nor suicide gankers.

Suicide gankers were overpowered because of sloppy game mechanics, such as -10 pods being allowed into high sec.

While entertaining, I could care less about hi-sec. I go to hi-sec every six months to pick up skill books and then I'm gone. If you really want to kill miners, do it in 0.0......the fittings are much more expensive down there. Not to mention the abundance of Orcas and Rorquals. And you might get to tangle REAL ships that fight back for a change.

Currently, on SISI, a completely untanked hulk has 12k EHP. Considering the vast majority will more then likely still fit max yield/no tank, I would say they will still be gankable. I'm not a professional ganker though, so I don't know.

Edit - Sorry, I had low-grade slaves plugged in when I got that number, so it would actually less EHP.

Wait, the dev blog about this has been up for weeks...

Why has the complaining only started now ?

YAWNS politely.

Yeah my point is that I don't think they should be profitable to gank. I think it should be possible, but not necessarily profitable (profitable might be the wrong word, but more that the expenses should be higher for the attacker than the defender).

As a Ice miner I welcome the update, as finally CCP recognizes you should have some ability to not instantly die the minute anything shoots you.

All I see is miles upon miles of butthurt, with no end in sight.

the modules dropped from an exhumer exceeds the cost of the ship destroying it. is that the same with a freighter?

no because you're intending to go in to a combat situation, tanks are for combat. mining ships are not a combat ship.

no, you fit your ship to do missions as efficiently as possible. that's the same thing as fitting to mine as efficiently as possible.

i have no problem with hulkaggedon, if you want to gank me i think you're perfectly entitled to do so; provided you actually have to put some effort in to it and not just use ships costing less than the contents of my jetcan. the tears from the gankers about this buff is the fact that they're no longer able to do it in throwaway ships and have to put some kind of investment in to ******* up some one's day. hard life isn't it?

yeah because a destroyer destroying a t2 ship worth close to 300m in a matter of seconds is perfectly balanced? ok.

a ship destroying another ship who's modules are worth more than the ganker's ship in a matter of seconds is perfectly balanced?

ccp just stated they don't want you suicide ganking for profit, deal with it.

neither. the profitability of suicide ganking in this context has nothing to do with cargo value, stop thinking it does.

really? because ganking a 17k cargo space hulk for it's cargo means using a ship worth less than about 2-3m even a cheap destroyer would struggle to find profit in the dropped cargo. unless of course there was a source of income from that suicide gank other than the cargo....

what does people's reasons for ganking have to do with it's profitability? are you really that dumb?

A) Can you provide ANY other case where a destroyer can suicide gank a ship of similar value besides a hulk?

You are trying very hard to make this a bigger issue than it really is.

Nobody has a monopoly on building Hulks.

which got nerfed

now what

just because it's not a tank ship shouldn't mean it can't fit a tank.

Well, as long as you get the balance right i dont think anybody can seriously complain...

As it stands, we have cause for concern.

Just one example - Why should an Exhumer get a greater shield resists per level bonus than a HIC?

edit - its as if the stats have been dreamed up by a DEV thats been suicide ganked on his alt account one too many times

All Exhumers have T1 resists on SiSi.

5% and base resists are T1.

So that's nowhere near T2 ships.

You don't know what T1 resists are?

Hulk shields:
0/50/40/20

Hulk armor:
60/10/25/35

Shield resists are same for all exhumers and mining barges.

Why do gankers have LOLhisecgankalts?

And isn't this the epitome of carebearing? "I want to do all sorts of stuff but not suffer any of the consequences, in the Game Of Consequences".

What consequence do you endure by pod warping from station to Orca, reshipping, going in blowing and insta warping to safe again?

If they are in a ship. Shooting the pod isn't allowed.

it's not like real combat where you know stuff happens soon.

I am not going to sit in a belt for 8 hours awaiting for the next Buddha to come.
What for anyway? To kill a 2M ship that was mean to explode anyway and (since I don't use cheesy alts to circumvent consequences) get kill rights on me?