful internet spaceship game from time zones other than EU and US? Whose great idea was it to extend downtime on a Friday night for maintenance tasks? That is peak playtime for New Zealand, Australia and several other countries. As it is we always have to put up with DT during our peak playtime, but we have learned to live with that. Now we have yet another extended DT in our peak time.... I'm all for improving the performance of eve in general, but must it all be at the expense of one time zone? Does this maintenance have to be done on a Friday and could all of us in this part of the world please have a reduced subscription fee considering we can't play as much as we would like? </end vent> Someone has to take the shaft on the downtime. Congratulations, its you.
Brother Philbert	Posted - 2010.08.20 13:17:00 - [70] Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium Originally by: Octavene Ares <start vent> Does CCP remember that there is a substantial number of people that play this wonderful internet spaceship game from time zones other than EU and US? Whose great idea was it to extend downtime on a Friday night for maintenance tasks? That is peak playtime for New Zealand, Australia and several other countries. As it is we always have to put up with DT during our peak playtime, but we have learned to live with that. Now we have yet another extended DT in our peak time.... I'm all for improving the performance of eve in general, but must it all be at the expense of one time zone? Does this maintenance have to be done on a Friday and could all of us in this part of the world please have a reduced subscription fee considering we can't play as much as we would like? </end vent> Someone has to take the shaft on the downtime. Congratulations, its you. did you read the whole thread... no one has to take the shaft of downtime.... it just has to be a moved a bit and everyone is happy
Halcyon Ingenium Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse	Posted - 2010.08.20 13:20:00 - [71] Originally by: Brother Philbert Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium Originally by: Octavene Ares <start vent> Does CCP remember that there is a substantial number of people that play this wonderful internet spaceship game from time zones other than EU and US? Whose great idea was it to extend downtime on a Friday night for maintenance tasks? That is peak playtime for New Zealand, Australia and several other countries. As it is we always have to put up with DT during our peak playtime, but we have learned to live with that. Now we have yet another extended DT in our peak time.... I'm all for improving the performance of eve in general, but must it all be at the expense of one time zone? Does this maintenance have to be done on a Friday and could all of us in this part of the world please have a reduced subscription fee considering we can't play as much as we would like? </end vent> Someone has to take the shaft on the downtime. Congratulations, its you. did you read the whole thread... no one has to take the shaft of downtime.... it just has to be a moved a bit and everyone is happy Blah blah blah blah meh meh? Meh meh duh. That's you, that's what you sound like.
Jigoku Majo	Posted - 2010.08.20 14:06:00 - [72] Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium Blah blah blah blah meh meh? Meh meh duh. That's you, that's what you sound like. No, that's what you hear because your ass, your mouth, and your ears are full of CCP kum that you are happy to take. Because it's apologists like you that can't bear that CCP might be delivering turds on a plate to some people. **** off and enjoy your protein shower.
Cletus Graeme Caldari Duty. Duty. Private Security	Posted - 2010.08.20 14:44:00 - [73] Edited by: Cletus Graeme on 20/08/2010 14:47:39 Originally by: Amber Accelerando Edited by: Amber Accelerando on 19/08/2010 01:00:37 Quote: They do DT when they do, because they have all the staff and resources available at that time (like I stated). That's the only reason DT is when it is, and as I've said three times now, all the info is available on the forums. You'll have to search for it though. What I am saying is CCP should change that time so DT doesn't happen at 9PM for us Aussies. I'm sure "all the resources and staff" are available at less inconvenient times. You're forgeting a few things here. Iceland is a small country and until recently CCP was a very small company with technical teams based ONLY in Iceland so having the manpower to perform DT whenever they (or you) prefer is probably not as trivial as you might think. Also the cluster itself is located near London so again, midday GMT is most favourable for them in terms of manpower and expertise available to deal with any issues. Additionally, performing it in the middle of their working day has another obvious advantage. They have plenty of time either side of DT to prepare for it (in the mornings) and also make any fixes (in the afternoons) before the EU and US peak-times arrive. The work they do (aside from the DT itself) can