a ship destroying another ship who's modules are worth more than the ganker's ship in a matter of seconds is perfectly balanced?

Why is it okay for gankers to tell miners that we should bring 'moar tank,' but when miners tell gankers to bring 'moar dps' they're somehow out of line?

Do you want to test your theory?

Sweet, nor did gankers to fit dessy.

So you can't be bothered to bring more dps to the fight? I fail to see the issue.

hint: primarily in hi-sec, where it should be hard to gank miners

I don't think his comments were off mark in any way *IF* we consider context.

You are trying very hard to make this a bigger issue than it really is.

Wasnt that same as when CCP gave gankers tier3 on silver plate?

In both cases, more effort is required than ganking a Hulk with a catalyst on a disposable alt.

Edit: Max AFK'ness is moon mining.

Lots. 2 nados take down a max tank hulk kiddo.

Also notice how max tank hulks need max tanking skills?

My reasoning is this:
1. so much whining about getting ganked by CONCORD and not making a profit
2. so much whining about miners having too much tank

Solution:
Don't gank in hi-sec for profit.

Is there a problem?

Outside hi sec is where Though Guys PvP is at.

Except in 0.0 there are MORE targets.

So risk free, high profit is best for the game?

If you need more deeps you dont have implants or aren't scanning their fit first and picking the ammo needed or are using meta 0 guns.

Ganking as a whole is broken and a mindless mongoloid idiot activity.

On the other hand, for the minors that due get ganked, the lack of ehp on these ships is a huge issue.

I am just guessing here, but I am willing to bet they chose this route to avoid "Creative" use of said Exhumers. Giving them more slots to fit a tank or more yield may have other implications (using one for tackle?). Just a guess, nothing more.

Yet we are presented with those LOL YOU MUST HAVE 32 K EHP OR YOU PLAY WRONG LOL fittings and they use a MAPC.

Then the answer is the same your ilk has always given to everybody else: adapt or quit.

Exhumers? Need a MAPC just to not suck complete balls.

What I find tasty is the hypocrisy exposed

Nothing show your claiming is true, what is true on the other hand is that now you will be able to mine in low/null and have enough tank so your friends come help you, this is good for the game.

Now you need REAL organisations and EFFORT to achieve the same ganking, leading to more ships destroyed witch is also good for the game.

... which is a wrong adding to a wrong. Does not make it a right.

Well when you tell gankers to adapt or quit, it's because there are ways of adapting.

Had it been incorrect they'd not change the mining ships.

No, because the DCU does not enable fitting shield mods to get to those conservative 30k EHP.

Then harden up and adapt.

What about considering these mining barges changes as the beginning of industry changes, just a step. New changes will hit over time like ring mining so yes these ships will be used lore in those regions.

Yep was about high sec just forgot to mention it, sry. And yes it's already the case for some gank activities, not in what concerns mining barges

Bot argument

Your opinion. Not absolute.

You know that same Dev was an EvE player (a Goon none the less).

Care to share a DCUII fitting that lets a Mack survive 2-3 catalysts?

No I don't agree.

I can fit 2-3 BCUs in my caldari ships *without losing a single inch of tank*

why is the OP still allowed to post his junk

CCP he is not the majority of your subscribers far from

Agreed... but all I can say is: HS always was more or less save... for years. That changed only after Burn Jita and Hulkageddon.

Ah well, "it's a PvP-centric game* is a nice excuse for everything I guess...

Life is PvP-centric.

I don't wanna get all sociological now, so let's say... everything one does on the internet reflects back on the persons personality.

Notice any similarity to the current state of EVE?

As I said... I don't wanna go into a sociological discussion.

They already had that choice. It was all in the Hulk's fittings. Now CCP's giving them the fittings for free, along with a Cargo Hulk equivalent that can tank enough to be unprofitable to gank.

Does loot from ore holds not drop? Sorry I have never heard that before.

Capturing a Chess Piece: In Game Action -> Causes In Game Harm to other Player... in a predifined invironment, where both parties are aware of all the rules AND, more importantly, have the same mindset towards the game.

Suicide Ganking a Hulk: In Game Action -> Causes In Game Harm to other Player... without all the above... atleast as far as the ganker knows or cares.

And that it the big misconception all gankers have... as an example: I was gone from the game for quite some time (years) and didn't hear much about Burn Jita, Hulkageddon, Goonswarm, etc. Back then, when I played regulary, mining highsec (my choosen profession) was relatively save... aside from the odd rats and stuff.

You can imagine my surpize when I resubbed and found that no longer true.

See, the game hasn't changed, much (the change is only coming now, gradually) the players have... and I am allowed to have a problem with that... no?

I'm not talking about ganking, I'm talking about suicide ganking people in highsec... I mean, seriously, the fact that it's SUIDICE is a dead give away that it's not intended to be used on a regular basis, let alone as a means to make profit!

It still doesn't mean CCP even predicted it would happen like it did.

Yet if you read the CSM minuits iirc CCP soundswave said ganking was never intended to be profitable....

Ok, I give up... EVE's PvP combat is SUPPOSED to be one sided and cheap... got it.

Not sayin'... just sayin'...