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Scorpyn	Posted - 2004.12.24 12:06:00 - [31] Aren't those game mostly pve? EVE is a lot more pvp than those I think (never played them). What's the point of a mmo game if you can't attack each other? It'd be like playing a single player game with friends, and you don't need big servers to do that, a small server for like 50 ppl or so should be enough...
Scorpyn	Posted - 2004.12.24 12:06:00 - [32] Aren't those game mostly pve? EVE is a lot more pvp than those I think (never played them). What's the point of a mmo game if you can't attack each other? It'd be like playing a single player game with friends, and you don't need big servers to do that, a small server for like 50 ppl or so should be enough...
SwitchBl4d3	Posted - 2004.12.24 12:32:00 - [33] the sims online sounds fun. Quote: Evangeline said she liked to torture new players ("newbies") by luring them into a house specifically designed to trap and torture them. "Newbies are so disgusting...they're the bane of my Sim life," she said. "I'll cage (you) like an animal and have people laugh at (you)." HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHHAAA i want to lure miners into my vampire lair and drain there blood "Teh lord of Nonni"
SwitchBl4d3	Posted - 2004.12.24 12:32:00 - [34] the sims online sounds fun. Quote: Evangeline said she liked to torture new players ("newbies") by luring them into a house specifically designed to trap and torture them. "Newbies are so disgusting...they're the bane of my Sim life," she said. "I'll cage (you) like an animal and have people laugh at (you)." HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHHAAA i want to lure miners into my vampire lair and drain there blood "Teh lord of Nonni"
sableye	Posted - 2004.12.24 13:06:00 - [35] Originally by: Daakkon Im probably sure that guy is Parallux....the guy I killed and tank recorded on ts any link to the recording?
sableye	Posted - 2004.12.24 13:06:00 - [36] Originally by: Daakkon Im probably sure that guy is Parallux....the guy I killed and tank recorded on ts any link to the recording?
Crunch Freeman	Posted - 2004.12.24 15:31:00 - [37] Originally by: Basileus Any article that uses words such as "heck" I cannot take seriously at all I'm afraid. In Yankonia someone has probably sued someone else over griefing behavious in an MMORG. Americans... nuff said. Yankonia? Geeze, what a retard.
Crunch Freeman	Posted - 2004.12.24 15:31:00 - [38] Originally by: Basileus Any article that uses words such as "heck" I cannot take seriously at all I'm afraid. In Yankonia someone has probably sued someone else over griefing behavious in an MMORG. Americans... nuff said. Yankonia? Geeze, what a retard.
Istvaan Shogaatsu	Posted - 2004.12.24 15:43:00 - [39] My new goal in life is to hurt so many people I get a news article. That Evangeline broad must be a celebrity in the Sims Online by now.
Istvaan Shogaatsu	Posted - 2004.12.24 15:43:00 - [40] My new goal in life is to hurt so many people I get a news article. That Evangeline broad must be a celebrity in the Sims Online by now.
Vegeta	Posted - 2004.12.24 15:51:00 - [41] Originally by: Daakkon Im probably sure that guy is Parallux....the guy I killed and tank recorded on ts enlighten me please!! :) 2005.04.25 16:40:42 combat Your 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II perfectly strikes LawrenceNewton [WARAG], wrecking for 2706.9 damage.
Vegeta	Posted - 2004.12.24 15:51:00 - [42] Originally by: Daakkon Im probably sure that guy is Parallux....the guy I killed and tank recorded on ts enlighten me please!! :) 2005.04.25 16:40:42 combat Your 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II perfectly strikes LawrenceNewton [WARAG], wrecking for 2706.9 damage.
Sardau Kar	Posted - 2004.12.24 16:07:00 - [43] Kudos,thats probably the largest ammount of nonsenseish bull**** that nobody managed to put together in a bunch of paragraphs. GG Review,your almost there for darwin awards.
Sardau Kar	Posted - 2004.12.24 16:07:00 - [44] Kudos,thats probably the largest ammount of nonsenseish bull**** that nobody managed to put together in a bunch of paragraphs. GG Review,your almost there for darwin awards.
