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MIrple
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Posted - 2012.07.27 18:31:00 -
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If the Hulk comes out with higher EHP then before the patch you should be happy. I have read the entire 60+ pages and I am sorry to say that I will never get that part of my life back. Yes they need a little boost with number but now just because you wanted max yeild max tank does not mean CCP should pander to you to have both. There have been many EFT fits posted on here and everyone of them has been shot down with well I don't like it. It proves me wrong. You will need to fit some tank on you ship a DCU and a MLU is a fair balance between yield and tank. The only place I see that that Hulk could use some love is with PG 10 more would be enough to make a great many of the past 60 pages irrelevant. Just my opinion. I also think that a solo Cat should not be able to take a Hulk 2 maybe its team work after all. Flame away |
MIrple
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Posted - 2012.07.27 19:13:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Dave stark wrote:and then it's you mine or you tank I find it unsurprising that you're unaware that you can actually mine AND tank just fine the ways things are now. and this is where we go around in circles but i'll answer it; the point is you HAVE to give up your mining bonuses to fit a tank on your mining ship. your combat ships don't have to give up their damage mods; they can give up the utility mods instead.
Please tell me how a Gal or Amarr ship doesn't give up Damage Slots for tank? |
MIrple
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Posted - 2012.07.27 19:37:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:baltec1 wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:baltec1 wrote:Because at the moment you do make a profit if they dont fit a tank. 10 mil for tank fit with T2 suitcase for Charon. Brick tanked Hulk with SiSi stats has 22k EHP. Cargoholds are smaller than they were before. And Mack gets only 5% per level bonus to ore bay. They hulk on sisi gets a better tank than on live and I have a hulk fit for 33k. Less lies please. This fit on SiSi has 22k EHP [Hulk, Hulk, tank] Micro Auxiliary Power Core II Damage Control II Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Put a meta EM Hardener on there and see what it changes to? |
MIrple
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Posted - 2012.07.27 20:12:00 -
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[Hulk, Tank]
Mining Laser Upgrade II Damage Control II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Domination EM Ward Amplifier Survey Scanner II
Modulated Strip Miner II Modulated Strip Miner II Modulated Strip Miner II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
this is on normal sever one mod is a 40 mill but on a 300 mill ship it justify it. You also need a CA-2 implant 23.8k EHP 26.1k heated
I would think after the patch it will be better with the HP buff
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MIrple
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Posted - 2012.07.27 20:17:00 -
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MIrple wrote:[Hulk, Tank]
Mining Laser Upgrade II Damage Control II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Domination EM Ward Amplifier Survey Scanner II
Modulated Strip Miner II Modulated Strip Miner II Modulated Strip Miner II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
this is on normal sever one mod is a 40 mill but on a 300 mill ship it justify it. You also need a CA-2 implant 23.8k EHP 26.1k heated
I would think after the patch it will be better with the HP buff
[Hulk, Tank]
Mining Laser Upgrade II Damage Control II
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I Adaptive Invulnerability Field II EM Ward Amplifier II Survey Scanner II
Modulated Strip Miner II Modulated Strip Miner II Modulated Strip Miner II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Genolution Core Augmentation CA-2
EHP 23.1 OH 25.1
how is this not a fair trade off? |
MIrple
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Posted - 2012.07.27 20:29:00 -
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Danny Diamonds wrote:Need waders for the **** piling up from pointless "Max tank" Hulk fits.
Need a snorkel to breathe with all the ganker tears.
Waders must be low slots...too bad my lows are all full of tank fittings. Snorkel is a high slot but it seems I only have one or two in most mining vessels.
The only PVP ships that max tank fit are bait...so why should miners be expected to give up Yield for max tank? This is akin to removing all damage mods on PVP or PVE ships..which is rarely ever done. Some slots used for tank makes sense surely, but the extreme bullshit suggested here is pathetic.
So this fit here doesnt have a MLU in it?
[Hulk, Tank]
Mining Laser Upgrade II Damage Control II
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I Adaptive Invulnerability Field II EM Ward Amplifier II Survey Scanner II
Modulated Strip Miner II Modulated Strip Miner II Modulated Strip Miner II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Genolution Core Augmentation CA-2
Will survive 3 cats in a .5 system
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MIrple
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Posted - 2012.08.02 21:06:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:The Skiff can put up some 80k EHP with MLUs. Assuming no fleet boost and overheating. No, it can't with T1 shield resists profile.
