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Grozen
Caldari
Titan Core
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Posted - 2010.08.20 17:59:00 -
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Just wondering because i see lot of wh corps have them as requirement.
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Daergaar
Caldari
Yama Seki
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Posted - 2010.08.20 20:20:00 -
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Edited by: Daergaar on 20/08/2010 20:23:17
Edited by: Daergaar on 20/08/2010 20:23:01
 Originally by: Grozen
Just wondering because i see lot of wh corps have them as requirement.
The requirement is likely to prevent newer players from joining their corp.
It generally takes an experienced player to live in W-space. I certainly wouldn't do it myself, although I do go on W-space fleet expeditions with members of my corp.
It really depends what the corp is doing in W-space and what type of spaces they live in. If you live in a Class 5 wormhole, you likely want very experienced players with lots of skills.
EDIT: Furthermore, farming the wormholes requires you have very good fitting skills, and your corp should be able to field a variety of ships. People who can fly T3 ships are likely to be able to fly things like Logistics ships and heavily tanked battlecruisers and battleships. You need a lot of fleet cohesion to be able to defeat some of the harder sites. (ie: Class 4 and up. Class 3 is sometimes soloable but you still should have 2 pilots.)
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Daneel Trevize
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2010.08.20 20:57:00 -
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Actually it could be the opposite. By training a cruiser V and 5 rank1 skills you get a pilot that can be a mini logistics, cov ops, recon and buffer gank ship all in one. Sure master of none but jack of all trades is better than 1 if they want to get the most out of the random opportunies w-space offers. Just takes some isk to have a few hulls+SS sets ready to go. |
Timm Tachyon
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Posted - 2010.08.20 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: Daneel Trevize
Actually it could be the opposite. By training a cruiser V and 5 rank1 skills you get a pilot that can be a mini logistics, cov ops, recon and buffer gank ship all in one. Sure master of none but jack of all trades is better than 1 if they want to get the most out of the random opportunies w-space offers. Just takes some isk to have a few hulls+SS sets ready to go.
No, that is very unlikely. To actually get a good use of your T3 Ship in whatever role you still need very good fitting and weapon skills. Not to mention navigation and all the other support skills.
The skills for flying a T3 well or any T2 ship really only differ on the T3 skill itself and the relevant T2 ship skill.
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Daneel Trevize
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2010.08.20 22:08:00 -
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Edited by: Daneel Trevize on 20/08/2010 22:12:00
I got into wormholes when I could fly a legion around xmas, T2 guns and a 3% PG implant are easy enough to come by.
It's taken months since then to then get to be a better recon&covops&logistics&hac&commandship pilot (for 2 races mind) than I could already be once I could benefit from those many different SS bonus combos.
And as for farming noms, yep t2 tanked t3 is easily able to tank and gank sleepers solo for good isk/hour (including all c3 anoms), and surely comparable training to say a HAC, and no need to depend on mates being on in RR BS/whatever.
Edit: Also, t3s & mass limits, at least for static c3s and below: sub-BS hulls ftw. |
AfroHorse
AQUILA INC
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Posted - 2010.08.20 22:57:00 -
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We have been in wormholes for about a year now and since around christmas have been pushing everyone to get t3s as they are the best for farming all of the sites due to a combination of mass/dps/tank. We can solo up to c5s in our tengus (most of us stop at c4s but we have one guy with the fit/skills to solo the 5s). The only time t3s aren't used either in RR or local tank mode is when we are putting a triage carrier into the site at which point buffer fit t3s/tier 3 bs are used with a spattering of RR t3s for that bit extra RR.
However on a side note we do allow people in well tanked bcs/bs to join us until they are flying t3s as you need to start somewhere and raising the cash for t3s can take quite a lot of time outside of wormholes (minimum cost for our tengus is 1bil scaling up to about 2.5bil for the c4 solo and i think 3+bil for c5 soloing).