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2004.12.24 16:19:00 - [45] Rofl reading that makes me wanna play the sims online... Griefers > Stupid people. Smart People > Griefers. --------------------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2004.12.24 16:19:00 - [46] Rofl reading that makes me wanna play the sims online... Griefers > Stupid people. Smart People > Griefers. --------------------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Krizzi Lih	Posted - 2004.12.24 16:33:00 - [47] ...I thought it was a known fact that griefers are usually the first to use the word "Bullst" in forums and flame... ...but I could be wrong ----------------
Krizzi Lih	Posted - 2004.12.24 16:33:00 - [48] ...I thought it was a known fact that griefers are usually the first to use the word "Bullst" in forums and flame... ...but I could be wrong ----------------
Nuala Reece	Posted - 2004.12.24 16:34:00 - [49] Originally by: Siddy How can you "greef" in simms? From what I heard - you get a group of folk together and hold off on going to the toilet until everyone's bladders are nearly full. Then you go around to someone's house and urinate on their lawn to kill their plants. It's the Sims, after all - they're not going to get much more dangerous than that until they introduce a gang warfare expension Although they did also have the first documented case of a player run cyber brothel in a MMOG. What I'd say about the article though - I think we can't discount that some people will play MMOGs in the ways described, and maybe for the reasons described. By and large, people behave according to pretty consistent patterns and those paterns may be pretty similar in game to the way they feel in rl. But also, there could have been more consideration of the effect of role playing and the different things allowed by different games. Pirates are such a large and important part of EVE - it just wouldn't be as fun a game without them - and we can't really escape the fact that often piracy and griefing travel pretty close together. But EVE's pvp oriented gameplay makes it much easier for players to take the fight back to the griefers rather than having to rely on artificial controls imposed by the game's developers. I guess, where the article suggests the parental advice approach of 'just ignore them and they'll go away', EVE promotes the other side of parental advice 'get back out there and hit him back'. Be Free Freelancing Corp
Nuala Reece	Posted - 2004.12.24 16:34:00 - [50] Originally by: Siddy How can you "greef" in simms? From what I heard - you get a group of folk together and hold off on going to the toilet until everyone's bladders are nearly full. Then you go around to someone's house and urinate on their lawn to kill their plants. It's the Sims, after all - they're not going to get much more dangerous than that until they introduce a gang warfare expension Although they did also have the first documented case of a player run cyber brothel in a MMOG. What I'd say about the article though - I think we can't discount that some people will play MMOGs in the ways described, and maybe for the reasons described. By and large, people behave according to pretty consistent patterns and those paterns may be pretty similar in game to the way they feel in rl. But also, there could have been more consideration of the effect of role playing and the different things allowed by different games. Pirates are such a large and important part of EVE - it just wouldn't be as fun a game without them - and we can't really escape the fact that often piracy and griefing travel pretty close together. But EVE's pvp oriented gameplay makes it much easier for players to take the fight back to the griefers rather than having to rely on artificial controls imposed by the game's developers. I guess, where the article suggests the parental advice approach of 'just ignore them and they'll go away', EVE promotes the other side of parental advice 'get back out there and hit him back'. Be Free Freelancing Corp
Archbishop	Posted - 2004.12.24 16:42:00 - [51] Quote: "How can you "greef" in simms?" I played TSO for about two months and made some friends there. All it is is a glorified chatroom though. As for "griefers" there you can do stuff like go into someones house and leave food plates everywhere (drawing flies), trash stuff, harrass people into leaving (other visitors), or you can not use the toilet and have "accidents" all over anothers property. All in all its pretty lowlife stuff and very pathetic considering they're doing it for cheap thrills and to **** people off. These people are losers in RL in my view. I mean who would do that but a loser? What is a griefer? Well thats a fine line. My view has always been its a person who completely disregards the "experience" someone else gets out of gaming so they can get their own little thrill. Like someone hanging in 1.0 space killing newbies (we've had that here). Like people exploiting modules and camping gates after beta (we've had that here). Do I think everyone