Show some proof. You come onto these forums and post but never bask them up. You were already proved wrong in a different forum when you said that the Hulk had a 25% reduction in EHP. |
MIrple
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Posted - 2012.08.02 21:44:00 -
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Hypercake Mix wrote:Chainsaw Plankton wrote:okay okay tbh I don't really have much pity for people that don't train any core skills and fit 2 expanders and 2 cargo optimizers. A new player with a set interest in mining approaches your mining corp. Do you tell him that he needs to make a choice between being useless or being a liability for a month? I know it's an extreme case, but it sucks when you can't convince people to keep playing EVE for these reasons.
they can fly a covetor until there secondary skills are up to par. There are always other options for players. Hulk and Exumers are the end of the road mining ships. You are not supposed to fly them in a few weeks |
MIrple
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Posted - 2012.08.03 13:45:00 -
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rodyas wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:rodyas wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:
High Sec has a high presence of security forces. High Security. They work just like the Police in the real world, only unimaginably faster and more efficiently. That is to say, they punish criminals by blowing up their ship, and there's no way to escape that punishment. In addition, CONCORD keeps a list of all laws broken, so transgressors end up Outlaw, subject to summary execution by their fellow capsuleers.
That is the loophole the other poster was talking about. Gankers can bypass the punishment, with suck low isk ships in a gank, and still make money. They did try to reduce that loophole with no insurance payout. But that didn't help out enough yet. Pipa is just too angry as a ganker or pvper, to let us miners mine in peace. The only reason we can make money is because Miners are complicit in their own demise. Just like the only reason Hauler gankers can make money is that Hauler pilots are complicit in their own demise. Every single miner that I've ganked has sat there like a log while I maneuver my ship into the perfect position to open up. If you tank your Hulk, you cannot be ganked profitably in HS. In the higher sec bands, enough tank to be radically unprofitable fits in the mids/rigs. If you mine aligned and pay even the slightest attention to the overview, you cannot ever be ganked. Everyone else in EVE has to look at their screen on occasion to be effective. Why should miners be different? Well yeah, CCP should add rear view mirrors, so we can watch you better. Also the tank stuff is alright, just that you don't always get ganked while you mine, so it feels sort of dumb, to always have a tank, if you never have to use it. I almost don't mind that you gank miners, just was hoping to mine myself, so its a bit annoying. I know you guys have your own personal vendetta, but it just spills over into my game time.
Here is a real world example of what you just said. Every time you get into a car you put your seat belt on you never really need to wear it but that one time you get into an accident your glad as hell you had it on. |
MIrple
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Posted - 2012.08.28 17:27:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Andski wrote:Kitanga wrote:suggestion: with the buff to reapers, a large gang of reapers can gank a hulk in highsec.... counter-point: a large gang of anything can gank anything anywhere Maybe now, but I'm sure they can do something about that, given enough time ... Can't Suicide Gank a Titan, SuperCarrier, or Rorqual.
Well last time a checked the ships listed above cant make it into Hisec so you would be correct but I am sure you knew that. |
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MIrple
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Posted - 2012.09.07 20:54:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:No, you don't deserve anything. You have enough CPU to fit a decent tank along with mining lasers. Why do you want more?
Pretty sure its so he can fit 3MLU's and a Ice rig. Greedy pigs are greedy pigs |
MIrple
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Posted - 2012.09.07 21:00:00 -
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Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:No, you don't deserve anything. You have enough CPU to fit a decent tank along with mining lasers. Why do you want more? I don't want more...unless they nerf the hitpoints. If it stays the way it is now, I'm fine the way it is...but if it gets nerfed...we deserve more cpu. It deserves more than a "decent" tank...you can't train any higher mining ships than exhumers. Would be like me complaining that Titans have too much ehp and do to much dps. Why should they get both huge tanks and high dps? Shouldn't that have to pick? No..they shouldn't because thats what they are designed for...just like exhumers are the best line of ships for miners..they should at least feel like they are. So I think they should be left alone until CCP designs a new line of higher end mining ships.
And here is where you show you don't know anything about the game. The Titan can either do High DPS or have a Huge Tank it can not do both at the same time. |
MIrple
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Posted - 2012.09.07 21:13:00 -
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The Exhumers should follow this in my opinion we will call it Hi/Low/Low
Skiff Hi tank Low cargo Low Yield
Mak Hi Cargo Low tank Low Yield
Hulk Hi Yield Low tank Low Cargo
What we have atm is
Hulk Hi low low Mak Med Med Hi Skif Hi Med Med
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