also require the involvement of people outside the "Daily Maintenance Team" (e.g. liasing with a team of coders to release a new bug fix or extra functionailty etc) so you need to have them available - which is the case during normal working hours. Ultimately, it comes down to the fact that CCP do it when it's most convenient for themselves, partially because they're selfish (and why shouldn't they be) but mostly because they have to due to real world constraints (such as staff/equipment availability and running costs). This way they can ensure that DT is as smooth as possible and the game suffers minimal disruption which benefits us all in the end as since DT is a daily occurence this any disruptions could potentially occur on a daily basis which would be bloody annoying to say the least. Now that they have offices growing in the USA and China we can perhaps expect 100% round-the-clock maintenance in years to come and that might allow for a variable DT.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.08.20 15:08:00 - [74] As said above, CCP are EU based, their technician employees are available just in certain times. Plus there is another factor: the downtime perfom TONS of scheduled tasks, bound to alter their results depending on when you do the DT. So much that the DT is always at the same hour regardless of daylight changes or whatever. Now, with large efforts those batch operations could indeed be changed but: 1) It's not free, time is money 2) It's super-mega-ancient code and you KNOW what happens with that code when you just look at it. 3) The two above would make it unfeasible to rotate downtime "turns" across timezones. A convergence of all of the above leads to the decision that someone got to get the shaft, and they are the minority (as usual) - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.08.20 16:04:00 - [75] Originally by: Octavene Ares <start vent> Does CCP remember that there is a substantial number of people that play this wonderful internet spaceship game from time zones other than EU and US? Whose great idea was it to extend downtime on a Friday night for maintenance tasks? That is peak playtime for New Zealand, Australia and several other countries. As it is we always have to put up with DT during our peak playtime, but we have learned to live with that. Now we have yet another extended DT in our peak time.... I'm all for improving the performance of eve in general, but must it all be at the expense of one time zone? Does this maintenance have to be done on a Friday and could all of us in this part of the world please have a reduced subscription fee considering we can't play as much as we would like? </end vent> No. When you say "fanboi" try to picture a fat man doing burlesque with 2 big ass fans that say CCP on one and HTFU on the other. Because that dude is me.
Guru'Kha Amarr Hedion University	Posted - 2010.08.20 16:23:00 - [76] Steve Irwin was a pain in the butt when flying to Australia, within 1 hour of arriving in AU airspace he would come on, and spout off about bio diversity and hold a Koala in a dirty way. And on Subject, Why should DT be moed just for you? I dont want DT in the afternoon thank you. -- Guru'Kha
Roemy Schneider Vanishing Point.	Posted - 2010.08.20 16:24:00 - [77] but.... EU prime-time has server reboots as well :17 months: - putting the gist back into logistics
Captain Pompous Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It	Posted - 2010.08.20 18:30:00 - [78] Edited by: Captain Pompous on 20/08/2010 18:31:22 Originally by: Mohojo Because about 5% of even is from your timezone. Its better to have 5% complain then 85% Actually, it's even less. The percentage of players from Australasia is negligble, commercially and relatively speaking e: watch out for them stingrays, they be funky --- ☻♥ Problem? Therapy sessions ♥☻
Dr Sheepbringer Gallente	Posted - 2010.08.21 09:01:00 - [79] Originally by: Crias Taylor I don't think CCP can take sheep as payment. Yes they do. Stop whining.
Wolfcan Gekko	Posted - 2010.09.04 00:07:00 - [80] Originally by: Stick Cult No matter what time it is, it's going to hit one timezone in it's primetime. No it is not. At 12:00 UTC it is 9 pm Australia time. 10 pm in Japan etc. If they brought forward the downtime to 9:00 UTC it will hit Australia at 6pm japan 7 pm. There is no country east of Australia with a substantial population (Sorry NZ). Therefore, they should bring the downtime forward by 3 hours. That will open up millions of potential players.
Nankeen Heron	Posted - 2010.09.04 01:53:00 - [81] "ELIGIBILITY: The "EVE Online Universal Glory Sweepstakes" ... is applicable and open to legal residents of North America and Europe who are thirteen (13) years of age or older." Down Under needs a posse.
Ryhss Caldari Ominous Corp Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2010.09.04 05:10:00 - [82] Originally by: Stick Cult No matter what time it is, it's going to hit one timezone in it's primetime. It's got to be primetime somewhere, at all times! What time is it? Party time. Time for bed.