who kills people is a griefer? Nope. Pirate corps that operate in 0.0 space are doing their own thing and the danger is clear. Now if that same small pirate corp wants to declare war on a whole alliance so they can run around Empire ganking everyone in sight I'd call them griefers. I do believe a persons underlying "character" will show thru even in a game. I look at myself for example. I roleplay a fanatical conservative religious hardliner. Yet in real life I'm a very moderate-liberal type. Yet some things in my chracter remain. I won't go out of my way to make someone miserable. I won't go out of my way to harrass someone who makes a complaint. I won't go out of my way to ruin someone elses gameplay just so I get a cheap thrill. That is my underlying character. I do care about people. Sure I can be an Amarrian hardliner, a pirate or a carebear in Eve, but some parts of your " real character" remain with you. You can roleplay anything you want but its alot easier to be a jerk in a game if your a jerk in real life. As we've seen there are alot of characters in Eve. Some apparently have less character and less class. Archbishop VISIT THE PIE HOMEPAGE & FORUMS PIE INFORMATION CENTER
Archbishop	Posted - 2004.12.24 16:42:00 - [52] Quote: "How can you "greef" in simms?" I played TSO for about two months and made some friends there. All it is is a glorified chatroom though. As for "griefers" there you can do stuff like go into someones house and leave food plates everywhere (drawing flies), trash stuff, harrass people into leaving (other visitors), or you can not use the toilet and have "accidents" all over anothers property. All in all its pretty lowlife stuff and very pathetic considering they're doing it for cheap thrills and to **** people off. These people are losers in RL in my view. I mean who would do that but a loser? What is a griefer? Well thats a fine line. My view has always been its a person who completely disregards the "experience" someone else gets out of gaming so they can get their own little thrill. Like someone hanging in 1.0 space killing newbies (we've had that here). Like people exploiting modules and camping gates after beta (we've had that here). Do I think everyone who kills people is a griefer? Nope. Pirate corps that operate in 0.0 space are doing their own thing and the danger is clear. Now if that same small pirate corp wants to declare war on a whole alliance so they can run around Empire ganking everyone in sight I'd call them griefers. I do believe a persons underlying "character" will show thru even in a game. I look at myself for example. I roleplay a fanatical conservative religious hardliner. Yet in real life I'm a very moderate-liberal type. Yet some things in my chracter remain. I won't go out of my way to make someone miserable. I won't go out of my way to harrass someone who makes a complaint. I won't go out of my way to ruin someone elses gameplay just so I get a cheap thrill. That is my underlying character. I do care about people. Sure I can be an Amarrian hardliner, a pirate or a carebear in Eve, but some parts of your " real character" remain with you. You can roleplay anything you want but its alot easier to be a jerk in a game if your a jerk in real life. As we've seen there are alot of characters in Eve. Some apparently have less character and less class. Archbishop VISIT THE PIE HOMEPAGE & FORUMS PIE INFORMATION CENTER
Rift Scorn	Posted - 2004.12.24 16:42:00 - [53] Originally by: Odet Edited by: Odet on 24/12/2004 06:55:34 must....kill...must....kill... must....kill...must....kill... must....kill...must....kill... must....kill...must....kill... must....kill...must....kill... must....kill...must....kill... must....kill...must....kill... must....kill...must....kill... must....kill...must....kill... must....kill...must....kill... must....kill...must....kill... must....kill...must....kill... must....kill...must....kill...must....kill.... roffle
Rift Scorn	Posted - 2004.12.24 16:42:00 - [54] Originally by: Odet Edited by: Odet on 24/12/2004 06:55:34 must....kill...must....kill... must....kill...must....kill... must....kill...must....kill... must....kill...must....kill... must....kill...must....kill... must....kill...must....kill... must....kill...must....kill... must....kill...must....kill... must....kill...must....kill... must....kill...must....kill... must....kill...must....kill... must....kill...must....kill... must....kill...must....kill...must....kill.... roffle