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kickButtx
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Posted - 2010.08.22 09:45:00 -
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The beauty about the t3 is it can tank beautifully whilst still putting down huge DPS. This lets you do most sites/levels with relative ease. So Yes IMO T3 are the best for wormhole sites. Nice quick efficient
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Stovo kor
Firebird Squadron
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Posted - 2010.08.22 10:42:00 -
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T3 decision for FBS early on was due a combination of scale, mass and performance criteria. If I remember right it was a hard sell internally and also to prospective applicants. Very few people trained T3 as their main platform at that time. These days T3 involves alot less explaining
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Guillieme Lohran
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Posted - 2010.08.22 11:46:00 -
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Another big plus for T3s is that they are one of the few ships that can handle themselves well in PvP while fit to run sites. A well fit, omnitanking T3 can hold it's own quite well against the random hostiles you often meet in wormholes and it will often be able to get away from groups it can't handle.
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Daneel Trevize
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2010.08.22 11:52:00 -
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Edited by: Daneel Trevize on 22/08/2010 11:53:58
No, just no. Unless it's someone solo who doesn't risk/get a chance to reship&fit, you'll just die to any non-stupid gang that gets a point on you. Neuts ftw. Capbooster + AB is your only getout option imho, if you're lucky.
Edit: unless you're actively hunting in the PvE fit, and so have some control over range or a wh to jump & break a lock on. |
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Guillieme Lohran
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Posted - 2010.08.22 12:07:00 -
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Edited by: Guillieme Lohran on 22/08/2010 12:07:42
Say what you will, my Proteus has made several solo BCs pay and managed to fight a Drake/Myrm/Blackbird to a standstill but couldn't kill them because I had pulled my point to fit a hacker for the radar site I was running. After forcing them to warp off several times I got bored and headed home.
Not saying it is a preferred situation, just that they give you a better chance than a PvE fit Myrm.
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Vilgan Mazran
Aperture Harmonics
K162
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Posted - 2010.08.22 13:28:00 -
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Edited by: Vilgan Mazran on 22/08/2010 13:32:50
I've been living in w-space since january, and t3s are by far my most flown ship. Some of the reasons:
1) High dps, high local tank for soloing c3/c4 (tengu especially). I don't believe in that 2.5B for a c4 nonsense tho, as my solo fit costs under 1B.
2) High dps, high buffer tank, for group sites with either logi or carrier for repping power. Best killing speed is usually a mixture of BS + t3, as the t3 have the tracking to hit cruisers/frigs and BS usually put out a bit more dps.
3) Best salvager outside of rorqual, and definitely the best salvager for systems not your home.
4) awesome scan ship, that can scan AND tackle. No more seeing a target then needing to reship or get mates to kill it. My t3 cloaky proteus for example gets a bigger bonus to scanning than my cov ops, deals out ~465 dps (before implants), scrams/webs, and has a 130k buffer (also extra ecm drones if I need to disengage).
5) Awesome pvp ship. Better resists and more mobile than a BS, better tracking, and another great bonus (depending on race) besides. I have 95 kills in my proteus and 61 in my legion in the past 2-3 months, and really love both ships. That doesn't sound like a lot to those who kill BC all day, but last 10 legion kills are: drake, drake, tengu, tengu, orca, harb, legion, loki, abso, proteus. (note: I'm not anything special, that's just how pvp in wormholes goes down a lot of the time).
Its also a lot more common in w-space as the isk is so good that the mentality is very different imo. It becomes less about "how do I get to pvp without going broke" to "how do I make myself the most effective member of the team" and t3s rapidly stand out as a great pvp ship.
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Daneel Trevize
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2010.08.22 13:35:00 -
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Edited by: Daneel Trevize on 22/08/2010 13:35:19
Very nice Guillieme, I covered myself with the solo caveat, but did you just get lucky vs a blackbird or do you think eccm is a top place GTFO mid mod to fit, with your experience?
I'll happily go through recons like water, but T3s aren't quite so personally indispensible when we're preferring to patiently hunt rather than nom the **** out of sleepers. But yes once you've got the w-space income, the cost isn't a big barrier to their use either. |
Guillieme Lohran
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Posted - 2010.08.22 16:15:00 -
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I've been using the Dissolution Sequencer subsystem and have been jammed maybe twice and then for only a cycle. I've been pretty lucky I admit, but I've always been able to dissengage when I choose.
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