Darth Skorpius 352 Industries	Posted - 2010.09.04 05:17:00 - [83] Originally by: Nankeen Heron "ELIGIBILITY: The "EVE Online Universal Glory Sweepstakes" ... is applicable and open to legal residents of North America and Europe who are thirteen (13) years of age or older." Down Under needs a posse. qft. seriously ccp, stop screwing us over. i can deal with dt being in our prime time (infact, its usually my cue to go to bed, without it i tend to stay up later than i should) but dont screw us on comps as well ____________________________________________
Stick Cult	Posted - 2010.09.04 05:27:00 - [84] Originally by: Darth Skorpius Originally by: Nankeen Heron "ELIGIBILITY: The "EVE Online Universal Glory Sweepstakes" ... is applicable and open to legal residents of North America and Europe who are thirteen (13) years of age or older." Down Under needs a posse. qft. seriously ccp, stop screwing us over. i can deal with dt being in our prime time (infact, its usually my cue to go to bed, without it i tend to stay up later than i should) but dont screw us on comps as well It's legal issues. I don't know why, because law is stupid. Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
Darth Skorpius 352 Industries	Posted - 2010.09.06 00:33:00 - [85] Originally by: Stick Cult Originally by: Darth Skorpius Originally by: Nankeen Heron "ELIGIBILITY: The "EVE Online Universal Glory Sweepstakes" ... is applicable and open to legal residents of North America and Europe who are thirteen (13) years of age or older." Down Under needs a posse. qft. seriously ccp, stop screwing us over. i can deal with dt being in our prime time (infact, its usually my cue to go to bed, without it i tend to stay up later than i should) but dont screw us on comps as well It's legal issues. I don't know why, because law is stupid. no, its just laziness, i have seen several comps in the past from us based companies that have allowed kiwis and aussies to enter, so clearly its not that big an obstacle.also, im sure some local companies here in nz and aus would be willing to help sponsor a comp, if thats what is required. heck, even a comp to win a single plex would show they at least know we exsist. or even a post to say they will look at ways they can bring us comps would suffice. but instead we get nothing but silence ____________________________________________
Spifflonius BoB Enterprises Veni Vidi Vici Alliance	Posted - 2010.09.06 00:58:00 - [86] Originally by: Storm Templar Edited by: Storm Templar on 19/08/2010 14:49:13 Eastern Aus player here. DT usually hits at 9 p.m. and the server stays down until 10 p.m. or in the case of this extended DT, 11 or 11.30. Big deal. You know what you can do in that one or two hours? - Food - Another game, Minecraft or BF BC2 ;) - Tuck your kids into bed - Have a cigarette or two - Oh look tv (although aussie tv is quite ****, to be frank) - Have a breath of fresh air. - Have a glass of wine/beer/spirit. p.s. whos going to be Prime Minister. Why can't we abstain or have a vote of no confidence? I have a feeling that Abbott is going to win. Bring back John Howard, or at least K-Rudd. You can't be a real Aussie. Beer at the bottom of the list? It should be at the top!
Jita Alt666	Posted - 2010.09.06 01:06:00 - [87] How did this thread get back to the top? Its not going to change. Ask your eemployer to change your hours from 9 - 5 to 11 - 7. Then do your usual get home from work stuff and play eve from the end of Downtime till 1am We all know that playing at the end of downtime is awesome.
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2010.09.06 03:24:00 - [88] Originally by: Captain Pompous Edited by: Captain Pompous on 20/08/2010 18:31:22 Originally by: Mohojo Because about 5% of even is from your timezone. Its better to have 5% complain then 85% Actually, it's even less. The percentage of players from Australasia is negligble, commercially and relatively speaking e: watch out for them stingrays, they be funky Replying to threads without reading them since 2008
PDP11	Posted - 2010.09.07 00:51:00 - [89] Originally by: Octavene Ares Does CCP remember that there is a substantial number of people that play this wonderful internet spaceship game from time zones other than EU and US? Of course not. Just look at the rules for the current CCP competition. Anybody outside of North America/Europe doesn't exist. Quote: 2. ELIGIBILITY: The "EVE Online Universal Glory Sweepstakes" (the "Promotion"), brought to you by CCP North America, Inc. (the "Sponsor"), will be governed by these "Official Rules". This Sweepstakes is applicable and open to legal residents of North America and Europe who are thirteen (13) years of age or older. If CCP doesn't think Aussies/New Zealand players are significant enough to allow us to enter their competitions, then why do you think they would move downtime out into the middle of the ocean to inconvenience any whales playing Eve Online. Aussies, just live with it, Downtime is going to be in our prime time, end of story.
Jita Alt666	Posted - 2010.09.07 01:18:00 - [90] And we all know that logging on straight after down time allows best access to officer gear.

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