Siddy	Posted - 2004.12.24 16:46:00 - [55] Originally by: Archbishop Quote: "How can you "greef" in simms?" I played TSO for about two months and made some friends there. All it is is a glorified chatroom though. As for "griefers" there you can do stuff like go into someones house and leave food plates everywhere (drawing flies), trash stuff, harrass people into leaving (other visitors), or you can not use the toilet and have "accidents" all over anothers property. All in all its pretty lowlife stuff and very pathetic considering they're doing it for cheap thrills and to **** people off. These people are losers in RL in my view. I mean who would do that but a loser? What is a griefer? Well thats a fine line. My view has always been its a person who completely disregards the "experience" someone else gets out of gaming so they can get their own little thrill. Like someone hanging in 1.0 space killing newbies (we've had that here). Like people exploiting modules and camping gates after beta (we've had that here). Do I think everyone who kills people is a griefer? Nope. Pirate corps that operate in 0.0 space are doing their own thing and the danger is clear. Now if that same small pirate corp wants to declare war on a whole alliance so they can run around Empire ganking everyone in sight I'd call them griefers. I do believe a persons underlying "character" will show thru even in a game. I look at myself for example. I roleplay a fanatical conservative religious hardliner. Yet in real life I'm a very moderate-liberal type. Yet some things in my chracter remain. I won't go out of my way to make someone miserable. I won't go out of my way to harrass someone who makes a complaint. I won't go out of my way to ruin someone elses gameplay just so I get a cheap thrill. That is my underlying character. I do care about people. Sure I can be an Amarrian hardliner, a pirate or a carebear in Eve, but some parts of your " real character" remain with you. You can roleplay anything you want but its alot easier to be a jerk in a game if your a jerk in real life. As we've seen there are alot of characters in Eve. Some apparently have less character and less class. Archbishop see, thats the reason Sims need PVP Whent the houhold keeper got nice 9mm, nothing of this whuld happen -------------------------------------------
Siddy	Posted - 2004.12.24 16:46:00 - [56] Originally by: Archbishop Quote: "How can you "greef" in simms?" I played TSO for about two months and made some friends there. All it is is a glorified chatroom though. As for "griefers" there you can do stuff like go into someones house and leave food plates everywhere (drawing flies), trash stuff, harrass people into leaving (other visitors), or you can not use the toilet and have "accidents" all over anothers property. All in all its pretty lowlife stuff and very pathetic considering they're doing it for cheap thrills and to **** people off. These people are losers in RL in my view. I mean who would do that but a loser? What is a griefer? Well thats a fine line. My view has always been its a person who completely disregards the "experience" someone else gets out of gaming so they can get their own little thrill. Like someone hanging in 1.0 space killing newbies (we've had that here). Like people exploiting modules and camping gates after beta (we've had that here). Do I think everyone who kills people is a griefer? Nope. Pirate corps that operate in 0.0 space are doing their own thing and the danger is clear. Now if that same small pirate corp wants to declare war on a whole alliance so they can run around Empire ganking everyone in sight I'd call them griefers. I do believe a persons underlying "character" will show thru even in a game. I look at myself for example. I roleplay a fanatical conservative religious hardliner. Yet in real life I'm a very moderate-liberal type. Yet some things in my chracter remain. I won't go out of my way to make someone miserable. I won't go out of my way to harrass someone who makes a complaint. I won't go out of my way to ruin someone elses gameplay just so I get a cheap thrill. That is my underlying character. I do care about people. Sure I can be an Amarrian hardliner, a pirate or a carebear in Eve, but some parts of your " real character" remain with you. You can roleplay anything you want but its alot easier to be a jerk in a game if your a jerk in real life. As we've seen there are alot of characters in Eve. Some apparently have less character and less class. Archbishop see, thats the reason Sims need PVP Whent the houhold keeper got nice 9mm, nothing of this whuld happen -------------------------------------------
Archbishop	Posted - 2004.12.24 16:50:00 - [57] Quote: FROM THE ARTICLE"Evangeline said she liked to torture new players ("newbies") by luring them into a house specifically designed to trap and torture them. "Newbies are so disgusting...they're the bane of my Sim life," she said. "I'll cage (you) like an animal and have people laugh at (you)." Ganging up on newbies is typical griefer behavior in games with large multiplayer universes, such as "Sims Online" or "EverQuest." In games such as "EverQuest" that include player-vs.