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Cebraio
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Posted - 2010.08.19 10:26:00 -
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Recently an old and popular topic came up again: How to protect cargo from the eyes of others.
It annoyed me a bit, that you get at least 3 different answers to that question. It's said that ...
- password protected containers help,
- password protected audit log containers help,
- contract boxes help.
Some of you might know the 4th and true answer already (tl;dr): Nothing helps!
To see it with my own eyes, I set up a little situation where my alt wants to smuggle alcohol, tobacco and firearms - to give ATF something to care about.
- Alcohol went into a contract box
- Tobacco into an audit log container (password protected)
- Firearms into a GSC (password protected)
Here is what happened:
Some other facts I found out, while trying this
- Wares that are illegal in any region are not allowed in courier contracts
- In fact those wares don't seem to be allowed in any kind of contract (I tried item exchange)
- Audit Log Containers can be password protected and when another character gets his fingers on them, he needs the password to perform the configured actions
- but he can use the "Retrieve Password" function to get the password send by mail (which makes a password public that you might use on other objects as well)
- he can simply reconfigure the container, so it does not require the password for any actions any more
- he can not repackage the container for some weeks, if it has logged actions
- Giant Secure Containers can be password protected
- but the password will only be used when they are anchored in space
- the password is not needed to take items from it, when it is in station
- the container can be repackaged to get rid of the password
Hope this clears it up for some people and reduces the rumours.
Oh, and I didn't post it in C&P because those guys probably know anyway. 
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Cebraio
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Posted - 2010.08.19 10:32:00 -
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 Originally by: Minchurra
Originally by: Cebraio
Some of you might know the 4th and true answer already (tl;dr): Nothing helps!
You may also wish to read up on the 5th and even truer answer: Orca corp hanger
Yeah, forgot that, but was more thinking about the different containers. Thanx, nevertheless.
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Cebraio
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Posted - 2010.08.19 10:48:00 -
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Originally by: Ifly Uwalk
You wanna try this and post your results here:
Put the Small Arms into the GSC; now contract the GSC. Now run the cargo scanner on the contract package.
Ifly
Nice one!
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Cebraio
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Posted - 2010.08.19 11:53:00 -
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Main post updated with new insights.
Note a few things guys:
- when I did that "wares in a GSC in a contract" thing I did not use illegal wares, because I had put them back on the market already. It was just alcohol in there. Now I tried again with small arms and it told me I cannot put illegal wares into a contract (although they where in a GSC). So no hiding from customs this way.
- Empty GSCs do not show up on scan! So if a GSC shows up, something must be hidden inside a contract!
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Cebraio
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Posted - 2010.08.19 13:50:00 -
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Originally by: Atticus Fynch
You can also set it up to need a password to be able to reconfigure it. I dont know if that helps the security any.
True, I overlooked that. But I just tried and you can also get the configuration password send by mail, if it is in your hangar.
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Cebraio
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Posted - 2010.08.19 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: Ifly Uwalk
Originally by: Joe Skellington
What if you put useless **** in with the courier package, will it just show the junk and not the package inside the container?
It's like this: the cargo scanner scans 2 layers deep. First layer is the cargo hold (duh), second layer is any container inside that cargo hold. A courier package is one container. So if you courier (in one contract) 1 GSC with stuff in it, plus 2 Afterburner Is, the scan will show 1 GSC and 2 AB Is.
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This. To be on the safe side, I just tested it.
A mindful ganker will of course still notice that something is odd there, because a GSC shows up on scan - while otherwise it would not.
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Cebraio
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Posted - 2010.08.19 17:21:00 -
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Edited by: Cebraio on 19/08/2010 17:21:37
Originally by: ForceM
Originally by: Cebraio
Edit: And here is how you can do it:
As written by Ifly Uwalk and Marko Riva, you can put the wares into a GSC and put the GSC into a contract.
If the ship with the contract is scanned, all one would see is this:
http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/1008/WaresInGSCInContract.jpg
Ok so what if you put some extra random worthless gear next to the GSC (not in it) and put that with the GSC in a contract?
It would show the GSC + the gear ... giving the idea its just a regular GSC that is actually filled :)
That's what Ifly explained and I confirmed. It will only give the idea of a filled container to the guys that don't know that a used container would not show up at all.
(Still need to test the thing with the unassembled cans.)
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Cebraio
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Posted - 2010.08.19 18:16:00 -
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Originally by: Eleventh Bride
Interesting, would an unassembled GSC show up? Or a smaller secure container that is unassembled inside a GSC?
Alright, tested and I can say 2 things:
- Containers cannot be placed inside containers, not even if they're unassembled.
- Unassembled containers also don't show up on scan.
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Cebraio
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Posted - 2010.08.20 09:16:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
So, what would a scanner think if I double wrap <valuable, small stuff> and put something worthless and < GSC max capacity out of the GSC? That the scanner sees what apparenly looks like a filled GSC but the filler "looks like" being the worthless item?
As stated before, GSCs usually don't appear on the scanner at all. Be they empty, unassembled or filled, they just don't show. Only wrapped GSCs show up.
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Cebraio
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Posted - 2010.08.20 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: Atticus Fynch
Do this: ...
For the sake of completeness I also tried that. Made a courier contract and wrapped it into another courier contract, then scanned it. Since the scan looks different from the wrapped GSC scan, I also uploaded the image and put it into the main post.
I also added these notes:- You can not put any containers into other containers. Not even repacked ones.
- You can put a GSC into a contract, but you can not put that contract into a second contract.
- You can put a contract (of loose items) into a second contract, but you can not put that contract into a third one.
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