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EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe
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Posted - 2012.07.26 14:42:00 -
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CCP Soundwave wrote:
Yeah my point is that I don't think they should be profitable to gank. I think it should be possible, but not necessarily profitable (profitable might be the wrong word, but more that the expenses should be higher for the attacker than the defender).
That's not a good metric to balance things against at all. Nobody's complaining that miners can defend themselves. What people are complaining about is you're doing it for them, by default. The hulk is getting a flat EHP buff for all fits. That's what people are annoyed about, the dumbing down of the game. I -and most people - would have no problem at all if you increased the ability of miner pilots to fit a tank if that's what they choose to do. But that's not what was done.
It's also immensely frustrating that highsec moneymaking gets buff after buff, while 0.0, which has needed better sources of individual moneymaking for the better part of a decade, gets nothing. And it's not like the problem has gone unseen: everyone admits 0.0 is broken but our fixes get pushed off to the infamous "Soon(TM)". A few miners, who can't fit their ships, get ganked and what happens? An entire line of ships is rapidly redesigned to eliminate all real risk.
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EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.26 14:48:00 -
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Every form of suicide ganking has repeatedly been nerfed. It's nice that you claim it's not your goal to remove it. However, your stated goals are essentially to make it a once in a blue moon action that is systematically nerfed anytime it happens more often than that (because then its clearly not costing the attacker enough).
It's clear you respond to highsec whining, which will always be there until you remove risk from highsec. You claim you won't do that: but you'll clearly keep going to be moving closer and closer and closer until there's no practical risk, just theoretical risk |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.26 14:50:00 -
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CCP Soundwave wrote:
Yeah my point is that I don't think they should be profitable to gank. I think it should be possible, but not necessarily profitable (profitable might be the wrong word, but more that the expenses should be higher for the attacker than the defender).
To put it in simple terms: the cost of your ship isn't a tank. EVE isn't supposed to be a game where more expensive things can't be killed by less expensive things. If a battleship dies to a rifter, we do not complain the cost to the attacker was lower than the cost to the defender. |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.26 14:53:00 -
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Adrenalinemax wrote:what is wrong with making a ganker spend 350mil to gank a ship costing 290mil?
Did you like it better when a 10mil ship could gank a ship that cost 290mil? ( I bet you did) C'mon, lemme see those tears, I can tell you are welling up
the cost of your ship isn't part of your tank |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.26 14:58:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:
that's not really the issue that a small ship can kill a big ship. that's fine. a small ship killing a bigger ship so quickly is the issue, to be honest.
It's highsec: you simply must kill something within a specific amount of time.
It's absolutely trivial to tank a hulk to resist a catalyst, and easy to resist two. I don't have an issue with them increasing the hulk's tank when the hulk has made a tradeoff for extra tank. I have a problem with increasing the tank of a 4x civilian shield booster hulk. |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe
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Posted - 2012.07.26 14:59:00 -
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I'm also relatively annoyed at how low the tradeoff for switching to a skiff from a hulk is in terms of yield but that's another issue. |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.26 15:03:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:
if you're time limited; bring bigger guns.
My point is the argument "it kills it too quickly" is nonsensical. It's highsec: any kill must happen fast or it doesn't happen, so you can't argue it 'died too fast'. You can only argue it shouldn't have died. |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe
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Posted - 2012.07.26 15:24:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:a ship destroying another ship who's modules are worth more than the ganker's ship in a matter of seconds is perfectly balanced?
ccp just stated they don't want you suicide ganking for profit, deal with it.
a ship destroying another ship that could have easily fit to survive (with little to no tradeoffs), that's balanced yes |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.26 20:20:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:more like "a ship that still mines better than literally anything else in the game"
vv's not great with numbers
could you make this point in voodoo marks on a graph? |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.26 21:17:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Glad to see Tech went where I suggested it'd do, while you were cleaning your butt with them, eh?
im sorry did you just take credit for tech diving when a devblog saying "we are nerfing tech" as evidence your voodoo graphtracing works?
i could not come up with a better example that proves how dumb you are if i tried |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.26 21:19:00 -
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i mean let's make it clear how much you just proved your system is nonsense
you make a prediction based on what we will charitably call interpreting the market graph
a change happens that changes the price of tech in a way that cannot be linked to the market graph in any way
you posit this proves your market graph interpretation was correct |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.26 21:21:00 -
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i'm not sure if you're intelligent enough to grasp what i'm saying even boiled down that far:
since there is literally no way your "system" could have actually predicted the result, yet you took credit anyway, it is clear beyond a shadow of a doubt your system is nonsense and you simply take credit whenever one of your coinflips happens to be correct, while burying the incorrect predictions |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.26 21:23:00 -
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yes it does |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.26 21:26:00 -
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Herr Wilkus wrote:
No, because there are many ways to scan ships without anyone knowing they've been scanned.