-player combat, griefers typically lure new players into hidden areas, then kill them and loot their corpses for valuable in-game goods. One of the most common griefer tactics is to camp out at "spawn spots"--locations where characters enter the game world after dying or logging off--and attack arriving players the second they materialize. " You see this is just pathetic. Killing newbies who are just starting. I recall a "certain" pirate who sat outside Yulai for a couple hours one day podding newbies undocking in their first ships. These were brand new players who had just bought the game and were trying it out. The GM's chased him off..... they should've banned him. How many of those new players never played again? What kind of pathetic person would do something like that? Newbies are the "future" of any game (more customers = more revenue). Given so many in Eve love PvP you'd think this "pirate" could've found some other people who love PvP to fight instead of slaughtering brand new players. This is griefing. This is pathetic. Honestly only a LOSER in RL would do something like that. I mean what kind of underlying character would a person have to have to derive enjoyment out of this? It's almost like the people who torture animals. I mean its just pathetic. So yes real life character does come thru in a game. I see "good pirates" who are decent people playing a role. These "griefers" are NOT those people. They are far worse. I'd like to see a "Griefer registry" for online game companies. I'd like to see MMPORPG's register the IP's and other info of certified "griefers" who have been banned from their games. I'd like to see other game companies refuse them service. You can bet if they're griefing in one game they're doing it in all of them. Oh and I do disagree with the article statement that griefers are 25% of the games population. I'm not talking about all "pirates" in Eve or anything like that. I'm talking about that 2-3% that are so out of control they totally ruin the gaming of everyone they come in contact with. You all know the type. Archbishop VISIT THE PIE HOMEPAGE & FORUMS PIE INFORMATION CENTER
Archbishop	Posted - 2004.12.24 16:50:00 - [58] Quote: FROM THE ARTICLE"Evangeline said she liked to torture new players ("newbies") by luring them into a house specifically designed to trap and torture them. "Newbies are so disgusting...they're the bane of my Sim life," she said. "I'll cage (you) like an animal and have people laugh at (you)." Ganging up on newbies is typical griefer behavior in games with large multiplayer universes, such as "Sims Online" or "EverQuest." In games such as "EverQuest" that include player-vs.-player combat, griefers typically lure new players into hidden areas, then kill them and loot their corpses for valuable in-game goods. One of the most common griefer tactics is to camp out at "spawn spots"--locations where characters enter the game world after dying or logging off--and attack arriving players the second they materialize. " You see this is just pathetic. Killing newbies who are just starting. I recall a "certain" pirate who sat outside Yulai for a couple hours one day podding newbies undocking in their first ships. These were brand new players who had just bought the game and were trying it out. The GM's chased him off..... they should've banned him. How many of those new players never played again? What kind of pathetic person would do something like that? Newbies are the "future" of any game (more customers = more revenue). Given so many in Eve love PvP you'd think this "pirate" could've found some other people who love PvP to fight instead of slaughtering brand new players. This is griefing. This is pathetic. Honestly only a LOSER in RL would do something like that. I mean what kind of underlying character would a person have to have to derive enjoyment out of this? It's almost like the people who torture animals. I mean its just pathetic. So yes real life character does come thru in a game. I see "good pirates" who are decent people playing a role. These "griefers" are NOT those people. They are far worse. I'd like to see a "Griefer registry" for online game companies. I'd like to see MMPORPG's register the IP's and other info of certified "griefers" who have been banned from their games. I'd like to see other game companies refuse them service. You can bet if they're griefing in one game they're doing it in all of them. Oh and I do disagree with the article statement that griefers are 25% of the games population. I'm not talking about all "pirates" in Eve or anything like that. I'm talking about that 2-3% that are so out of control they totally ruin the gaming of everyone they come in contact with. You all know the type. Archbishop VISIT THE PIE HOMEPAGE & FORUMS PIE INFORMATION CENTER
Archbishop	Posted - 2004.12.24 16:51:00 - [59] Quote: "see, thats the reason Sims need PVP Whent the houhold keeper got nice 9mm, nothing of this whuld happen " HAHA!!!! Good one Siddy. They could introduce a new TSO career. "The Armed Robber". Archbishop VISIT THE PIE HOMEPAGE & FORUMS PIE INFORMATION CENTER
Archbishop	Posted - 2004.12.24 16:51:00 - [60] Quote: "see, thats the reason Sims need PVP Whent the houhold keeper got nice 9mm, nothing of this whuld happen " HAHA!!!! Good one Siddy. They could introduce a new TSO career. "The Armed Robber". Archbishop VISIT THE PIE HOMEPAGE & FORUMS PIE INFORMATION CENTER

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