Good gankers will rarely let you know anything beyond that they are in local.
vv is literally The Dumbest Pubbie he's not going to grasp what you're saying
oh well, we'll come up with some other final solution to the highsec mining problem |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.26 21:30:00 -
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"i was right despite being wrong in every way" |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.26 21:30:00 -
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"if you redefine success enough times, you eventually get to me" |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.26 21:35:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Exotic implants check
you mean implants that can very easily be bought in jita and are being added to the market and cost about 20m?
laffo |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.26 21:36:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Link one incorrect prediction. Which happen of course, since nobody is infallible.
you claimed you predicted current tech prices
q.e.d. |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.26 21:40:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:I warned you that if you did not deal with your own cartel the prices would tank to 130k.
They did. Period. They would do with or without CCP adding alchemy too. All the high IQ voodoo you needed to use was to draw a straight diagonal line across the in game price chart.
"no really guys i was proven right when an external event caused the change i predicted"
tech was rising right before the nerf was announced. i know this, because buys had formed a solid wall that allowed us to dump massive amounts of tech right down to the new equilibrium price
also lawling at you claiming "if you did not deal with your own cartel the prices would tank to 130k" is a prediction
"if it goes up i was right because of a, if it goes down i was right because of b BEHOLD MY UNFALSIFIABLE PREDICTION" |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.26 21:47:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:and as for "hurr that tengu could be making isk itself" well perhaps you should probably realize that that same tengu can boost 1 or 250 mining ships all the same Sorry hi sec has no blob tards bringing more than 10 ships and that's speaking of quite large hi sec mining fleets already.
some highsec players - not you, of course - can make friends |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.26 21:47:00 -
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nerf friends |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.26 21:48:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Your solid wall is called "market extension" and is a precursor to a deep dive.
i see when the prediction is about things that can never be checked suddenly the hedging disappears |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.26 21:49:00 -
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if tech doesn't start going up, it will go down
or stay the same, one of the two |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.26 21:50:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:seriously your only retort to "hey look, a mackinaw/hulk that can fit a tank" is "well it's inconvenient and it reduces my ~isk/hr~ so CCP should fix it so that I don't have to think for myself" Admit the only reason you care is this will lessen the demand for tech
we trolled a lot about hulkageddon fattening our pockets, but it wasn't true
hulks didn't sell any better during hulkageddon than before |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.26 21:55:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:EvilweaselSA wrote:MeBiatch wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:seriously your only retort to "hey look, a mackinaw/hulk that can fit a tank" is "well it's inconvenient and it reduces my ~isk/hr~ so CCP should fix it so that I don't have to think for myself" Admit the only reason you care is this will lessen the demand for tech we trolled a lot about hulkageddon fattening our pockets, but it wasn't true hulks didn't sell any better during hulkageddon than before Cam I see the numbers?
I didn't think to save them since I saw no reason to make that info public but some of the eve market sites might have them
basically, volume for hulks was flat before/after hulkageddon started: you should see an increase if we were actually driving increased hulk demand |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.26 22:18:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:And here is the same fitting without all the fluff nobody bar 1% of the playerbase will ever care to bring on the field: Link
"miners don't use orcas"
a thing vv, noted expert on miners, believes |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.27 14:22:00 -
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Manar Detri wrote:
You brought some 80 dreads, they had some 40 titans (thats some 2,8 trillion) + 20 or more supercarriers.
You didn't bring the required 500 dreads (only 1,5trillion about), why are you whining ? Ofcourse you lose if you don't bring enough firepower, do the maths, tidi was already here.
dear worthless npc alt
cynoing in 500 dreads would cause bumps of absolutely massive proportions. The vast majority of your dps would be rendered useless as they skated away, unable to track and winding up out of range. meanwhile, your dps is getting ground down rapidly as you try to get your ships to a stop so they can fire
also the node is dialated to hell and back at this point, so the supercap fleet can call in anti-dictor reinforcements easily, pop dictors, and cyno anything in danger out
so end of the day you lose scads of dreadnaughts that cannot be rapidly replaced (because nobody really uses the things now so you can't just buy them off the market), for very little gain |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.27 14:23:00 -
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you see it turns out that in your career in empire you didn't learn how to use caps |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.27 18:58:00 -
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Mining barge stats appear to be altered again on SISI. |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.30 18:46:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:
So, I have to wardec my alt to test it... I'm not CEO so I can't do that.
wrong |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.30 18:58:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:no you do not, you'd have to be reported by the guy you podded
and well i don't think your alt is suddenly going to develop an independent consciousness and report you for podding outside of the designated systems It will show on logs.
it's only against the rules to pod an unwilling person
they must petition complaining about it |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.30 19:21:00 -
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you can easily kill a catalyst before it kills the target |
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